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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Benny Moore on January 31, 2007, 09:52:22 PM
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A friendly salute or a "good kill" is a good thing to hear after a well-earned kill. What about "nice shooting"? When I say, "nice shooting," it means that the flier who shot me didn't work hard to out-manuever me but rather caught me with a well-placed deflection shot. It's by no means a jab at his flying but rather a recognition of his superior gunnery. For the same reason, I say "good flying" or something similar when the gunnery was not particularly spectacular but my opponent out-manuevered me. And if I find his flying and shooting both noteable, I'll say, "Great flying, good shooting!"
However, I find that most people don't do anything of the sort. What makes me raise an eyebrow is when I work for three minutes to out-maneuver an opponent flying a more maneuverable ship than mine, and I finally get on his tail and hit him enough to send him down, and the guy says "nice shooting." It's as if the fact that I just out-maneuvered him - in a fighter twice as heavy as his - is of little or no consequence. What's even worse is the "nice shot." This implies that he would have won if I hadn't made the shot, but it just wasn't his day. The hint is that not only was my maneuvering unimpressive, but my gunnery isn't really that great either. I just got lucky, or made an unusually decent shot.
Why do people dislike acknowledging when the other pilot flies well? When I see somone fly in a particularly impressive manner, I make known my admiration. It could be that he was fighting in an inferior ship, or was outnumbered, or fought from a lower energy state. Or perhaps his flying wasn't the best I've seen, but he'd only been flying two weeks and his skill is equivalent to a three month player. Whatever it is, I feel it deserves credit. It takes hard work to become good at this, many years for most people. A simple exclaimation can really make one's day better. There's so much negativity going around (much of it deserved, unfortunately); why not praise when it's due?
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I think we should have one "encompassing thread". Rather than 1,000 threads of this type.
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I hardly think that's fair. A search and a browse through many pages shows up nothing of the sort in a title. I've been here for several months and have never heard anyone even hint at what I've posted. Certainly the point has seldom, if ever, been made in a reasonable and eloquent manner as I've tried to do just now. It's a valid point not often addressed. Do you have a guilty conscience?
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Shubie( a classy player IMHO) said that to me just today.
He said under tough circumstances even. He had recently upped and I was capping the base. He could have said nothing, mentioned that the E states of our planes were dramatically disparate, or complained about me capping the base as we tried to take it. Instead he gave a good spirited " Nice Shot" on a steep deflection snapper I got him with.*
* In the end Shubie saved the base. I ran out of fuel and went home, we never did take the base.
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hey a compliment is a compliment ill take it. lol if they say nice shot that in other words means they are really pissed. lol just shoot them down again.
at least its better then "can we take the diapers off dmonslyr" something like that from nuetrino because he thought i had exturnal views on. after i kicked his prettythang
lol just take the compliment. i look at it like this if he says "GS" then that means every knows he died. which when you reply "thank you gf" it looks a lot better on your part. see what im saying.
if they say GF then people wont know you won :D
kind of a selfish way of saying it but hey it makes me feel better.
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Why do people hesitate from responding with a "good on you"? I am not a psychologist but surely it is not a great leap of thought. They are bitter about it.
The only people who like being defeated are those with an alternative agenda or underachievers. The rest suppess their emotions believing their next engagement will prove more satisfying.
It is a nice thing and a cordial form of decorum to comment accordingly to the victors prowess. But doesn' t the observation require someone of superior ability make the comment. If a person has the superior skill, then obviously, the lucky shot awarded to the inferior pilot does need comment if an overbearing ego is in feeding mode.
It is a cordial thing, perhaps a means of introduction or leveling off of emotions. It's not something I do very often and if I do its not rhetoric. Each and every word would be composed specifically for that opponent so they would know it was heart felt and not simply a cordiality but an observation of something that I felt was so good that I was compelled to thank the victor for what I learned from the engagement.
