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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Halo on February 13, 2007, 07:59:30 PM
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Somebody in some thread mentioned something about planning to speed up some gun purchases in case a more restrictive Democrat majority is elected in 2008.
Who is seriously worried about that possibility? If so, what sort of gun purchases would you make now that you think might be restricted if Democrats go back to their traditional tighter gun controls?
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Worried? Hopeful.
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This has happened before, and retailers are jumping for joy at the surge of panic purchases just like they did last time.
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Remember the large capacity mag ban? That was a wonderful example of feel good do nothing legislation along with the "assault rifle" crap. No impact on anyone but the law abiding in the country.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Worried? Hopeful.
You like that idea ehh? Every time Great Britan enacted tighter gun controls their crime rate went up right after.
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Mace, he means Judgement Day/The Glorious Revolution could be drawing nigh.
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Originally posted by moot
Mace, he means Judgement Day/The Glorious Revolution could be drawing nigh.
:rofl
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unfortunately... the hi cap mag ban is still in effect in a few states.
Mall shootings by muslims will help gun sales as will democrats being elected.
democrats and muslim terrorists are equally dangerous to me with the edge in real quantifiable danger going to the democrats.
lazs
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I'm not real worried about getting anymore guns. I already have a decent collection.
What I see becoming a problem will be getting ammo for them. That's what I'm stocking up on.
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Remember the large capacity mag ban? That was a wonderful example of feel good do nothing legislation along with the "assault rifle" crap. No impact on anyone but the law abiding in the country.
I don't have time to worry about the federal level. That circle jerk is already moving full speed ahead in ILL at the state level. We will have the honor of being the most restrictive state on the 2nd in he union, I believe. Filp of a coin for passage this year, with no indication of a grandfather clause.
Charon
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Every time Great Britan enacted tighter gun controls their crime rate went up right after.
False. Crime has fallen since the last major change in firearms laws in 1997.
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crime is so bad in England , they are thinking of giving guns to the police.
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Originally posted by lazs2
unfortunately... the hi cap mag ban is still in effect in a few states.
Mall shootings by muslims will help gun sales as will democrats being elected.
democrats and muslim terrorists are equally dangerous to me with the edge in real quantifiable danger going to the democrats.
lazs
Ours is one step away from being repealed. :) All we are waiting for is our Republican Gov. to sign it. The bill passed its last hurdle in the Hawaii Senate last Thursday. A bill introduced by a Democrat by the way. He's even a NRA member. Imagine that.
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star... if he is one of the 1% who will consitently vote against more gun laws then I am happy for you but... he is a democrat and he will vote with the other democrats when push comes to shove.
I realize that there may be some minor exceptions but not enough to trust any democrat with important things like human rights and the constitution and electing judges and such.
he will break your heart if you are still naive about democrats.
lazs
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Lazs, its not a matter of being naive. I realize the Democratic PARTY has swung far to the left, and has been there for decades. That does not mean there arent conservative Democrats out there who vote their conscience and not the party line, who are NRA members, and who believe in the Constitution. And while they are a minority in the party, its something we want to see changed. Hope is not naive.
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And btw, to get this back on topic .........
Related to the questions that started this thread, gun purchases in the State of Hawaii were up by 27% for 2006, and are on a good pace to increase yet again this year.
Of course the local mouthpiece rag spins it by saying "More guns in the hands of criminals".
Even more guns in the hands of non-criminals. :)
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You guys have won me over.
More guns and free ammo.
In fact, upon turning 18, lets give each person without a criminal record 15 guns and a billion rounds of ammo.
That should fix everything.
All the Best,
hap
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Oh they will
Count on it.
And when it does, there is nothing you can do about it. Allways remember, nothing stops crime more that taking firearms away from sportsmen. It's like working for minimum wage at a Starkist Tuna plant...
Now all the Dems have to do is keep the war going untill 2008 so they can use it in the election. Any takers on that bet?
:furious
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Originally posted by Hap
In fact, upon turning 18, lets give each person without a criminal record 15 guns and a billion rounds of ammo.
typical liberal answer, spend more taxpayer money, just where are you going to get money for 15 guns and a billion rounds of ammo?
raise taxes?
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If someone runs into your shopping mall, shooting wildly, will you:
A. Look around in panic and hope there's a cop there to save your butt?
B. Look around in absolute hopelessness and hope theres a fat rentacop to dive behind?
C. Look around for something to cower under because you have absolutely no options?
D. Look around for a target as you draw your weapon, because you're prepared to defend yourself and the innocent people around you?
E. Walk up to the someone and calmly explain to them that they aren't being very nice, and that maybe an orange julius might help them feel better?
