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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Major Biggles on February 03, 2007, 08:25:13 AM
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we all know it, that AvA is the best arena in AH. best, and most fair fights, historical matchups, and just far more fun.
it does however have one huge drawback, numbers. it would be great if we did something to raise the profile of the AvA, and get people flying in there.
we need to run some heavily advertised events and get people in. everyone loves it when there are people in there to fly with, it's so much more enjoyable. this is most evident during off peak times, there's never anyone in there. i don't know what can be done, but it would be fantastic to see more people in there ;)
thanks, biggs
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I disagree. there are plenty of good fights with as few as two players on. I have enjoyed many, many 3 v 3s and such. the last thing the AvA needs is a bunch of toolshedding, vultching, ack hugging, suicide porking, truck driving MA players. the endless whines of why can't I fly my Lgayseven!!!!!!! the steady stream xxxxx requests to join your plane. the rude private messages for killing 3 of them while you are alone. no thanks.
when they show up and I'm on I pound them to pixels mercilessly until they retreat to relative safety of the MA. while the door is open to all, no need for that in here. let the ones that appreciate a fight for a fight's sake frequent the arena. the rest should rightfully remain in the quake and cannon fodder arena.
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Originally posted by storch
I disagree. there are plenty of good fights with as few as two players on. I have enjoyed many, many 3 v 3s and such. the last thing the AvA needs is a bunch of toolshedding, vultching, ack hugging, suicide porking, truck driving MA players. the endless whines of why can't I fly my Lgayseven!!!!!!! the steady stream xxxxx requests to join your plane. the rude private messages for killing 3 of them while you are alone. no thanks.
when they show up and I'm on I pound them to pixels mercilessly until they retreat to relative safety of the MA. while the door is open to all, no need for that in here. let the ones that appreciate a fight for a fight's sake frequent the arena. the rest should rightfully remain in the quake and cannon fodder arena.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
GREAT fights today
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I think you're both right. It's a drag to log on hoping for an AvA fix only to find it deserted. I usually don't have the patience to enter anyway and wait more than a few minutes for someone else to show up before moving on. On the other hand, I understand Storch's point of view. The arena loses a little of that certain something that makes it special when there's lots of folks on.
A more populated arena means a greater chance of running across "toolshedding, vultching, ack hugging, suicide porking, truck driving MA players" but a total of 2 peeps on isn't much fun either unless they have similar ideas about gameplay and the skill gap isn't too huge.
Personally I think the former is the lesser of the two evils. I'd rather put up with a few annoying players than have nobody at all to fight. A bad day in AvA is still better than a good day in the MA. The quake types will find their way back to the MA before too long anyway. This really isn't their cup of tea. Besides Storch, where are you going to direct that righteous anger if there are no dweebs around to swat. ;)
Anyhow, if some sort of advertizing brings new peeps in theres a chance that a few will get it and fall in love with the place. It'd be great if you could find a dozen or so on at any time of day. I'd be willing to trade "a little too many" during peak hours for that.
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I had a blast in there last night.
Storch or Biggles a thought occured to me that didn't die of lonliness or alcohol poisoning.. could someone post the 'rules' for the AVA? Not that it will do any good for the people that don't care but I know the first time I was in there I vulched a field out of ignorance and was told, politely I might add, by a regular that it was bad form. No vulching, HO's are frowned upon, and.. what else?
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Originally posted by DblTrubl
The quake types will find their way back to the MA before too long anyway. This really isn't their cup of tea.
Agreed.
- oldman (with the proviso that the generalz think that WE'RE the Quake types)
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
could someone post the 'rules' for the AVA?
There's been some vigorous discussion about this over the years, which seems to come down to this: Many of the people who play in AvA on a frequent basis think that there is a code of conduct. Others (typified by the "Hey, it's my $14.99/month...." expression) contest this. Sooner or later, peer pressure either converts you, or drives you away I think.
Having said that, I can only think of a few things that I would consider to be the unwritten code of AvA:
- no vulching
- no ganging (more than 3 v 1)
- maintenance of a respectful attitude to others (except for Storch, who has proven impossible to train)
- be willing to engage in a fight
The HO issue is AH-wide, with proponents on both sides. While I try not to HO on the merge, I'll do it otherwise if the shot presents itself. Others' opinions vary.
Having said this, I think it would be unwise to try to codify it or to force others to comply with it. You want to, or you don't.
- oldman
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- no vulching
- no ganging (more than 3 v 1)
- maintenance of a respectful attitude to others (except for Storch, who has proven impossible to train)
- be willing to engage in a fight
Jaa, butz itz not zat he kant be vaught on vat is vite or rongz, itz zat beink une zerman pilotz it about zee KILL.
DIE BART DIE! Tschüs zee Amerkanz and Vitish! . Ja, bitte for zee fightz.
Zee, ve veel vetter alz vready. Jaa Stochz?
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Thanks Oldman,
I admit I ho'd a guy last friday but it was a lucky shot that was more intended to get him off my guys tail than actually damage.
