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General Forums => Hardware and Software => Topic started by: sveno on February 14, 2007, 11:24:11 AM
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after giving out around 10 false check 6 calls yesterday after remapping, i reworked my setups graf for my own reference print.
thought about to share my setup, maybe i get some ideas for changes. i do only have the views stacked (up + left = up left).
feel free to post your setup! :)
Setup: CH Fighterstick, CH Pro Throttle, CH Rudders (all USB)
(http://pictures.sveno.net/tmp/ah2_ch_hotas_setup.png)
the prop RPM has no real use for me - when to use?
searched for a posting like this, but did just find some "how to setup stick?"-thread...
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When the check six feature was added I gave lots of false calls by accident. I corrected this in the control manager by making it a two button command. Using the shift function and the check six button at the same time has fixed it so that I have to consciously select the right combo to give the call.
I use the same shift feature for launching ordanance also. That fixed those 'Dagnabit' instances where ords are accidently deployed.
As for RPM, lower RPM creates less drag, usefull when you are deadstick trying to get back to base. Also, combined with manafold pressure, a lower setting can increase your fuel milage significantly.
In AH, firewalling the throttle is commonplace since there is no penalty in AH for doing so except that with the fuel modifyer at 2.0 your flight time is affected. Using fuel saving settings on climbout and cruise you can greatly increase your flight time.
Lastly, is that pic from some new control manager from CH?
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thanks Flatbar, didn't thought of stacking the check 6, very nice!
i thought that manifold pressure does not have any practical impact on the fuel consumption (eg. same range at most speeds)?
nope, the picture was done by hand in visio.
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Originally posted by sveno
i thought that manifold pressure does not have any practical impact on the fuel consumption (eg. same range at most speeds)?
Manafold pressure has a much smaller effect by it's self, but combined with RPM the effect is far greater.
Check it out using the E6B, make sure your speed is stabilised for each setting and compaire them. With the proper settings even a legless plane like an La can go quite far.
I might add that this info is anecdotal and I claim no real world knowledge of how aircraft powerplants consume fuel.
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Originally posted by Flatbar
Manafold pressure has a much smaller effect by it's self, but combined with RPM the effect is far greater.
Check it out using the E6B, make sure your speed is stabilised for each setting and compaire them. With the proper settings even a legless plane like an La can go quite far.
I might add that this info is anecdotal and I claim no real world knowledge of how aircraft powerplants consume fuel.
The LA7 is a perpetum mobile @ 300mph with tweaked cruise settings.
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Here is my CH-HOTAS (FSPTPP-USB) Set Up
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1076_1171488132_chfsptppusbbywiz.jpg)
The settings are without the ones of the Pro Pedals, which are selfexplanatory including the brake functions.
The Field of View POV is set on the Throttle (all 8 views). The "look Up" function is set on the Stick (Pinky) button. The Hat on the Stick is set for Trim and other functions, because the Hat on the Stick is hard to reach and by forcing the thumb towards that Hat the grip on the stick becomes a bit exaggerated and tense.
Quite a few functions on the Stick are set to work with the SHIFT button, which is on the Throttle. As you know, there can be only one SHIFT dedicated button, therfore there is none on the Stick.
The layout of my settings is written on a specific Adobe Reader (.pdf) template for this purpose, it can not be saved, but printing is possible. I did make a screen shot from it in order to have it shown here in the forum.
Questions and/or comments are welcome :aok
Edit: linked other image hosting
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For CH Users try downloading the Maps at
CH Maps (http://www.chproducts.com/retail/tech_maps.html) I might even try typing mine into this!
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/geoff.goodwin/FGTR-AH-1.jpg)
(http://homepage.ntlworld.com/geoff.goodwin/PT-AH-1.jpg)
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I've been working on my layout for ten years or better. Here is my latest version (for FighterStick/Pro Throttle/Pro Pedals/Throttle Quad + TIR4).