I got a D+ on this one. How 'bout you?
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Hap, you obviously know as little about guns as you do about history. Do yourself a favor and read a book or two.
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Gee Hawk, thanks for taking an interest in my welfare.
All the Best,
hap
p.s. I am surprised, despite my sarcasam, that some didn't respond with "that's a great idea! Law abiding citizens (no criminal record) being issued plenty of guns and plenty of ammo.
Seriously, which of you gun toting red blooded patriotic Americans has a problem with that?
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p.s. I am surprised, despite my sarcasam, that some didn't respond with "that's a great idea! Law abiding citizens (no criminal record) being issued plenty of guns and plenty of ammo.
Seriously, which of you gun toting red blooded patriotic Americans has a problem with that?
Sounds like another big government entitlement program to me. Don't think we could afford the cost of the program. Also sounds a bit coercive, which doesn't go along with individual rights all that much.
However, there are some 80 million responsible, legal gun owners in America today as a base to pull from for CCW, so it hardly seems to be a "need" kind of thing.
A better solution would be to just outlaw terrorism and other bad behavior -- like we do with narcotics. For example, cocaine is illegal in all 50 states and every country on our border. Since it's been illegal for half a century, there has been no cocaine available anywhere in the US. Problem solved. Do that with crime, and prohibit firearm ownership, and we could all live in peace and without fear. Simple really.
Charon
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Originally posted by Charon
Since it's been illegal for half a century, there has been non cocaine available anywhere in the US. Problem solved.
Check.
hap
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Originally posted by Hap
p.s. I am surprised, despite my sarcasam, that some didn't respond with "that's a great idea! Law abiding citizens (no criminal record) being issued plenty of guns and plenty of ammo.
Seriously, which of you gun toting red blooded patriotic Americans has a problem with that?
i responded, you ignored, you need some help with anger management. seriously.
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yep hap... people did respond. Your solution to any problem is to get the government involved with some sort of entitlement program.
as charon so eloquently explained... we already have more than 80 million gun owners to draw from and free enterprise will add even more once the government gets out of it.
people like you will never get it and.. that is fine... I wish you a safe life... and, if you are ever in a really bad position I hope someone with a gun is there to save you.
It is probly best for everyone that people like you who lack the courage and the will to take responsibility for their own protection... it is better that you are not armed.. there is no shame in it.
lazs
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Originally posted by Charon
Sounds like another big government entitlement program to me. Don't think we could afford the cost of the program. Also sounds a bit coercive, which doesn't go along with individual rights all that much.
However, there are some 80 million responsible, legal gun owners in America today as a base to pull from for CCW, so it hardly seems to be a "need" kind of thing.
A better solution would be to just outlaw terrorism and other bad behavior -- like we do with narcotics. For example, cocaine is illegal in all 50 states and every country on our border. Since it's been illegal for half a century, there has been no cocaine available anywhere in the US. Problem solved. Do that with crime, and prohibit firearm ownership, and we could all live in peace and without fear. Simple really.
Charon
that was so funny I cried.
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Originally posted by Hap
You guys have won me over.
More guns and free ammo.
In fact, upon turning 18, lets give each person without a criminal record 15 guns and a billion rounds of ammo.
That should fix everything.
All the Best,
hap
See, I think that the problem here is that you are sort of sheltered in the current environment in which you live. Last time I checked, Casper, or any of Wyoming for that matter, doesn't have too many targets that a terrorist would find appealing. As a result of that, it seems that you have your blinders on as to what goes on in other parts of the country. See in Wyoming, people have guns for sport, hunting etc. Correct me if I'm wrong, but is there a great need for defensive firearms up there?
From what I've read, your whole state has just under twice the population as the town I live in, which doesn't say much. Yes, that means 50th largest, population wise in the nation (out of 50). You have one area code. I'd say that tucked away in your sheltered world up there, you might want to look at what's going on elsewhere before you make uneducated statements as to what is good for the country when it comes to any topics, not just this one.
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Sorry Hap, but I didn't detect any sarcasm in that statement. If any, sounded like a gunophobe trying to represent the responsible gun ownership argument. If you are for responsible gun ownership then I agree with you. If you are actually proposing that the government hand out guns to people, worse yet at taxpayer expense then I am very very not in agreement.
Whatever your views on guns, if you still think that historians exist only to write books for their own profit then you still know nothing about history.
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Helrazr, you think no one ever gets mugged in Wyoming? They got meth there too. Its all good till it happens to you, isn't it?
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I think that the message may have been skewed by the level of irritation at the time the post was written.
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4- Members should post in a way that is respectful of other users and HTC. Flaming or abusing users is not tolerated.
