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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: BaldEagl on February 11, 2007, 03:22:35 PM
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I spent some time in tank town today for the first time in months.
I'm not comlaining, whining or saying it shouldn't be allowed but the planes flying around unmolested bombing GV's has to be the lamest style of play I've maybe ever seen.
If thats the only way for those guys to get kills then I guess I can see why they do it.
At least a guy who HO's you is taking a chance.
It didn't used to be like that on this map before they put the town in. In fact, before the town there were awsome ground battles in the open ground through the center of that island. Now it's degraded to spawn campers and people bombing the GV's.
Guess it will be a few more months before I visit again.
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Hmm, not sure where you've been playing...but, it has always been like that. Heck, that's why the TT in Trinity came about. It at least makes the buff wanks fly a bit to do their durty deeds. :)
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Tank Town now is a Fighter Town/Tank Town combined because of the Airfields nearby. That is the biggest thing contibuting to it. I usually fly in heavy, drop eggs and then fight. The thing that is lame is the actual bomber groups that come in and hit the spawn points. I at least go Jabo and hit the guys trying to sneak around and spawn camp. Wish they would make the VH's at those base indestructable... no that would be nice. :aok
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Any GV in this game is a valid target.
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Ever notice that folks who begin with "I'm not complaining..." go on to complain?
:D
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Originally posted by NoBaddy
Heck, that's why the TT in Trinity came about. It at least makes the buff wanks fly a bit to do their durty deeds. :)
And for that i am most grateful
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I'm not complaining or anything, but I think it's the lamest style of play EVER for a GV to spawn, fire at other just-spawned GVs, and kill them before they can start their engine, then sit there firing all their 100 rounds into unmoving, just-spawned, GVs. To top it off, these arrogant SOBs have the nerve to complain when WE bomb THEM. Hell it's 200x more dangerous to try to bomb a GV than it is to kill a GV in another GV.
But then, like I said, "I'm not complaining"....
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i suppose the allies should not have bombed germany after they had air superiority.that must have been lame also.:noid
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Originally posted by Max
Ever notice that folks who begin with "I'm not complaining..." go on to complain?
:D
Really, I wasn't complaining. Just stating my opinion.
I was ahead in terms of kills per death out there so I have no reason to complain but it was almost ludicrous. There were JU-87s, every kind of attack aircraft imaginable and even an AR234 playing turn fighter over the GV spawns.
I could see it being tank town and fighter town combined if there were opposing aircraft but there weren't.
I did fly a Hurri IIC out one time (no bombs... in fighter mode) and scored four quick air-to-air kills but it would have been hard not to given the circumstances.
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If I am flying a heavy bomber and just "happen" to pass over tank town, I will bomb the living crap out of it. And I will smile. Because if my friends are being shot at from an enemy spawn, I will level the enemy spawn point. Its called "Tactical Bombing" or "Air Support". I will bomb anything and everything. If youve got a problem take up an Ostwind or an M-16. If you just sit there in your panzer and keep getting killed thats your own fault. You think the Germans stood up and said "Thats not fair!" when our B-17s thundered overhead and bombed them back to the stone age? NO! The put up flak emplacements and launched fighters and FORCED us to PAY FOR THE BOMBINGS.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I spent some time in tank town today for the first time in months.
I'm not comlaining, whining or saying it shouldn't be allowed but the planes flying around unmolested bombing GV's has to be the lamest style of play I've maybe ever seen.
If thats the only way for those guys to get kills then I guess I can see why they do it.
At least a guy who HO's you is taking a chance.
It didn't used to be like that on this map before they put the town in. In fact, before the town there were awsome ground battles in the open ground through the center of that island. Now it's degraded to spawn campers and people bombing the GV's.
Guess it will be a few more months before I visit again.
If you don't like it then you should think of playing another game. Whether you're in a plane or a vehicle, you are still the enemy to two other sides and they have all the right to bomb you in your little mobile "pill box" whether you like it or not.
So the lamest thing is not the guy that is bombing you in your little tank but the guy that comes in on this BBS and complains about how some one had the audacity to bomb their precious tank in TT.
If you don't want your GV to be blown to smithereens, then take some preventative measures such as having AAA vehicles for air defense or try and get some of your fellow squadron mates out of their tanks and into planes to help provide local CAP for defense (that is if you or any of your squadron mates actually know what a plane looks like and know how to turn the engine on and fly).