I think I'll stick with the code of conduct. You know.. when in Rome and all
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no sooner than I posted the above response to poof that I logged on and he was on. poof upped a P51b and I a 109G6. he then commenced to give me a schooling the likes of which is periodically necessary. we must have fought uninterrupted for better than 15 minutes in a truly well matched fight.
to you sir thank you for a GREAT fight.
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I think Biggles might have the better approach, the toolshedders would disappear soon enough and we might get more dedicated individuals to the AvA. Just my opinions, but I'd like to see some people in there during the hours I play (due to work and other R/L, haven't been online as much as I would like to be).
So, all ideas welcome. We'll start posting the current setup in the General Discussion, maybe add a link to one of Soda72's videoes, etc...
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Originally posted by storch
no sooner than I posted the above response to poof that I logged on and he was on. poof upped a P51b and I a 109G6. he then commenced to give me a schooling the likes of which is periodically necessary. we must have fought uninterrupted for better than 15 minutes in a truly well matched fight. to you sir thank you for a GREAT fight.
Storch did you run film?
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I never run film anymore
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dang
that would be one worth watching I think
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
dang
that would be one worth watching I think
i WISH i'd filmed it, it was an EXCELLENT fight. it was a total stalemate. i'd get on storch's six, only to not have the E or the engine power to push the nose up for the kill. i'd get a few pings, have to dive for E, and repeat, try to reverse, get behind, get outclimbed.
he'd get get some alt, i couldn't follow. he'd dive back down, i'd swing out of the way of his bullets. this same process carried on, back and forth for 15 mins. p51b vs 109g6...
eventually, he was learning how to bypass my moves, so i had to come up with new and inventive ways to drag him down, and reverse on him close enough to get a shot (stupid biggles had his convergence set to 200 yrds :(). during this stage i got some quick snapshots and steady pings, but no effective damage.
eventually i got too daring, too cocky and too greedy, let him in too close before reversing and lost my wing ;)
was one of the best fights i've ever had in AH, whiteknuckle ride all the way.
would have been a totally excellent training video, A) for learning to use a heavier, less maneuverable plane in a turnfight (pony b) and B) learning to fly to your plane's advantages and not get sucked in (109)
storchita, it was awesome
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wow... wish I'd have been there watching
Next time you guys face off roll tape for us nooooobs I'd love to see it
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Originally posted by storch
no sooner than I posted the above response to poof that I logged on and he was on. poof upped a P51b and I a 109G6. he then commenced to give me a schooling the likes of which is periodically necessary. we must have fought uninterrupted for better than 15 minutes in a truly well matched fight. to you sir thank you for a GREAT fight.
205 vs 109 fight was good fun too btw ;) 205 just can't hold a G2 off for that long though, great flying on your part :)
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
we all know it, that AvA is the best arena in AH. best, and most fair fights, historical matchups, and just far more fun.
it does however have one huge drawback, numbers. it would be great if we did something to raise the profile of the AvA, and get people flying in there.
we need to run some heavily advertised events and get people in. everyone loves it when there are people in there to fly with, it's so much more enjoyable. this is most evident during off peak times, there's never anyone in there. i don't know what can be done, but it would be fantastic to see more people in there ;)
thanks, biggs
We have been Advertising for quite sometime now on all fronts.What is starting to help lately is when you tell them thier score is recorded in the AvA as well.
By the by, there is a very good GV scenario being put together for HMM.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Having said that, I can only think of a few things that I would consider to be the unwritten code of AvA:
- no vulching
- no ganging (more than 3 v 1)
- maintenance of a respectful attitude to others (except for Storch, who has proven impossible to train)
- be willing to engage in a fight
you forgot the most important "unwritten code":
- don't whine about somone breaking the "unwritten code".
The unwritten code is no more than a courtesy that is given from one player to another. Since there is no way to enforce "unwritten codes", this has led to a false impression to new comers who think they will not be Ho'd in the AvA which is not true.
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in order to train a beast one must be at least as intelligent as the beast. :aok
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Originally posted by soda72
you forgot the most important "unwritten code":
- don't whine about somone breaking the "unwritten code".
The unwritten code is no more than a courtesy that is given from one player to another. Since there is no way to enforce "unwritten codes", this has led to a false impression to new comers who think they will not be Ho'd in the AvA which is not true.
So I noticed... *shrug*
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Thanks to forHIM and the CM staff we (the AVA) now have a page on the events site. I am working on it today. :) Will not be anything fancy at first, but will give players a place to peek and see what the AVA is about.
As for HO Dicho, IMHO if I have a shot I take it, (esp if I greatly out gun them and can't out maneuver them) I care nothing about what others say or think about my methods. Besides I suck and if they tell me that, I just agree with them. :D No ego to fan here.
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thirty players on earlier this evening. 10 in axis, 15 in spitwads alt monkeying, vultching and HO'n and the real gem 5 in other allied planes attempting to not dweeb up the arena. thanks for the good fights they more than countered the 6 vultches from the dweebs.
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Wow. 30 players. Really, that's fantastic considering our numbers the fall.
