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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: Serenity on February 11, 2007, 03:13:52 PM
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Well, as there is something wrong with my process, I cannot do this myself. So can some please make a Spitfire mk V with an RAF (European theatre as well) skin? Whenever I want to fly a nice RAF skin, all thats there is that purple-ish one. I went to find a specific aircraft but there were just so damned many to chose from. Basically ANY Spitfire mk V with a paintjob in the following style:
(http://www.airmuseum.ca/mag/spits2h3.jpg)(http://www.spitcrazy.com/Spitfire2Labusch.jpg)
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Default Spit V skin is the one on the right in your images.
As for RAF skins. There were different markings used by the RAF in the ETO for different periods of the war.
The default covers roughly 1941-into early 42.
BTW there are any number of very nicely done RAF ETO skins for the Mark V in the game already.
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Serenity,you are a very misunderstood individual.
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Ah. Didnt know that was our default... its not the markings that concern me its the color scheme. Either way, could someone find time to put a Spitfire like this together? Unless someone is already doing it of course...
And Kermit, why am I so misunderstood?
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Originally posted by Serenity
Ah. Didnt know that was our default... its not the markings that concern me its the color scheme. Either way, could someone find time to put a Spitfire like this together? Unless someone is already doing it of course...
And Kermit, why am I so misunderstood?
Why should anyone take the time to "put one like this together" when we already have the exact one you showed as a default? :confused: :huh
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Originally posted by Treize69
Why should anyone take the time to "put one like this together" when we already have the exact one you showed as a default? :confused: :huh
Because we have that ONE as a default. Im not asking for that exact plane, I was simply using that as an example for a color scheme.
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Originally posted by Serenity
Because we have that ONE as a default. Im not asking for that exact plane, I was simply using that as an example for a color scheme.
So which squadron are you looking for then? :)
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I feel that this thread will spiral down to nowhere.
I'm not being nice now am I. ;)
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The key to the deal is remembering that the RAF changed to the gray/green top camo when they started running ops over the channel to France.
You can see black and white photos of Spits that appear to have the brown/green camo but it's really gray. The thing that crosses folks up is that the gray green camo also for a short time used the same earlier type fuselage roundels with the wider yellow band. The far more used camo for Spit V ops from late 41 on was the gray green camo.
And from my standpoint it looks better :)
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An example of a Spit Vb from 41 with early roundels and the gray/green camo
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And another from that same time frame. This is a Spitfire Va
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And a Spit Ia that survives to this day in the same color scheme
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Originally posted by Guppy35
So which squadron are you looking for then? :)
Any one. Ive always prefered the early brown schemes, same as I prefer the earlier aircraft. I just would like a bit of diversity instead of having to chose between default and... well... default. Im just hoping someone out there is looking for an idea and will be so kind as to make a skin like this. Hell, if you had to pick a squadron, did No. 65 squadron fly the mk V? Or No. 92? (Ill go ahead and pick a squad, and get the information on the aircraft all ready. The only reason im not doing this myself is because all 3 of my past attempts have been so wildly unsuccesful, to the point where 2 didnt even show up offline when I put them in the skins folder offline)
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The default skin is 92 squadron. Lots of photos of Jamie Rankin, flying that particular bird.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
The default skin is 92 squadron. Lots of photos of Jamie Rankin, flying that particular bird.
Yeah, see? I really dont know the RAF. I only have a list of ident. codes for Hurricane squadrons. lol. I feel like even more of an idiot after this post...
And kermit, you have still yet to say why I am so misunderstood...
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Serenity, your posts cause lots of confusing amoung many.
By any chance, do you have skins disabled in the game?
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Uhhh, yeah. I only use custom skins, and I make sure I can see other skins because skins can sometimes give away a players skill. Like the Bf-109K-4. In my experience, players with the white skin are almost always easy to kill, whereas other custom skins tend to be more difficult. Thats because the white is appealing to new players who dont know the aircraft very well. So yeah, I have skins enabled. And how do my posts cause confusion? Improper wording? Or contradictions?
And here, I picked out a plane.
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Number 74 Squadron RAF
Motto: I fear no man
Badge: A tiger's face - it was the original badge used by the squadron in World War One.
No 74 Squadron was formed on 1 July 1917 at Northolt and in March 1918 received SE5As before moving to France. Operations began on 12 April and fighter patrols continued until the Armistice, low-level attacks on enemy troops being carried out in the closing months as the German army retreated towards Germany. In February 1919, the squadron returned to the UK where it disbanded on 3 July 1919.
