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Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Saxman on February 06, 2007, 08:48:52 PM
Here's a thought:

Why not make tracers on/off a loadout option in the hangar?

I know a lot of guys have mentioned wanting to be able to set tracers on or off per plane/vehicle. By making the option set in the hangar, rather than flight options, it would allow people to do that (just like, for example, certain planes I fly defaulted as "attack" sorties).
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Benny Moore on February 06, 2007, 08:52:44 PM
Excellent idea!  I support it.
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: cav58d on February 06, 2007, 08:55:42 PM
I like the idea too.  Sure, go into the clipboard and do it there........But is that the most appropriate place considering what the hangar offers?  Furthermore, I'd really like to see the option of changing tracer color....Red/Green.
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Fianna on February 06, 2007, 10:37:55 PM
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Originally posted by cav58d
Furthermore, I'd really like to see the option of changing tracer color....Red/Green.



It'd be like Star Wars!! ;)
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Krusty on February 06, 2007, 10:51:50 PM
I **LOVE** the idea of putting the tracker click-box in the hangar!!

Some aircraft I wouldn't mind having it (when I use 30mm in a 109, the yak9t, and a few others) but most I need to have it off. It's too much of a hassle to go in and turn it on/off all the time, so I go without.

I'm not keen on changing the color of the tracer (as you don't often see the tracer as much as the smoke trail behind it!)
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: B@tfinkV on February 06, 2007, 11:01:14 PM
the colour would be that of the smoke trail, the tracer round would just give off a coloured trail rather than a white one.


tracers in hanger idea :aok
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Krusty on February 06, 2007, 11:18:04 PM
I could be wrong, but I think the color on the tracer is the color the bullet glows after exiting the barrel. I don't think that changes the color of the smoke trails (and I think only cannon should have smoke trails).

At least, from seeing 30cal and 50cal MGs being fired in film footage, you often just see the glowing bullet streak itself, without anything behind it.
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Keiler on February 07, 2007, 01:31:56 AM
Yep, tracer color depends on the tracer-compound, different chemicals were used. Its really the light emitted from the compound burning, not the smoke trail (usual MGs dont really have a visible smoketrail).

I also support the hangar option! Colors would be an awesome addition. Well maybe set it to historical data, depending on the plane you fly.

Also, currently we have pretty much low vis uni-color tracers, given current technology in computers, it shouldnt be too difficult to have them glow? I.e. bright center-dot and colored "aura"? That would be sweet!

Regards,
Matt

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MUAHAHAHA!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyF0G7g4KfY)
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: B@tfinkV on February 07, 2007, 04:09:44 AM
ok, got it.



that heli vid is just obscene. :t
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: croduh on February 07, 2007, 04:26:36 AM
Totally support this.
Title: Re: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Nilsen on February 07, 2007, 06:52:01 AM
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Originally posted by Saxman

Why not make tracers on/off a loadout option in the hangar?


:aok
Title: Re: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Lye-El on February 07, 2007, 08:53:27 AM
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Originally posted by Saxman

I know a lot of guys have mentioned wanting to be able to set tracers on or off per plane/vehicle.


Rodger that. I want tracers on in an Osti but off in field guns. I always forget to switch when the hangers get bombed out.
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: hubsonfire on February 07, 2007, 12:20:53 PM
I like this one.
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Kweassa on February 07, 2007, 05:04:01 PM
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Also, currently we have pretty much low vis uni-color tracers, given current technology in computers, it shouldnt be too difficult to have them glow? I.e. bright center-dot and colored "aura"? That would be sweet!


 Let's hope HTC makes some more use of pixel shading.
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Spikes on February 07, 2007, 05:24:28 PM
I'm all for the tracer idea....It takes too long to go into the clipboard.

