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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on February 12, 2007, 07:38:05 AM
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If you dont have one. Get one
Big difference from flying with only a stick and keyboard.
That is all
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
If you dont have one. Get one
Big difference from flying with only a stick and keyboard.
That is all
What? you guys have throttles? No wonder I cant get a plane off the ground!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by 68Ripper
What? you guys have throttles? No wonder I cant get a plane off the ground!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
:lol :cry :rofl
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i second kazaa on that
:lol :cry :rofl
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I can understand flying without a rudder, as some joysticks don't have that. I can't understand, however, flying without a throttle. Most joysticks have them built onto the stick, and many have them as separate units.
I'd be very curious to see what kind of stick you were using that had no throttle built into it.
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(http://www.classicgaming.com/gamingmuseum/2600_joystick.jpg)
:D
Bronk
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I've been following your other thread as I've been in the same boat of needing to upgrade for years. Right now I'm trying to decide, if I can get one piece (for the time being) should it be a set of pedals, new stick, or a throttle unit?
The current stick I have is very limited (only four buttons, 4 way hat) but it does have a throttle wheel. So my biggest issue probably is using the keyboard for both rudder and my up/diagonal views. Which pedals could eliminate. But a throttle unit could also give me more buttons, an 8 way hat, and reduce the number of functions I use my keyboard for.
You have your rudder set to three buttons on the throttle? How do you find this setup?
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If your stick is that old get a 4-axis stick with more buttons. That will also give you rudder (twist) axis.
Check out the Saitek Cyborg Evo.
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Saitek.....ST290 Pro..........economical, 6 programmable buttons, twisty stick, 8 hat, throttle built in. Wally World for about $20.
or
CH throttle, 3 hat switches, many more programmable buttons, keep your stick. $150. Get all set up, less dependence on keyboard.
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Originally posted by Bronk
(http://www.classicgaming.com/gamingmuseum/2600_joystick.jpg)
:D
Bronk
Hey that looks like mine except mine doesn't even have that red button thingy
:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Originally posted by 68Ripper
Hey that looks like mine except mine doesn't even have that red button thingy
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Ahh ya didn't splurge for the deluxe model ehh.
:D
Bronk
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Ultimately I'm going to get the full CH setup, I just don't want to wait for my next paycheck heh. So the debate is really over which unit to buy first... :D I think I can make due with the stick a little while longer, but it's a toss up between the throttle or the pedals. Which is why I'm curious how he finds his rudder control.
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throttle definately.
I started with a Saitek 290, bought the CH throttle, then the pedals, then the stick, after seeking the advice of several vets on here.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
throttle definately.
I started with a Saitek 290, bought the CH throttle, then the pedals, then the stick, after seeking the advice of several vets on here.
:aok still have the 290 lol
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Stop worrying about the throttle -- what some players REALLY need is a good CHOKE
:lol :lol
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Originally posted by Krusty
I can understand flying without a rudder, as some joysticks don't have that. I can't understand, however, flying without a throttle. Most joysticks have them built onto the stick, and many have them as separate units.
I'd be very curious to see what kind of stick you were using that had no throttle built into it.
For darn near 10 years and untill 3 days ago an Thrustmaster X fighter
(http://www.empirenet.com/f2comp/xfighter.jpg)
and doing fairly well with one I might add.
Just using that and the keyboard
Now I have a CH fighter stick and Pro throttle :D
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Originally posted by Bronk
(http://www.classicgaming.com/gamingmuseum/2600_joystick.jpg)
:D
Bronk
thats good for a spit driver.
with spits ya dont need much more then that :D
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Originally posted by Kya
I've been following your other thread as I've been in the same boat of needing to upgrade for years. Right now I'm trying to decide, if I can get one piece (for the time being) should it be a set of pedals, new stick, or a throttle unit?
The current stick I have is very limited (only four buttons, 4 way hat) but it does have a throttle wheel. So my biggest issue probably is using the keyboard for both rudder and my up/diagonal views. Which pedals could eliminate. But a throttle unit could also give me more buttons, an 8 way hat, and reduce the number of functions I use my keyboard for.
You have your rudder set to three buttons on the throttle? How do you find this setup?
im still getting used to it all but getting better at it with every flight.
