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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GtoRA2 on February 08, 2007, 04:05:59 PM
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So on lunch heading to get Chilis baby back ribs, and some radio show was playing some quotes from Hillary.
Including the one she recently made about the oil industry.
Here is the quote:
The Democrats know what needs to be done. Again, we're working trying to try push this agenda forward. The other day the oil companies reported the highest profits in the history of the world. I want to take those profits and I want to put them into a strategic energy fund that will begin to fund alternative, smart energy; alternatives and technology that will begin to actually move us toward the direction of independence
Her web page already has some spin and a feedback window on the subject.
The spins is "some of the money".
Taking a corporations profits, that it made legally, and was already taxed on sounds like the first step of the government taking over the oil industry.
Sounds like socialism to me.
I think she just stepped in it big time. Clintons page (http://www.hillaryclinton.com/)
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Taking a corporations profits, that it made legally, and was already taxed on sounds like the first step of the government taking over the oil industry.
An outrage I say!!!
Those poor oil companies.
I say annex em all, and put the CEO's to work at Burger King.
Theiving, polluting, robber barons.
Then, I have no strong feelings on it at all.
Regards,
hap
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Originally posted by Hap
An outrage I say!!!
Those poor oil companies.
I say annex em all, and put the CEO's to work at Burger King.
Theiving, polluting, robber barons.
Then, I have no strong feelings on it at all.
Regards,
hap
Fine. Choose not to use their products.
Their success is still based off of your choice.
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I don't feel it's right to TAKE (err STEAL) money from anyone. Just because the oil companies extort money from the masses does not give the government the right to take it from the oil companies. What needs to be done is to put a reasonable cap on gas prices. But of course the Fed's will never do anything to help the masses. It sounds like all the democrats want is to use that money for their own pet projects.
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Originally posted by Xargos
I don't feel it's right to TAKE (err STEAL) money from anyone. Just because the oil companies extort money from the masses does not give the government the right to take it from the oil companies. What needs to be done is to put a reasonable cap on gas prices. But of course the Fed's will never do anything to help the masses. It sounds like all the democrats want is to use that money for their own pet projects.
The oil companies don't extort money from anyone. At any time you can choose not to buy gas. Be it that you want to ride your bike from now on, or that you think they charge too much.
Just don't buy it. Your voting power in that company is your wallet. Express your vote!
Btw, capping the price on ANYTHING is one of the worst economic moves you can do. See: Carter Administration.
You turn to the government really quickly for a libertarian too...
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(http://pcspray.com/pics/hillary.jpg)
Better :aok
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What needs to be done is to put a reasonable cap on gas prices. But of course the Fed's will never do anything to help the masses.
For that to happen you would have to nationalize and socialize the oil industry. Unfortunately, most of the profits and the bulk of gasoline prices are at the crude oil level. A gas price that would be “reasonable” to the average Escalade driver would likely be below the world market production price for refined gasoline since a typical gross margin on gasoline at rack to retail is roughly 10 cents or so. Thus, our tax dollars would have to subsidize gasoline production, or have alarming shortages of fuel since we can't substantially influence the cost of Crude at the world market level (Except by our demand, which we can influence by our driving and automotive choices) and we cant rely on oue anemic domestic production.
Just look to the gasoline supply crunch (cant get gas today for me, I have an even numbered last digit and it’s odd numbers only today!) and higher overall prices of the 1970s for what happens with price controls. Even diehard consumer watchdog groups don’t want price controls. If we relied only on domestic production our economy would deflate.
We are in a demand driven supply cycle, due to high US motor fuel consumption and the growing markets in China and India. You want lower gas prices? Stop buying Chinese junk, demand a level playing field with international trade agreements so we reduce our dangerous trade deficit to natural competition levels, and drive more fuel efficient cars like we drove between the time reality set in 1973 and we forgot about reality in the mid “future’s so bright” 1990s.
Charon
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Lasersailor, not everything in life is black or white, there is allot of gray. I only support the Libertarians because they are neither Republican nor Democrat. If and when they become corrupt as those two groups then I will stand against them as well.