So don't come *****ing on these boards when someone bombs you while you're in a vehicle, it's part of the game, live with it.
ack-ack
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Ask any "real" tankers from the war and they'll probably say airplanes were the biggest threat to their safety. Why should it be any different in the game? I mean what else is a Stuka or Il2 good for? I would say that's why those 2 planes are in the planeset.....to attack GVs
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Ya,
Ask any German tanker and he might say aircaraft were the "only" real danger to their safety.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
(that is if you or any of your squadron mates actually know what a plane looks like and know how to turn the engine on and fly)
My my. Getting a little personal here.
FYI (Hours on line this camp):
Squad:
111 Fighter
5 Bomber
10 Attack
7 Vehicle
Me:
26 Fighter
2 Bomber
2 Attack
5 Vehicle
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:cry - he dropped a bomb on meeeeeee!!!!
why in the hell wouldnt any bird drop eggs on a vehicle?
any bomber, jabbo or otherwise is doing a service when they are laying smack on the gamey dweeb that is the typical AH spawn camper.
not doing so is like letting good food go to waste.
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Yet another argument for adding lightly perked, towed, Geman 88mm Flak36's to the game. Would make taking buffs over TT a might dangerous to buffs, if the GVr's had a mind to defend their airspace. Might make sitting still at a spawn point a might unhealthy too.
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Yes your complaining and whining and I thank you. I love to bomb tank town when I get the chance. Some B-17's with 100lbrs and carpet bomb the living crap out of the place. Brings a great big smile to my face when I do it. Peoples reactions like yours are the reason I do it too.
Like HiTech said at the con, "It's all about pissing the other guy off."
Glad I'm doing my part.
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I'm trying to decide which side I hate more, the whiners or the griefers..
hmmm, maybe it's best to hate everyone equally :D
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Ok....lets try this again,
"ACES HIGH II....WWII COMBAT SIMULATOR"
Folks, that the way it was in the real deal, so why be different if your simulating it??????
I will go to TT in a heavy Fighter, blow a couple of tanks sky high and then bring it down to them, guns blazing till I run out of bullets.
And it always ends up with one of them getting me before I can bug out, so those poor little GV's aint as defensless as some would like them to seem. Rarely do I ever land a kill from TT, but maybe thats due to me flying it for the fun of it and not the points.
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I landed 6 jeep kills yeasterday in my Spit. :D
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Like HiTech said at the con, "It's all about pissing the other guy off."
HA!
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I don't see what the issue is, the TT bombers provide an almost endless stream of amusement. 95% of the time the tards miss with all their eggs then make strafing runs ad nauseum until they finally pancake on the ground next to you or peg a tree. Always be sure to ping em up with the pintle so you know who to laugh at when the finally eat it.
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What exactly is tank town?
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Originally posted by Krusty
I'm not complaining or anything, but I think it's the lamest style of play EVER for a GV to spawn, fire at other just-spawned GVs, and kill them before they can start their engine, then sit there firing all their 100 rounds into unmoving, just-spawned, GVs. To top it off, these arrogant SOBs have the nerve to complain when WE bomb THEM. Hell it's 200x more dangerous to try to bomb a GV than it is to kill a GV in another GV.
But then, like I said, "I'm not complaining"....
I agree with krusty. Go to the TT part of "FURBALL Island" hvy. Dive down on a GV or 2. Put yourself lower than all the cons about and get out alive, or is it easier to "whack a mole" ?
To add to the thread, not that I'm complaining but Rooks dominate by numbers in TT. Rest of us rooks are ENYed to Mid war planes while these guys are whacking their .... err moles.
May I thank ALL GVers for their contribution to Aces HIGH.
Must also add that the old style TT play area was better because GV's got to be spread out a lot more in that open plain. Now it's almost straight lines of GV's waiting for me Hurri C's 500 lbers...no searching just straight in on spawn. 10 GV ...."bombs away".
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I never gave a thought to the GVs adding to the ENY numbers. Good point.
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Why not just lift a tempest or other uber cannon ride & get above the buffs & enjoy your good fortune?
I have always been baffled about the guys unhappy with buffs over tanktown. Jugs, Tempest, Mossi, 110, and 190s all perfect planes for keeping Buffs honest in TT-
You dont want Buffs in TT- YOU kick em out- with CANNON FIRE!
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Originally posted by Ghastly
What exactly is tank town?
It would appear that tank town is where you go to bomb GV's.
:lol
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
It didn't used to be like that on this map before they put the town in. In fact, before the town there were awsome ground battles in the open ground through the center of that island. Now it's degraded to spawn campers and people bombing the GV's.
Guess it will be a few more months before I visit again.
Personally I agree TT "USED" to have great ground battles.
But that was before they had everyone spawn within immediate firing range of everyone else.