Mostly the problem is in simply remember where I programed everything. Such as landing gear and whellbrakes which has made for some rather interesting final approaches and landings LOL
The three buttons used for the rudder is working pretty good. Though Im finding that by working the throttle I dont even need to use my rudder as much.
I find I am tending to change the programming from flight to flight to where everything seems natural and so I dont hit one button by mistake when trying to do something else.
I know quite a few peopel the last couple nights have received check 6's they didnt need LOL
sorry bout dat guys. bear with me till I get it all nailed down
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Originally posted by Bronk
(http://www.classicgaming.com/gamingmuseum/2600_joystick.jpg)
:D
Bronk
Hey...thats the stick I'm using! works on both Atari and AH!
Softail
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Originally posted by LTARokit
Saitek.....ST290 Pro..........economical, 6 programmable buttons, twisty stick, 8 hat, throttle built in. Wally World for about $20.
NEGATIVE it is a C.A.T. stick
Cheap
Ass
Trash
Owned 2 of them, the main trigger craps out after a week or three. Still have one, but I have configured button 3 as the main fire, and button 4 as fire all. Main fire trigger doesn't last on that stick.
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I've got the CH throttle and pedals, and I'll tell you that IMHO, the pedals give you much more capability in flight than the throttle. The throttle just takes you up over the top. Regardless of which one you get first, they will both be valuable and give you much more capability. They will not, however, make you a better pilot. :aok
Good luck,
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cc on Stoney's post. You'll get more out of your aircraft with pedals if you have to choose a single device to add.
I use CH pedals (now) - but using them is a concession to the desire to have a single controller for the older games that support but one.
I prefered the feel and mechanical construction of the Simpeds over the CH ones.
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I think throttles and rudder pedals are equally important....You SHOULD have them both.:D
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I cant imagine being competitive without either, I use a twisty rudder logitech with throttle control. It cost less than $50. US, and it has more buttons than I use. I programmed them all, but cant seem to re-program myself to use them.
I have always wanted to upgrade to the CH gear with pedals, but the price combined with the month of getting used to the pedals, always brings me back to another $50 twisty.
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l.m.f.a.o.@ bronk, heheh friggin pong, started all this.
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Would definitely go after the pedals first. The pedals get more out of planes allowing you to fully use the rudder on planes. Plane such as the P38 you will be able to do more with it when you have pedals.
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Agree with those that say "Get Rudders First."
A Throttle adds convenience, no doubt.
A Rudder Pedal set adds lethality in the air in almost any situation.
If you could only have one, what would you rather have? I know what I would want...
Plus, you can map the Throttle Up and Throttle Down keystrokes to a Hat on the stick - it works fine, and I did that for at least 6 months...
-Llama
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Originally posted by Kya
I've been following your other thread as I've been in the same boat of needing to upgrade for years. Right now I'm trying to decide, if I can get one piece (for the time being) should it be a set of pedals, new stick, or a throttle unit?
The current stick I have is very limited (only four buttons, 4 way hat) but it does have a throttle wheel. So my biggest issue probably is using the keyboard for both rudder and my up/diagonal views. Which pedals could eliminate. But a throttle unit could also give me more buttons, an 8 way hat, and reduce the number of functions I use my keyboard for.
You have your rudder set to three buttons on the throttle? How do you find this setup?
Get a twisty stick with a small throttle thing on the base if that's all your budget allows
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Originally posted by llama
Agree with those that say "Get Rudders First."
A Throttle adds convenience, no doubt.
A Rudder Pedal set adds lethality in the air in almost any situation.
If you could only have one, what would you rather have? I know what I would want...
Plus, you can map the Throttle Up and Throttle Down keystrokes to a Hat on the stick - it works fine, and I did that for at least 6 months...
-Llama
You can also map the rudder to the front 3 buttons on the throttle as I did.
New setup has a bit of a learning curve as all I had before was the old XFighter and used my keyboard exclusively for everything but shooting and views which were mapped to the stick. I seemed to be relitively competative with it.
