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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: WhiteHawk on February 15, 2007, 05:38:16 PM
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Kind of a double edge sword eh? I can easily say heck no, but then again I dont support the war DO we sacrifice our finest warriors for a group of heathens that we wouldnt want to live next to?
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Only if they don't bring donkeys. (If you do a YouTube search on Iraq Donkey, you'll know what I mean)
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I wouldn't mind giving the kurds some land. The others can just **** off.
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Only those that our military accidentally maims and need long term care. Send the rest to whatever country viking lives in :aok
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
I wouldn't mind giving the kurds some land. The others can just **** off.
So long as its YOUR land I dont care.
So long as the land isnt given to them at the rest of taxpayers expence
they can have all of yours you care to give them
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Originally posted by Yeager
Only those that our military accidentally maims and need long term care. Send the rest to whatever country viking lives in :aok
Better solution.
Turn that long term care into short term care.
Finish the job by way of .45
We shoot horses dont we ;)
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Aren't most of the refugees that are eligible part of the Chaldean community?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Better solution.
Turn that long term care into short term care.
Finish the job by way of .45
We shoot horses dont we ;)
First you need their help promising freedom
turn upside down their life
retreat in shame, abandon all local allies living them for sure death
then your solution is mass murder
and then you are wonder why whole word hate us?
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
So long as its YOUR land I dont care.
So long as the land isnt given to them at the rest of taxpayers expence
they can have all of yours you care to give them
You saying that the Kurds wouldn't like Mexico?
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NOPE. It'll come back and bit us in the ass.
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Isn't there still plenty of land in Iran or Saudi Arabia? Not being xenophobic or anything, just wondering why they should have to travel across several thousand miles.
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Originally posted by ramzey
First you need their help promising freedom
turn upside down their life
retreat in shame, abandon all local allies living them for sure death
then your solution is mass murder
and then you are wonder why whole word hate us?
If they were where our bullets were flying at they probably werent our freinds to begin with.
I wouldnt have attacked Falluja with ground troops. I would have flattened it
coulda saved some of our own lives that way.
As for the wold. I dont give a damn if the world hates us or not.
Fully 2/3 of our problems over there are giving a watermelon too much what the world thinks
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Providing they come in legally and become part of the American society. Learn english, learn our customs, honor our traditions, and of course learn to love the NFL.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
You saying that the Kurds wouldn't like Mexico?
Only if we can ship the Mexicans to northern Iraq
Seems like a fair trade to me
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Why dont we ask the native americans after all it's not really OUR land is it?
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Originally posted by dryroasted
Why dont we ask the native americans after all it's not really OUR land is it?
Manhatten is. Was bought fair & square :p
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fair enough.....we will give you 56 beads for it back thats 6 more than you gave us.....only a mad man would say no
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land not belong indian, all land belong great spirit.
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Originally posted by dryroasted
fair enough.....we will give you 56 beads for it back thats 6 more than you gave us.....only a mad man would say no
Fine by me. Personally I cant stand NYC and see it as little more then the sewer of the east coast.
Unfortunately I am not in the position to sell them back or I'd give it to a free of charge
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Originally posted by nirvana
Isn't there still plenty of land in Iran or Saudi Arabia? Not being xenophobic or anything, just wondering why they should have to travel across several thousand miles.
The US is being criticized about not doing anything to address the refugee problem. There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands who are trying to get into the country and being denied papers.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Only those that our military accidentally maims and need long term care. Send the rest to whatever country viking lives in :aok
I'm afraid we're at our limit with regard to assisting you. We just sent additional troops to Afghanistan, and we already have a chitload of Iraqi and Afghani refugees here. We can't take care of all your problems for you.
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Originally posted by dryroasted
Why dont we ask the native americans after all it's not really OUR land is it?
It is our land. We kicked indian ass, and now it's ours.
There's only two groups of people who have whined so much after being beaten in a war. The indians and the palestinians.
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Absolutlety not-never in a million years.
I was in cab with the wife a few months ago, I asked the driver where he was from, said he was from the middle east, I said what part of Iraq you from, he told me, I got him to pull over and let us out, Not driving in a cab by soemeone who more than likely wore an Iraqi uniform trying to kill me,
F$$K the pc brigade, I ain't having nothing to do with them, send them all to F%%%G Swededn or Norway if they like.
We got here and come back all F%%%D up and they get to come here and drive cabs and have a nice little life, something wrong with that picture.
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Hawco, that's because you've got issues after your experience, and I sympathize. I had a much milder version of PTSS after my little war, but I don't hold any animosity anymore towards by ex-enemies. I do however have a distaste for people who flee their country instead of fighting for it (or against it if they so believe).