I don't mind rehtoric but it really can be as redundant as small talk. Certainly others love it fanatically because they believe it means something. I'm not a psycologist so I'm sure, but the reason is very complex and the result, it would be the same complexity. I am sure you knew all that Benny, but failed to force yourself to organize it into a cognizant thought perhaps.
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You know who was a really good shot? pellik.
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That's a rather depressing viewpoint, Raster, and I'm sure it's part of the problem rather than part of the solution. My solution uses simple logic; if the other guy flew well, tell him so. It will make him happier without hurting yourself (unless you've got a disgusting level of pride). If a player can't do that, then he should not say anything. He should not try to mislead others by implying that his opponent did not outfly him but rather won because of his gunnery.
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nice flying, good shot, good fight, GK, S,
, all mean the same to me whether I am the sender or receiver........I do not get into the complexed thoughts of it all........
Nice HO, wtg HO boy, I salute you RAMMASTER!... all have the same meaning too.......:D
now if it is an extremely good fight case in point: Hap flying the 109e against me in the F4U-1 , I will be a lil more thorough and tell em so :aok
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lol if they say nice shot that in other words means they are really pissed. lol just shoot them down again.
It means they are pissed? Maybe that's what it means when you are pissed. Others are just good sports having fun. They don't say things like "My grandma furballs better than you" That was one of your gems tonight. LOL.
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. For the same reason, I say "good flying" or something similar when the gunnery was not particularly spectacular but my opponent out-manuevered me. [/B][/QUOTE]
My favorite kill mission was when I dragged 3 nme through the trees & sheared all of them off through the foliage. I'm prouder of those proxy kills than most of the real kills I get. So I agree- there is a flying component and a shooting component for great deflection shooters that should be acknowledged.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
You know who was a really good shot? pellik.
:noid
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I just have "Nice Shooting", "Good Kill", "Salute", etc, etc.....Printed on my tail. That way I don't take up an obscene amount of air time saying it every time I get waxed.......:rofl
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When someone gets me with a shot that I think is particularly difficult to make, I'll pay him or her the compliment in the game - as both a comment and congratulations on their shooting in that particular circumstance. I do the same thing when I've won or lost a good, hard fought fight.
No one likes to be on the losing end of a competition, but that doesn't mean a good shot isn't worthy of comment or the shooter unworthy of congratulations on making it. Assuming that someone who offers the compliment is somehow really just a back-handed insult is a pretty pessimistic view.
However, just to make sure you don't misconstrue any in-game comments from me as an insult Raster, I will refrain from making them to you.
Cheers,
asw
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Benny, what exactly is the problem you're referring to?
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The problem is players falsely implying that other players' victories were due to gunnery and not flying skill. Like I said, if you don't want to hand out a compliment, don't. Now, saying "good shooting" is very much like saying, "Your flying wasn't worth mentioning but that was some good gunnery." Obviously, then, saying "good shooting" when the outcome of the fight was in fact determined by gunnery rather than flying skill is not the problem. But saying "good shooting" when the fight wasn't won by shooting but by excellent flying is deceitful.
For an extreme example, I can think of a time when a talented flier, "Joe," fought a less skilled player, "Ronny." Joe out-maneuvered Ronny in a fair fight, getting behind Ronny right away and staying there, but took a long time to finish him because of Joe's poor gunnery. After the fight, Ronny said, "good shooting." But it was obvious to me and everyone who saw the fight that it wasn't good shooting, it was bad shooting and great flying. Ronny was not being quite honest there; he handed out a false compliment to avoid giving out a real one. He didn't want to admit he was out-maneuvered in a fair fight, so he made it sound as if Ronny had simply gotten in a lucky shot or head-on pass.
If that situation is good with you, Hubsonfire, then I'll just squelch you if ever I see you in the game, because I don't deal with rude and dishonest players. If that's not the case, however, then I don't see why you apparently disagree with me here. Or is it that you just like to jump on me whenever you see me because of past disagreements about airplanes and countries? At any rate, I don't think I need to say a whole lot more here. My point has been made quite clearly (reduntantly, even), and anyone of integrity will recognize its value. Those who won't, won't, and nothing I say will change that.