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That's great! The Dems are arming themselves to fight off the Repubs and the Repubs are arming themselves to fight off the Dems. :rolleyes:
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smash... there are many reasons to be armed.. I don't say you are right or wrong...
But to say you are a democrat for guns is like saying that you are a peta member that has a cattle ranch. You are a hypocrite unless... Unless you are willing to break the law as your party bans your right to go armed.
Unconstitutional gun laws are the meat of your party... when you vote for democrats you are voting to disarm yourself and your fellow citizens. You can wiggle all you want but that it the long and the short of it.
lazs
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Originally posted by smash
The Republicans such as yourself sound more and more like the Taliban every day. pointy white hat out of the closet and march over to burn my house.
wow, the republicans have gone from being neocon nazis to the taliban.
cute referance to the "pointy white hat".
lets see if we can summerize, repubs are rightwinggunnutneoconKKKtalib an.
have i left out anything?
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Now why can't the Iraqi factions have civilized discussions like this? :huh
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Originally posted by VOR
This has happened before, and retailers are jumping for joy at the surge of panic purchases just like they did last time.
You changed your avatar. Used to be the one the ATC folks wear. Did you deploy last year with those folks out of there where you're at now?
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Originally posted by texasmom
You changed your avatar. Used to be the one the ATC folks wear. Did you deploy last year with those folks out of there where you're at now?
We reflagged under the Division. Our unit has always stationed at Campbell and worked for the 101st, but actually belonged to Bragg. We're officially flagged under the 101 now, though. It's good thing because working for one post while assigned to another was weird and caused a lot of admin problems.
Yes, we deployed in 03 and again in 05. Got back last September.
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Originally posted by VOR
Yes, we deployed in 03 and again in 05. Got back last September.
Welcome back:)
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Originally posted by lazs2
smash... there are many reasons to be armed.. I don't say you are right or wrong...
But to say you are a democrat for guns is like saying that you are a peta member that has a cattle ranch. You are a hypocrite unless... Unless you are willing to break the law as your party bans your right to go armed.
Unconstitutional gun laws are the meat of your party... when you vote for democrats you are voting to disarm yourself and your fellow citizens. You can wiggle all you want but that it the long and the short of it.
lazs
Why does one have to choose sides and be labeled anything? I absolutely love how the panic sets in the second some one throws out the dreaded 'gun control' topic.
I hang out on the AR-15.com boards as I've owned ARs for the last 25 years, through the so called "ban" etc. Nothing ever stopped me from owning any gun I wanted.
The guys on the AR board are all pissing themselves silly waiting for the first signs of the black helicoptors, the UN and the evil Dems to come take their guns. There are some of them that actually scare me as between the lines you can just see them salivating at the notion of 'pry my gun from my cold dead hands." They can't wait to go 'tactical" on the Robot cops and military men who will sell out etc.
It embarrasses me to see them talk so stupidly.
If the Dems are stupid enough to make gun control the big issue, then they're just as clueless as GWB and company have shown themselves to be. They'll be voted out so fast their heads will spin.
But it's a beautiful 'flashpoint' issue to raise cause it gets so many people's undies in a bunch.
And let's face it, if I'm a gun manufacturer like Bushmaster, Armalite, DPMS and the like, I'm thrilled because the panic stocking up on guns will go into effect and sales will jump. The AR board guys are all trying to decide how many AR-15s are enough to have in case a ban returns. They can't decide if it's more guns or more mags and ammo....
And if by some reason which I can't fathom another phony 'ban' goes into effect, it will drive the prices up of the 'pre-ban" guns again and folks can make a ton of money off their investments like they did last time.
But hey, anytime you are in Minnesota and you want to come shoot my pre-ban AR-15 and 'ban" AR-15 so you can see the difference, let me know. I can't find any other then I can't put a bayonet on my 'ban' AR. Why I need a bayonet I have no idea :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
I can't find any other then I can't put a bayonet on my 'ban' AR. Why I need a bayonet I have no idea :)
You DON'T need a bayonet, that's the point. The Democrats decided you'd poke your eye out with a bayonet so they banned the attachment.
A careful, well thought out move that has doubtlessly saved millions of eyes.
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The demodorks are worried about drive-by bayonetting!
I think the sight of a bayonet scares the woman inside all of them. :rofl
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Originally posted by Nashwan
False. Crime has fallen since the last major change in firearms laws in 1997.
