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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Sincraft on January 31, 2007, 12:19:53 AM
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Ok, sorry if this has already been posted by losers like me that finally stumbled into this place, but WOW why have I not heard of this game earlier?
I have been looking for a good flight combat sim FOREVER. I tried lock down or whatever it was, and IL2 and thought they all stunk. Played them for a few days.
I was an old Aces High player way back and loved it. Then ww2online came out, played that off and on for a few years then just kinda fell into a pit of doom as I could never find the games I needed to suffice my gaming addiction. I can't tell you how many MMORPG's, Sims etc I have played and very rarely are any of them worth mentioning. The gaming industry sure did hit the crapper imo in the past years. Of course, I have been predicting this for some time as more 'rushed' releases or pushed out by publishing companies, but I digrese. :)
Anyway, just wanted to say HI, and wondered if there is anywhere I should start first? Just fell into this tonight, and it's late - I'll have to research this tomorrow and check it out. Hopefully it was as fun to play as the first version eh? That game lasted forever. Long after 2nd and 3rd gem online games where out. I was very surprised to see the AMAZING amount of posts in these forums. They beat some REALLY mainstream games. Heck it even comes close to many WoW forums in post #'s.
Any other Combat sims I am missing out on out there? Especially jet :)
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This is a great game. Its all ya need.
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hehe that's great to hear. I'm a complete newb to it. That's INSANE considering I am ALWAYS on the prowl for good new games. Used to be I had more than I could ever play. As I am much older now, with 'responsibilities - yuck', it's harder and harder. Sad as it seems there are SO many fluff or bust releases out there.
Big fan of MMORPG's like WoW or a lesser known Asheron's Call. But a friend and I were always into flight sims, especially combat sims since the c64 days! We played Aces High for a bit then migrated to ww2 then of course the MMORPG's sucked us in. Since then, it's been a rather long battle to find the 'fix' for the flight sims/combat sims needed. Especially ones you could play online with a BIT of realism with it.
I'm excited to try this tomorrow evening. :) Just noticed the online fee. OuCH! Oh well, I'm not currently subscribed to anything atm so ...might as well :)
I'm really glad they offer a trial. I'm always amazed that companies do that. I wonder if it really brings in more players or if they 'get their fill' within those 14 days.
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Originally posted by Sincraft
I wonder if it really brings in more players or if they 'get their fill' within those 14 days.
14 days is enough time to get addicted to the game, then you'll have to subscribe. ;)
But yes, it is a great game, welcome!
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Originally posted by Sincraft
Anyway, just wanted to say HI, and wondered if there is anywhere I should start first?
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=10
especially:
http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&postid=2313397#post2313397
http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/
http://www.netaces.org/
lastly, but NOT least the main page under "support / help" is a wealth of knowledge
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Don't be put off by the sub cost.
Lets see the dollar is real weak at the moment so It is about 8 Pounds sterling a month which is peanuts.
At least once a month I have a dogfight that is 1 vs 1 that may last for more than a couple of minutes. If you come across someone with equal skill and it becomes an all out turn fight and it has you on the edge of your seat. For those brief seconds of thinking watermelon you may lose then turning the tables and winning is worth putting up with all the smack talkers and griefers. This keeps me addicted and paying.
People have been playing this game for several years and it has a steep learning curve. You cant cheat and if flying simulation is what your after look no further.
Bruv
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Hey Sincraft!
Welcome back I guess :).
Mustaine already posted the essential links.
If you need any form of help with getting set up, dont hesitate to ask in Help&Training Forum or contact the Trainer Corps (link in my sig).
Let us know your gameID once you subscribed. Will be looking for you then :).
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Wow. Thanks gents!!!
I like harder sims. SIMS is the keyword here. Not arcade game. Sim being used too much in the gaming world.
This should be great.
I loaded it up real quick before sleep yesterday. Graf(x) were...eeeeeeeeeeeh, but, I don't care about that once I am up in the sky. :)
The big question I have is, does ANYONE here know of or personally play head to head (ip to ip) with someone on a modem? My brother is still in the dark ages, their modem will not go higher than 28.8 and his wife refuses to let them get broadband as it is a 'waste of money'.
He would go nuts if he could play this...
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Welcome.
There is a forum called Free Multiplayer that has all the guys doing their own 8 player head to head games. Scroll on down a bit on the main forum.
Graphics improve greatly if you have a good system. You can download the high res packs and play with the land, water details. I run all my settings pretty high, and although I don't have the Polaroid Picture of perhaps a MS Flight Sim 2004, I can fly with more than 4 people around without lagging to death :)
Where'd you hear about AH2?
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Originally posted by Sincraft
Ok, sorry if this has already been posted by losers like me that finally stumbled into this place, but WOW why have I not heard of this game earlier?
Please seek medical help now! AH is very addictive!!!!!!!! I tried to kick the habit several time but it pull me back in.
Sorry I need to get back to my knitting.....
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Originally posted by Bruv119
Don't be put off by the sub cost.
Lets see the dollar is real weak at the moment so It is about 8 Pounds sterling a month which is peanuts.
At least once a month I have a dogfight that is 1 vs 1 that may last for more than a couple of minutes. If you come across someone with equal skill and it becomes an all out turn fight and it has you on the edge of your seat. For those brief seconds of thinking watermelon you may lose then turning the tables and winning is worth putting up with all the smack talkers and griefers. This keeps me addicted and paying.
People have been playing this game for several years and it has a steep learning curve. You cant cheat and if flying simulation is what your after look no further.
Bruv
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<< also enjoying our econimies lead over dollar, AH is like 1/2 price atm :D
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Originally posted by Sincraft
I like harder sims. SIMS is the keyword here. Not arcade game. Sim being used too much in the gaming world.
That is refreshing to hear.
sir, welcome aboard.
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Welcome to Aces High. :)
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Welcome to our world Sincraft.
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Welcome to aces high:aok
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Originally posted by Sincraft
The big question I have is, does ANYONE here know of or personally play head to head (ip to ip) with someone on a modem? My brother is still in the dark ages, their modem will not go higher than 28.8 and his wife refuses to let them get broadband as it is a 'waste of money'.