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Originally posted by dryroasted
Why dont we ask the native americans after all it's not really OUR land is it?
It didn't belong to the Amerinds either. They just squatted on it after emmigrating themselves.
As far as the native term is concerned, any one born within the borders has just as much claim as anyone else born there to the term.
Not terribly PC but accurate.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
It is our land. We kicked indian ass, and now it's ours.
There's only two groups of people who have whined so much after being beaten in a war. The indians and the palestinians.
You applying for a job at the U.S. State Department, by chance? You're a natural!
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In answer to the original post. Yes, we should take in some Iraqi refugees. Poor decisions and SNAFU's from State, DoD, and Administration have helped to create the mess over there. Time to try and make some small amends to some of the people.
I met and worked alongside a lot of decent Iraqis when I was there. Escorted a group of Sunni, Shii, Turkomen, Kurd, and even Iraqi Christian truck drivers for 3 months that got along fine with each other and us troops.
Dealt with Iraqi IT guys to hook up my company with satellite internet while in country that certainly knew their stuff. You could never *trust* any of them while in country..... you never knew when "Ali Baba" would get to them, or their family (don't matter how much an Iraqi appreciates America taking down Saddam if someone else has a gun to the head of his family).
Their sense of humor always sort of surprised me as well, considering the conditions.
Many of the Iraqis I met were well educated and they picked up English a lot faster than I was picking up Arabic.
Maybe personal experience has me empathizing with them and their plight, but yes, considering the numbers of other immigrants we take in from around the world, I see no reason not to take Iraqis as well.
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Yes. Stop the ****s coming to england.......
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One time I was in the HYatt down on the Embarcadero in San Francisco and i heard all these microphones blasting away outside, turned it was some sort of anti war demo going on, Danny glover et al where all there.
Some punk was at the front waving an Iraqi flag around,
I went down the elevator, walked passed the cop barricades and promplty ripped that flag up to bits, I had all the dreadlocked hippies and the SUV starbucks drinking mob all baying for my blood, I then calmly walked passed all the cops who just told me to "get the hell outa there" with a smile on their face. F%%k that, some punk waving a flag around like that.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
If they were where our bullets were flying at they probably werent our freinds to begin with.
I wouldnt have attacked Falluja with ground troops. I would have flattened it
coulda saved some of our own lives that way.
As for the wold. I dont give a damn if the world hates us or not.
Fully 2/3 of our problems over there are giving a watermelon too much what the world thinks
About the best post I have read on this bbs, why isn't there more people like you?
I fyou ever run for a political job, I'd back you all the way my friend
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:Originally posted by DREDIOCK
If they were where our bullets were flying at they probably werent our freinds to begin with.
I wouldnt have attacked Falluja with ground troops. I would have flattened it
coulda saved some of our own lives that way.
As for the wold. I dont give a damn if the world hates us or not.
Fully 2/3 of our problems over there are giving a watermelon too much what the world thinks
Originally posted by Hawco
About the best post I have read on this bbs, why isn't there more people like you?
I fyou ever run for a political job, I'd back you all the way my friend
I have to disagree... 90% of our problems over there come from America (and to some extend most of Europe) being dependent on cheap oil from the Middle East. All about the sweet crude.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
Providing they come in legally and become part of the American society. Learn english, learn our customs, honor our traditions, and of course learn to love the NFL.
You know, as a dirty foreigner living in the US, this is the one bit I'm really struggling with.
Do I love America? Hell yes - the place has been very good to us over the last 2 years.
Can I swallow my pride and celebrate July 4th? Bring it on.
Thanksgiving? Who's got the pumpkin pie?
Learn to speak English? Actually, I feel like I'm unlearning English - but hey-ho.
Can I learn to love the NFL? Well lets just say I think it would be easier to convince all you guys to embrace soccer...
:D
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Originally posted by Hawco
Absolutlety not-never in a million years.
I was in cab with the wife a few months ago, I asked the driver where he was from, said he was from the middle east, I said what part of Iraq you from, he told me, I got him to pull over and let us out, Not driving in a cab by soemeone who more than likely wore an Iraqi uniform trying to kill me,
F$$K the pc brigade, I ain't having nothing to do with them, send them all to F%%%G Swededn or Norway if they like.
We got here and come back all F%%%D up and they get to come here and drive cabs and have a nice little life, something wrong with that picture.
You do realize that he probably came over to get away from Hussein and to persue freedom, right? The same reason that your relatives came from where ever they are from?
Did you even bother to ask?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
You do realize that he probably came over to get away from Hussein and to persue freedom, right? The same reason that your relatives came from where ever they are from?
