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Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: TalonX on February 13, 2007, 05:09:25 PM
Please, for the love of god, fix the issue with jeeps killing tanks.  It's ridiculous.

Thanks.

Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: Airscrew on February 13, 2007, 05:32:41 PM
:huh   huh, kill the jeep first?
Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: tedrbr on February 13, 2007, 05:54:57 PM
Must be those sooper sneaky stealth jeeps I've hearing about.  The can't be seen or heard.  No detectable motion.


Considering what was done to the collision model in order to put GV's into the game, as I understand it, I don't see a fix coming any time soon.  Would take a major re-write of code I'm guessing...... but then, I don't coad.  

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Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: Denholm on February 13, 2007, 07:01:19 PM
Talon, under the current situation of GV collisions, this won't be fixed anytime soon.
Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: mussie on February 13, 2007, 08:33:28 PM
Ok...

correct me if I am wrong here but its not possible for a jeep to kill a panzer, t34 or Tiger. (other than by getting under the tanks skin so to speak)

So why not just code it that the jeeps 50 cal cannot kill the pilot if the target is a tank...?

easy to say, hard (time consuming) to do maybe
Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: Bronk on February 13, 2007, 08:49:39 PM
Best GD bug in the game.
Lazy spawn campers need to die due to stupidity.
If you let a jeep get near you it's your own damn fault.
Do you actually think a tank crew would let a jeep get any where near it?

Jump in the commanders position and kill it. Or are you just that lazy.
Jeeps die to rifle rounds faster than zekes to 110 cannon.


Bronk
Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: Ghosth on February 14, 2007, 05:31:18 AM
(Insert possible scenario here)

Jeep drives up to tiger currently busy ambushing a column of Sherman tanks.

4 guys jump out Place sticky bomb, satchel bomb, etc by tread, run around other side of tank for cover. BOOM

Tank is now tracked, commander sticks his head up trying to figure out where that came from. Guys shoot him in head, someone jumps up on top, drops grenade down hatch, slams hatch, jumps off. BOOM # 2.

Tiger is now dead to jeep.

Granted, if jeep gets in field of fire from tiger its dead.
If people get in field of fire of hull mg, they are dead.
Yet still totally possible for 4 guys in a jeep to take out, kill or otherwise disable a tiger.  If you add  2 guys with a bazooka in the back of jeep they'd make killing tigers a cinch.  


Kill them before they get that close.
If nothing else it keeps the spawn camping down to a dull roar.

Actually HT any chance of getting that as a loadout? Jeep with Bazooka & loader?

Rock on HTC
Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: croduh on February 14, 2007, 07:18:35 AM
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Originally posted by Ghosth
(Insert possible scenario here)

Jeep drives up to tiger currently busy ambushing a column of Sherman tanks.

4 guys jump out Place sticky bomb, satchel bomb, etc by tread, run around other side of tank for cover. BOOM

Tank is now tracked, commander sticks his head up trying to figure out where that came from. Guys shoot him in head, someone jumps up on top, drops grenade down hatch, slams hatch, jumps off. BOOM # 2.

Tiger is now dead to jeep.
 


WTH did they play Rambo in ww2?
Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: bzek74 on February 14, 2007, 07:35:11 AM
You forgot to say the people placing the sticky bombs were Tom Hanks and Matt Damon...Pretty sure I saw that somewhere hmmm :-p

90prf
Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: Denholm on February 14, 2007, 09:34:02 AM
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Originally posted by mussie
Ok...

correct me if I am wrong here but its not possible for a jeep to kill a panzer, t34 or Tiger. (other than by getting under the tanks skin so to speak)

So why not just code it that the jeeps 50 cal cannot kill the pilot if the target is a tank...?

easy to say, hard (time consuming) to do maybe

No, because currently the jeep is not shooting the so called "pilot / driver". It's shooting the vulnerable spot of the tank where the back of the turret meets the back of the tiger's body. That spot is naturally vulnerable as well as the front and back of the tracks. How do you think field guns can kill a tiger? Well, the jeep simply exploits that through the absence of collisions.
Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: DREDger on February 14, 2007, 11:49:12 AM
I read somewhere that if infantry could get close enough to tanks w/o getting killed, they could take it out with a machine gun.  

Tanks are were not 'air tight' as some might imagine.  If someone could shoot inside of an opening, like the drivers slit or gunners window, the bullet would ricochett around the tank and make mincemeat of those inside.

Anyway, I had a tiger killed by a jeep...grrrr.
Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: Oleg on February 14, 2007, 12:26:43 PM
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Originally posted by DREDger
I read somewhere that if infantry could get close enough to tanks w/o getting killed, they could take it out with a machine gun.  


I believe they couldnt. Most (if not all) medium/heavy tanks hadnt any openings you can shoot through. Hand grenades or incendiary bottle ("Molotov cocktail" :t ) can make a difference.
Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: DREDger on February 14, 2007, 01:43:42 PM
Most (if not all) medium/heavy tanks hadnt any openings you can shoot through.

Well, what about the slits the drivers looked through when driving with hatch closed?  How about the gunners viewport?

Dunno though, could be wrong.  Read it in a fictional book set in WW2.
Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: tedrbr on February 14, 2007, 01:59:15 PM
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Originally posted by duh
WTH did they play Rambo in ww2?


What, you never watched "The Rat Patrol"?

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Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: Oleg on February 14, 2007, 02:04:59 PM
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Originally posted by DREDger
Well, what about the slits the drivers looked through when driving with hatch closed?  How about the gunners viewport?


Dont sure about driver's window, but machine-guns hasnt open viewport, afaik.

T-34 forward machine-gun:
http://www.battlefield.ru/tanks/t34_76/t34_52.gif
Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: Denholm on February 14, 2007, 02:22:51 PM
You could always wait for the tank's MG to fire, then pop a bullet through the turret as they're re-arming.
Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: mussie on February 14, 2007, 02:44:58 PM
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Originally posted by Denholm
No, because currently the jeep is not shooting the so called "pilot / driver". It's shooting the vulnerable spot of the tank where the back of the turret meets the back of the tiger's body. That spot is naturally vulnerable as well as the front and back of the tracks. How do you think field guns can kill a tiger? Well, the jeep simply exploits that through the absence of collisions.


:huh

I think there is a BIG difference between a field gun and a 50 cal... But if what you are saying is correct then I have an incorrect understanding of the problem.....
Title: Jeeps!!
Post by: Denholm on February 14, 2007, 06:20:32 PM
Well, how else would a jeep be capable of killing a tiger? A field gun only takes 1 hit in the right spot. I figured that out the hard way. I was rolling up onto a Vehicle field. The gun started shooting from 1K away, about 6 hits pinged, and 1 stuck (The hard hit you hear when bullets tear through your armor), after that I saw the lovely vehicle field tower.