Now its just "whack a mole"
But the planes arent the problem as they've always been there
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Originally posted by LYNX
To add to the thread, not that I'm complaining but Rooks dominate by numbers in TT. Rest of us rooks are ENYed to Mid war planes while these guys are whacking their .... err moles.
So why not take your squad to another side and even the numbers a bit?
Not telling you how to play Lynx just wondering.
Bronk
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It is 'whack a mole' at TT. As far as bombers, well, too bad. I wouldn't expect to live more than 5 mins at TT, just expect it.
Good way to stop the complaining about TT bombing, spawn camping and # of friendlies in TT driving up ENY.....
Capture it all and deny everyone the ability to go there. LOL
:noid
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Ok bombing a dug in spawn camper is cool otherwise the raping will go on all day. Bringing anything other than heavy fighter to TT is bad joojoo.
What the rooks have pulled two maps is total bs in my book capture all of TT. Its taking advantage of whats supposed to be sacred since Ive played I dont recall knights trying to control tt.
If most people commonly agree not to bomb tt vh bases then why capture the bases? Its kinda a violation of a unwritten law. If anything the main island should have the untakable bases on that map. Its saying the select few who decide to capture these lack honor. Cause really how many people sit in flaks and panzers at the vh in tt bases waiting for a attack? NOONE! Because for the sake of gameplay they trust the base wont be taken.
And the sad truth is untill nits are off the newb rotation we lack the total teamwork needed to recapture main bases. We should that lastnight when ground was broke into tt airbase cap was getting started and then BLAM! 43 people decided to chase a lone 109 in which probably 19 of them killshot eachother trying to get him...good example? :-p
90prf
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Originally posted by DREDger
Capture it all and deny everyone the ability to go there. LOL
It's because of statements like that people think you're a griefer.
Bronk
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Because for the sake of gameplay they trust the base wont be taken.
Naaa, its for the sake of gameplay and instant gratification that they spawn to TT and play 'whack the mole'.
I do kindof feel sorry for the knits on TT map though, seems they were ousted off pretty early and relegated to a far corner of the map while bish and rooks slugged it out.
Does seem that the knits kindof get the shaft on player experience. I think cause every new player, especially the kids, take a look at the three sides and immediatly say "I WANT TO BE A KNIGHT!!!...u know, cause it's coooool.
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Originally posted by DREDger
Because for the sake of gameplay they trust the base wont be taken.
Naaa, its for the sake of gameplay and instant gratification that they spawn to TT and play 'whack the mole'.
I do kindof feel sorry for the knits on TT map though, seems they were ousted off pretty early and relegated to a far corner of the map while bish and rooks slugged it out.
Does seem that the knits kindof get the shaft on player experience. I think cause every new player, especially the kids, take a look at the three sides and immediatly say "I WANT TO BE A KNIGHT!!!...u know, cause it's coooool.
No its because of the way new players are allocated now.
It's not random they are sent to the lowest side.
Since knights have the lowest numbers guess where the 2weekers go.
Top that off with the once the 2 weeks are over and "mommy wont pay for me to play.". Its a vicious cycle of 2 weeker squeakers.
If they stay more than 2 weeks. They are a most likely sick of being on the short end of the stick and jump to greener pastures.
As for tt there are some of us who don't like click/spawn/die.
These people have developed other methods of extracting their fun in tt.
Bronk
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Farfignugen :aok
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Theres still alot of Nit vets that blow captures just vulching, I mean its not hard to up with ord drop it on town or vh then go about vulching ( ok capping ). Thats where c hawks and 68's really have it going on for nits they set thier minds to a plan and normally get the take. I noticed lastnight Freebirds dont go down without a fight Ive seen just a few try to take the base hoard for a take. Its just a shame we dont have a mission planner like Ghi that the country seems to rally around.
90prf
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Originally posted by bzek74
Theres still alot of Nit vets that blow captures just vulching, I mean its not hard to up with ord drop it on town or vh then go about vulching ( ok capping ). Thats where c hawks and 68's really have it going on for nits they set thier minds to a plan and normally get the take. I noticed lastnight Freebirds dont go down without a fight Ive seen just a few try to take the base hoard for a take. Its just a shame we dont have a mission planner like Ghi that the country seems to rally around.
90prf
Thanks 90prf... Now if we could only get LippyCH to join in some of our "missions" MUWAHHHHHHHHHHAAAAA.:rofl
Floatsup has been putting up some good missions as of late, but I'd agree that there is no one like a 'ghi" on the Knight side for mass organization since 68KO ... RIP Bro <>.. Maybe it's just me, but I have'nt seen "Alliance" in awhile.
4XTCH
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
I spent some time in tank town today for the first time in months.