He would go nuts if he could play this...
there are people who play in the main arena on dial-up it shouldnt really matter... it is not the speed of the connection that it most important, it is the stability, or packet loss that is important here.
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Originally posted by Laurie
<< also enjoying our econimies lead over dollar, AH is like 1/2 price atm :D
Hehe the dollar is cheap here too atm. That can change ofcourse and it does not matter to HTC so its a win-win.
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Most heavily populated game out there, and the Big Kahuna still comes in and says Hi to the new guys.
:aok
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Played AH2, WOW and Warbirds on dial up for years and they all run fine, your friend should be able to play this game on a 28.8 connection. Now the only question is do u really want to be the one responsible for your friends new found addiction?
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hahaha good stuff.
Yes, the more I read the more I realize this may be an addictive game. :) GREAT. Amazing to see how many rather happy people in this game. Even the best games have nothing but >THIS SUCKS< in the forums, and the sad part is - they are usually right!
Yes, I want to get someone I know in this game even though he is on 28.8, as he is a 'real' pilot and I figure he will know how to fly a bit. He used to trounce me in other games so he should do well here.
Hopefully it will be a normal event for us to hook up on here and play together as it's been along time since games were playable on modem via multiplayer on the net.
*** *** *** BIG PROBLEM HOWEVER!!!! *** *** ***
I forgot, I gave my MS joystick to my father :(
Suggestions? I have $10 worth of best buy bucks burning a whole in my pocket that would otherwise go wasted.
Thanks and THANKS to everyone that welcomed me to the game! See you soon!
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Saitex X-52 is the best stick I have ever owned. It isnt that expensive, I got mine on sale for $90 at Best Buy
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well I was just in game and had issues with the mouse, then finally got it working. Then, tried to launch but it complained that I couldn't launch that plane from that field...whatever, I tried another field...same...tried another plane..was in :) (why would they let you select the plane from the list if you can't fly it?)
Guess I have more reading to do lol?
Then, I flew to an area that was flashing red, I figured that was a bad (or good) thing so, then I saw a ship. Flew in closer and saw more ships. Then when I was almost on top of them, more ships emerged. Seems like the drawing is a bit off, wonder if I can adjust that or is that 'historically correct' for someone with vision from that estimated distance?
Anyway, I figured I'd do a fly by to check them out, then I saw puffs of black smoke, then as I was almost on top of them I saw a million little red tracers. I straffed the sub and aircraft carrier then - I learned how to fly/hover/die with no wings :(
end of log entry for jan 31 lol.
Anyway - yea Im thinking of getting the saitex ps33 from best buy for like 40 bucks plus I have 10 off. I dont want to buy anything expensive. If I really get into it, I'll hand my joystick over or ebay it, then buy the better one.
I have a garage full of tools. Some are entry level, some mid level. I found that for how much I use them, even as a part time money makers - I use the entry level ones the most and wished I had the higher level ones but will do FINE with the entry ones as the differences say, for a cheap mitre saw goes from $89 > the much better ones which are like $500. I can flip my trim pieces or lay flat my crown molding and adjust the angles/bevels for the extra $400 it would cost me.
ANYWAY - just my little 'thought process' going out here..
AND - I already a subscribed member. WHY? Even without playing? Mostly because of all the great reviews I am getting and friendly help via the forums. Even if I think it SUCKS after a month, I can cancel but at least donated my money for the continuance of good gaming. :)
As an IT person, self employed. I really enjoy positive feedback...rarely hear complaints which is nice but really enjoy the positive I get to know that I am on track.
Consider my first month me saying 'You're on track ...makers of Aces High 2!' hehe
thanks again guys...picking up my joystick tomorrow after I hit a client site near a best buy. :)
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Welcome aboard:aok
I,..........myself can quit aaaaaaannnnnnyyyyytime, No, really I can;)
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Glad you came aboard sir. Watch out for those rooks guys though. There's
something wrong with them :noid
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Welcome: This game is like crack its true I am hocked help me:D
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Originally posted by Sincraft
well I was just in game and had issues with the mouse, then finally got it working. Then, tried to launch but it complained that I couldn't launch that plane from that field...whatever, I tried another field...same...tried another plane..was in :) (why would they let you select the plane from the list if you can't fly it?)
Mouse setup (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/mouse/mouse.htm) or as PDF (http://www.slowcat.de/slowcats1/AHTC/Mouse_Setup.pdf).
As for planes not being available - where did you fly? OFFLINE arena or online? Note that there are different types of fiels. Airfields (A), Vehicle bases (V), Ports (P) with asociated task groups (C). You can get the field names by right clicking the map for options. INS and DEL zoom the map on the clipboard. Not all planes are available at all fields.
When you go to HANGAR on the clipboard, planes that are greyed out on the list are no available at the field you are currently at. Right clicking the list gives you options again, check "Enabled Only" when you do not want the greyed out planes to show.
Guess I have more reading to do lol?
Im 'fraid so, Sir. :) But dont worry... weve all been there and worn that shoe. The first few days can be very overwhelming, simply for the sheer amount of info to take in. But i give you no more then two weeks and youll find your way around allright. Youll never be done learning though.
This Quick Reference (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/quickref/quickref.pdf) printout cheat can be very helpful to have at first. It contains the default key commands and the most common dot radio commands.
Learn how to use the chat/radio (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/radio/radio.htm) in game... that way you can always ask if you run into trouble.
Then, I flew to an area that was flashing red, I figured that was a bad (or good) thing so, then I saw a ship. Flew in closer and saw more ships. Then when I was almost on top of them, more ships emerged. Seems like the drawing is a bit off, wonder if I can adjust that or is that 'historically correct' for someone with vision from that estimated distance?
Any item on the map thats flashing red is being attacked by an enemy craft that came into radar warning range (12 miles, the white radar circle on the map).
What you saw was a task group. A Carrier, a destroyer and a handful of support ships. They are like "mobile airfields" and can be directed to attack bases etc. How early (ie distance) you see them largely depends on your graphics detail settings (details and range). You can also change the vision range during play - SHIFT_F1 (full) through SHIFT_F3 (short) and SHIFT_F4 (Ground Vision range) for short range but high detail.