Did you even bother to ask?
Wsn't aware Saddam was throwing Exit visas around like confetti.
He probably ditched the unifrom, faked himself an ID and got a nice cushy gig going now.
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Wooley you sees theres the problem. You may be a upright citizen, but if you can't love the NFL, then I don't even know you :)
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What about next door in Iran?
I hear there is going to be some prime, steaming, land put on the market soon?
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Originally posted by tedrbr
I have to disagree... 90% of our problems over there come from America (and to some extend most of Europe) being dependent on cheap oil from the Middle East. All about the sweet crude.
It is now as its vital to our and the worlds economies
And 100+ years ago it was the American indians and gold & land
Before that it was sugar
Before that it was gold again before that the spice trade
Anything particularly a natural resource that creates or maintains a major boom in nations economies will have wars fought over them. they may well be under the guise of somethign else. But in reality its often all about the economy
1-200 years from now it will be something else
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Lets see here, no they shouldn't, they have a country, if the living conditions aren't perfect, may I suggest they do something to change the conditions.
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Originally posted by Viking
I had a much milder version of PTSS after my little war, but I don't hold any animosity anymore towards by ex-enemies.
Just out of curiousity, where did you see combat?
ack-ack
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(http://www.statueofliberty.org/photos/statue_of_liberty_11.jpg)
"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..."
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Originally posted by dryroasted
Why dont we ask the native americans after all it's not really OUR land is it?
Sure it is, we kicked their primitive butts right off it. Back then thats how it was done.
No sense crying over it now.
;)
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
The US is being criticized about not doing anything to address the refugee problem. There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands who are trying to get into the country and being denied papers.
When isn't the U.S. being criticized? Sometimes it seems like everyone hates America until they want citizenship, then it's the holy land. Then there are those looking to advance their lives. If you can learn English and blend into the melting pot as so many other immigrants have, fine. I'm just asking why Iraqi refugees want to flee to America when there are other countries around them.
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Originally posted by nirvana
I'm just asking why Iraqi refugees want to flee to America when there are other countries around them.
Because maybe they're looking for the same thing your family did when they came to this country...the chance at the American Dream.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
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"Give us your poor, your tired, your huddled masses longing to be free..."
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Thats words on a statue. not in our Lows
And 100 years ago we actually needed them
Now they actually hurt us
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Because maybe they're looking for the same thing your family did when they came to this country...the chance at the American Dream.
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I suppose working to foster that same ideal in their own country is COMPLETELY out of the question
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
I suppose working to foster that same ideal in their own country is COMPLETELY out of the question
The same could have been said when your family first came to this country...
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Originally posted by wooley
You know, as a dirty foreigner living in the US, this is the one bit I'm really struggling with.
Do I love America? Hell yes - the place has been very good to us over the last 2 years.
Can I swallow my pride and celebrate July 4th? Bring it on.
Thanksgiving? Who's got the pumpkin pie?
Learn to speak English? Actually, I feel like I'm unlearning English - but hey-ho.
Can I learn to love the NFL? Well lets just say I think it would be easier to convince all you guys to embrace soccer...
:D
Soccer? Who in the hell wants to watch 4 hours of useless senseless running up and down the mile and a half long field to watch a 0-0 tie and a shootaout at the end??? Just skip to the shootout. Thank you, have a nice day.:aok
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Originally posted by nirvana
When isn't the U.S. being criticized? Sometimes it seems like everyone hates America until they want citizenship, then it's the holy land. Then there are those looking to advance their lives. If you can learn English and blend into the melting pot as so many other immigrants have, fine. I'm just asking why Iraqi refugees want to flee to America when there are other countries around them.
And I am asking are you in favor of sacrificing the military and the countrys treasury for a group of people who we are not willing to live with?? The iraquis are complaining, our allies are wondering why we are fighting for the independance of a people who we refuse to take in and care for. Are you saying they should look elsewhere?? because they are saying we want to come live off of the american taxpayer? Yes or no? Do we take them in?
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Why give work permits / maybe citizenship later, for 30 mil . ilegal mexicans ? they take $$ out of US, kick them out! and bring all Iraq population of 20+mil in US: leave the country of Iraq empty, starve the insugents and after suck their oil,
Bring them in Texas, tx is big state , similar to Iraq climate, in Waco area close to Bush, to watch them
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I'd initially say no, but it all depends on the circumstances.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Just out of curiousity, where did you see combat?
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That little stinker of a civil war we had in our back yard in the '90s. Bosnia.
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irakis can come to USA, but only if they join teh army & go straight back 2 iraq lololol:noid :noid
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Originally posted by nirvana
I'd initially say no, but it all depends on the circumstances.