Really? That's a pretty broad and irrelevant statement considering "crime" includes everything from shoplifting to larceny. Does shoplifting have anything to do with gun control or are we talking just violent crime? “Gun Control in England: The Tarnished Gold Standard,” written by historian Joyce Lee Malcolm and published in the fall 2004 issue of Journal on Firearms & Public Policy:
[Between 1997 and 2003] crimes with [banned firearms] have more than doubled.... In 2002, for the fourth consecutive year, gun crime in England and Wales rose — by 35 percent for all firearms, and by a whopping 46 percent for the banned handguns. Nearly 10,000 firearms offenses were committed....
Clearly since the ban criminals have not found it difficult to get guns and the balance has not shifted in the interest of public safety....
In the four years from 1997 to 2001 the rate of violent crime more than doubled. The UK murder rate for 2002 was the highest for a century....
A recent study of all the countries of western Europe has found that in 2001 Britain had the worst record for killings, violence and burglary, and its citizens had one of the highest risks in the industrialized world of becoming victims of crime....
Want more?
Click (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1440764.stm) Click (http://www.reason.com/news/show/28582.html) Click (http://www.lewrockwell.com/watson/watson12.html) Click (http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=7862)
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i like the film clip of Boxer trying to put the mag in backwards and saying " you don't have to aim this gun , you just spray and shoot".
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guppy.. maybe you forgot the assault weapons ban? the high capacity mag ban? How bout the .50 caliber ban in kalifornia... as goes kalifornia... so goes the rest of the democrat run states..
Maybe you don't care about either but do you really think the democrats will stop there?
Every bad, unconstitutional gun law ever passed was put forth and passed by democrats. They introduce hundreds of new gun laws a year. How is it paranoid to think that they will continue to do so?
They are the enemy. I can not comprimise with them in any way that I can see. They have nothing I want.
Oh.. whoever talked about the KKK... they realize that was formed and run by democrats right? At the hight of racial inequality in the south.. the democrats were running things there and fought every measure to bring equal rights to all citizens.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
guppy.. maybe you forgot the assault weapons ban? the high capacity mag ban? How bout the .50 caliber ban in kalifornia... as goes kalifornia... so goes the rest of the democrat run states..
Maybe you don't care about either but do you really think the democrats will stop there?
Every bad, unconstitutional gun law ever passed was put forth and passed by democrats. They introduce hundreds of new gun laws a year. How is it paranoid to think that they will continue to do so?
They are the enemy. I can not comprimise with them in any way that I can see. They have nothing I want.
Oh.. whoever talked about the KKK... they realize that was formed and run by democrats right? At the hight of racial inequality in the south.. the democrats were running things there and fought every measure to bring equal rights to all citizens.
lazs
Laz, it's the idea that one label covers all people. You point it out beautifully with the KKK comparison. Southern Democrats were far more to the right then most Republicans. Dixicrats I think was the term. That hardly applies to Minnesota Democrats where I live.
My Dad voted Republican in Minnesota all his life because they best fit his beliefs. he'd vote Democrat in Minnesota now because the Republicans have moved too far right for him while the Dems have come much more centrest (not sure I spelled that right)
The introduction of a bill that could become law is just that. It doesn't mean it's going to pass. Certain folks make their name on certain issues. It's like the representative that introduces the Draft bill every chance he gets. That's his signature. The AR15 board folks all panicked about the first bill introduced this term. One guy finally piped up and said, that representative introduces a gun control bill every year.
As for the high cap magazine part of the last ban. It had absolutely no teeth as there were so many high cap mags out there, that all it did was make more money for the folks who sold them.
My son was old enough to get into the hobby during the ban. He became a real AK expert. I learned a ton about all the different variants from him. It's amazing how many 30 round mags are in this house from that time.
His Polish underfolder AK47 is a good example of the 'teeth' the last AWB had. When he had it built, the guy who built it, pinned the folding stock so it wouldn't fold. He soldered a bead of metal on the bayonet lug so it wasn't usable. Other then that, it was a beautifully built semi-auto AK.
The day the ban died, the pin came out and the bead of metal came off.
That particular ban was nothing but window dressing that those who voted for could point to and claim they'd accomplished something. It was laughable if you paid any attention to it at all.
All it did was raise prices on "pre-ban" rifles, making a ton of money for those guys because there were folks who were outraged they couldn't have a bayonet lug or a flash suppressor. And you could get all the hi-cap mags you wanted, they just cost a few bucks more.
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Guppy has a point that some people are a little over rabid about their own power, and that some people do seem to be waiting and hoping that someone will try to take their guns. The 'make my day' crowd are a little scary, but they are certainly not the mainstream. Not that he's using this as an argument against guns, but I would put it as one directly for guns. Those skinhead bastards have been arming up for decades. I'd like to be ready for them when they go psycho.