:aok
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: morfiend on February 07, 2007, 05:31:22 PM
Geeze, I just mentioned this a week or two ago.I'd really like it to be a keystroke command,map a key to toggle on or off.Even better would be to be able to set what guns you'd like tracers on,ie MG's or just the 30 mm as opposed to tracers set "on" for all guns. Setting this up in hanger is good tho,maybe could be done with convergence setting mode:aok
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: AWwrgwy on February 07, 2007, 11:33:28 PM
What about setting tracers per plane like the way gun sights are chosen per plane.  Just on or off per model aircraft.  I don't think the "these 2 guns have tracers, this one doesn't" model would be feasible.



wrngway
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Keiler on February 08, 2007, 03:21:58 AM
Why not?

AFAIK the pilots had some influence on how their belts would be stacked, how many tracers per other ammo etc.

Though pure luxury, I would even go so far to have the player decide how many rounds between tracers.

Of course this would make an overhaul of the damage calculation necessary...

So, I'd like to have just the on/off setting for each plane/GV option in hangar for now!  :aok

Matt
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Benny Moore on February 08, 2007, 07:35:03 AM
Indeed, many United States fighters had only one gun on each side running tracer.
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: MOIL on February 10, 2007, 08:40:14 PM
In WWII I didn't know pilots could toggle ON & OFF tracers from the cockpit.
Then again I don't know "that" much about too many WWII A/C

Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Benny Moore on February 10, 2007, 08:42:51 PM
Of course they couldn't.  That doesn't happen in game, and no one's asking for it.
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Odee on February 15, 2007, 09:02:31 AM
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Excellent idea!  I support it.


Ditto! :aok  :aok

Despite the fact I rarely use tracers anyway, it's an idea who's time is long over due.

Now about the 1 gun-2 gun tracer load bs... you can't have your cake and eat it too.  Either you show tracers, or you don't.  

There was a WW2 squadron CO, whose name I unfortunately forget, that made it mandatory No Tracers Loaded in the groups fighters.  This did two things; 1. Gave the pilot a second chance to shoot an unsuspecting enemy if the first shots missed.  and 2. Made better gunners out of the squadron, because of the inherent inaccuracy that tracers present the shooter.  

He also made sure every pilot spent time on the Skeet range when not flying, to improve deflection/lead gunnery.  Hey can we have SKEET RANGES in the game?
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Benny Moore on February 15, 2007, 11:15:09 AM
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Originally posted by Odee
Now about the 1 gun-2 gun tracer load bs... you can't have your cake and eat it too.  Either you show tracers, or you don't.


I don't see how you can call this "bravo sierra," seeing as how it was standard practice.  I don't know of many U.S. ships that used tracers on all guns.  Mostly just the inner two guns ran tracers every fourth or fifth round.
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Odee on February 15, 2007, 12:30:29 PM
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
I don't see how you can call this "bravo sierra," seeing as how it was standard practice.  I don't know of many U.S. ships that used tracers on all guns.  Mostly just the inner two guns ran tracers every fourth or fifth round.


You miss the point.  Either you are using tracers, or you are not.  Doesn't matter how many guns you use them in, it's the fact that you are using them period.  

Tracers alert the enemy that somebody is shooting at them...  Oh why explain?

Do this:  Go to training arena with a buddy.  One of you use tracers and the other not.  Go a few rounds and then compare notes on at what point you started evasive manuevers.  Was it when you saw tracers, or before?

If you know your convergence, then you shouldn't need tracers to tell you where your bullets are going to land.  Just takes practice.
Title: Tracer option in hangar
Post by: Odee on February 15, 2007, 04:18:05 PM
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Originally posted by Krusty
I could be wrong, but I think the color on the tracer is the color the bullet glows after exiting the barrel. I don't think that changes the color of the smoke trails (and I think only cannon should have smoke trails).

At least, from seeing 30cal and 50cal MGs being fired in film footage, you often just see the glowing bullet streak itself, without anything behind it.


Mostly, different colors were used by certain nations for certain calibers.  I dimly recall the Germans used green for the 20mm and 30mm.  White for MG's.

Heard of Orange, Red, and even a bluish color on more, but can't verify that. :D