I think the whole point i was brininng up in this thread is for those that support the war. It would seem crazy to support the war of democracy in Iraq and support the policy of refusing to grant papers for the Iraqi refugees fleeing the war.
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Originally posted by Debonair
irakis can come to USA, but only if they join teh army & go straight back 2 iraq lololol:noid :noid
Yea, thats my opinion also.
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GtoRa2: The English first settled in America in 1607. Almost immediately they went to war with my ancestors.
Yep you guys really kicked butt. With 100 times our numbers and greatly superior technology it only took you about three centuries to win a complete and total victory.
Not a bad effort for such "primitive" people...eh?
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Originally posted by wooley
You know, as a dirty foreigner living in the US, this is the one bit I'm really struggling with.
Do I love America? Hell yes - the place has been very good to us over the last 2 years.
Can I swallow my pride and celebrate July 4th? Bring it on.
Thanksgiving? Who's got the pumpkin pie?
Learn to speak English? Actually, I feel like I'm unlearning English - but hey-ho.
Can I learn to love the NFL? Well lets just say I think it would be easier to convince all you guys to embrace soccer...
:D
I could perhaps enjoy soccer if I'd had a horrible accident with farming equipment and lost my arms--would need to do somethin to take my mind off not bein able to jerk off:rofl
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Originally posted by nirvana
Isn't there still plenty of land in Iran or Saudi Arabia? Not being xenophobic or anything, just wondering why they should have to travel across several thousand miles.
They won't let the Palestinians in, not likely gonna let Iraqis in either. Saudi is Sunni, most Iraqis are Sh**te or Kurd. Hmm...well Iran IS letting the sh**te Mahkti army pukes hide there
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See how they are, they are going leave us dumb americans over there to die in Iraq while they come over and feast on the taxpayer.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
See how they are, they are going leave us dumb americans over there to die in Iraq while they come over and feast on the taxpayer.
that's why you should support the war, if the terrorists are defeated the Iraqs can stay in Iraq.
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Ah... the holier than thou attitude about the British Empire is shown for what it is.
Even 19th century Britain allowed immigrants from conquered nations to live here, with a particularly large influx in the 1950s and 60s.
I wonder if numbers for those seeking assylum from Iraq have increased in the last few years? I guess it would be politically 'sensitive' for the US and UK to admit to the fact if it were true. Looks as bad to live in Iraq as it has ever been.
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
I think the whole point i was brininng up in this thread is for those that support the war. It would seem crazy to support the war of democracy in Iraq and support the policy of refusing to grant papers for the Iraqi refugees fleeing the war.
See that's what i don't get. Ok we disposed of there psycho dictator, which has set the groundwork for democracy IN iraq.
This is a war on terror, by the way.
Now why don't they help us to rid the area of terrorists, and those that support them so they can rebuild and prosper in there OWN country?
Yes it's going to be a hard uphill struggle, and yes some of them are going to die, but isn't it the land THEY love?
As far as giving them papers, why? To me it would seem crazy to let them in. Let them stay there, follow our direction, build up their own communities, their own jobs, their own military and police forces to combat terrorists, and their own democratic government.
Bring them here and it will just be a bunch more with there hands out on the welfare line, that americans will have to support.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Ah... the holier than thou attitude about the British Empire is shown for what it is.
the USA is not trying to make a colony of Iraq.
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Originally posted by john9001
the USA is not trying to make a colony of Iraq.
Although England would make a nice lil colony;
I wonder if numbers for those seeking assylum from Iraq have increased in the last few years? I guess it would be politically 'sensitive' for the US and UK to admit to the fact if it were true. Looks as bad to live in Iraq as it has ever been.
Umm...there WAS no emigration allowed from Iraq for some 30 years (Saddam's son-in-law could testify to that, were he alive)---so I guess the requests WOULd be higher
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There are some Iraqi's who definitely deserve to be allowed to emmigrate. Translators and others who worked with and helped our forces there under a terrible threat from the enemy factions.
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Originally posted by Debonair
irakis can come to USA, but only if they join teh army & go straight back 2 iraq lololol:noid :noid
Now thats teh best surge plan I've heard of yet, I fuly support that one
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Originally posted by john9001
that's why you should support the war, if the terrorists are defeated the Iraqs can stay in Iraq.
What terrorists? There are no terrorists in Iraq. There are 2 armies fighting a civil war and a rebel army fighting the occupying americans?? Dont let Rush do your thinking for you, his brain has been perforated by synthetic heroine abuse for years and years.
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Originally posted by Speed55
This is a war on terror, by the way.