Anyway, I figured I'd do a fly by to check them out, then I saw puffs of black smoke, then as I was almost on top of them I saw a million little red tracers. I straffed the sub and aircraft carrier then - I learned how to fly/hover/die with no wings :(
The puffs of black smoke is the 88mm puffy ack... explosives with a proximity fuse, shot by automated ack guns. The same goes for the red tracers... thats also automated guns (lower caliber). Some of the ack guns can also be manned... they are listed as "Gun ship or field" in the HANGAR list.
end of log entry for jan 31 lol.
Sounds like you had fun to me :)
Anyway - yea Im thinking of getting the saitex ps33 from best buy for like 40 bucks plus I have 10 off. I dont want to buy anything expensive. If I really get into it, I'll hand my joystick over or ebay it, then buy the better one.
I have a garage full of tools. Some are entry level, some mid level. I found that for how much I use them, even as a part time money makers - I use the entry level ones the most and wished I had the higher level ones but will do FINE with the entry ones as the differences say, for a cheap mitre saw goes from $89 > the much better ones which are like $500. I can flip my trim pieces or lay flat my crown molding and adjust the angles/bevels for the extra $400 it would cost me.
ANYWAY - just my little 'thought process' going out here..
AND - I already a subscribed member. WHY? Even without playing? Mostly because of all the great reviews I am getting and friendly help via the forums. Even if I think it SUCKS after a month, I can cancel but at least donated my money for the continuance of good gaming. :)
As an IT person, self employed. I really enjoy positive feedback...rarely hear complaints which is nice but really enjoy the positive I get to know that I am on track.
Consider my first month me saying 'You're on track ...makers of Aces High 2!' hehe
thanks again guys...picking up my joystick tomorrow after I hit a client site near a best buy. :)
I will be online in the Training Arena on Saturday afternoon/evening if you have any questions about setup, gameplay, flying and fighting tactics - youre very welcome to look me up there. When you go online, just choose "Training Arena" on the arena selection screen. Make yourself known on chat.
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Sin The game is way more than just flying.
To be able to understand the gameplay fully and find where the best fights are and the ability to read the map are skills that will take many months to pick up.
If the planes in the hangar appear red it means the enemy have blown up that particular fields fighter hangars. They stay down for 15minutes each and there are varying amounts of these hangars depending on the size of the field.
Goto the training arena and find someone like schatzi who can answer many of your questions on the game.
Otherwise your enjoyment maybe limited. If you get vulched and killed everywhere you go the enjoyment may dwindle.
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Wish this game wasnt as addictive as it is, but it is true there are alot more aspects to this then flying. At least for me there are. To me the overall complexity feeds my need, and I love stratagy. I cant fly that great, but Im definitly getting better, and I started about 8 months ago. The biggest turn on for me is base capturing. And co-ordinated strikes time perfectly. As a matter of fact one of the best raids was yesterday by the rooks, on A44 in Orange with lancs and 110's, Nicely timed execution, and brillantly done. Ofcourse I was on the recieving end of it, but i was sweet. KUDO's to planners for that one. Anyway theres enough here to keep you learning, and I would recommend you try out all the aspects of the game, including the firing of ship weapons, and shore batteries. Then hone in on what appeals to ya. I fell in love with the B-26. Really dig the Mossy also. Theres also other aspects too, like the dreaded resupplying runs, that few take, but must be done. Also check out the different squads around. I would recommend not to jump into one for at least a month, or more untill you figure what appeals to ya, but If you ever need some help bombing, Im on Vox 144 on the knights. Anyone one of the squaddies can show u the ropes if im not aorund. Which is very rare ( I have no life).
Cheers M8,
C U all my sights sometime
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Right there with you Sincraft. I've been a cronic gamer for 15 years . When I've gotten to the point where swords and rifles don't do it for me anymore, flight sims have all the necessary ingredients for that constant adrenalin rush.
I too recently rediscovered Aces High from the TV ads. Best content of any combat flight sim I've played and the most populated online. Having an active forum like this is just another plus.
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Whew. What a rush :) Even for these graphics I was pretty happy hehe.
I picked up my joystick after a long day of work, then came home - dropped my stuff near the door and unpacked the joystick. It is the ps33 from saitek. Kinda- hard on my hands as I dont know why but these joysticks have sticks sitting 40 feet off of their base. It also came with flight sim x demo :) !
Ok so I figure I'll plug it in and see what windoze says. Finds it, completely and ready to go. Ok so I figure I will go test it in game.
I get in and just hit NW for that end of the field and was taking off on the LATE GAME BLUE SERVER (whatever that means), flying a p51.
So I follow the map a few 'towns' down where I see lotsa little green and red dots, and something else going on .
Finally I get there and THERE IS ACTION. I see 5 , no wait, 10 no wait...ok about 10 planes in the air in different locations but generally around that area.
As of course , being the chicken I was the highest up - I just sat there picking up on RED guys and tried my hand at dropping in on them. I missed my first one completely. Climbed with a full spin to clear my tail then a gentle turn to follow his progress. I then dropped on him again and started shooting then a guy named Merlin came in and got him, although I know I got hits on him...at least I think I did.
Then, I fly away toward the land a bit where there was more action - I guess the rooks (which I was) were vulching an airfield. So, I flew around a bit more and saw two planes following a guy that was saying on the radio about getting these two off of him. I dropped in, cut back the throttle and sprayed the first one. I SAW EXPLOSIONS and all sorts of stuff, but no BIGGIE explosions or anything that would down the plane...I guess...I looked back and didnt see him so I put my nose down again and followed the second plane chasing this guy. I sprayed him up and down, near the wing roots and on his canopy. I finally was going to blow past him and pushed down shooting at him then saw a boom and then BAM I heard something hit my plane???
I then noticed my plane was very hard to steer, I checked my right wing and I was missing the whole damn thing up to the flaps!??
Somehow, I managed to get her home, land safely AND order pizza while steering with my chin while dialing.
I'm going to have to read more about this game and learn how to use all the commands and voice chat thing. Sounds very cool, some people you can barely hear though.
Anyway - very NICE pre-dinner flight for the logs today. I have to get another kill before nights end :) I think I was just lucky enough to find a decent mix of enemies vs friendlies.
:)
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When you land hits you will see "hit sprites" -- Most will be little yellow-white starbursts. 30mm or 37mm (if you have a plane that carries these weapons) have a huge red-black fireball when they hit. It's lovely, really.
