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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DREDger on February 06, 2007, 12:11:18 PM
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The military accuses 1st Lt. Ehren Watada, 28, of Honolulu, of refusing to ship out with his unit and conduct unbecoming an officer for accusing the Army of war crimes and denouncing the administration for conducting an "illegal war" founded on "lies."
I have to wonder what this guy was thinking when he joined the army in the first place. The president sends troops, the congress even authorized it, what part of following orders doesn't he understand.
Hope he has to break big rocks in Levenworth.
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kansas is flat, no big rox there
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Originally posted by DREDger
[BI have to wonder what this guy was thinking when he joined the army in the first place. [/B]
his recruiter talked about great career, good pay, free education, retirement after 20 yrs, free medical for life.
nobody said anything about going to WAR. :O
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not too far from the truth John. some people cant see past the ends of the noses...
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Originally posted by Airscrew
not too far from the truth John. some people cant see past the ends of the noses...
Then maybe it's better that their gene pool is stopped. :D
DO NOT take me seriously on that.
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Perhaps you all should acquaint yourselves with the findings of the Nuremberg trials. The only thing keeping Bush et. al. from a court room is the fact that might makes right currently in the world.
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Perhaps you all should acquaint yourselves with the findings of the Nuremberg trials. The only thing keeping Bush et. al. from a court room is the fact that might makes right currently in the world.
I see, so you are now comparing our government with the Nazi's :aok
You have the right to be against the war, protest it, write your congressman, whatever.
What you don't have the right to do is be in the military and not follow orders, unless those orders unlawful, ie executing prisoners, civilians. This Lt. was not being ordered to do that, he is being ordered to deploy with his unit to Iraq.
He has choices, he could have not joined the military and taken a paycheck, which he has. He could apply for concientious objector, which he has not. What you say up there is crap.
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Originally posted by john9001
his recruiter talked about great career, good pay, free education, retirement after 20 yrs, free medical for life.
nobody said anything about going to WAR. :O
You forgot the condo's :rofl
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Kansas has many rocks. Even if they didn't they could import some without much trouble.
This idiot deserves some serious prison time.
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Even if Kansas didnt have rocks, we have the technology to make rocks. So He could make the rocks, then break them up, and then make them again. could keep him real busy for say 20 years? :cool:
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I've lived in Kansas for 48 years. We have rocks. We have flat areas. We have hills and valleys. They are just not big enough to be mountains. If this guy would happen to run out of rocks, we happen to have highways too, so trucks could bring some in.
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Let him work in the fields and do the job that REAL Americans don't want to do,
since it seems that he does not believe in this country. But first they will have to brainwash him and make him forget how to speak English.
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Well, they may have rocks in Kansas, but I don't think anyone in the USDB will be breaking any....sorry to disappoint :)
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you could build a conveyor belt to bring in rocks from the Rockies to kansas.
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I could respect him if he plead guilty. In other words, take his lumps and not try to hide behind wether he thought the war was "illegal" or not. Thats not a call that a junior officer gets to make, and he knew that when he signed up. I have no sympathy for those that sign on the dotted line and then complain the military wants to send them into combat, its not a social club. Dont join the army if you might be offended by what they do with you. In any case, there is no chance he will be aquitted, and a smart legal counsel should have told him that. He would have been better to just fall on his sword and beg the courts mercy than make them go through a trial, but I get the feeling it was his call.
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Whatever happened to shooting cowards in the Military? Too many ******* bleeding hearts in this country.
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Muhammad Ali refused to report to the draft, he did jail time. I don't agree with Ali not going into the army, but i respect his taking the punishment for it like a man.
i don't think this guy will go to jail, i think they will give him a dishonorable discharge which will screw up his chances for employment in the real world.
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Don't count on that John. Doing the wrong thing in todays society rewards people like that.
To me there is a BIG difference between joining the military on your own free will and being drafted.
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you may be right, a DD on your resume would get you a job at the DNC.
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Just a point here. If things go the way I expect and hope they do, watanada won't be addressed as Lt. He'll be addressed as convict and pvt.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Just a point here. If things go the way I expect and hope they do, watanada won't be addressed as Lt. He'll be addressed as convict and pvt.
Insert emotocon clapping hands.....
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Looks like he has a strong lineage of radishs in his family. His father also refused to serve in Viet Nam.