Sorry for the lefty version. You'll have to look at this in the mirror. :)
(http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n199/snomhf/Layout.gif)
This is a hotas setup (http://www.ch-hangar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3390&highlight=frankenforce) I built myself but the layout is pretty much a standard FS/PT arrangement. Maybe someone will find it useful.
I find it interesting how everybody takes such a different approach to this.
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This is my Cougar setup. Many of the same buttons as the CH has. I have been developing this since AW over 10 years ago. It might give you some ideas.
(http://webpages.charter.net/davegun/AH.jpg)
I have grouped things by button. All my views are on one hat, with the exception of up and down on the throttle. This gives me all views in combination with the up and down.
Wepons all on my trigger, auto-pilots on one hat, Commnications on another hat, etc. All my bomber specific commands are shifted. Three axis curve settings that can be changed on the fly.
There are a few things I wish AH did, so I programmed them. Auto film stop after each flight, my shift button doubles to hide the cursor (moves it off screen to the bottom left), all vox keyed with one button with a channel changer button. Same with text radios using canned text messages. I only touch the keyboard to type a message.
Gunner
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Still doing the trial and error routine on mine to see what works best for me.
Larger problem is remembering what I put where.
Big question for me is where can I get one of those charts you guys are using so I can print a copy of my own out for quick refrence?
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very interesting setups, thanks for sharing!
@ Flatbar
tried on E6B and the impact on fuel consumption was very nice in the tiffy, thanks again.
@ DREDIOCK
Blagard posted a nice link to visualize CH-setups: Tech Maps to fill out & print (http://www.chproducts.com/retail/tech_maps.html)
seeing some very good solutions here, might remap once again :D
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Why not use the inherent Printing Facility of the CH Control Manager and just use those images to display the setup? :aok
Stick:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1076_1171541389_aceshigh_01_800x600.jpg)
Throttle:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1076_1171541434_aceshigh_02_800x600.jpg)
Are the images to large?
Edit: downsized the images to 800x600
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Originally posted by Wizkid
Why not use the inherent Printing Facility of the CH Control Manager and just use those images to display the setup? :aok
what inherent printing facility??
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Originally posted by sveno
@ DREDIOCK
Blagard posted a nice link to visualize CH-setups: Tech Maps to fill out & print (http://www.chproducts.com/retail/tech_maps.html)
ahh cool. thank you
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simple setup...
I use a CH stick, and x45 throttle.
stick (only changes in mode 2 is hat's 1 and 3 cycle through the gun positions) and the hat is the standard POV views, i hold down "look up" on the throttle for other views.
also on the stick I use the throttle for RPM control
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1171553009_fgtr-kneeboard.jpg)
throttle has some quirks. the back hot not shown in the pic is labeled above, the other thumb hat is listed, and I use the rudder rocker for moving the head back and forth in banded mode.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1171553016_throttle01.jpg)
also in GV mode on the x45 i use the bottom rotary to shift up / down in GV's
don't have anything set for mode "3" on either stick, as it is I have ablank button on the CH I don't know what to put there anyway
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@ Drediock
... what inherent printing facility??...
Have a look in your CH-Folder:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1076_1171558825_cm_folder.jpg)
Double click the Printing Utility (CMPrint.exe):
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1076_1171558880_cm_printing_utility.jpg)
The settings of the little progi are selfexplanatory, I believe. ;)
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Originally posted by Wizkid
Have a look in your CH-Folder
Ah! it may not be there if you have version 3.50 like me!
I see a version 4.1 and 4.2 is available and will download the 4.1 32bit example from:
CH Hanger Version 4.1 CM Software (http://www.ch-hangar.com/files/CH_Files/CHCMv4.1_32bit.exe)
Don't fancy testing the 4.2 version right now as it is very new!
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OK just Re-installed to version 4.1 including the Print facility.
Just a few comments to make about printing!
Change the default colour for mode 1 - it is far too light
Better to save as jpg and print that rather than use the print button. The Print button gives washed out button graphics. The JPG image looks fine.
Make sure you put your description in the comment box in your map setup, otherwise it prints the mapped key not the comment
Thanks for letting me know about the CH update!
