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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Mustaine on February 09, 2007, 12:43:29 AM
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070209/ap_on_hi_te/emi_unprotected_music
EMI is possibly looking into selling it's library in MP3 format with no DRM protection.
if they do choose to do this, it may start a swing in the DRM world, depending on how consumers react (which I personally think will be very positive)
I don't have and never have bought a song from iTunes, and never will, based solely on the fact you can't play the songs where, when and with what you want.
If I pay for a song, I want to use that song whenever I want, however I want (in a legal manner) If I choose to "share" that song, I should be held liable, but I should not be prevented from using the material in any legal way.
I really hope they go ahead with this, it will turn iTunes on it's ear, and hopefully release the stranglehold on music.
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Interesting article on comments from Steve Jobs concerning iTunes and removing DRM from their music sales.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17013250/from/ET/
http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/
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for some reason I think the DRM music thing is going to go bye-bye pretty soon.
the technology just isn't there to protect the music, AND let a user do whatever in a legal manner.
if DRM in music is "given up on" it will be really interesting to see how M$ responds, and how vista does.
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At its most basic level, I don't have any problem with something that prevents me from using something other than in the way I agreed when I purchased it.
The problem is not DRM per-se, but rather the way its been implemented. Its currently buggy, frequently causes you to 'loose' purchased tracks and interferes with things it shouldn't.
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All the more reason to make it go bye-bye BUT that would cause companies to admit they were wrong in some ways. I do think SOME types of DRM have their place but they are typically associated with things like computer software and such.
In fact I remember as a kid sitting beside the radio with my "boom box" waiting on certain songs so I could tape them in a completely quiet room and my little sister coming in and yelling just to screw up my tape. Then I would have to rewind and wait two or three days just for another chance.
Those were the good old days of non-interference from big music.
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Ya know, I've bought the same album on multiple formats over the years; album, cassette and CD's. I think I've paid enough to the artists I like at this point to have a free ride with the respective artists for the rest of their careers. And if they come out with a "remastered and expanded" edition of the album I already have they should send me a complimentary copy.
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Originally posted by wooley
At its most basic level, I don't have any problem with something that prevents me from using something other than in the way I agreed when I purchased it.
The problem is that there is no alternative. I'd have no problem with DRM either if there would be an alternative source for the same material but without DRM. I've decided not to buy any kind of movies or music with DRM, which leaves me with almost nothing to buy digitally. Well, it's their loss and the cr4x0r groups flourish.
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buying a CD and ripping it to mp3 myself, or buying a non-DRM mp3... sounds about the same to me. I know I'd definately buy more music if it came in non-DRM mp3 format. That's more money directly into their pockets.
I don't steal music so with me they gain only the sale price, but for those stealing the music they're essentially making twice the money. Yea it's only a buck a song unlike the BS awards they're going for in court (over a thousand bucks per stolen song) but that's still real money on a global scale, if you can convince otherwise law-abiding geeks and kids to buy instead of stealing/sharing.
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I dl (or steal if you will) music on the internet all the time. If the music is good then i buy their CD, and if its not i delete the track so it doesnt take up space and clutter my music library.
No different from finding new music on the radio really except you can find many gems that will never get enough airtime for me to catch.
There are afew bands out there that can thank illegal dl for getting my money, and then you have those who lose my money becuase I might have otherwise bought their cd but have found the songs on it to be crap so i ended up not buying it.
What im saying is that it goes both ways. If the bands deliver they get my $, and if they dont then they wont.
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Originally posted by eagl
buying a CD and ripping it to mp3 myself, or buying a non-DRM mp3... sounds about the same to me. I know I'd definately buy more music if it came in non-DRM mp3 format. That's more money directly into their pockets.
I don't steal music so with me they gain only the sale price, but for those stealing the music they're essentially making twice the money. Yea it's only a buck a song unlike the BS awards they're going for in court (over a thousand bucks per stolen song) but that's still real money on a global scale, if you can convince otherwise law-abiding geeks and kids to buy instead of stealing/sharing.
The only problem eagl is that the RIAA is trying to expand the definition of piracy to include ripping a CD to your hard drive. They think that when you buy music you are buying one physical copy that cannot be reproduced for any reason. They will strangle themselves.
I think the future will have two kinds of people: People that brainlessly feed off from whatever the big four and media can shovel at them and those who seek out independent music. You'd be surprised how much excellent stuff is out there that you will never hear on any radio.