Why need a bayonet? Simple, and you can tell all the gunophobes this one when they bring up the 'you don't ever need a bayonet' argument.
Gun Rack. Simple as that. Ever go out on a wet day, or in the snow? Don't quite have enough blankets or are they getting snow kicked on them? Downrange and need to set your rile down for a minute but don't want to walk back to the firing line? Bayonet. Protect your investment. Stick it in the ground. Won't get too wet. Won't get a bunch of grit in it. Won't mar the nice wood furniture.
(http://www.68thlightninglancers.com/images/soggy.JPG)
They cook hot dogs really well too.
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What happened to the furniture on that poor SKS? tsk tsk.
;)
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Yeah, it came with that stock, but I have the matching original in my closet, keeping it nice. I got it with that one for no extra monies and i figured it would be a little tougher than the wood. I know someone with that stock and it fit me well. It's really flimsy at the joint where it folds though, an the other person I knew with one already broke his (roughhousing on a cold winer day, I wasn't there). Seemed nice to save space in my case too, but i worry every time I put the butt on the ground. I think I'm going to get another wood stock and stain it a dark green or something. I have two other friends who still have theirs in the wood, but their matching furniture is taking a beating. Been telling them we should all three get some and do it. If anyone else out there is thinking about restocking their SKS in something synthetic, I'd reccomend a druganov, a monte carlo or the T6, though I haven't gotten my hands on a T6, so don't take my word on how strong it is.
Oh, and yes, I know that a SKS isn't really a great rifle to put a scope on, but I did it anyway. I'm under no dillusions of accuracy. I use it for spotting, and every once in a while I actually aim a shot through it.
And yes, the spike bayonet is pretty requisite for cooking hot dogs. Not sure how one would pull that off with a blade. The spike is just a better design for thrusting. The chisel tip on it is pretty menacing. Can't pop it off, but its always there when you need it, and the extra weight keeps the muzzle climb down.
Any other SKSophiles out there? Check out http://www.simonov.net (http://www.simonov.net)
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Originally posted by lazs2
But to say you are a democrat for guns is like saying that you are a peta member that has a cattle ranch.
Well I hunt with a group of guys and women that are split right down the middle politically, and one of those Democrats has 40+ weapons in a converted refrigerator.
I guarantee anyone walking around in that field stating crap like that would get dusted good... by a couple of 70 year old men. And thats what needs to happen.
The things that have been said by the far right of your party have been at the level of fanaticism for some time -- and thats where the Taliban reference comes from.
Reading through this forum for the first time over the last week or so I've seen the most stupid bunk being posted. The "Democrats don't support the troops" BS. Really? In the circle I know the number of Democrats who have served outnumbers Republicans - though not by a huge amount. And the entitlement program comments are a laugh. I hate to say it, but their are two lazy SOBs I know that are on disability and they are both Republicans.
What this country needs are people who got the stones to stand up and admit sh^& decisions. Doesn't do any good to look around and try to figure out a way to wiggle out of it and point the finger somewhere else. I got no problem with honest people, but I got little tolerance for the rest.
People in this country wiggling and cackling and carrying on trying to fester up hate are hurting us all. While that crap is going on some asscracker is going to drive a truck in over the border with a nice surprise for all of us, and trust me -- he won't care if he kills Republicans or Democrats. About that time you'll figure out both you and I hang the same flag at our house, but by then it will be too late.
As far as the pointy hat reference, well you better believe the ignorant and mob mentality go hand in hand. And for sure we all learned something from watching New Orleans, and that is that things break down quick. You think I'm looking at a new Kimber because I'm worried Venezuala is going to invade?
Its not like Harold Rudolph was a liberal Democrat..... The violent fringe element tends to hang out a bit more on your side of the ideological fence.
You need to think though a little better what your presumptions are. You really think my representatives don't know
a) I support gun ownership
b) I don't think very much of the so-called "immigration reform"
And if you think I was rough on you, imagine the conversation with a fellow liberal if the dingus is dumb enough to tell me I shouldn't own a gun... thats when I really get bent out of shape.
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I'm not too worried. About the worst the Dems are likely to do, and it would be a strech, is re-instate the AW ban. Big whoop. I can still buy and own more firearms than I will ever be able to shoot.
I do hate the 50 cal ban. I think it's rediculous I can have a "compensator" but not a "flash hider". Who gives a crap about the length of the barrel, how the stock is layed out, bayonets or grenade launchers? I just can't see any of these things being significant to the legality of the weapon in any way.
Why can't they just cut all the bull and say:
1. Semi-auto
2. 10 round mags
I think we can all live with that. I know I could. You would have to find some huge mut**a-f**kin zombie hordes to actually NEED a large cap mag.