On 3 September 1935, No 74 reformed aboard the transport 'Neuralia' at Southampton and sailed for Malta where, on being disembarked, it was known only as 'Demon Flights', the number 74 not being advised until 14 November. This was for security purposes during the Abyssinian crisis which resulted in the movement of numerous RAF squadrons to the Middle East. In July 1936, the Squadron's Demon two-seat fighters were dismantled for shipment and No 74 re-assembled at Hornchurch on 21 September. In April 1937 it re-equipped with Gauntlets and in February 1939, conversion to Spitfires began. During the opening months of World War Two the squadron flew defensive patrols before covering the evacuation fleet at Dunkirk in May 1940. After taking part in the first phase of the Battle of Britain, No 74 was withdrawn in mid-August for rest, returning south in mid-October.
Stations
Hornchurch 25 June 1940
Wittering 14 August 1940
Kirton-in-Lindsey 21 August 1940
Coltishall 9 September 1940
Biggin Hill 15 October 1940
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Ironically that particular bird never actually wore that camoflage scheme in WW2. It was in the Gray/Green when with 317 Squadron so that isn't a historically correct skin for that bird :)
It is about as wonderful a restored Spit V as there is out there however. Had a chance to get up close and personal with it at Flying Legends in 2005 and talk to Clive Denney who flies it with HAC.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Ironically that particular bird never actually wore that camoflage scheme in WW2. It was in the Gray/Green when with 317 Squadron so that isn't a historically correct skin for that bird :)
It is about as wonderful a restored Spit V as there is out there however. Had a chance to get up close and personal with it at Flying Legends in 2005 and talk to Clive Denney who flies it with HAC.
Oh, your s***ing me... did an aircraft with that identification code (not aircraft serial number) fly under that scheme? Or should I start my search again... Im still new to the RAF, so I could use a hand identifying things. Really the only things I know are Luftwaffe fighters and B-17s...
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This is what I'd suggest, and this is as an RAF nut for a long time. Get some reading under your belt. If you need suggestions on Spit stuff, let me know. I've got a huge Spit library.
I think you'll find that most of the Spit V schemes are like the ones I posted. The Spit V was really the Spit that took the fight to France, hence the change in colors. It's only very early Spit Vs that had the brown/green and then it didn't last long.
Get used to the Gray/Green schemes. Kev has done some great Spit V skins. His 401 Squadron RCAF Spit V is a classic example of the Spit V that took the fight to the LW.
That's what I'd fly.
The thing that Kev has done, is give the Spit V a great variety of markings alongside the default, covering all the schemes it's worn. I don't know that they'd even add another brown/green one just to give it different codes.
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Really? Since the default is the only brown green Id think that they would allow ONE custom skin... but anyway... id LOVE to pick up some spitfire books, but it will have to wait until the summer, because I wont get my first job until then... Im still flat broke ;)
Are there any websites you would suggest? ESPECIALLY a list of squadron ident codes, and aircraft markings. Thanks sir! Your expertise is greatly appreciated. And yeah... are there any squads I can look into for the brown green skin? Ive always favoured those over the grey. Its 1/4 the reason I fly the Spitfire mk I in EW.
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Some of their stuff isn't totally accurate, but this is a good place to start for profiles. The fast that there are often several very different looking versions of the same plane should tell you how hard it can be really tell the colors and markings from old photos and films footage.
http://wp.scn.ru/camms/
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thanks treize
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These are 'my' guys from 41 Squadron. Probably 75% of the photos on the site are from my collection. Steve Brew is working on the book about 41. You'll recognize the profile at the top. I did it of his uncle's Spit Va that he was shot down in. A ton of info on a typical RAF squadron. These guys flew Spits from beginning to end. Spit Is, IIs, Vs, XIIs, XIVs
http://brew.clients.ch/Body41.htm#No.%2041
There's a nice pic on the site of a very young, Corky with the Spit drivers of 41 back in 1986. Sad to think it's been over 20 years since then. Most of em gone now.
Before you jump on it, that Spit in the background is a Spit II in 41 Squadron markings not a Spit V :)
Yeah I'm proud of that pic and look for any excuse to post it
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Before you jump on it, that Spit in the background is a Spit II in 41 Squadron markings not a Spit V :)
Ouch. I guess I had THAT coming...
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Wow this is a painful thread to read.
Have you actually downloaded the other skins available in game?
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Originally posted by Fencer51
Wow this is a painful thread to read.
Have you actually downloaded the other skins available in game?