P.S. I can't stand the Green Party. People who feel a tree is worth more then a human life is an idiot.
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There must be a way of keeping fuel prices at a level where people still look for another fuel source and not put a burden on the truck drivers of this country. Look at diesel prices compared to reg fuel, something is wrong there.
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Fuel is too important a resource to be managed by companies who only have one motive- profit.
Want to see the U.S. stay ahead of China? Develop an alternative fuel source!
Want to see middle-eastern countries who hate the U.S. lose their ability to wage war? Develop an alternative fuel source!
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Fuel is too important a resource to be managed by companies who only have one motive- profit.
Want to see the U.S. stay ahead of China? Develop an alternative fuel source!
Want to see middle-eastern countries who hate the U.S. lose their ability to wage war? Develop an alternative fuel source!
I agree with you, but for now I am worried about the truck drivers. If they have to pay more for fuel I pay more for food. I have no control over which gas station they use.
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Originally posted by Xargos
There must be a way of keeping fuel prices at a level where people still look for another fuel source and not put a burden on the truck drivers of this country. Look at diesel prices compared to reg fuel, something is wrong there.
There is. It's called SUPPLY AND ****ING DEMAND. Cmon, am I the only one here? Is this Mike on?
When the supply becomes too short, then the cost of alternative fuel sources will become more likeable.
OR, you can stop demanding so much gasoline. IF the demand goes down, the cost goes down.
Until then, stop claiming you're a libertarian. You're actually a democrat.
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Which oil company do you own, or are you one of the many people they are always paying off?
P.S. I don't remember reading anywhere that the Libertarians supported extortion.
P.P.S. And what's with all the name calling? You have no idea where I stand on other issues. Just because I don't agree with you on this subject does not mean you should categorize me in the extreme opposite of your view.
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It's not extortion! It's free enterprise! At any time you have the choice to buy or not buy gas. No one forces you to buy gas.
And that one issue is enough to call you a democrat.
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Anytime I go to the grocery store I am supporting the oil companies. I have to pay the oil companies in order to eat. THAT IS EXTORTION.
P.S. Just like having to belong to a union in order to work is EXTORTION.
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NO. NO NO NO!
CMon Xargos, this isn't a fricking IQ test. No one holds a gun to your head and tells you, "You will drive your car. You WILL buy gas."
Any choice to drive, any choice to buy gas IS ENTIRELY CONTROLLED BY YOU. There is nothing stopping you from selling your car, walking or biking to the grocery store.
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Xargos pay him no mind.... every Village has its Idiot and he's ours.
:D
Mac
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I don't own a car but I have to buy groceries.
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Xargos this is the SAME N00B that states in previous threads that he doesn't do well in College but is so close to his Dean to try and Nominate a friend for the Nobel Peace Prize...
*where's my hip waders?*
He's so full of it his dreams are all in brown.
Mac
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I've tried to be nice but "No good deed goes unpunished".
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Actually, the food is delivered by semis which burn diesel, and the costs of transporting the goods is factored in with the prices the stores pay their vendors, and those costs are passed on to Xargos and his pony.
So, he does have to pay them, directly or indirectly. There is no avoiding that.
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This is why society is failing. Every single person here fails to realize that everything is a choice.
You choose to buy gas, or you don't.
If half the US stopped buying gasoline, the demand goes down and so does the price. Then the price of groceries that is affected by diesel prices goes down as well.
I'm beginning to think IQ tests in order to get a vote in US elections is a good idea.
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every one missing the point, do you really need 400 hp/15mpg to pick up the groceries.
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Sometimes I buy a lot of groceries, and you know how fast some food spoils...
If she actually advocated confiscating profits from the oil companies, essentially nationalizing them, then she's done. That's is absolute crap.
...but there may be more to the story. Let's keep an eye on this.
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If you think IQ tests mean anything then your the one who is not to bright. Last time I was tested I had a score of 135, but I have a very bad memory. Your ability to adapt has more to do with intelligence then anything else.