And when you have an excess of ammo you tend to just squander it anyways, right? :)
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smash... you are from Il. I wouldn't say that the political climate there was too sensible.
I would be glad to tell every one of your gun hording buddies who vote democrat just how badly they are betraying the cause of the second amendment. Your state is one of the most restrictive in the nation... the fact that you are fine with that is proof that listening to you (or your friends) on guns and voting is a waste of time.
I know I hit a nerve on this... everyone who owns firearms and supports the second feels guilty if they vote democrat... they excuses are always so contrived that it is disgusting. I think selfish is the key democrat trait and some of you guys can't decide if you want rights or want to be selfish.
A lot of people here seem to feel that so long as the law only affects the other guy... they can live with it... but as owning and shooting and the shooting sports become more regulated and more trouble to do... we will lose enthusiasts and new shooters.. that is the democrats plan... make it such a pain to buy and own firearms that it will die out or, at least.. lose the power of the voting block.
The feeling that it is only affecting others is bull... it is jim crow all over.. It is not for those "others" it is coming for you...
Every time they pass new laws in kalifornia... another gun I own is questionable... another one I want is out of the question.. how is that not a bad thing? Who cares if we have a stock of 30 round mags... if everyone had all they wanted then there wouldn't have been such a surge in buying em when the ban was lifted.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Oh.. whoever talked about the KKK... they realize that was formed and run by democrats right?
There is only one senator (currently) in congress who was ever a member of the KKK and he was actually one of the leaders, the man in question is the senior senator from West Virginia.
Remember the Republican run out of his office as majority leader for saying something about Strom Thurmond that folks felt had racial overtones? The man in question was Trent Lott.
So a republican is a racist for saying something positive about someone who was a racist, and a democrat is not a racist even if he was a leader of the KKK...mmmm-kay...got it.
EDIT: So Dan, what's your name on arfcom? Those guys give me the willies sometimes too...."zombies" indeed!
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Originally posted by Edbert
EDIT: So Dan, what's your name on arfcom? Those guys give me the willies sometimes too...."zombies" indeed!
Guppy35 over there too. I don't post much at all. I let myself slip into one thread lately where they are talking about what do do to prepare for the next ban.
I know I should just stay out of it, like I should here too, but I couldn't help myself :)
I like ARs cause they're fun to shoot. I don't get those guys who buy these nice light rifles and then throw 10 pounds of stuff on em to 'go tactical' with the lazer sites, flashlights, rails, taped together mags and the works. I can't figure out where in shooting them, that comes in handy unless your fantasy is to 'go tactical' in some dark alley with a bunch of zombies attacking you :)
I tend to pay more attention to the retro forum as I like the A1 uppers and more simple early AR look.
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LOL Guppy, you aren't alone. The culture has even coined he new word "tacticool". I heard (read) one guy who put it rather well when it comes to ARs and accessories: After 2 years and $8000, you'll wise up and get back to the basics. :D
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m140/nvtaz/wowgun.jpg)
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LOL! All it's missing is the fuzzy dice hanging from the rear view mirror :)
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The fuzzy dice are hanging on the operator but they are very hard to see due to the miniscule size.:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Maverick
The fuzzy dice are hanging on the operator but they are very hard to see due to the miniscule size.:rolleyes:
I do tend to agree, cause they seem to be compensating for something :)
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I got a home-made 16" flat-top blaster with a railed forend, an eotech, flip-ups front and rear, and a VFG. Pimped? Maybe to some, but certainly not by arfcom standards. It is still lightweight, handy, and fun to shoot. Was thinking about converting to 7.62X39 since almost all my shooting (with it) is at 100yds or less and I enjoy the penetrative qualities compared to the 5.56NATO.
I have a full sized heavy "sniper" version of the AR too, also hand built by me, but I don't shoot it much. If I want to REALLY go sniper I use my 0.5-MOA Weatherby MkV chambered for 300 winmag :D
Back on topic...I am waiting to hear all of those bolt-action scoped deer rifles being called "sniper rifles" by the gun-nazis once hillary becomes president.
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I've been curious as to that myself.
I once saw a guy use a home bult rifle able to hit dimes at 300 yards every shot. That would scare any democrat.
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My dentist is a hunter... doesn't own anything that isn't a scoped bolt action rifle.... He is in boone and crocket with 10 of his animals.
He can shoot a .270 and make a 500 or six hundred yard shot.. he makes longer ones with his wetherby... I fully expect that the gun grabbing democrats will eventually get around to noticing that he has a potential to be a "sniper" and ban his guns and... kill his hunting.