A couple of things:
The message buffer can help you out. If you lost your wing and it say "you have collided with so-and-so" then you got too close and rammed the guy. If you did not get this message than 1 of 2 things happened: 1) somebody was behind you that you didn't see, or 2) you shot some rounds (while spraying) onto the friendly guy.
Aces High has what is called "Killshooter" (KS for short). If you fire at an enemy, he takes damage. If you fire at a friendly, you will take the damage for him. So watch where you shoot!
Depending on the plane you choose to learn in, you will need sustained hits to get a kill (or disable an enemy and get the kill). In a p51, keep firing until something breaks off. You need a good 2-second hit most of the time, depending on the durability of your enemy.
I suggest you try "Offline" practice first to set up joystick mapping and any other settings. The drones offline allow you to practice gunnery (but they won't fall out of the sky when missing wings, they fly on invisible tracks).
Oh, and until you're a little more comfortable, avoid carrier group ack. It's a death trap. Fly around them, or attack the planes taking off, but stay outside of the guns' reach.
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eheh ty for the info gents,
yes I will keep away from carrier groups. Learned that the hard way hehe..
Yea, that kill I had, when I shot him he was still jumping around but after the 2nd spray he just flew straight as to say ok youve got me, a split second later and large chunks of plane were flying in the air, wings ...tails etc etc
Pretty neat.
I'm REALLY impressed with my landing. I was able to land on the runway.
When I was on all flaps it almost killed my plane. Took my CG and threw it WAY off so I could only do half flaps and had to come in hot. BUT I didn't have gears ANYWAY so it really didn't matter lol.
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Glad to see your having fun Sin always remember thats what is important, it's too easy to get serious and start losing in the enjoyment stakes.
My son is a Wow addict and I'm always in here and that means the wife will probably pour coffee into the PC sometime soon.
Look forward to seeing up and Fly Rook we look good in green !!
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Shot down 2 of 3 of a bomber group. Got one so bad the wings ripped off and there was really nothing left.
Anyone know booger8? :)
Ok, so now I'm having issues with my headset. It's a plantronics and sounds like GARBAGE. But, people are saying they can't hear me either :(
might be defective. Might be a conflict with all the audio devices I have. I have onboard 5.1 and then a creative audigy 7.1 card. I disabled the onboard garbage to alleviate some confusion but am jumping back in now as everything tests fine on my end. Might have just been an adjustment issue.
I have so many questions I hope to have answer soon, I read the documentation about this game but didnt get a chance to follow the links people posted other than the basic documentatio nabout maps, planes, flying, mapping etc.
Ok going back in :)
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ok I suck.
Not that bad but still, I suck.
Lost 3 ships in about 1 hour. Sadly 2 of them were from me ditching into the side of a mountain or hill, pushing the envelope a BIT too far. Too bad you can't continue to pull back when you are looking through a straw hehe.
If I slow down too much, I have 10 red baddies on me eheh.
Good times. My headset is still making me frustrated but I got it working. Turned mic volume up on highest for all settings on my comp and in game and then I put the mic inside my mouth practically.
Plantronics garbage :(
ANYWAY. I had a good time but alas my time is short here tonight so I wanted to pop this message out real quick. I have a few questions if someone is willing to go down them quickly otherwise just ignore them as I'm sure as I do more reading I'll have them answered.
-Stats - do you get stats and how? I made 2 or 3 kills and never saw anything other than the system saying YOU SHOT DOWN blah blah. Also do you have to land on the runway to get the stats or near a base or, do you have to return to the base you took off from also?
-Red Dots - I know they mean enemy air or whatever, but many times I am bouncing down on planes that aren't showing on the radar? Are they too low or?
-Weather. Is it always sunny and are there ever any clouds to duck into?
-Red/Green bars. Do they mean base health or supply or something? I read about this but it didn't go into detail about it really.
-RPM - how can I change my rpm, not throttle. Or, should I say, how do I cool my engine other than making sure WEP is off and throttling back to say 50%?
-Prop tilt? Is there such a thing?
Thanks guys! Had a blast tonight. The headset, voice thing REALLY ads to this game. I would bet it is one of the bigger draws to the game as it ads realism and team work to the mix. Very nice. Also is there a way to mute a certain person that may be griefing? I already know there will probably be people that will do this from time to time.
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Originally posted by Sincraft
-Stats - do you get stats and how? I made 2 or 3 kills and never saw anything other than the system saying YOU SHOT DOWN blah blah. Also do you have to land on the runway to get the stats or near a base or, do you have to return to the base you took off from also?
-Red Dots - I know they mean enemy air or whatever, but many times I am bouncing down on planes that aren't showing on the radar? Are they too low or?
-Weather. Is it always sunny and are there ever any clouds to duck into?
-Red/Green bars. Do they mean base health or supply or something? I read about this but it didn't go into detail about it really.
-RPM - how can I change my rpm, not throttle. Or, should I say, how do I cool my engine other than making sure WEP is off and throttling back to say 50%?
-Prop tilt? Is there such a thing?
When you start blacking out it means you're pulling too many Gs. You're going too fast and pulling too hard. Slow down, or don't pull so hard. In some aircraft you can literally rip the wings off by pulling too hard (spitfires come to mind) or you can rip parts off because they're not strong enough (control surfaces on Ki84 and B26 come to mind). You don't always have to be at top speed. Sometimes you can slow down for a fight and still have enough speed to run if it goes bad.
- What you see in-game is just a "name in lights" -- that's only when you land more than 1 kill by ending a sortie while over friendly cement (including rearm pads). Stats are compiled separate from the game. You can go to the main website, and under the "community" menu there is a "scores" link. The first option or the one that says "expanded format" are the only ones you'll really want.
- Red dots indicate an aircraft on radar. If you right click on the clipboard map you can turn "radar" on and off. You will see white circles. If the circle is red it means that radar is destroyed for the time being. Red dots will only appear inside one of your team's radar circles. If they are below 500feet above ground level, they will show up on radar.
- Clouds: There are some roving clouds that move around the map. They obscure vision. Then there are the clouds that are thin and whispy at altitudes like 14k, 16k, and so forth. For the most part it's perpetual June.
