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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: jhookt on February 13, 2007, 11:24:07 AM
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opinions?
personnally i think marty's coaching ability has been underrated in the NFL. Granted he has yet to have any success in the post season he has done some remarkable turn arounds for San Diego and KC(even tho the fruits were never realized)
why do you suppose franchises fail to allow marty to take teams to glory when other franchises allow coaches like mike shannahan continue to have dismal seasons?
too much instant gratification in the NFL?
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He's always been the bridesmaid and I believe Wade Phillips STAYING in San Diego, would have secured Marty's job. But, when Wade left, Marty was on the chopping block.
A shame San Diego was so close, now, it'll be crappy for em. How in the hell they are already favored to win next year's Super Bowl is beyond me. Indy and NE have a better team.
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He was fired because he got sideways with the GM. It's like any other job, interpersonal relationships and office politics are important. The fans just aren't aware of that and so they focus on the on-the-field performance.
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Wade Phillips will be run out of dallas in a year. Jerry Jones must be losing his mind to think this guy can put up ith the prima donnas like TO , Terry Glenn, and Bono.
On the flip side, Demarcus Ware should have a monster year, with that attacking style defense Phillips is known for.
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Anyone watching the SD/NE game knows why he was fired. Personally I am glad, being from Indiana, but man, what dumb, dumb coaching in places during that game. No way NE should have won. The only way for them to win was for SD to hand it to them, which they did.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
He's always been the bridesmaid and I believe Wade Phillips STAYING in San Diego, would have secured Marty's job. But, when Wade left, Marty was on the chopping block.
A shame San Diego was so close, now, it'll be crappy for em. How in the hell they are already favored to win next year's Super Bowl is beyond me. Indy and NE have a better team.
Indy has a salary cap problem, and likely to lose either Freeney (likely franchised though), Harper, June, and Rhodes.
Of those, Rhodes is almost certainly gone. That means they'll have to find another RB for their 2-back system. That won't necessarily be easy with the draft pick they have. Next gone is probably Harper. That one doesn't bother me so much, because he's been hurt more than not, and it hasn't hurt them all that much in the long haul. With Bob Sanders healthy, and keeping Dwight Freeney, I would imagine the defense will be okay- not great, but okay.
Indy's schedule next year will be tough.
Indy may lose some coaching. We'll see how that pans out. I hear SD is looking for coaches. ;)
All-in-all I'd say it'll be pretty tough for Indy to repeat.
I think NE may even be worse off. They are going to lose some key defensive players to free agency. They have done as well at anyone in replacing their talent, but I believe there's only so much you can overcome.
Chicago has the best chance to get back to the dance if you ask me. Replace one player and they are sitting pretty atop the NFC again. Jeff Garcia? Donovan McNabb? Imagine... stability in the quarterback slot. That's all it would have taken this year. Chicago could be sitting back with homefield advantage throughout playoffs again next year, no problem.
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Originally posted by myelo
He was fired because he got sideways with the GM. It's like any other job, interpersonal relationships and office politics are important. The fans just aren't aware of that and so they focus on the on-the-field performance.
That is "what is being said". Schottenheimer is the fall guy. They were 14-2 for pete's sake!
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Originally posted by Kieran
Anyone watching the SD/NE game knows why he was fired. Personally I am glad, being from Indiana, but man, what dumb, dumb coaching in places during that game. No way NE should have won. The only way for them to win was for SD to hand it to them, which they did.
hi Kieran. Long time!
Agreed, that was some pathetic coaching.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Wade Phillips will be run out of dallas in a year. Jerry Jones must be losing his mind to think this guy can put up ith the prima donnas like TO , Terry Glenn, and Bono.
On the flip side, Demarcus Ware should have a monster year, with that attacking style defense Phillips is known for.
Terry Glenn has been VERY productive since coming to Dallas and nothing ego related has surfaced that I've heard of. Who is Bono? Did Jerry buy U2???
I think Wade may have one of the longer runs as Head Coach under JJ.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
TO , Terry Glenn, and Bono.
On the flip side, Demarcus Ware should have a monster year, with that attacking style defense Phillips is known for.
You mean ROMO? :rofl
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Hello, Rip!
Romo got a bad deal on that. Bad snaps can happen to anyone. I'd say he had a pretty good season all said and done. He doesn't deserve nearly the hatred someone like, say, Rex deserves.
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Wasn't Romo's fault. That was Quest Field noise, Romo can thank my wife and oldest son, who were part of that noise that night. :D
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I think the moisture and brand new leather had more to do with it than noise. BTW, how did Seattle do the next week?
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Originally posted by Kieran
No way NE should have won. The only way for them to win was for SD to hand it to them, which they did.
Hell the Bears got nearly half the wins they had this year that way
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Originally posted by Kieran
Anyone watching the SD/NE game knows why he was fired. Personally I am glad, being from Indiana, but man, what dumb, dumb coaching in places during that game. No way NE should have won. The only way for them to win was for SD to hand it to them, which they did.
No, it was not handed to them, they took it away from the Chargers, and i'll explain. In almost every close game a play is made that changes the game. With about six minutes left in the game, the Pats faced a fourth and five. On the fourth down play Brady is picked off, game over right? Wrong.
A play was made.