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I seem to remember from my economic classes that some goods have an upper (ceiling) and lower (floor) price limit. Gas could go down if people stopped buying it, but it doesn't mean that it would have to.
Also, companies maximize profits. Lets say that 100 people could afford to buy gas if it was $1 per gallon. And lets also say that only 10 people could afford to buy gus if it was $15 per gallon. It would be more profitable to set the price higher.
Its not a choice to buy gasoline in the U.S. If you want to survive, you have to pay for fuel one way or another. With very rare exception, the major 'choice' that laser keeps screaming about is to either buy gasoline or die.
Laser, you need to get your money back from the university you're going to.
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God forbid a company goes out and tries to maximize their profits.
OH THE HUMANITY.
Hitech and Skuzzy, from now on you're not allowed to make a profit. You are hereby forced to sell a subscription to aces high for 1 dollar a month.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
This is why society is failing. Every single person here fails to realize that everything is a choice.
You choose to buy gas, or you don't.
If half the US stopped buying gasoline, the demand goes down and so does the price. Then the price of groceries that is affected by diesel prices goes down as well.
/B]
unless you live less than 1.5 hours transit commute, or 1 hours walking or bicycling distance from your place of work...you dont really have a choice, not if you want to continue paying the bills anyway.
and there would be an ecenomic impact over and above the loss of oil money...
if everyone who lived with in 1.5 hours of their work stopped driving, there would be a signifigant negative effect on productivity, more people calling sick days, less profits for stores that are off transit routes etc. etc.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Sometimes I buy a lot of groceries, and you know how fast some food spoils...
If she actually advocated confiscating profits from the oil companies, essentially nationalizing them, then she's done. That's is absolute crap.
...but there may be more to the story. Let's keep an eye on this.
I remember watching a video of her speech in which she says that. It was said in no uncertain terms.
Regardless of party affiliation or group representation, any politician that beleives what she said is the right thing to do has no business being voted into congress.
I don't care what the spin is or what she may have meant to say but I feel she was wanting to garner votes by the "take from the rich give to the poor" BS that some politicians use. Since she is a politician her credibility goes down the tubes automatically as far as I'm concerned so I beleive it actually is only a bunch of sound bytes to try to be voted first woman president. I personaly think she "stepped in it" with that comment as the original poster mentioned.
Mark
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unless you live less than 1.5 hours transit commute, or 1 hours walking or bicycling distance from your place of work...you dont really have a choice, not if you want to continue paying the bills anyway.
A.) Find a closer job.
B.) Move closer.
Two simple choices. Make the choice.
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You do not live in the real world Sailor. Do you have a rich daddy who paid your way through life?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
A.) Find a closer job.
B.) Move closer.
Two simple choices. Make the choice.
I have to disagree laser, those are not often simple choices. In the real world I mean...
Mark
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The choices in themselves are simple. The repercussions are not.
And no Xargos.
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clearly mrs clinton is a leftist and a euro style socialist but to call her a nazi is a bit beyond the pail don't you think?
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i lived so close to my first job i walked to work.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The choices in themselves are simple. The repercussions are not.
Choices always include collateral effect. One does not come without the other, that's why choices are not often simple.
Mark
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
A.) Find a closer job.
B.) Move closer.
Two simple choices. Make the choice.
the way cities are set up nowadays, those arnt really viable options:
a. didnt think there was many jobs in suburbia, nor much properly zoned land for companies to build on if they wanted to continue having employees show up bright eyed, bushy tailed and on time.
b. yep, to bad unless you were one of the first to get in, the increased cost of the few available houses or apartments would eliminate that.
if suburban families wanted to live in sardine can apartments in the first place. and theres a big long list of other things that need to be considered that would elimate moving from a lot of peoples lists.
frankly the increased cost of gasoline is easier to handle than either of those choices
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The Nazi where fascist not socialist.
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Originally posted by Xargos
The Nazi where fascist not socialist.
Just curious, but you are aware of where the term "Nazi" came from, right?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
The choices in themselves are simple. The repercussions are not.