- Dar Bars (red/green bars) indicate relative strength of teams. More green means more friendlies are in that sector. More red means more enemies. After about 7-10 it doesn't get any larger (so it could have 7, it could have 50, it's a "full" dar bar, indicating a high enemy strength). This does not count vehicles or aircraft below 500feet. It does count, however, across radar ranges, or even when radar is down.
- RPM can be controlled by the keypad +/- keys (not by your backspace, on the keypad). You don't need to cool your engine. You can run at full throttle (without WEP) as long as you have fuel. The engine management in Aces High is simplified. There's a lot of other realistic elements though. I think they just didn't want you fiddling with your engine when you want to be pulling ACM. You won't blow the engine or anything. When WEP overheats it will turn itself off.
- No prop tilt, as far as I know.
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-Stats - do you get stats and how? I made 2 or 3 kills and never saw anything other than the system saying YOU SHOT DOWN blah blah. Also do you have to land on the runway to get the stats or near a base or, do you have to return to the base you took off from also?
**You can see your overall rank on the clipboard when you check the roster. There is also a Scores Page, look above this forum, under Community, then Scores, pull up your info there.
-Red Dots - I know they mean enemy air or whatever, but many times I am bouncing down on planes that aren't showing on the radar? Are they too low or?
**Red Dots are the Radar Dots near you. If they are Low, or the base Radar Tower has been taken out where you are flying, you won't see the red dots on the clipboard map. Right click on the map, and select Radar. If the Ring is RED, the Dar is Out, white and it's good.
-Weather. Is it always sunny and are there ever any clouds to duck into?
**Yep, there's weather, it changes :) Sometimes there's clouds.
-Red/Green bars. Do they mean base health or supply or something? I read about this but it didn't go into detail about it really.
**Bars are DarBars. That shows how many people are in that sector. Broader than simply the Dot Radar, which shows Exactly where they are.
-RPM - how can I change my rpm, not throttle. Or, should I say, how do I cool my engine other than making sure WEP is off and throttling back to say 50%?
**In control setup, look for Keyboard and Joystick Mapping, and see where RPM is mapped. It's been so long since I used the default setting, I don't know where it is, but you can place Any Setting Anywhere you want.
-Prop tilt? Is there such a thing?
**Just when I land, I'm awfully good at tilting those buggers.
EDIT hehe Krusty beat me to it.
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ahhhhhh, very interesting. :)
THANKS GUYS! Very helpful, very helpful I must say.
Great community. :)
I do miss flying in clouds however. That was always a big advantage to a person like me that is not a good turn fighter. Given the right plane, I think there is nothing better than chasing a guy around in a turnfight during a furball and finally landing a score on em. But, I prefer to sit high in the skies in cover until I see something I like, pour in and bash then zip out (Boom and Zoom).
I see this game also had anti aircraft guns, tanks etc etc? I'm gonna have to try those out also.
Nice to see there is an objective to the game. Makes destroying your enemy kinda mean something eh?
Anyone have any suggestions on what planes I should be using? I am using a p-51d atm and was just wondering if there are others out there? My p-51 seems to have a pretty low tolerance for speed as I get control lock pretty quick. Or so it at least seems.
OH and what are missles for? I was looking at what it takes to destroy certain objectives. What do missles count as a 5# bomb or, just for air to air..or can you kill radar with it but it's not in the list of what kills it or? Just a bit confused about that. I saw missles and thought Ooooooo, that should be fun! :)
EDIT: Says I have 5 kills in the stats page? Are these accurate?
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Originally posted by Sincraft
ahhhhhh, very interesting. :)
THANKS GUYS! Very helpful, very helpful I must say.
Great community. :)
I do miss flying in clouds however. That was always a big advantage to a person like me that is not a good turn fighter. Given the right plane, I think there is nothing better than chasing a guy around in a turnfight during a furball and finally landing a score on em. But, I prefer to sit high in the skies in cover until I see something I like, pour in and bash then zip out (Boom and Zoom).
I see this game also had anti aircraft guns, tanks etc etc? I'm gonna have to try those out also.
Make sure your mode2 (vehicles and boats) is mapped in JS setup.
Nice to see there is an objective to the game. Makes destroying your enemy kinda mean something eh?
Anyone have any suggestions on what planes I should be using? I am using a p-51d atm and was just wondering if there are others out there? My p-51 seems to have a pretty low tolerance for speed as I get control lock pretty quick. Or so it at least seems.
The P51 actually has a very high speed tolerance compared to some other fighters like the Ki84 or 109s. But how a plane handles also depends on the loadout... ie a heavy plane with bomb, rockets and extra fuel will feel a lot different then the same one with 25% fuel and no externals.
As for "beginner" planes... I usually recommend the Spitfire MkVIII or MkIX or the F6F (needs flap work for turning!). While they are not the best performers, they are very good overall and have a rather forgiving handling, ie the odd mistake will not mean certain demise. But that doesnt mean that other planes are "unflyable" or too difficult. Whats more important is: pick a plane you like and stick with it. Learn it inside out and upside down, its strength its weaknesses, how it performs against the other plane types etc etc.... Check the Trainer Corps Homepage, we have a few links to plane performance pages that will give you an idea on how planes match up.
Oh and one more thing: turn off your stall limiter in OPTIONS > PREFERENCES > Flight. It limits your AoA (angle of attack - angle between wing and flight direction) and thus keeps you from pulling into a stall (=too high AoA). But it also keeps you from using your plane to its best performance. Its like training wheels on a bike - over the years, i found that turning it off sooner rather then later will keep you from having to "learn to fly" all over again in a few months when you DO get rid of it.
OH and what are missles for? I was looking at what it takes to destroy certain objectives. What do missles count as a 5# bomb or, just for air to air..or can you kill radar with it but it's not in the list of what kills it or? Just a bit confused about that. I saw missles and thought Ooooooo, that should be fun! :)
The missiles are mainly Air to Ground (I think one or two planes have air to air, but they are NOT guided... hitting a bomber formation is very difficult at best, a fighter downright impossible as long as its maneuvering). They count as normal "ordenance", ie you can attack any ground object or vehicle with them and do damage - how many of them you need depends on your hit accuracy and on the object hardness. The "ballistics" are calculated, ie gravity drop has to be taken into account.