Troy Brown, the savvy 35 year old receiver stripped the defender of the ball. Pats recover and drive to score the tying TD.
That is not having it handed to you, that is taking it away from them.
It's the NFL, no one gives you anything, you take it from them.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Wade Phillips will be run out of dallas in a year. Jerry Jones must be losing his mind to think this guy can put up ith the prima donnas like TO , Terry Glenn, and Bono.
On the flip side, Demarcus Ware should have a monster year, with that attacking style defense Phillips is known for.
Terry Glenn was pretty much the class of the field of wide recievers in Dallas and wasn't faking suicide , dropping big passes , acting like an idiot , mouthing off , or generally doing anything remotely like the T.0. Moron did.
As long as Jerry Jones owns , signs the checks , acts like the coach behind the scenes , general manager and pretty much tries to run everything the Cowboys will just be a 2nd level team. They wont be terrible all the time , but they'll generally fall short.
Jones BOUGHT 3 superbowls cause he paid thru the NOSE to get the players he did. HE put them in Salary cap probs. within the first 3 - 5 years and luckily for them it paid off. But its still a lingering problem.
Not to mention , why would you hire Wade Phillips , knowing the Jason Garret will be the "Next" head coach. And the next question is why did Wade take the job?
I mean...If money wasn't really an issue , would you WANT to work under JJ and deal with T.O.? Geesh why not get your gallballder yanked with some tylenol for pain?
The Cowbys have some strong talent. They need a 2nd'ary. Phillips may bring something to the table for that.
They need a stronger running back....and the need to get rid of that IRONBALL called T.O.
Oh and as I read in another thread....I hope the tuna lands in N.Y. Hope they beat the Cowboys next year as well if he is there. I wish he would meet T.O. in the middle of the field and give him a big ole finger and tell him something like...... Next level huh? You need to work on the level your at first before you venture up in class.
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Originally posted by RedTop
Jones BOUGHT 3 superbowls cause he paid thru the NOSE to get the players he did.
If he had left Jimmy Johnson alone they would have been good for three more superbowls
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Originally posted by Sixpence
If he had left Jimmy Johnson alone they would have been good for three more superbowls
At least three more.
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Originally posted by rpm
I think the moisture and brand new leather had more to do with it than noise. BTW, how did Seattle do the next week?
fell 10 yards short of winning the game...and played the bears alot better than N.O. did. Hell, Seattle would have played the Colts better than the bears did had we gone to the SB... we beat the Colts the year before! Of course, they had Edgerin James then...
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Sixpence,
Beside the fact the smart thing for the corner to do under the circumstances (see "Marlin Jackson" in the AFC championship game) was to fall down on the ball, it isn't really what I was referring to.
How 'bout going for it 4th-and-too-far-to-even-think-about-it in the first half? "I was just trying to fire my guys up!" What?! Gave NE short yardage and a score that mattered. Without that play alone we wouldn't even be talking about a stripped interception.
Dumb. Dumb, dumb, DUMB!
Now I'll give you Tom Brady may be the best in the business in making the most of whatever you give him, but NE needed SD to make some dumb mistakes to win. SD obliged, and much of the credit belongs squarely on Marty's shoulders.
SD just might have been the best balanced team in the league this year. They dominated regular season in the AFC. The players played pretty well in that game too, but the team did just enough to lose.
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Originally posted by Kieran
How 'bout going for it 4th-and-too-far-to-even-think-about-it in the first half? "I was just trying to fire my guys up!" What?! Gave NE short yardage and a score that mattered. Without that play alone we wouldn't even be talking about a stripped interception.
You're assuming that SD kicks a field goal, i'm assuming if they try to kick it gets blocked and run back for a TD
Now I'll give you Tom Brady may be the best in the business in making the most of whatever you give him, but NE needed SD to make some dumb mistakes to win. SD obliged, and much of the credit belongs squarely on Marty's shoulders.
It wasn't Marty would couldn't cover Reche Caldwell on a go route with the game on the line
SD just might have been the best balanced team in the league this year.
I think their secondary is quite suspect, covered by a good pass rush. But when a decent offensive line was able to give a good QB a few extra seconds, it was exposed.
but the team did just enough to lose.
I say it was New England who did just enough to win. As a Pats fan I could say the Pats did just enough to lose the AFC championship game, but Indy made more plays at the end to win the game. It is what it is.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
If he had left Jimmy Johnson alone they would have been good for three more superbowls
You sir are VERY correct. Forgot to metion that point as well.
Johnson was and probably still would be a GREAT coach. He could have won 2 or 3 more.
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Originally posted by Sixpence
You're assuming that SD kicks a field goal, i'm assuming if they try to kick it gets blocked and run back for a TD
I'm assuming you kick it for better field position and make NE travel farther for a score. True, their kicker is good and *might* have made it, but the distance was so far I wouldn't have gone for it. Pin 'em back at the 10 yard line if you can. It was too early in the game to get so reckless.
And yes, I do believe NE did just enough to lose the AFC championship. The Colts were down 21-3 in the first quarter. You've had an interception for a touchdown and a fumble into the endzone for another- clearly everything is going your way. It's still 21-6 at halftime. Yes, Indy needed help to get back in that game, I'd say.