Wow thats a painful post. Have you actually READ any of it? How can I tell that we have the RHAF SAAF, RCAF and a purple RAF if ive never downloaded ANY of them. How can I only fly custom skins if I havnt downloaded any of them? Eyes are there for more than just looking at porn.
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Guppy,what month in '41 did they drop the earth/green scheme.Was it when they changed the large yellow roundels?
Just wondering:)
p.s.I would love a 311 Squadron spit from any period ;)
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Sorry..duh 611 Squadron.....:aok
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Originally posted by Serenity
Wow thats a painful post. Have you actually READ any of it? How can I tell that we have the RHAF SAAF, RCAF and a purple RAF if ive never downloaded ANY of them. How can I only fly custom skins if I havnt downloaded any of them? Eyes are there for more than just looking at porn.
My pardon, I was just totally confused by your asking for something which is already available and your complete confusion on what you wanted and whether it was available.
The sum of the posts seem to be "I want this", "Its there" ,"Well I want one just like it"
Sorry, it just made my head hurt reading through to see whether I could help out. Hence my attempting to confirm you had actually downloaded the planes which the guys are telling you are available.
I will just back out and let you work with some of the other guys who have better headache medicine and a higher tollerance of rudeness.
Cheers,
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Originally posted by Hazzer
Guppy,what month in '41 did they drop the earth/green scheme.Was it when they changed the large yellow roundels?
Just wondering:)
p.s.I would love a 311 Squadron spit from any period ;)
August 1941 was when the RAF went to the Gray/Green Camo.
The RAF went to the different roundels with the narrower yellow band in May of 42.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
And a Spit Ia that survives to this day in the same color scheme
IWM Lambeth?
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:lol
Fencer, I feel your pain.
:D
I'd like to help him too, but guppy won't share that headache medicine with me.:(
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Think the main thing is this -
Yup we could fill all the available Spitfire slots (for all marks) with basically the same skin with different squadron codes.
What I watch out for is unusual schemes, (as long as they saw operational use), like the Pink IX, the Blue V, the currently is progress White IX.
Basically anything different from the run of the mill schemes.
One exception I make is for ones with Polish, Czech etc pennants, or named ones, or the very rare one's with nose art (i.e. the RCAF Vb ingame).
Thats just my take on it, wide variation rather than just different squadron codes.
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I would add to Kev's list aircraft of significant individuals such as Douglas Bader or Johnny Johnson.
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Originally posted by Ball
IWM Lambeth?
Almost missed this. AR213 is being restored to flight. It was a fairly well known flyer for a while but is being restored all the way back to Spitfire Ia standards. It previously flew with 4 blade prop, wrong windscreen etc. They're taking it back to factory fresh and last i heard it will probably be in it's OTU codes that it wore when Ginger Lacy flew it as a 'bounce" aircraft for the fledgling pilots.
If we're lucy it will carry the markings Ginger had on it. AR313 was one of the last Spit Is built so it never saw combat.
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Originally posted by Fencer51
I would add to Kev's list aircraft of significant individuals such as Douglas Bader or Johnny Johnson.
YQ-D that I posted above is Johnnie Johnson's bird that he flew with 616 shortly after Bader went down.
Bader's Bus Company
Still Running
Was added to a number of those Spits. There's a photo of JEJ in one marked like that.
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Lookie lookie
(http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/1984/spitvdefaultlf9.jpg)
It was there all along.
(I think somebody said that)
wrngway
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Originally posted by AWwrgwy
Lookie lookie
(http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/1984/spitvdefaultlf9.jpg)
It was there all along.
(I think somebody said that)
wrngway
Like ive said before. THats ONE default skin. It would be nice to see one more similar. We have MANY green-grey, why not ONE more brown green?
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Why would another Spitfire V that looked exactly the same other than the letters on the fuselage help you? That is the part we aren't getting.
You can hardly ever make them out in the game as it is. From the cockpit the two skins would appear identical.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Why would another Spitfire V that looked exactly the same other than the letters on the fuselage help you? That is the part we aren't getting.
You can hardly ever make them out in the game as it is. From the cockpit the two skins would appear identical.
Because he was caught in a mistake and can't admit it.
Now to save face he will grasp at any straw.
Reynolds let it go.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Karnak
Why would another Spitfire V that looked exactly the same other than the letters on the fuselage help you? That is the part we aren't getting.
You can hardly ever make them out in the game as it is. From the cockpit the two skins would appear identical.
