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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AquaShrimp on February 02, 2007, 04:23:03 AM
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http://www.break.com/index/smokin_hot_barrel.html
AK catches on fire from firing so many rounds, but it still fires.
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At least it was only a post-sample.
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Whats a post-sample?
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Goes to show you that the AK is one tough gun. Even If I had an AK I wouldn't try to catch it on fire. Are you sure he didn't just put some oil on it and light it up? I do believe that it could catch fire but doesn't the wood have some fire resistance coating to it?
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Whats a post-sample?
It is basically a gun that can only be purchased by another dealer with a demo letter from a law enforcement agency.
And I am not sure if it is the actual barrel catching on fire, most likely the handguards that are made of wood. Not too sure how long metal would burn like that? But I am not sure...
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This vid and an explanation were posted on a gun board I frequent. One of the posters was there for the filming. It was basically a torture test to see how many rapid fire shots the gun could consecutively make before failing.
Yeah, it was the handguards that caught fire but none of the major components (receiver, barrel, gas piston and tube, bolt) survived the "experiment".
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What a waste of a perfectly good gun and a whole lot of ammo.
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Was the rifle really a post-sample or just a cheap semi-auto AK47 with an illegal receiver dropped into it?
Also, trying firing that many rounds with an M-16!
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Why would you need to? You can just hit your target.
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Why would you need to? You can just hit your target.
HA HA HA so true.
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Originally posted by Habu
What a waste of a perfectly good gun and a whole lot of ammo.
Jealous?
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Was the rifle really a post-sample or just a cheap semi-auto AK47 with an illegal receiver dropped into it?
Also, trying firing that many rounds with an M-16!
That assumes you could even get one. I cant afford an M-16. For the price of, say, an AR-15, I could buy 2 or 3 AK-47's. M-16's are considerably more expensive than AR-15's, and not nearly as common. Put a decent muzzle brake on it and the AK isnt such a bad shooter (assuming it hasnt been abused).
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Was the rifle really a post-sample or just a cheap semi-auto AK47 with an illegal receiver dropped into it?
Also, trying firing that many rounds with an M-16!
Yeah, the guy's a CL3 dealer and SOT. He's legit but obviously makes some curious decisions with some of his merchandise.
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I think you could hit anything you wanted with that gun.
Look at how litte kick it has when he empties those big drum mags.
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Originally posted by Habu
I think you could hit anything you wanted with that gun.
Look at how litte kick it has when he empties those big drum mags.
sure.. within 50-100 feet..
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
sure.. within 50-100 feet..
Yup,
And meanwhile some USMC Private with an M-16 on single is picking you off at 200-500 meters with ease
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Also, trying firing that many rounds with an M-16!
Wow. So now the US knows what it has been doing wrong in Iraq and previous wars. Just fire blindly toward the enemy, the sound of the guns, discharging brass, and magazine drops will make the enemy run in fear.
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lol masher I saw a clip of an iraqi with a custom built 200 round clip without the box for his AK, he did what the americans did, shoot a whole lot and hit nothing, sound is everything in war :D
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
sure.. within 50-100 feet..
Actually no offense but your both stupid :D AK-47 is still classed as the most accurate assault rifle. Its who fires it aswell, Iraqi's aren't trained, Russians are.
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Originally posted by Krypto
Actually no offense but your both stupid :D AK-47 is still classed as the most accurate assault rifle. Its who fires it aswell, Iraqi's aren't trained, Russians are.
Ummm ya... you will find a lot of experts who will agree with you there.:aok
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Originally posted by Habu
What a waste of a perfectly good gun and a whole lot of ammo.
y not use this :D
(http://www.montysminiguns.com/minigan.jpg)
atleast u can shoot at ppl and watch their buddies run like a bat outta hell:rofl
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Originally posted by Krypto
Actually no offense but your both stupid :D AK-47 is still classed as the most accurate assault rifle. Its who fires it aswell, Iraqi's aren't trained, Russians are.