I'm not comlaining, whining or saying it shouldn't be allowed but the planes flying around unmolested bombing GV's has to be the lamest style of play I've maybe ever seen.
If thats the only way for those guys to get kills then I guess I can see why they do it.
At least a guy who HO's you is taking a chance.
It didn't used to be like that on this map before they put the town in. In fact, before the town there were awsome ground battles in the open ground through the center of that island. Now it's degraded to spawn campers and people bombing the GV's.
Guess it will be a few more months before I visit again.
planes have been bombing GV's since planes since like forever.....
get over it
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'Anyone' can say that again.....
My general rule of thumb:
If I am in a GV at TT, and someone bombs me dead, I consider them to be dweebs for taking a plane to what should be a GV fight. Skilless, weasley griefers with no sense of how the game shuld be played.
If I am in plane bombing GV's at TT, prefereably those retreating to land their kills, then that is too freaking bad, the game is set up this way for planes to get to TT. If HTC wanted it different, he would put up a mountain range all around it.
Also, if I am a GV at TT and my country takes over all the other enemy TT bases, I consider that bad form and again weasely griefers who only want the game played their way.
If I running mission(s) to take TT as a strategic means of controlling the center of the map, whereby protecting flanks, and expanding possible launching points for future missions, well that is too bad as well. If HTC wanted it different, they would make the bases uncapturable at the center.
I hope this clarifies how I feel.
:aok
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why not use whatever you can to make someone else have a bad day
ohh and the crowd is turning on you quick change your opinion about bombing TT
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Noooo, mussssst not bomb my preciousssss. I neeeeeeeds my
precioussssss perrrrrrks and fame, yessssss.
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Pork the fields around TT. Pork the ord. Pork the troops. Pork surrounding airbases that can reach TT island easily enough. Pork the fuel. Pork the dar.
Vehicle resups? Can't have everything.
When no bombs, and no troops/supplies to bring them back up, you don't get bombed at TT. Strafed maybe, but not bombed. Countries could always try to put their own buff pilots to work (this would work better if buff drivers had better perk plane than Arado to strive for too.....).
Beg for addition of German 88mm Flak36 added to game.... chase bombers out of "your" airspace.
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Originally posted by Dace
Ask any "real" tankers from the war and they'll probably say airplanes were the biggest threat to their safety. Why should it be any different in the game? I mean what else is a Stuka or Il2 good for? I would say that's why those 2 planes are in the planeset.....to attack GVs
for that matter ask any REAL tankers and they will probably also tell you they didnt just materialise out of thin air into the middle of a fight
Or materalise out of thin air already surrounded by enamies just waiting for them to materialise out of thin air
they actually (oh heavens to betsy!) had to travel to a fight just like airplanes
and while your asking. Ask the Heavy bomber crews exactly how frequently they did missions at 1K Or how many timnes they divebombed in B17s?
while in formation no less
I mean after all. If they didnt or only rarely did it IRL. Why should it be any different in the game right?;)
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Weighing in again:
I've been thinking about this a little.
I don't have any problem with planes bombing vehicles. I do it myself, although not at tank town, and when I'm defending a VB or airfield I expect it from others. No problem.
What makes this a little different I think is that at tank town now, you don't even have to move to spawn camp. You spawn, turn your gun and open fire. That makes the GV's (evidently) very popular, easy targets for attackers and even more so for bombers. After all, they're all just sitting there in a little pile.
Thats what made me think the whole idea was so lame... similar to vulching but almost more so because the targets are all just sitting there, already up, not moving, waiting to be dead. Making it seem worse was the fact that all of the planes that were up while I was on were from one country, analagous to the hoard attacking an undefended base.
On this map, before the town was put in, the vehicle spawns were near the ends of the valleys leading to the VB's. If you wanted to fight other GV's you had to dive across the center plain to get close enough to shoot at them and as people drove to their various attack points they spread out. This in turn made more work for the attack planes who had to at least fly some distance to get to the next GV and almost no one brought in bombers. They'd have been flying around all day trying to get GV's with 1 bomb at a time. Therfore, while planes did drop bombs on vehicles, it was more difficult for them thus the ground wars were much more fun.
In addition to this, because the planes had to fly around more, there were more defending planes wanting the relatively easy kills on the attackers helping to reduce the bombing problem for the GV's. Now, to bomb at tank town, all you'd have to do is come in high, dive for the spawn, drop, extend back out and up and leave making the job more difficult for defending fighters.
It's really interesting what a town and the relocation of the vehicle spawns did to this map. It totally changed it and, at least in my opinion, for the worse.
I understand people probably like this style of play. While I was thinking about this I finally grasped "whack-a-mole". I like that description and it really fits here.