Now why don't they help us to rid the area of terrorists, and those that support them so they can rebuild and prosper in there OWN country?
Yes it's going to be a hard uphill struggle, and yes some of them are going to die, but isn't it the land THEY love?
As far as giving them papers, why? To me it would seem crazy to let them in. Let them stay there, follow our direction, build up their own communities, their own jobs, their own military and police forces to combat terrorists, and their own democratic government.
Bring them here and it will just be a bunch more with there hands out on the welfare line, that americans will have to support.
Thats absolutley correct. While they are sueing the US to let them in, we are sending more troops to Iraq. WTF! Its time to pull some US troops out and let the refugees work as terrorist fighters in Iraq.
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Originally posted by Maverick
There are some Iraqi's who definitely deserve to be allowed to emmigrate. Translators and others who worked with and helped our forces there under a terrible threat from the enemy factions.
Uhhh, why are they wanting to come to the US when we are claiming that a mere 21500 more troops is all we need to turn this thing around??? Hmmmm, all of a sudden this surge thing is sounding like a 'replace the scared iraqi' thing with american made combat troops. Good grief.:mad:
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
Uhhh, why are they wanting to come to the US when we are claiming that a mere 21500 more troops is all we need to turn this thing around??? Hmmmm, all of a sudden this surge thing is sounding like a 'replace the scared iraqi' thing with american made combat troops. Good grief.:mad:
Whitehawk, are you posting sober??? Read my post again, this time for comprehension. I didn't say a thing about the "surge" did I?
If you want to respond to my post at least have the curtesy to make sure it's my post you are responding to particularly when you quote it. :huh
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Originally posted by Shuckins
GtoRa2: The English first settled in America in 1607. Almost immediately they went to war with my ancestors.
Yep you guys really kicked butt. With 100 times our numbers and greatly superior technology it only took you about three centuries to win a complete and total victory.
Not a bad effort for such "primitive" people...eh?
You need to learn your people's history a bit better then. The diseases which Europeans brought to North America by some reports account for up to 9/10's of the deaths experienced by many Native American tribes. Often these malady's preceded the colonial expansion.
Some tribes, like the Comanche, were considered the best light cavalry in the world's history. Had the tribes had their original strength of numbers before disease wrecked their populations, history would have been very different, and probably much bloodier.
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In some cases those diseases were deliberately spread among the native population by the Europeans. Small Pox infested blankets anyone?
Could it not be contrived to send the Small Pox among those disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them.
-Lord Amherst, 1763.
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you can't win a war with the"best light cavalry in the world's history" i think you need a little more that that.
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Originally posted by Viking
In some cases those diseases were deliberately spread among the native population by the Europeans. Small Pox infested blankets anyone?
Could it not be contrived to send the Small Pox among those disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them.
-Lord Amherst, 1763.
a "viking" defending the native population, now that's a switch.
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Originally posted by Shuckins
GtoRa2: The English first settled in America in 1607. Almost immediately they went to war with my ancestors.
Yep you guys really kicked butt. With 100 times our numbers and greatly superior technology it only took you about three centuries to win a complete and total victory.
Not a bad effort for such "primitive" people...eh?
You forgot to mention germ warfare.
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Originally posted by Dowding
Ah... the holier than thou attitude about the British Empire is shown for what it is.
Even 19th century Britain allowed immigrants from conquered nations to live here, with a particularly large influx in the 1950s and 60s.
I wonder if numbers for those seeking assylum from Iraq have increased in the last few years? I guess it would be politically 'sensitive' for the US and UK to admit to the fact if it were true. Looks as bad to live in Iraq as it has ever been.
Yes but there comes a time when the system can no longer support such an influx.
You cant just let people in willy nilly anymoe
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Originally posted by WhiteHawk
What terrorists? There are no terrorists in Iraq. There are 2 armies fighting a civil war and a rebel army fighting the occupying americans?? Dont let Rush do your thinking for you, his brain has been perforated by synthetic heroine abuse for years and years.
Other then the American Amry
What "Armies" would those be?
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Originally posted by tedrbr
You need to learn your people's history a bit better then. The diseases which Europeans brought to North America by some reports account for up to 9/10's of the deaths experienced by many Native American tribes. Often these malady's preceded the colonial expansion.
Some tribes, like the Comanche, were considered the best light cavalry in the world's history. Had the tribes had their original strength of numbers before disease wrecked their populations, history would have been very different, and probably much bloodier.
Among others Cheif Joseph managed to do pretty well there for a while.
I've often wondered what he coulda have done if he didnt have to worry about also carting women and children all over the place with him
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Originally posted by john9001
a "viking" defending the native population, now that's a switch.
lol yeah.