I've shot both weapons and I can tell you that you are dead wrong. while the AK has many advantages over the M16 such as reliability ease of mait. and it's easier to shoot tha, it is NOT more accurate.
The M16 has nearly double the muzzle velocity and about half the recoil of the AK. IT can also aoutshoot it by about 200 meters.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
AK gets so hot it catches on fire
GLOBAL WARMINGS:O:O*
*"global warming" is teh new "boosh"
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I've shot both weapons and I can tell you that you are dead wrong. while the AK has many advantages over the M16 such as reliability ease of mait. and it's easier to shoot tha, it is NOT more accurate.
The M16 has nearly double the muzzle velocity and about half the recoil of the AK. IT can also aoutshoot it by about 200 meters.
M16A4? Still not even close, compare it to an AK74. If not, technically the most accurate assault rifle ive seen used in the field was an AN-90/4. Semi Auto, has burst and 2 shot burst aswell :D.
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Originally posted by Krypto
M16A4? Still not even close, compare it to an AK74. If not, technically the most accurate assault rifle ive seen used in the field was an AN-90/4. Semi Auto, has burst and 2 shot burst aswell :D.
Of course!! thats why they dominate the matches! oh...ummm wait...never seen one. Never mind.
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
Of course!! thats why they dominate the matches! oh...ummm wait...never seen one. Never mind.
Ha ha ha ha that's funny
But serisously Krypto. I am NOT saying the M16A2 or A4 are BETTER I am saying they are proven more accurate. Even on paper the A4 has about 100 meters more range than the AK74 and a wopping 300 meters on the the AK47. The round used (5.56mm) may be small and have less knock down power than the 7362 x 39 that the 47 uses but smaller and higher muzzle velocity means more accurate when you consider the minimal recoil. Again this is comparing it to the AK47, NOT 74. To me it looks as if the designers mix some of the good qualitys (accuracy) of the M16 and the good qualities of the AK47 (reliability/ease of use) and create the AK74 wich is a fine weapon if you ask me.
Having fired all of them I can tell you without a doubt that the M16 is more accurate than both of them. The AK series having many redeaming qualities is not as accurate (especially the 47)
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AK108 is accurate.
(http://world.guns.ru/assault/ak-107.jpg)
So is my Chinese Type56 Carbine. (Chinese version of the Russian SKS-47)
If I had a choice between two weapons to take into battle and one was the M16 and one was the AK-47, I'd take the AK-47. I'd get bad luck and jam with the M16.
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My buddy trained with NATO in Evjamoen, Norway. He has a Bulgarian AK and fires it. He was on the "203" when he went there. He shot a Finnish AK with LaPua ammo. He said it was one of the finest weapons he ever fired.
He then said "it wasn't accurate past 150 meters". They never were, nor will be. It was designed for CQB (150 meters and closer) and a totally different animal than the M16's are, IMO.
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hit nothing? we hit the soviet union so hard that it collapsed under it's own idiocy without us ever firing a shot. go drink some lighter fluid or something.
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AKs are alot more accurate than people tend to think they are. Alot of people seem to confuse accuracy and precision.
The sights are a pain in the butt to properly zero, but when they are zeroed the AK47 rifle is capable of good combat accuracy to 300m and beyond. The 74, even further.
I wouldn't trade the AR sights or AR safety/selector for what's on the AK, tho. Not even close.
(The Galil addresses both of those shortcomings in an AK-pattern rifle very nicely, however.)
