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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Chalenge on February 10, 2007, 12:18:58 AM
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I didnt fly safe as some do and I landed a few times with half a wing but this seems to be something Ill never repeat. It doesnt take flying at 22k either just flying smart and keeping your e up. Ended streak upon first death which was a ram.
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Nice job!
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Originally posted by Chalenge
I I landed a few times with half a wing (http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/977_1171088209_personalbest.jpg)
i don't know if P51s were soo brave in reality, but is the only plane in the game flying without a wing, and smoking over 1 sector , faster than most planes with 2 wings,
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I thought Chalenge was a no skill, cherry picking, kill stealing dweeb.
Congrats!:aok
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Originally posted by ghi
i don't know if P51s were soo brave in reality, but is the only plane in the game flying without a wing, and smoking over 1 sector , faster than most planes with 2 wings,
It's far from the only ship in the game that'll fly with half a wing gone; some ships, like the La-7, can still dogfight with one wingtip gone. And why should missing half a wing decrease speed? Wings do not make an airplane go faster.
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It's far from the only ship in the game that'll fly with half a wing gone; some ships, like the La-7, can still dogfight with one wingtip gone. And why should missing half a wing decrease speed? Wings do not make an airplane go faster.
It should decrease speed because it takes alot of control surface deflection and sometimes some flaps to keep the birds level. And alot more on landing!
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Not really. I can keep the ball centered and use no flaps to keep the ship going. All that's deflected in this situation is a little elevator and a lot of aileron.
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Benny, dont you think the elevator and aileron being deflected enough to level a plane missing half a wing would incur some inflight drag? I use rudder and aileron deflection (sideslip) all the time to slow up enough quickly to land if I dont get shot up. I believe you are mistaken if you dont think aileron and elevator being deflected wont slow a plane down. You may get the ball centered but you will not be flying 400 mph either.
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Originally posted by ghi
i don't know if P51s were soo brave in reality, but is the only plane in the game flying without a wing, and smoking over 1 sector , faster than most planes with 2 wings,
I recall Shane on a squad night a couple years back got into a fracas with myself. The funniest kill on him was when he tried nursing an oil spewing, 1/2 wing D11 home and crashing about 5 mins later (I let him go). The F6F is still an awesome plane. That night while in the Hellcat I beat shane in two La7's, two Jugs, and three Hellcats. The last four kills on him, he lost HO's in which he fired first.
The kills had a squaddie of mine at the time (Scotch) watching and crying over vox as I got him every time. Luck? maybe a little, but I think that wasn't what was the factor that night.
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Originally posted by Rondar
Benny, dont you think the elevator and aileron being deflected enough to level a plane missing half a wing would incur some inflight drag? I use rudder and aileron deflection (sideslip) all the time to slow up enough quickly to land if I dont get shot up. I believe you are mistaken if you dont think aileron and elevator being deflected wont slow a plane down. You may get the ball centered but you will not be flying 400 mph either.
Of course it will slow you down some, and it does. But the amount of drag added by one aileron being fully deflected and a tiny bit of elevator can't possibly be more than the amount of drag removed by the loss of half a wing. One thing you must realize is that the drag that usually comes from pulling back on the stick is mostly from the angle of attack, not from the elevator sticking up into the airflow. It's the wing and the body of the plane being at odds with the airflow, not just the tiny control surface. In the case of an airplane missing a wing, however, pulling back to maintain level flight won't increase the angle of attack. Therefore, the only drag caused is the relatively small amount from the elevator deflection.
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262 without wing tips flys almost 50mph faster ;)
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Typhy will manage to fight on with 1+1/2 wings.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
It's far from the only ship in the game that'll fly with half a wing gone; some ships, like the La-7, can still dogfight with one wingtip gone. And why should missing half a wing decrease speed? Wings do not make an airplane go faster.
I've RTB several times on half a wing while flying a 109. Landed once on the CV with a half wing missing on a seafire as well ( was a gears up fast landing with only tail hook down).
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Originally posted by crockett
I've RTB several times on half a wing while flying a 109. Landed once on the CV with a half wing missing on a seafire as well ( was a gears up fast landing with only tail hook down).
I fly the 109 all the time pretty much and I've found that it is one of the most stable aircraft to fly with half a wing missing.
I flew 30 miles for a gear-down landing after a collision.
The Seafire is pretty friendly with half a wing missing too. Last time I lost one I got 5 kills back with a gear-down landing on the CV. It was better than some of my no damage landings :rofl
:D
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Originally posted by crockett
I've RTB several times on half a wing while flying a 109. Landed once on the CV with a half wing missing on a seafire as well ( was a gears up fast landing with only tail hook down).
My personal favorite landing is landing on a carrier that is turning, in a P38 with 1 wing missing and 1 engine dead, missing a flap and pilot enters a blackout due to a pilot wound as you are about to touch down.
I shot down leviathn when I was missing 1 wing in a P38 and he was flying a spit8.
Ignore the fact that he wasn't paying attention, typing on 200 while I shot him from the HO position.
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Originally posted by TinmanX
Typhy will manage to fight on with 1+1/2 wings.
its not like losing an aileron in a tiffie will make much of a difference to roll rate.:aok
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Typhy's have a roll rate??
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I remember seeing a picture of a P-51 that made it back to base with some wing damage. The pilot was standing inside the massive hole in the wing, looking a bit disgusted.
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:aok (http://oops)
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I'd be inclined to be of the belief that in real life, turbulence resulting from airflow over/around the jagged edge would cause a lot more drag than any amount of control deflection used to compensate.
But how it "should be modeled" here is a subject that I wouldn't even begin to debate. There have been some pretty amazing (mind blowing) indidents in real life where aircraft have sustained what appear to be "impossible" levels of damage and were successfully piloted to a landing. (F-15 with only one wing for example.)
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Originally posted by TinmanX
Typhy's have a roll rate??
They do if you put all 1 and 1/2 wings on the same side.