Storch - apart from the dweebery we only find the MA, still not a bad thing no? Would you rather have no targets or 15? :D
I wonder if the server maintenance from last week attracted a few regulars to check it out again? Either way, 30 players is still 30 players, isn't it?
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well I always say a spitttard on your 6 is better than no spittard at all. :D
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15 in spitwads alt monkeying, vultching...
Sondog was embarrassed by the guys he was flying with. He told me they were vulching and asked if he could shoot them down. I told him two wrongs don't make a right. ;) One of those teaching moments. I told him to ask them not to vulch. He is still too shy about sticking his neck, but he was quite displeased with their behavior.
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the sad thing is that those players are former AvA regulars. in their defense not all of them were vultching and not all of them were in easy mode rides. I was happy to see two of them in particular that had improved their game so much I couldn't believe it was them. the rest of them had made no real improvement though. apparently they still play with the stall limiter on climb far above the fight and cherry/gang when they aren't vultching. I was glad they were in the arena though, warts and all. if it takes a few vultches in order for them to get revenge then I guess it has to be what it is, a hollow victory.
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Originally posted by daddog
I told him two wrongs don't make a right.
But, uh, three do.
- oldman (good for sondog)
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Originally posted by storch
the sad thing is that those players are former AvA regulars. in their defense not all of them were vultching and not all of them were in easy mode rides. I was happy to see two of them in particular that had improved their game so much I couldn't believe it was them. the rest of them had made no real improvement though. apparently they still play with the stall limiter on climb far above the fight and cherry/gang when they aren't vultching. I was glad they were in the arena though, warts and all. if it takes a few vultches in order for them to get revenge then I guess it has to be what it is, a hollow victory.
Looks like they needed some good ole fashioned neg reinforcement..
A few minutes of ack set with lazer beam accuarcy with a down time of 2 seconds, usually gets the message accross quite effectively..
:lol
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the other side to that coin is then they never leave the ack. they are MA players at heart no amount of beating will remove that fact.
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The Only thing that PO'ed me was when the CV puffy ack was hitting close to the field. Try to climb up to the little buggers and poof pilot wound from puffy.
Strange how they stopped upping once the cv was moved off shore.
:noid
Bronk
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Originally posted by storch
the other side to that coin is then they never leave the ack. they are MA players at heart no amount of beating will remove that fact.
Just for a few minutes, while they are vulching ... it doesn't take long before they get the message. that it's a waste of time.. then ack can be set back to normal...
Two weeks ago when the MA server went down and we had 120+ in the AvA arena it worked quite well, and kept people from spoiling the on going massive furball...
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Originally posted by Bronk
The Only thing that PO'ed me was when the CV puffy ack was hitting close to the field. Try to climb up to the little buggers and poof pilot wound from puffy.
Strange how they stopped upping once the cv was moved off shore.
:noid
Bronk
JG54 sank that annoying CV because we could not get anyone to move it.
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Originally posted by soda72
Just for a few minutes, while they are vulching ... it doesn't take long before they get the message. that it's a waste of time.. then ack can be set back to normal...
Two weeks ago when the MA server went down and we had 120+ in the AvA arena it worked quite well, and kept people from spoiling the on going massive furball...
I saw that many people on guess at the problem was and went to the DA. no way I would want to be on with that many MA players.
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Originally posted by storch
JG54 sank that annoying CV because we could not get anyone to move it.
I saw that but they stopped upping anywhere afterwards. I was having fun killing them and mixing it up. Shame really.
Bronk
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Originally posted by storch
I saw that many people on guess at the problem was and went to the DA. no way I would want to be on with that many MA players.
Omg you should have it was serious clubbing time.
Fun watching them try and turn with the 109 f4.
:D
Bronk
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Originally posted by storch
thirty players on earlier this evening. 10 in axis, 15 in spitwads alt monkeying, vultching and HO'n and the real gem 5 in other allied planes attempting to not dweeb up the arena. thanks for the good fights they more than countered the 6 vultches from the dweebs.
was this the Ki-84 VS spit8/5 fights i was involved in the other day?
maybe it wasnt, but i thought i'd give tht setup a thumbs up.
was a bucket of fun, talk about target rich for us in the ki84s.
was fun and JG54 were decent wingmen through and through, was a real pleasure to see the Axis n the back foot for a change, low n slow and outnumbered. even more fun seeing as i was flying axis that day.
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Originally posted by storch
JG54 sank that annoying CV because we could not get anyone to move it.
The other day on the Tunisia map, I came into the arena and immediately heard a request to move the annoying CV . . . and found that it would not respond. I could set waypoints, but after hitting submit, nothing would happen. It just kept on its merry way.
I should have brought something to the boards that night, but forgot about it by the time I left.
I wonder if the same problem was occurring? And would that be a bug or is that an arena setting?
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Originally posted by Oldman731
But, uh, three do.