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There is the third person. The one who has gotten so sick and tired of companies trying thier best to prevent people from using the music they prefer in a manner they prefer, that they just completely abandon all music.
I fit there. I finally got so sick of all of it, that I have taken to converting my rather large library of 30+ year old vinyls to CD.
EMI is going to fail in this endeavor. Thier competition will make sure of that. Piracy will not slow down at all (as a matter of fact, it will probably increase).
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I disagree Skuzzmeister... whoever gets the most revenue will win, no matter what the extraneous losses are.
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Eagl, you know how easy it is going to be for thier competition to kill this? Watch all EMI's catalog show up for free one day. Then ask, how did that happen? The ask why? You are a sharp guy, you'll see what I am talking about.
But I'll give ya hint. Who would benefit the most from proving piracy would kill the distribution method EMI is trying out?
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
There is the third person. The one who has gotten so sick and tired of companies trying thier best to prevent people from using the music they prefer in a manner they prefer, that they just completely abandon all music.
I fit there. I finally got so sick of all of it, that I have taken to converting my rather large library of 30+ year old vinyls to CD.
EMI is going to fail in this endeavor. Thier competition will make sure of that. Piracy will not slow down at all (as a matter of fact, it will probably increase).
Guess what Skuzzy, thanks to RIAA lbbbying in NZ you fall into the category of a pirate.
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HHHAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRR
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Originally posted by Vulcan
Guess what Skuzzy, thanks to RIAA lbbbying in NZ you fall into the category of a pirate.
Ironic, isn't it? Anout half my library of vinyls are no longer in production in any format.
Many of my vinyls have been re-mastered for CD production. Unfortunately, many also are completely different from the original vinyl master. The Beatles re-masters are some of the worse. Things like George Harrison's guitar solo in Let It Be are just gone. Same with many of Starship's cuts.
It runs the gamut, from missing background vocals, to missing instrument tracks. And all of them suffer, to some degree, some sound engineer thinking it would be cool if all bass guitar and bass drum actually caused a thump in the sub-woofer of a decent audio system.
Studio sound engineers who have never heard a live symphony in a good venue irritate me.
They want me to pony up and re-buy the music I have already purchased. Screw em. When they outlaw installing viruses (root kits, anti-this and that) on my computer just because I want to make a copy to protect my investment, then I will consider purchasing production CD's.
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They've nobody to blame but themselves.
The original reason I went so ape over Napster after it first came out was because it was possible to find songs that had been out of production for twenty years or more. Or songs that could only be purchased as part of a cd package that had fifteen more songs on it that I didn't want.
The more they tighten their grip, the more people will become involved in piracy.
HAAAARRRR!
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Originally posted by Shuckins
...The more they tighten their grip, the more people will become involved in piracy....
EXACTLY the point.
thats the whole reason I do the "naughty" things. I am NOT re-paying for young MC's full "best of" hits to get a song I own already on a cassette single I bought in grade school for $4 (for 1 SONG at that) just because I want to reminisce a bit about my youth.
I'm gonna DL the song because I already paid through the nose for it.
heck let's talk Pearl Jam's first album "Ten" for a moment. I bought the cassette back in the day, then played it to death, ruined it, bought another a few months later. then I bought it on CD when I finally got my own CD player. scratched the CD back when you couldn't fix scratched CD's without paying some guy $20 to do it at a store, and bought a second copy of the CD.
there's 1 single album I payed over $48 for overall ($9 each tape, $15 each CD)
,,|,, them if they want more money for any song off that album. I own it more than I should, and will do with it what I choose. play on my CD player, cassette player, make a hundred mix CD's with different track orders, play it on my MP3 player, play it on my computer, broadcast through my wireless thingy to my home stereo (which is not sending it anywhere else as you'd have to have the same special receiver for that brand audio devise, then run it into something via RCA plugs) or whatever else I can come up with, maybe a new MP3 player in the future once the HD dies on my current one.
all of those uses I listed above are fair usage of the song / songs I paid for, yet DRM says I can't do almost any of those.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
Many of my vinyls have been re-mastered for CD production. Unfortunately, many also are completely different from the original vinyl master. The Beatles re-masters are some of the worse. Things like George Harrison's guitar solo in Let It Be are just gone. Same with many of Starship's cuts.
They actually did that right Skuzz. The version of "Let It Be" on the 67 - 70 album is the single version (45). It had a really sucky guitar solo. In order to get the version with the good solo you have to buy the "let It Be album. I'll agree though that the CD remasters of the Beatle's album sucks though...