Missiles can be used to deack, vulch, kill ground vehicles, Hangars etc etc...
EDIT: Says I have 5 kills in the stats page? Are these accurate?
I cant tell, since I dont know how many kills you got awarded in game. But id assume they are.
Kills are awarded to the player that did the most damage to the opponent and is still in that same flight when opponent dies. Note that that is not always the player that deals the fatal damage! When you get a kill awarded you get the chat message "SYSTEM: You shot down xxxxx". Another way to get a kill awarded is a "proximity kill" - when an enemy dies (crashes, bails) within a certain range of you, and noone has put a bullet into him. The proxy kills create a kill message, show up in the stats (extended format) but give you no points.
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Please note, they aren't "missiles", but rather "rockets".
Unless these rockets are on a 110G or a 190 or a 109, they're only meant for ground targets. The WGr 21 rockets are time-delayed and are meant for use on bombers. Don't hold your breath if you test them out, as most pilots have been flying for 6+ years and still haven't gotten a hit with them.
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up said plane grab said alt...engage said enemy with alt...miss...run to friends....rinse and repeat
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Hey guys thanks ALOT again for the replies.
Ok, rockets - check.
yea I know about altitude. I don't do well with running to friends as usually I'm too interested in killing EVERYTHING red I can find. I guess I should learn to pick my fights and learn when to run eh? Ok ,...check!
Um. what else. yea, lots to learn. It's now 11:17pm , I just finally finished the #@$%* driveway...so now I'm ready to play. :)
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Sin,
First, welcome to AH!
Second, you have to remember some very important things: Never listen to Jaxxo, and the Blue Knights are all servants of Beelzebub.
Jaxxo was being a tad sarcastic. While many people spend their $15 with that kind of careful, safe flying -- there are also lots who love the adrenaline of an "ears pulled back and hair on fire" fight. If you like going in aggressively, killing as much red as possible before going down, then more power to you!
As you progress, you'll find that the game has layers on layers on layers. When you hit a plateau, and find that you're getting caught the same way over and over, schedule a session with one of our excellent Training Corps. You'll pick up some new stuff, and before long you'll be talking the Air Combat Maneuvering talk and stricnging together some scary 3D maneuvers.
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Heck it even comes close to many WoW forums in post #'s.
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Yea I spent a couple hours in tonight. Was in too deep for my ability and got shot down.
FINALLY figured out that there is a zoom to the scope hehe. Although, I am finding it actually harder to get shots or to zero in on an enemy aircraft that way, I did shoot one down but was shot down twice or more and my engine quit on my for some reason without hits to my ship.
I'm seeing ALOT of warping going on? Is this normal? Being worked on or does it get frustrating getting on someones 6 only to have them zoom 1k away suddenly all the time?
I manned an anti aircraft gun and got a kill :)
Wondering, how far can these things hit from? I was leading REALLY far a group of bombers at 5k and would have sworn I saw chunks o joy flying from their planes. Anyway to find out if I made hits on these things?
Very fun game indeed, yet not too addictive that I am excited to wake up tomorrow and play it, which is a good thing otherwise I'd get nothing done! It's a nice retreat that I believe will be for a long career here.
However, I have to say for the age of the game I was a bit surprised at the subscription fee! YIKES. I MAY have to skip a month or two here and there when I get extra busy and don't intend on flying at least a few times a week online. I know about the 6 month sub paying for 5 but it's still a bit steep I think. But that's just me :) I'm stingy.
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Sounds like you ran out of gas. The fule burn in the Early, Middle and Late arenas is set at 2X normal because the maps and flight distances are lower then real life.
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well crap. I'm sucking now. My beginners luck is OVER.
I chase the multitude of bombers, get behind them and keep getting shot down.
I then try different angles etc, they just pwn me. I don't seem to be getting hits today what so ever. Very odd.
I was DEAD on a guy in a p51 and was spraying forever, from 1k our and up to 400 m out, and didn't land hits until I was dead on. Conv issue?
What is the best distance to land hits that actually do some damage yet is far enough away that you don't have to be RIGHT on their tail?
Also, does it seem harder to land hits in zoom mode?
Also hehe, is the p51 an OK plane to fly and get used to or should I ditch this thing as suggested above and grab those spits?
Maybe I'm just too hungry for bombers but it seems other people are spraying a quick burst and exploding planes while I am barely landing a hit with a constant 3 second squeezes one after another after another.
Suggestions?
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You have to get use to the Gunnery. While in the hangar you can adjust your guns convergence (how far ahead of you the bullets will hit at the same point). I have my convergence set to 650, even though I wait to shoot around 400yds. The closer you are the more likely you are to hit the enemy.
0 - 200: best chance of hitting the enemy
200 - 400: good chance of hitting enemy
400 - 600: depending on your aim, about half your bullets you fire will hit
600 - 800: starting to rely more on luck.
800 - 1000: you're waisting bullets
I fly a P38, which has nose mounted guns. Since I set my convergence to 650, and have nose mounted guns, I can get fairly consistant hits on planes flying level 800yds infront of me.
When I started playing AH, this is the list of planes I flew as my main ride.
P51D (because I heard so much about it and thought it was suppose to be amazing)
109G10 (I played AH1, very similar to 109K4 in AH2)
FM2 (turned well)
Hurricane Mk2 (turned well and has powerful guns)
P40E
P51D
P47D25
P38L since AH1
I always preferred to turnfight, much more of an adrenaline rush than BnZ. These planes are good turning planes and are good to learn the basics with:
FM2, Spit5, Seafire MkII, Spitfire Mk 16, Hurricane MkII, N1K2J, A6M5B
But these planes are deemed "noob" or "dweeb" rides
My mindset was/is you fly one plane until you feel you master it and then move to a more difficult plane. I always wanted to prove I could outfly my opponents. Out turning a spit using a hurricane doesn't really say much because a hurricane will out turn a spit every time. Out turning a spit using a P38L says a lot more because a spit should out turn a P38.
At some point you will find that simply turning sharper than the other plane isn't enough, and you will discover ACM:aok
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hmmm so what do you consider planes that more advanced people fly? For example, what is the uncontested 'best' plane out there or is it just a matter or style? Ok, style aside, you can bnz in ANY plane imo... turn fighting is great but if you get yourself into trouble, you need POWER to get away right!?