And no Xargos.
when the reprecussions for the choice is worse than what drives the choice, i would not call that a choice at all.
to go to an extreme...having a gun pointed to your head while being told to launch a nuke.
at the other end of that scale...there is having a gun pointed to your head while being told to give up your wallet.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Just curious, but you are aware of where the term "Nazi" came from, right?
you are aware that the roots of the word have absolutly nothing to do with what the party was...right?
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I haven't read this thread except for the first post. Are we calling the lefties Nazis now instead of the Righties? Come on, now.Everybody can't be Hitler.
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It sounds like hillary should have an easy time picking a running mate. There is an iondividual already doing what she is proposing. His name is chavez. I imagine they would have a compatible working relationship on a hillary chavez ticket.
lasersailer,
It's true choices are simple, in a simplistic unrealistic and perfect world. That however does not exist except perhaps in your imagination. Trying to make the choices in the manner you so cavalierly suggested could have implications far beyond a few gallons of gas.
While the idea of slowing down the flow of fuel is a nice one, there is another growing market that is snapping up fuel as fast as it can. It's called china. The gas suppliers could easily send the gas there and still make plenty of $.
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Maverick, That's why I say NUKE China? :D
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
There is. It's called SUPPLY AND ****ING DEMAND. Cmon, am I the only one here? Is this Mike on?
When the supply becomes too short, then the cost of alternative fuel sources will become more likeable.
OR, you can stop demanding so much gasoline. IF the demand goes down, the cost goes down.
Until then, stop claiming you're a libertarian. You're actually a democrat.
You have a very simplistic view of the world, don't you?
First of all, when US consumption slows, the oil companies start slowing production and closing refineries, therefore not allowing supply to outstep demand and basically setting their price. Next, there's a giant industrial country in Asia we call "China" that is sucking up every ounce of petroleum it can get its hands on. These two items make your theory of supply and demand a fairytale.
Having said that I must say that nationalizing any industry is a bad thing. The answer lies in finding a viable alternative fuel source. Unfortunately, the only way to motivate people to discover and develop an alternative is to make the current one so expensive it's painful: Painful at the pump and at the grocery store.
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Not too wrong Sluggish, but you are forgetting something.
Revenue is generated by Units Sold AND Price, not just price. While the gas companies may cut down on supply, they cannot change the Units Sold. And they make less revenue, and as such, less profit.
Still, your choices and your money are votes.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Not too wrong Sluggish, but you are forgetting something.
Revenue is generated by Units Sold AND Price, not just price. While the gas companies may cut down on supply, they cannot change the Units Sold. And they make less revenue, and as such, less profit.
Still, your choices and your money are votes.
You dream in shades of Brown don't you?
Lets see here a minute... you don't make good grades in College...which you never stated which one you attend.
You are really close to your Dean to recommend a friend for the Nobel Peace Prize.
You live in the middle of PA and go to Annapolis to sail some lil boats but yet yer too fat now to fit into a Laser.
Daddy paid yer way through Life and someday you'll actually have to work... your Biggest fear.
*can someone hand me a stick? I need to scrap this off my shoe*
Smells of Voss.
Mac
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Voss...lol
Maybe he's just swollen up from the scorpion bite.
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Originally posted by Xargos
Voss...lol
Maybe he's just swollen up from the scorpion bite.
Shows all the signs Xargo.
He attends College yet he's in the BBS most of the Day... WTF?
Never mentions dating or having a GF..... Spooky. When I was in College it's all we talked about.
:D
Mac
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Just curious, but you are aware of where the term "Nazi" came from, right?
And the soviet union was a worker paradise ?
A name is just a name.
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This thread fails the Godwin test even before the end of the title. :D
Also Lasersailor, you might want to research how much direct government support the US oil industry has received in the 60 years since FDR sat down with Ibn Saud on the USS Quincy before you whine too much about state interference.
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So if it's socialism for Hillary to steal Big oil company's money....
What is the word(ism) for the Bush administration for starting an illegal war on Iraq to steal it's Oil?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
This is why society is failing. Every single person here fails to realize that everything is a choice.