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my brain hurts after reading this thread. Seriously...if someone gives you a compliment just take it. Especially if its not meant as a jab. I usually just say "nice one" so it makes sense for every occasion. The threads on this BBS are getting crazier and crazier. :rolleyes: :lol
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lol you ever think that 99% of the people flying this game don't give it any where near as much thought as you have?
It all means the same too me.. Only time anything might mean something different is when you make a "nice shot" meaning it was actually a nice shot.
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I usually throw out a salute to those who kill me unless they vulch or ho in a nikspitlala. :)
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
A friendly salute or a "good kill" is a good thing to hear after a well-earned kill. What about "nice shooting"? When I say, "nice shooting," it means that the flier who shot me didn't work hard to out-manuever me but rather caught me with a well-placed deflection shot. It's by no means a jab at his flying but rather a recognition of his superior gunnery. For the same reason, I say "good flying" or something similar when the gunnery was not particularly spectacular but my opponent out-manuevered me. And if I find his flying and shooting both noteable, I'll say, "Great flying, good shooting!"
However, I find that most people don't do anything of the sort. What makes me raise an eyebrow is when I work for three minutes to out-maneuver an opponent flying a more maneuverable ship than mine, and I finally get on his tail and hit him enough to send him down, and the guy says "nice shooting." It's as if the fact that I just out-maneuvered him - in a fighter twice as heavy as his - is of little or no consequence. What's even worse is the "nice shot." This implies that he would have won if I hadn't made the shot, but it just wasn't his day. The hint is that not only was my maneuvering unimpressive, but my gunnery isn't really that great either. I just got lucky, or made an unusually decent shot.
Why do people dislike acknowledging when the other pilot flies well? When I see somone fly in a particularly impressive manner, I make known my admiration. It could be that he was fighting in an inferior ship, or was outnumbered, or fought from a lower energy state. Or perhaps his flying wasn't the best I've seen, but he'd only been flying two weeks and his skill is equivalent to a three month player. Whatever it is, I feel it deserves credit. It takes hard work to become good at this, many years for most people. A simple exclaimation can really make one's day better. There's so much negativity going around (much of it deserved, unfortunately); why not praise when it's due?
nicely punctuated!
;)
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:huh you are obviously looking for a pat on the back. GOOD FLYING BENNY!!!!!
Now if we ever fly against each other it is covered. OH wait,
good shooting. Just want to cover all the bases
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I'm sorry you don't feel you received a complement consistant with the task you feel you performed.
If I received a "nice flying" or "nice shooting" I would regardless of the true nature of my efforts, to me it would mean the same thing...a complement.
Communication via text is the hardest type of communication. It's even harder when you are forced into short phrases in the game.
If you made a uber great move to get on his six and send him to the tower, when he says "nice shooting" smile and say thank you, it was likely meant as a complement.
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Originally posted by jon
:huh you are obviously looking for a pat on the back. GOOD FLYING BENNY!!!!!
Now if we ever fly against each other it is covered. OH wait,
good shooting. Just want to cover all the bases
:lol
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On a serious note, the compliment, "nice shooting", might just be that he tried to outfly you, couldn't, and was hoping you were a terrible shot. Since you weren't, he complimented you on it! discussion in this thread is now over!:aok
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Wow, ummm. Just fly and have fun. If your happiness and general contentment with the game is conditional upon the praise or lack thereof from your adversaries you're doomed to be miserable. Over-analyzing compliments and their subtle implications and insinuations about your talent or lack thereof is an exercise in vigorous mental masturabation... ;)
Zazen
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So, now it's gone from whining about people NOT complementing ones skill, to whining about HOW poeple complement ones skill???