- oldman (good for sondog)
It's, "But three rights make a left.";)
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
we all know it, that AvA is the best arena in AH. best, and most fair fights, historical matchups, and just far more fun.
it does however have one huge drawback, numbers. it would be great if we did something to raise the profile of the AvA, and get people flying in there.
we need to run some heavily advertised events and get people in. everyone loves it when there are people in there to fly with, it's so much more enjoyable. this is most evident during off peak times, there's never anyone in there. i don't know what can be done, but it would be fantastic to see more people in there ;)
thanks, biggs
Not very happy flying in another "world war two" AVA and doing some shopping around, I wonder is it squad based action(taking bases, Jabo, Bombing..yadda yadda) in AVA or mainly furballs? Is it theater specific A/C (no f4u's in England?) Just a few questionsall,BK
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Mainly furballing with historic plane sets. As you say, if they are running a Battle of Britain set, it is Spits / Hurricanes against 109s, 110s and JU88s -- no Zekes or Corsair. They will sometimes make a substitution in an attempt to fill a gap in the plane set (if one exists), but mostly stick to "history" when possible. Usually this means fair / balanced plane sets and lots of fun fights.
Occasionally someone will set up a mission or objective that may involve a base capture, but for the most part that is left for the main arenas.
The main arenas are separated by time periods (early, mid, and late war), but are free-form from there. That is, you can up any plane from that time period or earlier, regardless of what side you are on. So you get P51 vs. Spitfires vs. LA-7 action in there. There is also a base capture / "win the war" aspect to it that some like, others don't. Plenty of room to find what you like and do that (jabo; bombers like B-17s, B-24s, Lancasters; furball only; tank fights, etc).
You can form or join a squad in any arena. Although there are separate Mains, the Main Arena squads can fly in any Main and remain affiliated. AvA squads can be separate if you wish. You can move freely between the arenas any time you want -- there is no restriction or having to "choose" an arena for any length of time.
The game comes with a free two week trial where you can play in any of the main arenas or AvA. I strongly suggest downloading and practicing offline for a while before starting your two week free trial. You may have been playing another flight game, but as I am sure you are aware, there are likely going to be large differences in the flight models and how the planes handle. Get used to flying and shooting drones offline first to minimize frustration and maximize fun time when you do your free trial. When you start, you may find a short amount of time in the Training Arena helpful as well -- there are almost always volunteer trainers in there to help with any questions.
Hope that covers everything you wanted to know.
and welcome!
:aok
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it's hit or miss. The scenarios are quasi-historical. for instance this week it's italy 1943 the allieds have the corresponding A/C as do the axis. we (JG54) are a quasi-historical squad obviously flying german iron. we are in the arena almost every night.
if you are looking for perfection keep cruising but IMHO it's about as good as it gets in MMOG cartoon plane games. generally speaking the players in the arena are there for fight and you will find you get as good as you give.
stop on by I'm always ready to get my arse kicked.
they ran a scenario a while back involving F4Us and F6F's that actually attacked the tirpitz in tromso fjord that was fun as well as historical. :D
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Originally posted by bkwolf
Not very happy flying in another "world war two" AVA and doing some shopping around, I wonder is it squad based action(taking bases, Jabo, Bombing..yadda yadda) in AVA or mainly furballs? Is it theater specific A/C (no f4u's in England?) Just a few questionsall,BK
I like to go shopping to.
Yes there are a lot of Air to air fights that get your blood pumpin.
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Thanks for the responses. I do have AH loaded up and fly off line(X-52 set up too) have yet to go on line. The FMs,DMs and all are different from what Im used too,in some ways better and others not. I would probably stick to the AVA p51-v-p51 and so on just wont do it for me. I do plan to try it out, cya up there,and thanks again
BK
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Originally posted by E25280
The other day on the Tunisia map, I came into the arena and immediately heard a request to move the annoying CV . . . and found that it would not respond. I could set waypoints, but after hitting submit, nothing would happen. It just kept on its merry way.
I should have brought something to the boards that night, but forgot about it by the time I left.
I wonder if the same problem was occurring? And would that be a bug or is that an arena setting?
It's an arena setting. I'll try to remember to see about that task group when I get home from work (about 8 hours), if it's still a bother.
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thanks panzzer but it is no longer a bother. we players took matters into our own hands. it would be nice if the staff didn't park the CVs right off of the beach though.
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Originally posted by Bronk
Omg you should have it was serious clubbing time.
Fun watching them try and turn with the 109 f4.
:D
Bronk
I don't enjoy clubbing baby seals. I can get that type of excitement by shooting drones, or flying in the MA :D
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Originally posted by E25280
It's, "But three rights make a left.";)
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Originally posted by bkwolf
Thanks for the responses. I do have AH loaded up and fly off line(X-52 set up too) have yet to go on line. The FMs,DMs and all are different from what Im used too,in some ways better and others not. I would probably stick to the AVA p51-v-p51 and so on just wont do it for me. I do plan to try it out, cya up there,and thanks again
BK
Your post reminded me of one thing I forgot to mention. I am sure the offline damage model looks strange -- shoot off a drone's wing, and it still flies. I had forgotten to warn you about that. I have heard a few people in the past say the damage model was cheezy - when shooting offline drones was all they had done to that point. This is NOT what it is like in the real game.