If democrats had their way no one would be able to own a gun except their bodyguards. If you continue to vote for them then they will eventually get their way.
It is that simple.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I think selfish is the key democrat trait and some of you guys can't decide if you want rights or want to be selfish.
While I somewhat agree with this statement, I must point out in all fairness that this statement fits equally well to the Republican party. It might be on different issues, but there are plenty of places that the Republican party is screwing us over and taking our rights.
It's not like the Republicans are the defenders of liberty, or that the Democrats are a bastion of 'progressive values'. Believing these things will lead you into their slavery, as they intend.
Just because someone is pro gun and agrees with the rest of the democratic party on other issues doesn't make them a bad person. I think they should realize the full ramifications of their support for that party, but it is their choice. Personally I think people who so strongly support the republicans should also realize that their party is behaving extremely despotically. (patriot act, renditions, guitmo, Jose Padilla, numerous cases of outright lying to the American people, ignoring blaring problems of inequity while demanding more rights for the extensively wealthy, increasing the police state, incarceration and the drug war)
Point is, politics are messy, and we aint none of us smelling like flowers. Republicans are bastards and Democrats are whiners.
If we could ALL take pelosi, bush, condi, both clintons, and everyone else who is trying to sell us short and tell them to get off the ship, well there'd be a hell of a lot more shrimp cocktail for everyone else who isn't trying to muscle their way onto the bridge without their boating liscence. I'd tell these people to go to hell, but I don't want them to screw it up before I get there (you know bush and clinton would clean out the bar).
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Originally posted by 68Hawk
--snippage---
You sir have a way with words...
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Originally posted by Edbert
You sir have a way with words...
Yes he does. It took him 5 paragraphs to say absolutely nothing, yet half the people here will think that he said something amazing.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Yes he does. It took him 5 paragraphs to say absolutely nothing, yet half the people here will think that he said something amazing.
yea, we should use your example and only use one sentence to say absolutely nothing.
:D I cant help myself its in my genetic makup to be a smartass
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68... I agree with you.. the republicans are no prize.
But.. to vote for democrats is to cut off your nose to spite your face. If you own a firearm and believe the second is an individual right then...
You would have to believe that it is perhaps one of our most important ones. Democrats are attacking it in a very large way... without it we have no constitution.
I believe that republicans are simply the lesser of two evils but that there is a huge gap in degree of evil. I believe that no right is being attacked so viciously as the right to keep and bear arms.
The democrats haven't even figured out their new seating order and they are already intruducing a flurry of anti firearms rights bills to pay off their rabid anti gun rights supporters.
lazs
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Originally posted by Hap
Gee Hawk, thanks for taking an interest in my welfare.
All the Best,
hap
p.s. I am surprised, despite my sarcasam, that some didn't respond with "that's a great idea! Law abiding citizens (no criminal record) being issued plenty of guns and plenty of ammo.
Seriously, which of you gun toting red blooded patriotic Americans has a problem with that?
Not Me, I have no problem with that, and neither does the NRA ...
CHECKERS
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Originally posted by Airscrew
yea, we should use your example and only use one sentence to say absolutely nothing.
:D I cant help myself its in my genetic makup to be a smartass
Don't do in 5 what you can do in one.
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Gosh laser, sorry to burn your eyes out with all that reading. You seem to feel like some party actually respects you and wants to represent your political opinion. Sorry to say that you're very wrong.
Both parties want your subservience. Simple as that. They are both equally evil in my book, and yeah thats just my opinion, but theres a lot of record from each party to back that up.
Many Republicans are leaning on the side of religious fundamentalism (very dangerous), and the party has for a long time been anchored in racism, sexism and a mentality that says American can do whatever it wants in the world because it says so.
Many Democrats are in the business of selling out our own personal security, and are spreading their own mentality that contradicts personal responsibility and agency. They want to take your guns, increase government with seemingly no regard for final size or efficacy, and sink the American people into a state of, well, state dependence.
The more we favor one demon over the other, the more we miss solutions that could potentially have helped us all.
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There's another five paragraphs for you. Really its two, but I broke it up so some of the less literate among us can follow it easily. laser, if you don't like it, don't waste your time, but if I want to write 5 full paragraphs you'll see a lot more than a couple sentences strung together at a time.
I welcome all constructive responses.:aok
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68... I think that without the second amendment we are lost. the democrats want to dismantle it... simple as that.
As for the republicans being racist and sexist... I see that as more of a democrat thing... every racist I can think of is democrat... like "hate crimes" and "affirmative action" and other race and sex based policies and laws.