You choose to buy gas, or you don't.
If half the US stopped buying gasoline, the demand goes down and so does the price. Then the price of groceries that is affected by diesel prices goes down as well.
I'm beginning to think IQ tests in order to get a vote in US elections is a good idea.
A choice?
An IQ test?
Hey!
Got some question for you Sir!
You live in one location and work 10 or 20 miles away?
Some people, in order to afford a home, have to live much further away then that.
You gonna walk or bike all those miles every day both ways in all types of weather, snow, rain, high winds, etc... ?
Or are you gonna call in and say sorry Boss can't make it today weathers to bad!
Wonder how long you will keep your job should you do that?
When you need groceries how you gonna get em home? Let's ignore the FACT that you're paying the truck drivers' fuel cost when you buy.
Gonna tie one of those little radio flyer wagons to the back of your bike?
Or maybe drag it along behind you and walk?
That could be a long walk for some one that has to use a cane, or is in the 80's, or very young, or must take the baby along because they can't afford a setter.
Maybe you will go to the local quickie mart type store and pay their prices? And of course your diet will be restricted to only eat what they sell. And you can only use what they sell as well. (toothpaste, soap, oil, etc...)
Maybe you will pay extra and have em delivered?
That is if the store delivers.
When you need to buy cloths?
How about Doctors appointments? Dentist? What about emergency medical needs? Call an ambulance? You do that and you are buying their gas for em and STILL getting the BILL!
IMHO what you call CHOICE for many is invalid!
IMHO It just doesn't work that way for most people.
From my view point it's all LINKED!
Sure you can choose to just NOT buy fuel. But where you gonna live? How much extra will you have to pay to live close to work? You gonna maybe just do without a job? How you gonna eat? What kinda job can you get if you restrict yourself to only those you can walk to or bike to?
Just wondering.................... Do you have a FAMILY?
OH wait! Are you one of those people that subscribe to ride the bus, or go rapid transit?
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Originally posted by Xargos
The Nazi where fascist not socialist.
OOOPSSSSS
They are/were refered to as the National Socialist Party!
One of the major differences between the communist and the Nazi's was with the Nazi's you could own you business BUT they controlled IT! With the communist they owned and controlled it! The main difference between the two was the style or type of socialism.
Read up on em PLEASE!
Communist are called far left. Nazi's are called far right.
BUT BOTH are SOCIALIST in nature!
So if you put the representative republic in the middle of a governence scaled line BOTH would be to the LEFT of representative republic!
And both KNEW...........
"I think that the sacredness of human life is a purely
municipal ideal of no validity outside the jurisdiction. I
believe that force, mitigated as far as may be by good
manners, is the ultimate ratio, and between two groups of men
that want to make inconsistent kinds of world I see no remedy
except force . . . It seems to me that every society rests on
the death of men."
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes (1841-1935)
American jurist
................. they were going to FIGHT each other!
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Originally posted by wrag
A choice?
An IQ test?
Hey!
Got some question for you Sir!
You live in one location and work 10 or 20 miles away?
Some people, in order to afford a home, have to live much further away then that.
You gonna walk or bike all those miles every day both ways in all types of weather, snow, rain, high winds, etc... ?
Or are you gonna call in and say sorry Boss can't make it today weathers to bad!
Wonder how long you will keep your job should you do that?
When you need groceries how you gonna get em home? Let's ignore the FACT that you're paying the truck drivers' fuel cost when you buy.
Gonna tie one of those little radio flyer wagons to the back of your bike?
Or maybe drag it along behind you and walk?
That could be a long walk for some one that has to use a cane, or is in the 80's, or very young, or must take the baby along because they can't afford a setter.
Maybe you will go to the local quickie mart type store and pay their prices? And of course your diet will be restricted to only eat what they sell. And you can only use what they sell as well. (toothpaste, soap, oil, etc...)
Maybe you will pay extra and have em delivered?
That is if the store delivers.
When you need to buy cloths?