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Originally posted by E25280
Your post reminded me of one thing I forgot to mention. I am sure the offline damage model looks strange -- shoot off a drone's wing, and it still flies. I had forgotten to warn you about that. I have heard a few people in the past say the damage model was cheezy - when shooting offline drones was all they had done to that point. This is NOT what it is like in the real game.
I didn't realize that..... Somebody should mention this to HTC, they may want to change it if it is giving a bad impression of their software....
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I think the attitude of certain regulars in the AvA keep a lot from going in. It gets tiring hearing the constant watermelon talk by these guys when you shoot them down. It's sad because the fights can be fun but I can see why a quite a bit don't come back after trying it out.
BTW- loved this weeks set up. Got the chance to take the P-38G up for a couple of spins. I know I'll be back if the P-38 is featured more in the plane set.
ack-ack
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Was a peaceful week in the AvA. Good times all around.
Was some 200 banter going on tonight when AKAK showed up. Kept saying witty things like "you guys are crappy flyers", "you guys suck", "Storch is a retard". Unable to match his linguistic abilities and awed by his obvious intellectual prowess I tried to mostly stay out of it.
He soon left and all was peaceful again. Good times all around.
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Why don't you tell the truth KONG?
The truth is that it was quiet in AvA until storchita found out I was flying in the arena. Then he started with the insults which grew more frequent every time I shot his arse down. Then after you got your arse smacked, you started in with your own watermelon talk. But from what I've heard, this is typical behavior for your squadron. The only time it stopped is when Oldman asked that we knock it off but as soon as he left, storchita started it up again. So please don't paint yourself and your girlfriend as the martyrs.
And as I said over channel 200, I'm surprised for a couple of guys like you that are so crappy at this game can be so lippy. Oh, it's not smart to use one of those Italian planes against the P-38 in the vertical, you'll lose a wing if you try...oh wait you did, my mistake.
ack-ack
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:rofl akak is funny. for a supposed ten year veteran player your performance is decidedly underwhelming. the "every time I shot ur arse down" was twice and then when the opposing player was engaged with at least one two other players in spits and you come down from the akakosphere to pick and zoom back up. we were laughing at you whole time sir. don't forget to mention that on many occasions you were easily defeated by a 110 of all things and that with a 110 fresh off of the runway. take some practice time sir. some low fighting, maybe up a hurricane, A6M or some other easymode crutch ride and come in below 5k where the fights are if you are unable to turn your P38 with other players.
I can't help it you can't compete and you don't have the skills to go toe to toe in a spontaneous fight with decent players. but don't hate us because we're better than you hate us because we're good looking too.
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Originally posted by KONG1
Was some 200 banter going on tonight when AKAK showed up.
From a parent's perspective: Last night transported me back more than a dozen years, to a time when my twins were four. I ALMOST said, "I don't care who started it, I want it to stop." And as soon as I turned off the light and closed the door, I knew it would start right up again.
Gentlemen: I understand that some personalities will interact like gasoline and flame. If the urge to taunt strikes you - as I know it must - that would be a good time to take yourselves to the MA, or the DA or, possibly more appropriate, the Training Arena. You might be thoroughly unaffected by the insults; in fact, you may glory in trading your pointed barbs and clever zingers. But the noise it creates in the room is very unpleasant for everyone else. Very very unpleasant. Its effect is not much different from what you get listening to one of the foul-mouthed MA drunks boasting or spewing hate.
So, while it really pains me to say this, because I consider you to be my friends: if you can't restrain yourselves, take it somewhere else.
- oldman (not happy)
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Thanks Oldman. The AvA needs that approach.
I was no where near the events last night, but I do know Storch has said he loves the internet's "advantage" of being able to watermelon talk without risking getting punched out. He's also said that he doesn't want the AvA to grow, that he likes having very small numbers.
And I know the atmosphere is a big part of what keeps me away...
I'd be there all the time if at least the regulars carried themselves like sportsmen -- out for the thrill of the fight, wanting things to be fair, and wanting everyone to have a good time.
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nope after about the his third insult I simply .squelch akak and had no further interaction. it would come as no surprise if he continued typing in my direction but it would be one sided. while I understand the concept of make your bed and lie in it I had no further dialog with the player in question nor will I in the future.
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Originally posted by Simaril
:aok
Thanks Oldman. The AvA needs that approach.
I was no where near the events last night, but I do know Storch has said he loves the internet's "advantage" of being able to watermelon talk without risking getting punched out. He's also said that he doesn't want the AvA to grow, that he likes having very small numbers.
And I know the atmosphere is a big part of what keeps me away...