Benny, please tell me this was done tongue in cheek or as a joke. If you're serous about this I think it's time to stop playing for a bit. Why you ask?? Well lets take a step back and look at it from a distance. You are at a point where it sounds like you're getting the affirmation of your worth from a bunch of us dolts like me that play a silly cartoon game. Additionally you taken it a step further by reading different possible meaning into what these dolts are saying. And now it's bothered you to the point of having to open a discussion about it in a public forum!!
DUDE!!! PUT DOWN THE JOYSTICK!! take a nice walk in the park..... go have a beer at the ball game.... go give the wife the old pickle tickle... just do something else for a bit before you need medication.
Big Mickey
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
If that situation is good with you, Hubsonfire, then I'll just squelch you if ever I see you in the game
You mean to tell me there are players who DON'T have Hubs squelched?
:rofl :lol :D
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S!
maby the other flyer had channel 200 turned off? at least he not pm'd you. i seriously thinking of turning off 200. i getting tired of getting pm’s from noobs who have no manners. If there is no S! or gk or wtg, no biggie. Just fly on and have fun.
S!
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oh brother..who cares. If you like the fight just send a simple
to the guy. If he sends one back, or if he doesn't, so what. Nice flying, nice shooting, the subtle difference between the two...get real. Lots of guys don't even tune to 200. My general rule of thumb, I usually don't send a when I win, but will return one if I recieve one. Usually don't say anything on 200 either unless they initiate it.
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So, was it a nice shot? Like a high deflection or long range shot? You have to manuever to shoot so they go hand-in-hand.
Venom
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Benny we all have good days and bad. For the most part in main most players will
even when its not a good fight. Their are a hand full of players that dont deserve a salute but i will always salute them back. Skill has nothing to do with a salute, GF our GK its all the same. When i get shot down by a newb i always try to give that person credit if he had killed me from my 6.
I get a good amount of every night i play mostly from people that have played the game for years. I fly really stupid and get shot down but that's why i play the game.
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Originally posted by DREDger
oh brother..who cares. If you like the fight just send a simple to the guy. If he sends one back, or if he doesn't, so what. Nice flying, nice shooting, the subtle difference between the two...get real. Lots of guys don't even tune to 200. My general rule of thumb, I usually don't send a when I win, but will return one if I recieve one. Usually don't say anything on 200 either unless they initiate it.
The hard part about that is when your out numbered and you dont have time for a S for the next 10 minutes...
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
The problem is players falsely implying that other players' victories were due to gunnery and not flying skill. Like I said, if you don't want to hand out a compliment, don't. Now, saying "good shooting" is very much like saying, "Your flying wasn't worth mentioning but that was some good gunnery." Obviously, then, saying "good shooting" when the outcome of the fight was in fact determined by gunnery rather than flying skill is not the problem. But saying "good shooting" when the fight wasn't won by shooting but by excellent flying is deceitful.
For an extreme example, I can think of a time when a talented flier, "Joe," fought a less skilled player, "Ronny." Joe out-maneuvered Ronny in a fair fight, getting behind Ronny right away and staying there, but took a long time to finish him because of Joe's poor gunnery. After the fight, Ronny said, "good shooting." But it was obvious to me and everyone who saw the fight that it wasn't good shooting, it was bad shooting and great flying. Ronny was not being quite honest there; he handed out a false compliment to avoid giving out a real one. He didn't want to admit he was out-maneuvered in a fair fight, so he made it sound as if Ronny had simply gotten in a lucky shot or head-on pass.
If that situation is good with you, Hubsonfire, then I'll just squelch you if ever I see you in the game, because I don't deal with rude and dishonest players. If that's not the case, however, then I don't see why you apparently disagree with me here. Or is it that you just like to jump on me whenever you see me because of past disagreements about airplanes and countries? At any rate, I don't think I need to say a whole lot more here. My point has been made quite clearly (reduntantly, even), and anyone of integrity will recognize its value. Those who won't, won't, and nothing I say will change that.