How about Doctors appointments? Dentist? What about emergency medical needs? Call an ambulance? You do that and you are buying their gas for em and STILL getting the BILL!
IMHO what you call CHOICE for many is invalid!
IMHO It just doesn't work that way for most people.
From my view point it's all LINKED!
Sure you can choose to just NOT buy fuel. But where you gonna live? How much extra will you have to pay to live close to work? You gonna maybe just do without a job? How you gonna eat? What kinda job can you get if you restrict yourself to only those you can walk to or bike to?
Just wondering.................... Do you have a FAMILY?
OH wait! Are you one of those people that subscribe to ride the bus, or go rapid transit?
lol Wraglet you just wasted your time to reply to him. he has the honor of being the 1st and only one on my ignore list.
in the past couple weeks, even when AWMac, Chairboy, and others tried to set him straight with the facts, like you just tried to.
it is pointless. the college kiddo "knows everything and has all the answers". I'm sure you know the type.
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Ahh OK.
Thanks Die :)
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don't kid yourself ...
there are enough dumb ppl in the country (both alive and dead) to actually vote this quack into office ...
she plans on raising and spending a record amount of $$$ to get there and with the media on her side, their marketing engine and enough stupid ppl, which the last election clearly showed exist, she has a great shot at winning it.
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Originally posted by SirLoin
So if it's socialism for Hillary to steal Big oil company's money....
What is the word(ism) for the Bush administration for starting an illegal war on Iraq to steal it's Oil?
Repubs & dems are equally useless and need to be kicked out of govt.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
It's not extortion! It's free enterprise!
No, it's called monopoly.
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someday the Big Oil Companies will be called Big Energy Companies and people will still complain about the billions of profits they make selling you Alternative Fuels.
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Originally posted by wrag
OOOPSSSSS
They are/were refered to as the National Socialist Party!
One of the major differences between the communist and the Nazi's was with the Nazi's you could own you business BUT they controlled IT! With the communist they owned and controlled it! The main difference between the two was the style or type of socialism.
Read up on em PLEASE!
Communist are called far left. Nazi's are called far right.
BUT BOTH are SOCIALIST in nature!
So if you put the representative republic in the middle of a governence scaled line BOTH would be to the LEFT of representative republic!
And both KNEW...........
"I think that the sacredness of human life is a purely
municipal ideal of no validity outside the jurisdiction. I
believe that force, mitigated as far as may be by good
manners, is the ultimate ratio, and between two groups of men
that want to make inconsistent kinds of world I see no remedy
except force . . . It seems to me that every society rests on
the death of men."
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes (1841-1935)
American jurist
................. they were going to FIGHT each other!
The NAME means nothing, you need to look up the word Fascist.
If someone called me "Shorty" does that mean I'm short?
P.S. What about the Spanish Civil War?
P.P.S. Or are you using the ying-yang concept that if you bring opposites to the extreme they become the same?
P.P.P.S. And what about abortion clinics that never perform abortions, but are owned by religious zealots who are only trying to trick people into coming in? Are they abortion clinics?
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Ok... there is some choice.. you can drive a car like one of mine that gets 12 mpg or... a prenus that gets 60... either way.. we need to find an alternative fuel source.
In the meantime... we need to explore for, and refine more crude to fuel the vehicles we have at a reasonable price. As the cheap crude goes away...and... as we progress we will find new ways to power cars and power plants and heat homes but..
What everyone needs to realize is that the hillary democrats have raised the price of fuel and food and everything that goes with oil prices far more than anything the mean old oll companies with their 7-9% profit margin have done...
The democrats have shut down the building of new refineries with outrageous environmental rules... they have shut down exploration and drilling for domestic oil... they have been against nuke power plants from the beggining..
The rise in cost for diesel right now... a huge 30-100% rise from now till it ends... has nothing to do with the oil companies... it is democrat mandated low sulfur restrictions.. the most stringent in the world by far.
lastly.... hillary doesn't want to cap prices and take away profit so that we all get a break at the pump... under her administration prices would continue to rise... she would merely use the profit to increase government spending and...
as is their track record... they would make oil supplies even more rare and thus... more expensive.