Now Im not used to being able to work both the ruddrs and the throttle at the same time. Leading to more then a few G related blackouts I hadnt experienced before
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Between the death of my Evo (the worst 30 buck investment in gaming yet) and the purchase of the X-52 I now use, I attempted to map rudder controls to an old gameport CH stick I have. That was the most frustrating thing I have yet managed to setup with regards to my controls. I suppose it's a matter of what you're used to, and how determined you are to adapt. I doubt, given what I've seen in other people's stick profiles, that anyone but a monkey or lunatic could tolerate mine, but it's interesting to see the wide variety of setups.
I've used twisty sticks almost exclusively, and trying to adapt to rudder input as a set of buttons proved almost impossible. I'm still threatening to destroy an old stick to make it into rudder peds, but I've yet to rationalize wasting the time, figuring I'll never get used to using my feet.
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Holly #@$# DREDIOCK your using the X fighter, does your have the really stiff spring? I put a broom handle on mine and strapped the joystick to the floor. Here is a pic of my sim pit i had in vermont, kinda messy at the time.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/283_1110091465_dscn3225.jpg)
cheers, you must be ripped to be able to wield that baby withought an extension!
here is the link to the thread with more pics
http://targetware.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&p=62523#62523
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Originally posted by eilif
Holly #@$# DREDIOCK your using the X fighter, does your have the really stiff spring? I put a broom handle on mine and strapped the joystick to the floor. Here is a pic of my sim pit i had in vermont, kinda messy at the time.
cheers, you must be ripped to be able to wield that baby withought an extension!
LMAO that is one of the funniest setups I have ever seen.
I myself am collecting parts for my own version of a simpit. Which should get a chuckle or two as well.
But it will be the simpit of everyones dreams...trust me :D
Gahds! I thought my desk was a mess!
Glad to see Im not alone. LOL
Yea that apring used to be pretty damn stiff. But either the spring broke. Or whatever holds the spring in place broke long long long ago. Really about 2 months after I first got it.
Other then whats left of the spring hanging up once in a while. After the spring broke it felt remarkabaly similar to my CH stick
The spring still worked to autocenter the stick most of the time. but every once in a while it would catch on something inside and I'd have to wiggle it free. Got to the point where it was minor inconvienience really.
And as I already stated I used the stick like that for years.
I actually liked the stick.
The worst part was I'd keep wearing out the hatswitches. Usually the left view. and pushbutton switches So I'd buy up old "Top Gun" sticks and canniblise them for parts.
Though I wish I had realised I could get higher quality pushbutton switches at Radio Shack sooner then I did.
LOL I got to the point where if something broke in flight I wouldnt even log off of the game. Id just take the stick apart.replace what needed fixing. sometimes soldering new switches in place recalibrate. and continue on..
Eventually I ran out of places to get old Top Gun sticks and the stick itself got to the point where I had things superglued in place because the braces that held them in place broke off and the handle part of the stick itself was held together by way of electrical tape because Id had it apart so many times the screw holes were stripped.
So finally about a month ago I finally made good on my threat of the last 5 years on getting a new stick. and picked up the CH Fighterstick and Pro Throttle. And I've been mapping, and remapping ever since.
Im finally down to a couple of things to tweak to make it feel the most natural to me and I'm getting there in spurts. but I am also finding a bit of a learning curve with so many options available to me at the same time I didnt have before.
But prior to that. If youve gone up against me. All IO was using was a XFighter stick, and a keyboard
I now WANT pedals though..just because LOL
I'll probably get them in the spring when business picks up more.
For right now I figured this was the best bang for my buck
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Yah i got those TM Top Gun sticks and cannibalized em too, If you go to the link i posted you will see how i opened my tqs throttle and replaced the potentiometers and buttons with 2 top gun sticks inyards. There is a Top gun joystick behind the flcs joystick in the upper right hand corner, can only see siluette. I still have about 3 Top gun sticks i havent touched yet but plan too. Most of my crap is tapped together too, Custom ergonomics baby yah!
I love the pedals i got, 10 or more years old now but work like a charm, just gotta replace the potentiometer about every 3 years. (Thrustmaster RCS)
I run a game port to usb adaptor on all my stuff and it smoothes it right out, cant say how it works but it does!
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Originally posted by 68Ripper
What? you guys have throttles? No wonder I cant get a plane off the ground!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
Well this explains why i always see rippers arms sticking out the windows flapping like a madman on take-offs :lol :lol