The democrats are constantly passing bills and laws that discriminate based on race or sex.
lazs
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brevity is a virtue.
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Originally posted by lazs2
68... I think that without the second amendment we are lost. the democrats want to dismantle it... simple as that.
As for the republicans being racist and sexist... I see that as more of a democrat thing... every racist I can think of is democrat... like "hate crimes" and "affirmative action" and other race and sex based policies and laws.
The democrats are constantly passing bills and laws that discriminate based on race or sex.
I'm with you on the racist/sexist part of this but not accross the board.
Republicans talk of lowering governmetal intrusion and spending but they've come up with reams of new proposals/rules/regulations and increased spending more than Bill Clinton did in his wettests dreams, and the R's are far more fascist when it comes to matters of personal freedom (except for firearms) and the bedroom than the democrats.
You've got to admit that both of our parties are run by extremeists that only want to tell you what to do and how to think all while they line their pockets and pad their offshore bank accounts. I've long wished that the Republicans would just be honest and rename their party to be the Nazi party, then the Democrats can also be honest and call themselves the Communist party and leave those of us who are Libertarian at heart the fsck alone!
Originally posted by john9001
brevity is a virtue.
The quote you're looking for is "Brevity is the soul of wit".
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question for you guys, do you leave your house (only) armed with a weapon?
or just entering shopping mall's armed? ;)
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Originally posted by Edbert
The quote you're looking for is "Brevity is the soul of wit".
i was not quoting someone else, that is my quote.
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For the brevity to have soul, it should have had wit first.
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ed... Of course I agree that both parties want more and more control of me... I just think that the democrats are the far more dangerous of the two AT THIS TIME.
I think that it is prudent to have conservative supreme court judges on that will protect my second amendment rights when one party or the other pushes everyone over the edge.
I don't see a real revolution as laser does but I do see some hard times with roving bands of criminals and riots. I would prefer to be armed and not in prison when this happens.
I would prefer that my arms were legal and that I could continue to enjoy and practice with them and that my fellow citizens were enjoying their rights too.
It would make it far more pleasant when the rioting and crime started.
lazs
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Around here, my Republican Congressman is rated a solid F by the NRA. A full RINO. On social issues he is perhaps more in line with my views (being moderate without being a full blown "handout" progressive) but not that distinct from the local democrats. He also playes up the fiscal conservative/foreign policy conservative Republican talking points, but in action he's a Neocon liberal in these areas.
So... Last election I voted for the Democrat. No real difference at all where my key issues are concerend (and his voting pattern shows he walks the talk), and as long as he's in office no option to get a countering viewpoint. There certainly is none from a Cook County Democrat, so why not get this RINO out and hope the next Republican has a different perspective -- at least an abstain type vs an active supporter of the Daley gun ban crowd.
Charon
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Charon,
If you could get the daley pile o' crap out of office there you'd have a better chance of getting someone new to run. As long as daley has his empire he controls pretty much everything. Capone woulda been proud of him.:mad:
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If you could get the daley pile o' crap out of office there you'd have a better chance of getting someone new to run. As long as daley has his empire he controls pretty much everything. Capone woulda been proud of him.
The only way to get Daley out is in handcuffs, or the day he has a heart attack in office like his father. Corruption and all, Chicagoians think he makes "the City Work." They don't stop to consider that someone else could make the city work even better with all their tax dollars being put to good use vs the 20 percent that goes to the crony skim. And, change is hard and Daley is the known element.
The real pisser is that he's not just satisfied with the city, but he want's to rule the state with his policies using the Democrat machine to elect his type of candidates in the burbs and other counties. Since he has chicago/cook locked up, he has surplus resources to do just that. Of course, I have no vote (living outside of the city) that could influence him in return. The northern burbs are like-minded anyway. I've been looking at property on the Wisconsin Border lately inthe Kenosha area. I may check out the Valpo area in Indiana too.
Charon
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For those on the left who gleefully anticipate Democratic victory in the election of 2008, and the subsequent rush by that leftist administration to pass new Brady Bills had best remember what happened under similar circumstances in the congressional election of 1994.
Having strong-armed the Brady Bill through Congress, against the advice of some of his closest advisers, who felt that it could prove disastrous for Democratic incumbents up for reelection in conservative states, Clinton signed it into law.
Those Democratic congressmen who had voted for it were targeted by the NRA and other conservative groups for defeat. That campaign was tremendously successful. For the first time in four decades, the Democrats yielded control of the House to the Republicans....and Clinton effectively became a lame duck. His political agenda changed drastically after his party became the party of the not-so-loyal opposition.
Any attempt to repeat the Brady Bill triumph by the Democrats would almost certainly yield similar results.