I played ww2online and found many planes to be very wobbly while others were very tight in turns. I also found their individual characteristics to be pronounced more so as you used them for what they WERE NOT intended for lol.
In this game so far, everything I have fly felt - almost the same. Like the spit and the p51d and the p38. But, it may just be me as I haven't become accustom to the feel as I am still flying newbie wild.
Does this game go through any extensive research/physics/modeling in regards to 'reality' ? I heard a few things about this game and it's powerful reality when it came to the planes and how they work. With the exception of engine reliability to heat.
Also - do they go through any research and modeling when it comes to rear set armor? Can pilots get hit personally by bullets/flak?
I REALLY hate the p51d's rear vision with that BIG seat. Would be nice for protection from rear bullets if pilot damaged was modeled in this game, however if it isn't then - there must be a better plane to fly.
I noticed many of the bishops I was flying against were flying Germie planes. They didn't seem to fair well with my allies flying against them in a turn fight however I don't know what my buds were flying.
NEXT, I'm gonna play around with ground units. I spawned a few AAA guns on ships and bases, fun. Think I got a kill yesterday on one :)
This game is much like ww2online. Except there are no LAG SPIKES when you JUST get on someones 6 :)
The graphics aren't as good with ground units. In fact, they are shockingly poor but, I SERIOUSLY prefer gameplay and simulation over graphics, anyday.
Not to mention, I can actually play this game on my laptop! Amazing. truly amazing.
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Originally posted by Sincraft
hmmm so what do you consider planes that more advanced people fly? For example, what is the uncontested 'best' plane out there or is it just a matter or style? Ok, style aside, you can bnz in ANY plane imo... turn fighting is great but if you get yourself into trouble, you need POWER to get away right!?
There is no "best" plane... there is just a best plane for the task at hand. For new players, I usually recommend Spitfire MkVIII or MkIX, or if you absolutely do not want to be seen in a Spit, F6F. All three of those are not best at anything, but they have a good overall performance. And they can do both... BnZ attacks, and when you run out of speed, theyll be decent turnfighters too. And they are rather forgiving in handling - the odd mistake will not always get you killed immediatly. And no, you cannot BnZ in "any" plane... try a Hurricane or a a6m and youll know what I mean.
I feel its a common mistake to see the BnZ as the "easier" style. To make good BnZ attacks, you need to have a good grasp of ACM, need to be able to judge E states and relative positions very well. You also need to think a lot further ahead and the gunnery part of the equation is also harder then when saddled up in a TnB fight.
The problem with the "power" to get away from a turnfight easily is that usually that makes the plane heavier and the airframe adjustments to lower drag will generally end you up with a worse turner. Also, the faster youre going, the wider your turns are always going to be. There is one plane that might fit your criteria: the La7. Its a very popular newbie plane, as it is one of the fastest and had big cannons and good ammo. But if you do more then come in head on, guns blazing and extend out of icon range again, it is a rather difficult plane to fly - just because of the horse powers: Lots of throttle management and flaps are needed.
Another thing id like to say (and please dont take that as personal jab, its not meant to be): If you run from a fight every time you get in trouble, youll never learn to do anything else. Yes, you will get shot a lot at first. But only by DOING it can you get better. Im not saying up in the Main Arenas and fly into the thick of things and get killed again and again - that only leads to frustration, not learning. But take risks... who knows, maybe youll come out the winning end?
And dont forget the other Arenas. The Duelling Arena (DA) can be an enviroment where you can learn to "dogfight" one vs one, without having to fear that another jumps in on you. But note that its set up fights there, so please dont jump in on any fight without asking first.
Last but certainly not least there is the Training Arena (TA). IMO the best place to learn the basics (and advanced tactics for that matter) of fights. You can just come in there and ask on chat, theres usually someone there that can help you out. Its been a little hectic the last days, so you might need to have a little patience. Trainers and most other people are generally at A1, Bishop base in the main training zone. Same as the DA, the TA has - this time written - rules of engagement. You can find them on the Arena Message on your clipboard. Through our Trainers Homepage (http://htt://trainers.hitechcreations.com) you can also set up scheduled training sessions with one of the Training Staff.
I played ww2online and found many planes to be very wobbly while others were very tight in turns. I also found their individual characteristics to be pronounced more so as you used them for what they WERE NOT intended for lol.
In this game so far, everything I have fly felt - almost the same. Like the spit and the p51d and the p38. But, it may just be me as I haven't become accustom to the feel as I am still flying newbie wild.
Yes, every plane has its characteristics and sweet spots as well as weak spots. You can get quick rundowns on the planes on Sodas Aircraft page, and detailed numerical performace comparisons on Dok Gonzos page, both are linked on the Trainers Homepage.
Id recommend you pick one plane you like to learn in and stick with it for a while, to get accustomed to its characteristics. Upside down, inside out, its weaknesses and strengths, what it likes to do, what it doesnt. How it stacks up against the rest of the planeset. When saying "turns well", you technically always need to compare it to your opponent. The Spitfire Mk16 for example: against the P51, it is the "angles" fighter, ie the much better turner, but slower. Against a Hurri, the Spit is the "Energy fighter" - turning with the Hurri would get it outmaneuvered and killed. (Always speaking similar pilot skills.... ive "outturned" many a Spit in a P51).
Does this game go through any extensive research/physics/modeling in regards to 'reality' ? I heard a few things about this game and it's powerful reality when it came to the planes and how they work. With the exception of engine reliability to heat.
Yes, very extensive research. HiTech is almost notorious about the planes performances, and always open for discussions if you bring up valid ressources. Check the Aircraft Forum :). Gun recoil is modelled, ie when firing the guns, youll slow down. That should tell you all :). The engine heat is not modelled for playability reasons. If you go too realistic, plane becomes too hard to learn and the "fun factor" will get lost. Its an everlasting heated discussion between the "gamers" and the "simmers" though.
Also - do they go through any research and modeling when it comes to rear set armor? Can pilots get hit personally by bullets/flak?