I'd be there all the time if at least the regulars carried themselves like sportsmen -- out for the thrill of the fight, wanting things to be fair, and wanting everyone to have a good time.
well if you will put words in my mouth at least put the correct ones.
point number one. on more than one occasion I have met people from these boards and taken them around miami. I extend that invitation to you. if you happen to find yourself travelling to miami and are so inclined PM me, I'll gladly pick you up at the airport or meet you at your hotel. if you decide you want to punch me out I can arrange some time at a local dojo. I'll provide you with all the necessary protective gear minus the the mouth guard. after you have kicked my bellybutton we can go to a nice cuban restaurant for lunch.
point number two. I never said I don't want the AvA to grow I said we don't need timid players such as akak in there. most of us that routinely play the AvA eschew the MA for precisely that type of game play. we can find petulant miscreants such as that in the MA 24/7
number three. sportsmanlike conduct? oh you mean like when you and most of your squad line up in easymode rides hang out over your ack and repeatedly HO other players from in line astern? the last time you guys were on I counted five consecutive HOs and not one round landed. sir, please spare me your drama.
the AvA has been a wonderful place to play in for the last month or so. the reason for that is because I have been routinely logging on and waiting for players to show up when no one else has been on. there was a period of about six months when I quit logging on and that period remarkably coincided with the many posts regarding the AvA's decline. the reason the game play is even there is because I'm there. were I not there the place would be empty, yes I'm mr AvA. not that I'm special in any way it's just simply that instead of typing stuff like "I'd go but no one is on ever" or "i'd be there all the time if at least the regulars carried themselves like sportsmen" (yawn) I log on and wait for a fight. who ever shows up I fight and I give them the best fight I can.
unlike my current re-fried detractor who is nothing more than a unidimensional poorly skilled player which offers no one a fight, I'll fight you if you are high, low and irrespective of what you arrive in.
finally sir, if you don't like me then why don't you replace me? come into the arena at around 1900 and remain until around 2400 like I do almost every day. in short put up or shut up sir.
:D
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Generalizations are typically of little use, there is no intelligent way to respond to them and they indicate an unwillingness or inability to say anything substantive. As one who does not “talk a lot of chit” and is not prone to profanity I reserve the right to express myself on certain matters. I will try to be specific and, hopefully, effectively communicate as only a bickering four-year-old can.
Specifically, we have an individual who goes about telling other players they aren’t good at playing a game. Choice of subject indicates upon what his self-image is based. His derision of others just an attempt to bolster his own self-esteem, his lack of creativity evidence of intellectual deficiency. Frustrated in his mediocrity and pathetic in his desperation he advertises his insecurities and invites instigation. Being that he can be so easily hoisted on his own petard I feel perfectly justified in doing so.
Deal with it.:D
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Wow, perfect description of Storchita.
After work I'll be posting the films of all my flights in the AvA from yesterday so everyone else can get a good chuckle and then decide for themselves what happened.
It is amusing seeing you try to take the high ground KONG, especially since you wallow in the gutter along with your friend Storchita.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by storch
well if you will put words in my mouth at least put the correct ones.
point number one. on more than one occasion I have met people from these boards and taken them around miami. I extend that invitation to you. if you happen to find yourself travelling to miami and are so inclined PM me, I'll gladly pick you up at the airport or meet you at your hotel. if you decide you want to punch me out I can arrange some time at a local dojo. I'll provide you with all the necessary protective gear minus the the mouth guard. after you have kicked my bellybutton we can go to a nice cuban restaurant for lunch.
point number two. I never said I don't want the AvA to grow I said we don't need timid players such as akak in there. most of us that routinely play the AvA eschew the MA for precisely that type of game play. we can find petulant miscreants such as that in the MA 24/7
number three. sportsmanlike conduct? oh you mean like when you and most of your squad line up in easymode rides hang out over your ack and repeatedly HO other players from in line astern? the last time you guys were on I counted five consecutive HOs and not one round landed. sir, please spare me your drama.
the AvA has been a wonderful place to play in for the last month or so. the reason for that is because I have been routinely logging on and waiting for players to show up when no one else has been on. there was a period of about six months when I quit logging on and that period remarkably coincided with the many posts regarding the AvA's decline. the reason the game play is even there is because I'm there. were I not there the place would be empty, yes I'm mr AvA. not that I'm special in any way it's just simply that instead of typing stuff like "I'd go but no one is on ever" or "i'd be there all the time if at least the regulars carried themselves like sportsmen" (yawn) I log on and wait for a fight. who ever shows up I fight and I give them the best fight I can.
unlike my current re-fried detractor who is nothing more than a unidimensional poorly skilled player which offers no one a fight, I'll fight you if you are high, low and irrespective of what you arrive in.
finally sir, if you don't like me then why don't you replace me? come into the arena at around 1900 and remain until around 2400 like I do almost every day. in short put up or shut up sir.
:D
BLA BLA BLA.... (puts on waders) Keep shoveling chief...keep shoveling. The caca is not quite deep enough yet! :aok
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
you wallow in the gutter
Better to wallow in the gutter than be a t*rd in the sewer.
Sorry, couldn't resist.:D
Thing is you'll never get me to be defensive about being shot down. All evidence indicates that I'm quite good at it.:p
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I'm pretty sure this wasn't the advertising that Biggles was after, in fact I think you're (not naming any names, you know who you are) representing quite the opposite what makes the arena fun to play in.