Because you really CAN tell the difference. I often fight VERY close in. Hell, I avoid firing at more than 200 yards. You can really see your opponents skin, and you are often judged accordingly. If I pwn a white Bf-109K-4, I think "n00b needs to learn the plane a bit more" whereas if I nail a green one, I think "Poor guy made a mistake. Oh well, I was damned lucky for that kill". Its a subconcious thing, but most people you see in default skins are two-weekers from my experience. Everyone has a favorite skin for their most common aircraft. For example:
Spitfire mk I: 54 sqdn
Spitfire mk IX: 329 sqdn
Bf-109E-4: Jg3
Bf-109 G6: Jg52
Bf-109 G14: Jg54
Bf-109K-4: Jg(cant quite remember, I dont fly the K-4 often)
B-17G: 303BG/359BS BN-U, SN: 4239050
Boston III: (I have two I juggle at the moment)
Bf-110C-4/b: ZG76
thats just a small list. But flying a custom skin proves, at LEAST, that you are a subscriber. Thats just the argument for a custom skin. As to this particular style of skin:
Brown/Green made the Spitfire famous. During the Battle of Britain, thats what they flew. To this day, that scheme is a bit more emotional. It is reminiscant of the time when Britain's survival was severly questioned. as it stands we have virtually NO skins like that. Both mk VIII planes appear to have RAAF roundels, and other than that only the mk V and I have that skin. There are so many grey-green, there needs to be more brown green to even things out, for folks like me who fly planes not because of their capabilities, but for sentimental reasons. Thats why. I made no mistake by requesting this. I stand by what I said in the begining.
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Battle of Britain was fought with Spit Is and very few IIs. If you are asking for Spit I skins then it's going to make sense cause they didn't use the gray/green outside of OTUs when they were no longer front line combat or ASR Spit IIs.
We only have 2 Spit I skins. Both are B of B skins, 54 and 74 Squadrons. If you are 'sentimental' about the B of B then fly the Spit I in the brown green. Or fly the Spit V in brown/green and pretend it's a 92 Squadron Spitfire Ib.
You have to understand the scale on which the Spit V fought which is covered wonderfully by the skinners, and Kev in particular.
We've got Malta based, Italy based USAAF stuff, North Africa, pre-August 41 ETO and post 41 ETO when they changed to gray/green. RAAF PTO etc.
We could still use a Russia based Spit V and a camo RAAF bird, and potentially a good North Africa RAF bird just to even things out.
In all honesty, considering it's use, it would make more sense to ask for more gray/green Spit Vs cause they saw more service in those colors. As it is, I think we have a wonderful selection of skins for the V and adding another brown/green makes less sense then the 3 others I mentioned if we are to get more V skins.
I know Spits are your passion at the moment, but you've been changing on the fly from B17s, to 109s now to Spit Vs. I'm guessing you'll find another passion long before we get more skins.
Not meant as a shot btw, just an observation as your passion for whichever plane is clear, but seems to be relatively short lived. It wasn't that long ago that I coulda swore you were 303rd BG B17s for life and that died fast :)
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Regarding your comments on the Spit VIII. Remember that did not see ETO service. Because it was tropicalized from the start it was meant for overseas use, where the Spit IX was initially kept at home in England, although some made it to the MTO.
So the colors you'll get on the VIII are going to be based on the theaters of war it operated, which was the MTO, CBI and PTO with the RAF, USAAF and RAAF.
Personally I'd like to see a VIII in a gray/green camo to go with the IX and 16 on the off chance you fly with those Spits around. At the moment we don't have one, but it was not the prevalant scheme for the VIII so I can live with that.
And of course the V did not see service in the B of B so to use that as your example doesn't work. It works for the Spit I obviously.
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A few different VIIIs we could use :)
417 RCAF. They also flew Vs in these colors. I've had a framed poster of 4 Spit Vb trops from the Imperial War Museum up on the wall since 1980. I'd love to see it in game along with the 417 VIII
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How about and MTO based Spit VIII from 43 Squadron in the more standard gray/green but with the MTO red spinner and codes?
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Or maybe a CBI based Spit VIII from 17 Squadron? This isn't the best profile I've ever done, but you get the idea.
As for sentimentality and Spits. I saw my first when I was 7 years old at the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry. They have a B of B vet Spit I there. I've been Spit goofy ever since so ya gotta trust me on this stuff Serenity. 40 years of Spits ought to count for something :)
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guppy i understand your love for spitfires they are beautiful like a race horse,but man ya still cant beat that old carthorse of a hurricane:p
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Originally posted by Guppy35
How about and MTO based Spit VIII from 43 Squadron in the more standard gray/green but with the MTO red spinner and codes?
Whoops, my fault Dan.
Had it all ready to go, forgot to submit it :( .