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Originally posted by GunnerCAF
There are a few things I wish AH did, so I programmed them. Auto film stop after each flight,
Gunner,
Can you show me how you programmed the film recorder to stop when you exit flight? I don't see any such command. All I can find is a "Film Recorder toggle" (ALT-R). That obviously is not how you're doing it. I found a "Film Stop" command (s) but that apparently only applies to the Film Viewer as "s" is "Rudder Center" in the game.
Thanks
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Originally posted by HomeBoy
Gunner,
Can you show me how you programmed the film recorder to stop when you exit flight? I don't see any such command. All I can find is a "Film Recorder toggle" (ALT-R). That obviously is not how you're doing it. I found a "Film Stop" command (s) but that apparently only applies to the Film Viewer as "s" is "Rudder Center" in the game.
Thanks
I don't know anything about the CH programing, but I can tell you how I did it on the Cougar.
The Cougar has 32 physical buttons, and 48 vurtual buttons (logical flags).
I use the button for start/stop of the engine as a test to check if the film is on. If it's on, It gives me a visual indication by changing the text window size up and down, then shuts off the film.
-To do this I set a flag when I press the button that starts the recorder.
-When the engine start/stop is pressed, it checks to see if the recorder flag is on.
-If it off, it does nothing.
-If it is on, it sends the visual indication, then shuts the film off.
The actual code is here (X is a flag, S is a physical switch):
Rem Film Recorder Controler
DEF X3 S2 AND S3 Rem S2 /I (Film on/off) Flag
DEF X4 X3* Rem Film ON Toggle Flag
DEF X5 S2 NOT S3 Rem S2 /O (Engine on/off) Flag
DEF X6 X5 AND X4 Rem Film ON Engine ON Flag
BTN X3 Film_Rec Rem Film on/off
BTN X6 Msg_Win_Size DLY(1000) Msg_Win_Size KD(X3) KU(X3) Rem Turn Film Off
The only quirk, is if it gets out of sync, the film will not shut off. I fix it by starting the engine once with the keyboard. I film everything, and it works well.
Gunner
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Originally posted by Mustaine
and I use the rudder rocker for moving the head back and forth in banded mode.
Ohhh thats a good idea I must do that.
I have an X45 setup with CH Pro pedals.
Primary fire is fire both.
Buttons A and B are primary and secondary fire.
Missile button is toggle secondary.
The button around the front of the stick is mapped to reset my view to centre on the headset
Pinkie is wheelbreaks (wheel breaks on my pro pedals are porked)
1 Hat is (clockwise) WEP/autopilot hold angle/Gear toggler/Autopilot level
2 hat is (clockwise) icon toggle/map zoom in/check 6 call/map zoom out
throttle:
rotory 1 is rpm
rotory 2 is mapped to zoom
mouse button is toggle zoom
big button is toggle clipboard
4 way hat is trim (left/right aileron, and elevator)
8way hat (mouse) is flaps up/down and rudder trim
slider switch (aux) is nothing/xmit channel/xmit range
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Originally posted by GunnerCAF
I don't know anything about the CH programing, but I can tell you how I did it on the Cougar.
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Thank you Gunner. So there is no "Film Off" command afterall so you had to resort to scripting.
This will be very easy to do in CH CM.
Thanks for taking the time to post this.
-hb
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Just a thanks to Mustaine. I've got my X45 rudder mapped to move the head left/right (with the TIR Relative box thingy checked). Its awesome now when I look back I can lean left OR right and don't have to have a head preset (I found the head presets annoy they way they moved when your head got to position).
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Originally posted by Mustaine
simple setup...
I use a CH stick, and x45 throttle.
stick (only changes in mode 2 is hat's 1 and 3 cycle through the gun positions) and the hat is the standard POV views, i hold down "look up" on the throttle for other views.
also on the stick I use the throttle for RPM control
This may seem like a stupid question but how did you get the X-45 throttle to work with a different stick? I wouold love to use my old Suncom F-15 with my X-45 Throttle :D