I'd like to see 2 versions of this map in rotation, one with the town as it is now and one without, as it was, then let the players decide. On the other hand maybe they already have. Maybe HT's got stats that prove it. I don't know.
I hope that better explains my thoughts as I posted this thread. As I've said it really had nothing to do with losing my tank. It had much more to do with the changes that have occured in this map.
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imop, TT is a kindergarten for lazzy overweight azzes style, :Spawn and shot,no need too think too much,: and they deserve a bomb once in a while to wake them up, and make them more active
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As of late, I tend to stay out of TT as far as GVs are concerned. It gets old being blasted over 3 times in a row right after u spawn. I prefer to do my tanking other places than TT, where some tactics n such can be used. The times I have bombed TT have mainly been in revenge for being spawn camped too many times in a row--my solution, take down the offending sides TT VHs and force them to take a timeout--also gives my side a chance to break out of the enemy spawn camping.
As for being bombed at TT, it is silly how a big bombers like Lancs, B-17s n such are used like dive bombers. I get satisfaction and payback blasting bombers that are on the runway of their bases with my tank.
Only solution i see to the bombing is to make the TT VHs indestructible and ultra thick cloud cover from 1K on up over the island so any bombers that do come over, have to drop real low or blind. The spawn camping at TT could be solved by pulling back the spawn points or removing them altogether. Its not that bad of a drive to get to the action from any of the TT VHs.
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TT....aka Fighter Town is my favorite spot...luv the furball. i like bombin gv's, its fun, they look so cool blowin up when their turret pops off in a firey ball...hehe
also......gotta luv the buff formations that come in there, they make really good targets for my tiff :)
baldegle, what u need to realize is this is the way people want to play the game that THEY pay for, i'm sure that if U were to pay for THEIR account then maybe you could tell them how to fly or drive, but, seeming how U dont pay for THEIR account, they will play how they want to, when they want to. i personally wish i could stop all the HO'n ace pilots but i can't afford that ...hehe
this is something u need to learn to deal with in the game or like akak said...find another game.
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If you know youve popped in a badspot dont even crank the engine. Go right for the turrent and scan your area. I still get one or two before I go down this way.
90prf
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imop, TT is a kindergarten for lazzy overweight azzes style, :Spawn and shot,no need too think too much,: and they deserve a bomb once in a while to wake them up, and make them more active
Yes this is true IMO, however I wouldn't write it out for all to see.
Since it is Ghi who said it, I say, 'who are you to judge how other people play?' Really what you are trying to say is if you don't play my way you shouldn't play at all. What total BS, ban him from the game.:noid
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Originally posted by DREDger
'Anyone' can say that again.....
My general rule of thumb:
If I am in a GV at TT, and someone bombs me dead, I consider them to be dweebs for taking a plane to what should be a GV fight. Skilless, weasley griefers with no sense of how the game shuld be played.
If I am in plane bombing GV's at TT, prefereably those retreating to land their kills, then that is too freaking bad, the game is set up this way for planes to get to TT. If HTC wanted it different, he would put up a mountain range all around it.
Also, if I am a GV at TT and my country takes over all the other enemy TT bases, I consider that bad form and again weasely griefers who only want the game played their way.
If I running mission(s) to take TT as a strategic means of controlling the center of the map, whereby protecting flanks, and expanding possible launching points for future missions, well that is too bad as well. If HTC wanted it different, they would make the bases uncapturable at the center.
I hope this clarifies how I feel.
:aok
Dred, the new Napolean! Like you and you alone are the only one seeing strategies for taking the map. Maybe, just maybe, the fun that the other 75 peeps are having in a particular area before you show up to "command and conquer with your l33t missions" might have some weight with you in the future, but for now..............Griefer! Don't worry Dred, you'll grow out of it.......or will you??
:noid
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Griefer! Don't worry Dred, you'll grow out of it.......or will you??
Ummm......hmmmm.....:confused:
Jo Mama?.......:lol
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Originally posted by DREDger
Capture it all and deny everyone the ability to go there.
Walks like duck, quacks like a duck. My friend you are a duck.
Don't want to be called one stop walking and talking like one.
Bronk
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^ Bronk is a flamer, his avitar shows him to be such.
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Very substantive post there dred.
What's next you going to call me a poopyhead?
Still don't change the fact you act like a griefer. Your own post points that out.
Bronk
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What's next you going to call me a poopyhead?
Bronk is a poopy head, his own post points that out.:lol
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The lamest gamers are those who shoot up my goon. I mean, how hard is that? Skill-less gamer dweebs! Goons should be indestructible.
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LOL Dredg
:rofl :aok
Bronk