You can hate the oil companies for being rich but it won't solve the problem.. the problem is caused by a dwindling supply of easy to get crude and most of all...
it is caused by the democrats making sure that it stays expensive and rare.
If you vote for a democrat... you will be driving a prenus that gets 60 mpg but you will be paying twice as much for the gas.. things won't get better for anyone but the democrat politicians and the big government guys.
I can't believe people who claim such high IQ's can't see this when it is right in front of their noses.
lazs
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and...as for the national socialism comment?
Of course it is accurate. we could test it right here. everyone on this board tell us some for of enterprise that is so important that it has to be "regulated" by the government.. run by the government..
health care? schools? oil prices? by the time we are done the list will exceed the control nazi germany had over production.
democrats realize what selfish, wimpy, greedy little twits we are and are simply playing on that.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
democrats realize what selfish, wimpy, greedy little twits we are and are simply playing on that.
lazs
you left out ... lazy. they want something for nothing just because the guy who can afford it, ie worked for it, has one ...
and it is working well for them
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Originally posted by SirLoin
So if it's socialism for Hillary to steal Big oil company's money....
What is the word(ism) for the Bush administration for starting an illegal war on Iraq to steal it's Oil?
We stole/are stealing Iraq's oil?
Link please?
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Repubs & dems are equally useless and need to be kicked out of govt.
And replaced with....?
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Originally posted by Donzo
And replaced with....?
Do you feel so strongly about the current ruling parties that you hinge your support of them on the "They're better than nothing" platform?
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Choices, so I guess there shouldn't be a problem with Joe Kennedy getting oil from Chavez.
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National Socialism doesn't have to mean Nazi. Lighten up people.
And forget Lazertard as others have said, he is a waste of time. Maybe in a few years he will see how bad he comes off on these forums and change his handle like Mrblack. Or he will go even more wack job and take pot shots at the government with a real rifle.
I am betting he grows up a bit first. Maybe when he meets a chick he will forget it.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
No, it's called monopoly.
Even monopolies are subject to the laws of supply and demand.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Do you feel so strongly about the current ruling parties that you hinge your support of them on the "They're better than nothing" platform?
No.
Kicking the dems and reps out of gov means that you have to fill the void with something. What's to say that something would be any different than what we have now? Those "somethings" are someones and those someones are politicians...all politicians are pretty much the same when it comes to being a politician.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Even monopolies are subject to the laws of supply and demand.
If you count the fact that they can manipulate supply thereby creating demand... well.
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Calling Hillary a Nazi is a insult to the Nazi.
P.S. This does not mean I'm a Nazi, all I'm saying is she is lower then one.
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Bigotry and ignorance abounds.
From the Aslyum,
hap
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Originally posted by SirLoin
So if it's socialism for Hillary to steal Big oil company's money....
What is the word(ism) for the Bush administration for starting an illegal war on Iraq to steal it's Oil?
Show me one... just one piece of evidence that the US is stealing Iraqi oil.
Just one shred of evidence... ONE.
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I really wonder what would happen in the US if gas had the same prize as in most of Europe. Ponder on it for a moment, - quadruple gas price because of taxing. (I must pay almost 2 $ for a LITER where I live)
You'd have the government sucking in insane amounts of money.
You'd have people VERY unhappy.
You'd have life standards dropping.
That said, this is what many others do. Where I live, Esso still makes a lot of money none the less, where there is a will, there is a way.
The government sucks in a lot of money, - this money in our case where distances are great and inhabitants are few gets targeted on the roads.
People still think it's to frigging expensive, but live with it.
Life standards adapt for that factor, since the money isn't gone, only rerouted and is still in the system. So, Euro standard of living is mostly in league with the US, some are better off despite this. But you still think twice before using a tank to go to the store 400 metres away....
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Originally posted by straffo
And the soviet union was a worker paradise ?
A name is just a name.
So you're ok with equating French with surrender monkeys then? After all it's just a name......
:p JK :p