Yes, plane armor is modelled, not only for the pilot BTW. Some planes get damage easier, some are more durable. And the pilot can be wounded. Youll have blood splattered on the cockpit and loose conciousness every now and then. Eventually, when you run out of blood, pilot dies and plane blows up. You can also get a "pilot kill" when shot in the cockpit. Plne blows up instantly on that.
I REALLY hate the p51d's rear vision with that BIG seat. Would be nice for protection from rear bullets if pilot damaged was modeled in this game, however if it isn't then - there must be a better plane to fly.
Do you have your head positions set yet? The P51 has one of the best rear views in game with set views. Setting up your internal view head positions (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/views/views.htm).
I noticed many of the bishops I was flying against were flying Germie planes. They didn't seem to fair well with my allies flying against them in a turn fight however I don't know what my buds were flying.
The German planes, especially the later war models 109 and the 190s arent amongst the best turner. Even though some pilots will speak up now that do unbelievable things with a K4 or a G14, but that are people that know the plane inside out and have exceptional piloting skills in it.
You can always check what your teammates fly by toggling the icon to "plane type" with ALT_I. To change back to normal icon mode, hit ALT_I again - check the text buffer though, so you dont end up in "friendly only" or "icons off".
NEXT, I'm gonna play around with ground units. I spawned a few AAA guns on ships and bases, fun. Think I got a kill yesterday on one :)
This game is much like ww2online. Except there are no LAG SPIKES when you JUST get on someones 6 :)
Thats a VERY dangerous statement to make in here ;). This game revolves around the air combat. The ground part is only an addition, and youll soon find that its full of bugs and loopholes, since teh terrain and everything was created to be seen from above. Nevertheless, theres a very live "mud wrestler" part of this community - GVs can be a fun diversion any time.
That aside, do you still have warping issues? If yes, check out the stickies in Tech Support forum. You can also post there and holler for help any time... lotsa knowledgable people there.
The graphics aren't as good with ground units. In fact, they are shockingly poor but, I SERIOUSLY prefer gameplay and simulation over graphics, anyday.
Not to mention, I can actually play this game on my laptop! Amazing. truly amazing.
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Another note:
Make sure you check your flight preferences... DISABLE stall limiter. It may make flying a bit harder at first, but the stall limiter is a handicap. If you have it turned on, you will not be able to fly your plane to its full potential.
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wow thanks for the EXCELLENT reply. Very informative, thanks!
Very sick today. 10 years without getting sick and this winter I've been nailed twice already. GRRRR
When I get some E, I'm gonna head down and try out the headrest thingy.
Amazing that people probably don't realize how fun and realistic this game is and can be but the graphics don't tantalize people I guess. I personally hesitated to download the demo even until I started reading the forums. Graphics are NOTHING if you can't play the darn game!
No I see no bugs as of yet. And, the warping issue seems to go away when I get close up to the enemy. I'm pretty surprised. Although I can see warping as a nuisance if it gets ANY closer, I'll have to check those links out for testing or resolving the issues.
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p51d is my plane for awhile.
I tried a couple spits that seemed like they were sitting on the tip of a needle in the middle and ANYTHING would make them flop left or right or, climb rapidly up.
Didn't want to mess with trim just about now.
I'm getting owned in the skies but just recently set my conv to about 400, 375, and 300 with my 3 sets of guns.
Strange however, and I wonder if this has been discussed which I am sure it has, but my bullets seem to be doing nothing.
I was behind a 190 and sprayed into his plane many times nicely, nothing.
Same for a yak. This guy was flying a nice slow climb and I was bouncing them ALL over his plane. Nothing.
I had more luck my first couple of days.
I am getting close and far away, and getting nothing. Trying from 800m at the farthest, but mostly around 400m and also I'm getting RIGHT on them with tricky throttle control against some of these guys that are throwing their throttle when caught and turning hard. I've been RIGHT on these guys before and sprayed and gotten nothing.
Just wondering if these bullets on these planes are worth it? Or, am I just sucking and not hitting the right spots?
I'm interested in some flight training and will probably take those offers up when they come about. I have decent flying skills I think when it comes to keeping up with someone in a turn fight or chasing against ACM, but when it comes to being tailed or shaking an enemy, I am sucking.
I am also lacky HARD in the scoring hits dept. I've been on a planes six at 400-200 - 100 m for 60 seconds at times and let my entire load of ammo go before I actually see smoke or anything.
And I'm not just spraying and praying. I'm zooming and strategically landing my shots whenever I can.
Ugh. hehe
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When your convergence is set up like yours it is harder to get quick kills. Instead of having all 6 guns on the P51 hitting the plane at once, only 2 at a time are. Try setting your guns to converge at one point (try 400). To practice your gunnery, you can go offline and up from any airfield and shoot at the drones circling the airfield. I am not sure if killshooter is in the default offline setup or not though, so when you go offline, switch knights or rooks.
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Damage also depends on range. Solid bullets (which the P51 uses) don't explode on impact. Almost all their damage is from smashing into the target. The further the target is (say, 600d or 800d, which is measured in yards distance), the less impact the bullets have. This is much more noticable on smaller guns like .303 cal or 7.8mm, but also does have an effect on 50cal as well.
When in doubt, get in close.
Note the distance you're getting most of your kills (record film and play it back if you need to) and set your convergence so all guns are at the same, and so that the distance is close to the range you're getting kills at. If it's more than 350 you might want to try working in closer, eventually (I mean over time, as you learn to shoot better)
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I usually set all my convergences to 650. In a P-51 you can get a kill at up to 1000 yards with a sustained burst but 4-600 is a more likely opening range. I've even managed a kill at 1000 in a FM2 with only 4 .50's.
If you like shorter convergences (It seems most do), the way your guns are set up seem too spread to me. Try them at someting more like 400, 375 and 350 making sure the inside set are furthest out and the outside set are closest in. That set up will give you secondary convergence points and, as you're distance to target changes you'll move through several convergences relatively quickly putting more bullets into the same spots faster.
Also remember your convergences are not only set laterally, but vertically to account for the arc of your bullets in flight to the target.
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Convergence (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/convergence3/convergence3.htm) - Schatzi
Convergence (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/convergence2/convergence2.htm) - Hammer
Convergence (http://trainers.hitechcreations.com/convergence/convergence.htm) - Soda