So, while it really pains me to say this, because I consider you to be my friends: if you can't restrain yourselves, take it somewhere else.
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Originally posted by 1Duke1
BLA BLA BLA.... (puts on waders) Keep shoveling chief...keep shoveling. The caca is not quite deep enough yet! :aok
I would challenge you to step into the arena from time to time as well sir.
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Originally posted by Panzzer
I'm pretty sure this wasn't the advertising that Biggles was after, in fact I think you're (not naming any names, you know who you are) representing quite the opposite what makes the arena fun to play in.
This is just getting worse and worse. Could we please just end this thread?
- oldman
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lol, will you old women cork it. do your talking in the way you fight, not second, or even third rate smack talk crud...
:rofl
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Originally posted by Oldman731
This is just getting worse and worse. Could we please just end this thread?
- oldman
why? because akak comes on here to spread his cheer? plow around that old stump. why? because storch responds in kind? plow around that stump too. honestly, I don't know what environment some of you guys grew up in but this behavior has always been part of a competetive environment. I've seen and been a part of this from the playground to a pick up basketball game to my last round of golf when we get heckled for playing to slowly and not taking the game "seriously". I'm continually amazed at how light weight some of you guys are. akak PM your vitriol directly at me. I kinda enjoy it.
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Originally posted by storch
this behavior has always been part of a competetive environment.
Nope. I don't buy it. It might have been true on the playground, but we're way beyond that.
I hope.
- oldman
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Arrested Development:
An abnormal state in which development has stopped prematurely.
Failure or inability to progress past a certain point of maturity; e.g. an adult with the mental capacity of a third grader would be exhibiting a form of arrested development.
Considered a form of mental retardation.
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Y'all look the same to me.
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Originally posted by Oldman731
Nope. I don't buy it. It might have been true on the playground, but we're way beyond that.
I hope.
- oldman
well that's what makes a horse race then isn't it.
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Originally posted by TheBug
Y'all look the same to me.
ja, well who asked you?
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first off this post has went way out of controll.
it has been hijacked.
it really needs to be locked closed deleted what ever
last no matter what anyone says this arena will grow. there are to many people that care about this arena to let it go to waste. to many people that are there making new things up to catch peoples eye and lure them in. storch nothing against you bro but just because you in the AvA all the dam time dont mean you are Mr AvA just means you dont have a life outside the game. no problem with that. i dont as well. BUT what have you done for the arena. we have lots of folks that are here nonstop working on this arena fixing it making new maps for us to enjoy. 200 smack talk is going to happen no matter what. i know that and understand that, but you do have to draw a line. friendly smack is understandable. smack talk cause you aint got a kill all day understandable but any further really is just not needed. LETS KEEP THIS ARENA BETTER THEN THE MA WANT THE MA SMACK GO TO THE MA THEN NOT THE AvA.
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nope, I'm mr AvA, sorry you're wrong on that count. however if you want you can be mr AvA jr. :D
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Do you guys see a link to the Axis VS Allies on the left? Does it work?
http://ahevents.org/site/
If not you might need to sign up for the events site.
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Originally posted by daddog
Do you guys see a link to the Axis VS Allies on the left? Does it work?
http://ahevents.org/site/
If not you might need to sign up for the events site.
Yup, I saw it daddog.
Mark
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Did anyone else notice that Storch(ita) & AkAk(osphere) have PET names for each other?
So is gonna be a Spring wedding ?:D
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well both of yous need to read that part on AvA from daddogs link
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
well both of yous need to read that part on AvA from daddogs link
well perhaps you should start a new thread.
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Originally posted by Sweet2th
Did anyone else notice that Storch(ita) & AkAk(osphere) have PET names for each other?
So is gonna be a Spring wedding ?:D
this is a classic example of how a flame fest is started. would you like me to point my wit in your direction?
:D
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Originally posted by storch
this is a classic example of how a flame fest is started. would you like me to point my wit in your direction?
:D
Are you sure thats how it is started? You just go right ahead for i am not bothered by your childish rantings.You just keep diggin that hole Mr.Awesome.
btw-- does the hotel room you & akak got have internet?
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boy that was a quick response for an "I'm not bothered person" why are you picking a fight?
:D
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Originally posted by storch
boy that was a quick response for an "I'm not bothered person" why are you picking a fight?
:D
I woke up, started my computer, checked mail & responded.Then i searched the forum, went to close my e-mail & low & behold you have already responded.
You really need to try better tactic for the ones your using now do not work on me.You keep thinkin & you might come up with somethin better, i know you can(the wittle storchie that could).
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Originally posted by storch
...Blah, blah...
number three. sportsmanlike conduct? oh you mean like when you and most of your squad line up in easymode rides hang out over your ack and repeatedly HO other players from in line astern? the last time you guys were on I counted five consecutive HOs and not one round landed. sir, please spare me your drama.