I wasn't necessarily disagreeing with you, I just didn't see the problem. I do now see the problem, and have a simple fix for you. Quit taking the game so damned seriously- you might have some fun.
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obsession
noun
1. an irrational motive for performing trivial or repetitive actions against your will [syn: compulsion]
2. an unhealthy and compulsive preoccupation with something or someone
See 2.
Benny don't let your enthusiasm turn into the above.
Bronk
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Originally posted by FX1
The hard part about that is when your out numbered and you dont have time for a S for the next 10 minutes...
Yeah nothing worse than not being able to back cause his buddies are trying for revenge.....
:)
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
I think we should have one "encompassing thread". Rather than 1,000 threads of this type.
Then how will I ever reach the coveted position of being a “Multi-thousand poster”?
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Originally posted by G0ALY
Then how will I ever reach the coveted position of being a “Multi-thousand poster”?
Post repeatedly in the stupid threads- you'll get there in no time. ;)
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I am mostly with TC on this.
It basically all means the same to me.
The reason for any acknowledgement is well meant even if the context doesn’t seem to fit the bill of events.
If I don’t reply to a comment...or hand one out, it's because I am in another fight, yakin with the squadies on voice chat or have 200 squelched.
I any event now that I am back in AH2 after a 3 month or so leave, i am striving to keep it light and fun for me as well as trying to keep my foes having fun whether victim of victor.
So S! GS! GF! Nice Flyin! And so on to all my Victims and Victors in advance :)
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Post repeatedly in the stupid threads- you'll get there in no time. ;)
Here speaks the voice of experience :rolleyes:
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Hammy!!!!!!!
How you keeping matey?
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
The problem is players falsely implying that other players' victories were due to gunnery and not flying skill.
Shirley, you cant be serious.
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Just an addendum to what I posted earlier, In other sims I have very often sent a
to an opponent regardless of being the victor or the vanquished. It can be a tolerable nuisance if metered out rather than poured out.
Benny, a means nothing more than 'Salute'. It is only a sign of respect for the opponent who fought well. I would only anticipate it being given when there is no chance of a typing death in doing so for either pilot.
Certainly, each situation has it's unique inflections and these exceptions can demand advanced forms of online etiquette but you can't regiment behaviour or make totalitarian demands on each and every person. People dont interact or percieve the world in exactly the same way. The exciting part of online combat is in the variety and the opportunities to witness how others work within the environment. But there are personal rules of conduct that take precedent.
I have noticed that as pilot chat increases, flying skill decreases. IMO, once the pilot becomes fixated with any obsession related to the radio chatter, its then that their priorities are displaced from combat, and they have then become a victim of ego.
RASTER
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Sorry I think I need to post this here.
I was too mad at my SA the other night to do this
<> ghi
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I can't believe I read this whole thread but it made me think about my actions.
Humbly,
gusman44
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NICE POST!!!!!!!:aok
COURTEOUSLY YOURS,
BONER;)
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
It means they are pissed? Maybe that's what it means when you are pissed. Others are just good sports having fun. They don't say things like "My grandma furballs better than you" That was one of your gems tonight. LOL.
i was just kidding when i said that because like yall were trying to furball at a5 and then yall couldnt even put a cap on the base.
i was morely just trying to stir the pot. for some laughs but no 1 wanted to.
yes i think it does mean they are pissed after a really long fight and that's all they can come up with. i think that is just making a excuse but trying to be nice at the same time.
now if some 1 makes a great shot on you then yes saying GS would mean " hey that was a good shot man" i just think saying GS after a really long fight is almost a excuse if you get what I'm saying.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
You know who was a really good shot? pellik.
:rofl
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yes i think it does mean they are pissed after a really long fight and that's all they can come up with. i think that is just making a excuse but trying to be nice at the same time.
you will learn about good sportsmanship as you mature.