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The only big advantage the AK holds over a C7 (Canadian variant of M16, much higher quality but basically the same design) is that it really doesn't need to be maintained. This is great when you have a poorly trained force or one with little money for regular maintenance. An M16 type weapon will fire faster, more accurately, at longer ranges with less recoil and better quality safety, selector, and sights, just as long as it's properly maintained - like any other piece of equipment. I remember once I decided to see just how long a basic rifle, straight from the rack from the armory would fire continuously and I was feeding mags for well over 15 minutes. Granted, I was wearing thick leather gun gloves and I had to remove the plastic grips but those only take a couple seconds to take on or put off. But even after all that I was still hitting sub MOA at 100 meters. Hell, AK can't even do that when it's in perfect order much less on fire ;)
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The fact of the matter is that the M-16 got some of our troops killed in the invasion of Iraq because it could not fire with sand particles in the receiver. One young private whos M-16 was only partially disabled was able to take out an entire Iraqi mortar crew by firing a shot, ducking down, and unjamming his rifle, then firing again. Apparently he was an expert marksman.
So, 50 years after its invention, the M-16 still can't withstand the rigors of combat. People continue saying "Keep it clean and it works". Maybe. But being out in the field is an extremely dirty environment. Sand and snow environments are alot alike, the particles get everywhere. Same with mud.
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You can never rely on keep it clean statement. Hell, you could clean it 24/7 it'll still jam at the worse possible times.
Edit: Also its a break "weak" weapon. Considering ive seen people smash it against a tree and have it break. And an AK run over by a humvee and not even dent
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Really? I have seen AKs smash just fine. Are you sure yours isn't made of Kryptonite?
An early problem folks were having in the desert was using wet lubes. Most use dry lubes now to much greater effect.
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Originally posted by Debonair
*"global woorming" is teh new "boosh"
fixed!
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The only time I fired a Garand (WW2), it jammed. It was sand.
Anyway, on the field, reliability is all more important than the muzzle velocity + range that you will not enjoy with a jammed gun.
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My son became a bit of an AK expert, starting with a cheap Romanian SAR1 version, and working up to a Krebs Custom built AK74M.
In between he had an AK103 in the collection and a Polish underfolder AK47.
I've been the AR guy. As much as I like ARs, I have to admit his AK74 is probably the nicest shooter of the bunch and is just as accurate if not more then the ARs I have. Now they aren't match rifles, but then again neither is his AK74.
Also keep in mind that with AKs there are all kinds of variants built milled recievers and stamped recievers which also makes a difference in accuracy etc.
I was surprised at all those variants when my son started explaining it to me when he would try to justify "just one more" for his AK collection.
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I know the feeling Guppy and I can relate. I started with a WASR a couple of years ago because of the price tag. Since then, the collection (and quality) has grown. It's a sickness. :D
Here's a video of an AK sand function test:
AMD-65 Sand Test (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8916102775881996856&hl=en)
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Hmmm possible stupid question here but... could doing what he did (the video) have caused a "catastrophic" failure resulting in serious injury....?
It seams VERY possible to me, but then again I dont know an all that much about guns....
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Not a stupid question, and I would say your hunch is probably correct. It's a mechanical device and just like any other, it has safe limits which were obviously exceeded since the gun was destroyed. When a mechanical failure happens in a device designed to contain and direct explosive energy, it's usually bad.
The AK's reputation for reliability and ruggedness is legendary and alot of it is deserved, but alot is perpetuated myth/urban legend. Some folks take this as carte blanche to enter into freestyle redneck olympic events like the one in the video. Sooner or later, their luck will take a turn for the worse.
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I love my SKS-47 it doesn't jam unless I'm discharging the bullets manually which I found out is dumb. I went to stupid mod and was trying to pry this bullet out and as soon as I got the bullet out, the bolt smashed my finger, but it was okay. I went back to smart mod and just opened the bottom of the mag and let the bullets fall into my hand.
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but smaller and higher muzzle velocity means more accurate when you consider the minimal recoil.
Foolish conclusion.
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HHAAARRRRRRRRR!! :D
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Foolish conclusion.
Not really. A lighter round traveling faster than a heavier round will go further, and will have less drop at closer range. Couple that with minimal recoil and it's an accurate weapon.
Keep in mind all that I'm making my argument based on ranges of 300 meters or greater.
Not just small grouping at 50 to 75 yards.