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Battle of Britain was fought with Spit Is and very few IIs. If you are asking for Spit I skins then it's going to make sense cause they didn't use the gray/green outside of OTUs when they were no longer front line combat or ASR Spit IIs.
We only have 2 Spit I skins. Both are B of B skins, 54 and 74 Squadrons. If you are 'sentimental' about the B of B then fly the Spit I in the brown green. Or fly the Spit V in brown/green and pretend it's a 92 Squadron Spitfire Ib.
You have to understand the scale on which the Spit V fought which is covered wonderfully by the skinners, and Kev in particular.
We've got Malta based, Italy based USAAF stuff, North Africa, pre-August 41 ETO and post 41 ETO when they changed to gray/green. RAAF PTO etc.
We could still use a Russia based Spit V and a camo RAAF bird, and potentially a good North Africa RAF bird just to even things out.
In all honesty, considering it's use, it would make more sense to ask for more gray/green Spit Vs cause they saw more service in those colors. As it is, I think we have a wonderful selection of skins for the V and adding another brown/green makes less sense then the 3 others I mentioned if we are to get more V skins.
I know Spits are your passion at the moment, but you've been changing on the fly from B17s, to 109s now to Spit Vs. I'm guessing you'll find another passion long before we get more skins.
Not meant as a shot btw, just an observation as your passion for whichever plane is clear, but seems to be relatively short lived. It wasn't that long ago that I coulda swore you were 303rd BG B17s for life and that died fast :)
My passion has never wavered. I still love Bf-109s, and fly them, I still love B-17s, (Any time a scenario or snapshot has them I am in the lead plane) Im just trying to expand my horizons. I started on the Spitfires because I OBVIOUSLY needed to learn ACM, and everyone suggests those. I still love the 303rd, and B-17s, and im still making time every night to read those books you sent me sir. But while what I am vocal about changes, my passions still remain. I simply notice things that I would LIKE changed more on aircraft if I fly them regularly. I understand your point of BoB. I think I might not have worded that properly. When you think of Spitfires, you think of the brown-green camo. This comes to mind first because the spitfire was made famous in the Battle of Britain. I do fly the I by the way, ive been practically living in the AvA this last week during BoB. And again, this is just something I would like. I understand, and agree with your point about service action. I just dont favour those schemes. Once more, I understand you werent jabbing me, I know you are far to honorable a man to ever consider that, I just want you to know my loves have never waivered. I still find myself drawn, almost constantly, to those 4 big engines, or that Iron Cross. I just force myself to expand my horizons ;)
(BTW, I think I can start making skins again. I realized what I was doing wrong in the beggining, so this will be my last skin request. But, if you could be oh so terribly kind, is there any way I could ask you to dig down once more into your heart and send me your Spitfire template? Ive been having terrible trouble making my own. If youd rather I do it myself to learn, I will understand perfectly. Thank you again sir for all you have ever done for me.)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Almost missed this. AR213 is being restored to flight. It was a fairly well known flyer for a while but is being restored all the way back to Spitfire Ia standards. It previously flew with 4 blade prop, wrong windscreen etc. They're taking it back to factory fresh and last i heard it will probably be in it's OTU codes that it wore when Ginger Lacy flew it as a 'bounce" aircraft for the fledgling pilots.
If we're lucy it will carry the markings Ginger had on it. AR313 was one of the last Spit Is built so it never saw combat.
You may be interested to see this Spit I (Spitfire I R6915) too, check out the (original) markings:-
(http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/mus/uk/iwm/spitfire.jpg)
(http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/hangar/museums/iwm/Spitfire.jpg)
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Originally posted by Ball
You may be interested to see this Spit I (Spitfire I R6915) too, check out the (original) markings:-
(http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/mus/uk/iwm/spitfire.jpg)
(http://www.airsceneuk.org.uk/hangar/museums/iwm/Spitfire.jpg)
Those aren't it's 'original' markings, but the markings it was wearing in 1945. That Spit also has an extensive combat history from the B of B. I'd love to see them do to that bird what was done to the FAA Corsair where they took off the layers to see what was below, ending up with the most original Corsair in existance in terms of wartime markings.
That Spit ended it's service days as an OTU aircraft for training.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Those aren't it's 'original' markings, but the markings it was wearing in 1945. That Spit also has an extensive combat history from the B of B. I'd love to see them do to that bird what was done to the FAA Corsair where they took off the layers to see what was below, ending up with the most original Corsair in existance in terms of wartime markings.
That Spit ended it's service days as an OTU aircraft for training.
Sorry... that is what i meant, it's original markings meaning unrestored.