...blah blah
My mistake about the "Storch wants to keep it small" claim. I hadn't read your post for a while, and referred to it from memory. I got it wrong, I misrepresented you, and I apologize.
Now == Leave the squad out of it.
Firstly, that "drama" never happened. I don't line up to HO. I prefer far better odds than 50/50, as you may recall from our EW fight a few months ago. (You know, where you tried to jump my TBM in your C202, and I shot you down?)
Secondly, my squaddies play for the fun of the game, and we haven't tried to develop the refined cooperation some squads use. Some might HO, though I haven't seen them do it much myself.
Thirdly, we have players at all levels of skill. Some probably don't have the ACM you'd expect from your squad. If you want the Mongrels to go elsewhere, just say so....
You're really kind to SonDog. Is there any particular reason you cant extend that to others?
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well let's analize this a minute. maybe you can show me where I'm wrong here.
you start with the following:
Did anyone else notice that Storch(ita) & AkAk(osphere) have PET names for each other?
So is gonna be a Spring wedding ?
I don't see the reason for the that personal attack (smiley aside of course) given that no one has said anything about you or to you could one not easily construe this to be yet another personal attack?
why drag akak into it?
I don't get it.
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Storch has never been directly rude to me so *shrug*. I had a pretty decent time last night getting killed by him a couple of times and we exchanged
's and went our merry ways.
That said I'll never be a smack talker even if I magically turn into some uber pilot. It's not my style. When people talk smack at me I just turn on my dog ears and hear 'blahblahblahblahblah'.
As far as 332n'd hugging ack and ho'ing I haven't seen anybody doing it so I can't speak to it but it would suprise me if any of our regs or new guys were doing so as a matter of habit. You sure you don't have us confused with some guys that happened to be on at the time Storch?
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sondog is a child, he is also an excellent player. why would I be unkind to one such as he? sondog is exactly the type of player the AvA sorely needs.
forgive me if I don't recall that memorable moment when you shot me down. I get shot down so often that I don't keep a log. but wtg, gk!
with regard to your squad and any squad, we all have different skill levels represented in our respective squads. our squad recruits from the new players who gravitate to LW rides and we coax them along. I would venture that 50% of our active roster are new guys. we also have players that HO. we encourage these players with both positive and negative re-enforcement to apply ACM techniques to defeat the HO. we make strident effort to bring all the members of our squad up to our squad's standard of play which is to be competent as an individual and effective as a team member. while success is a journey and not a destination (pardon the platitude) I believe we are successful at that.
regarding your squad, heavens no!! please do stay in the AvA. play anyway you like as is your prerogative but don't expect a christmas from me as you guys circle your ack waiting for the next opportunity to HO.
on my more frustrated days I jab on 200. I'm the guy that tosses his putter into the water hazard after horseshoeing a character builder. I'm mad at me mostly.
lastly if I'm a thorn in your side and a detriment to your particular game but you like the arena why not simply squelch me?
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
Storch has never been directly rude to me so *shrug*. I had a pretty decent time last night getting killed by him a couple of times and we exchanged 's and went our merry ways.
That said I'll never be a smack talker even if I magically turn into some uber pilot. It's not my style. When people talk smack at me I just turn on my dog ears and hear 'blahblahblahblahblah'.
As far as 332n'd hugging ack and ho'ing I haven't seen anybody doing it so I can't speak to it but it would suprise me if any of our regs or new guys were doing so as a matter of habit. You sure you don't have us confused with some guys that happened to be on at the time Storch?
what? me be confused? absolutely. since you only get the tag of the guy who gets the kill it's easy to be. I will say this and I won't name names because I like them both tremendously but there are two players from your squad that always always always almost auger in attempts to come around for a HO and usually as I'm engaged with another player. yes it's the dread Ho/pick. I just endeavor to become more competent in dodging their excellent HO'n abilities but they routinely get me (see my tossing the putter story).
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Originally posted by storch
what? me be confused? absolutely. since you only get the tag of the guy who gets the kill it's easy to be. I will say this and I won't name names because I like them both tremendously but there are two players from your squad that always always always almost auger in attempts to come around for a HO and usually as I'm engaged with another player. yes it's the dread Ho/pick. I just endeavor to become more competent in dodging their excellent HO'n abilities but they routinely get me (see my tossing the putter story).
:noid
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I remember back in AW the full realism arena always had just a few people in it. Then one night our squad went over to try it out. We talked a few other squads into it and before long, it was the place to be.
Maybe we should work on our squads to go there and play instead of the MA. Who knows..just maybe.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I remember back in AW the full realism arena always had just a few people in it. Then one night our squad went over to try it out. We talked a few other squads into it and before long, it was the place to be.
Maybe we should work on our squads to go there and play instead of the MA. Who knows..just maybe.
This can be an excellent idea. If you can get two squads on different sides, it works great. Even if there's only one squad, it works fine if everyone else joins the other side.
The problem - which we used to see, back in the day - arises when there's just one squad there, with overwhelming numbers, and members who won't switch sides.
But I think we'd all really welcome the chance to see how it works, so bring 'em in, Filth.
- oldman