Furthermore, Ehren Watada (and I won't mention rank, because he doesn't deserve the title) commissioned after graduating college in 2003, claiming that after 9/11 he was motivated "out of a desire to protect our country."
prettythangHOLE. You Commissioned and branched into the United States Army as an Armor Officer, during a war. What did you think was going to happen.
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Originally posted by culero
Well, they may have rocks in Kansas, but I don't think anyone in the USDB will be breaking any....sorry to disappoint :)
No but he'll get to do cool stuff like mowing Ft. Leavenworth's public grounds in the blazing July sun of Kansas.
He won't be having that much fun.
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Ehren Watada is nothing more than a Peni$ Wrinkle....
When things get hard, he disappears...
Worthless Sniveling Embryo....
I made my Privates Tough and Hard...No Wrinkles in my Platoon.
Mac
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Alot of very strong words from the non-serving, and from the REMFs. Like in the Jane Fonda post, the few combat veterans of this board posted subdued messages, none of it filled with the hate of those who have never seen war.
Watada made the mistake of joing the military to protect his country. Had he joined for other reasons, such as glory seeking, ticket punching, or career advancement, he would not have run into such trouble.
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irrespectively of the reason behind his decision to join, he did and therefore is legally obligated to fulfill his contract obligations. what we need is another general patton to handle these few but highly publizided/exploited by the leftist media human interested stories. a nice sized 12 boot partly inserted into mr watada's putoot is what this situation calls for.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Alot of very strong words from the non-serving, and from the REMFs. Like in the Jane Fonda post, the few combat veterans of this board posted subdued messages, none of it filled with the hate of those who have never seen war.
Watada made the mistake of joing the military to protect his country. Had he joined for other reasons, such as glory seeking, ticket punching, or career advancement, he would not have run into such trouble.
His motivation to join is immaterial. He did join. He did swear an oath. It is not a jr officers place to question national policy or to decide what theater he will fight or delpoy in. It was his job to obey the orders of the officers placed over him as long as those orders conform to UCMJ parameters. He disobeyed those orders. It's time for him to accept the penalty for his lack of ability to comply with his obligations.
This statement makes no sense whatsoever.
Originally posted by AquaShrimp Watada made the mistake of joing the military to protect his country. Had he joined for other reasons, such as glory seeking, ticket punching, or career advancement, he would not have run into such trouble.
What possible impact does any of these alleged "motivations" have on obeying orders and reporting for duty? How would any of these "motivations" excused his conduct?
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^ what he said.
Also, here is an exerpt from the oath officers take before becoming commissioned.
that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter
In todays headlines, the defence has been barred by the judge from brining in experts to question the 'legality' of the war to begin with.
This guy is in deep doo doo. How absurd and what a waste, of all the things he could do, he joins the army instead and pulls this.
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watada has screwed up on so many different levels here. There is way more going on than meets the eye. I bet a book deal is in the works. Plus both his parents were active protestors against the vietnam war. I think watada may be a cultivated subverter.
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2003560267_watada7m0.html
edit: they are reporting today a delay in the trial. Apparently there is a dispute over evidence and the possibility of a mistrial.
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Gen Patton would have called him a coward not a "war protester".
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Does seem kindof fishy doesn't it Yeager. Like he didn't join or take the oath w/o reservations, but intended to do this all along as soon as the inevitable orders to Iraq came. I hope the prosecution quashes the book deal in the future, like they did to the Walker Talaban guy.
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They just called a mistrial on this one...jeez due process is so inconvenient.
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The guy went to OCS after the Iraq War had started. Like I said before, he is a complete fool to think he would be safe from deployement as an Armor Officer.
What a waste of you ask me...Hundreds of overly qualified gentlemen(and women) competing for his spot in OCS, to be shot down with a FQ-NS, and this dweeb gets through.
Fine....This guy wants out? Let him out I say. Only after he pays back the DOD all the money spent on him throughout training, without help from sean penn or anyother hollywood prettythanghole.
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Originally posted by DREDger
They just called a mistrial on this one...jeez due process is so inconvenient.
Mistrial does not equate to an acquittal. I have not been privy to the process in his case but wouldn't be overly concerned at this point. The defense will look for any reason to scuttle the process and get charges reduced.
Your comment is nice and cryptic. It's open to multiple interpretations. Are you saying you support this individual?
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Friggin Lueys