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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: Hoarach on February 15, 2007, 08:29:30 PM
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Just got a new comp Monday. Put a 5700 ultra in the comp and figured I would try the high res pack and I received easy 100+ frames. Believe with the 5700 I was using something called omega drivers which I had no problems with. Since the card died Wednesday, got a 7600 GS with 512 MB. Installed the high res pack and have the 9371 drivers installed.
Now I try start Aces High and it brings up the windows problem message of saying Aces High has encountered a problem and needs to close.
Any help to fix this would be appreciated as going on a week without Aces High is getting kinda nerve wrecking. :aok
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I believe Skuzzy recommends the 84.66 drivers for that series of cards. Google them and you'll find 'em.
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Alright new problem. Got the 84.66 drivers installed but when I start the game up it freezes when I click on a field to move to. Got plenty of video memory and system memory in this system to spare.
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I've got a new 7600 that's giving me all kinds of trouble AH-wise. If I find really good drivers for it, I'll let you know.
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Several of us using 7600 GTs (not GSs) have found 84.66 to be the best (only) driver for them.
I've tried lots of other drivers including a couple of independent ones (non-Nvidia) and 84.66 is really the only good option.
I would try using a driver cleaner to remove all of the old driver and then try installing 84.66 again. Old drivers can cause problems by leaving files where they shouldn't be.
If it still happens then I don't know exactly what's causing the problem.
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Thanks to a snippet from Kev i managed to get my 8800GTS working reasonably well.
Hoarach check your mobo for PCI latency timers usual default is 64 when i swapped this to 128 made a huge difference to stability.
Even with the latest 97.92 i think the game runs fine every now and again it will go into the twlight zone with patchy weird graphics. This can be fixed by alt tabbing sitting on auto pilot or in the tower. I get a white screen for about a minute then the graphics all re-load again and its normal.
did 10 hours yesterday did it twice both recovered ok without totally crashing.
Never used Nvidia cards before and amazed they have such crap drivers.
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90-series drivers are widely accepted as a pox upon man. Problem is the 80-series doesn't support 8800s, so I think you're stuck til they make more (newer) drivers.
Take heart, they normally update them frequently.
However, with Vista .... who knows if they'll ever get ANY out ever again?
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yea i hope so Krusty but as the card is capable of using directx 10 and vista I bet they are all messing around with drivers for that rather than XP.
Hopefully some geeks somewhere can crack on, mash some keyboard and come out with something better than Nvidia are capable of.
Just was surprised to see a thread about the 7600 too.....
Bruv
~S~
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when I upgraded to my 7800 gs co I found out my 430watt ps did not have enough amps on the 12v rail and I had to upgrade my power supply. Since then, I have not had any lockups or issues.
gl
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Still have no luck. Deleted windows folder on old hard drive and deleted the onboard video drivers.
Those drivers suggested above gave me no luck. :cry
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Are you running AMD 64 X2 Dual cores by any chance?
If so then you may need to download a patch from the AMD Website heres the link
http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/TechnicalResources/0,,30_182_871_13118,00.html
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Pretty sure its only single core.
Athlon 64 3200+ 2.2 GHZ processor
PNY Verto 7600 GS 512 MB
Creative SB Audigy 2
512 MB RAM
Whats the chance I need a bigger power supply since its only a 300W in this comp I believe.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Pretty sure its only single core.
Athlon 64 3200+ 2.2 GHZ processor
PNY Verto 7600 GS 512 MB
Creative SB Audigy 2
512 MB RAM
Whats the chance I need a bigger power supply since its only a 300W in this comp I believe.
Was about 2 ask u if your runnning dual processor. I had no problems until i switched cards and encountered the same thing. I had 2 d/l a patch for dual processors am2.
Yes I would suggest buying a stronger ps. 300 is really low for that type of machine. I would suggest a 450 or higher watt ps.
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Except I have a curious question as to why AH freezes and not CoD 2?
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Try lowering your textures to 512mb. Also make sure you uninstall your old videocard drives and are using standard before installing new card. CoD2 does not use as much resource as ah2. Running xp and ah2 together can tax that 512mb quick. Post/email your directx setup so htc can take a look at it.
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Sent my directx stuff already to HT/skuzzy. Ive already tried 512MB and I still get the freeze.
Right now Im looking at getting a bigger power supply possibly a 680W for $20 at geeks.com since a lot say its a power supply issue that theres not enough power being provided.
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If you only have 512MB ram you need to use 256 texture size (this is a pixel size, not a MB size). 512 might be pushing it.
I don't think that would make you crash though, just slow you down. The crash might be a power issue, I don't know. The 7800gs uses a lot of juice, but we're talking 7600gs here.
Does your BIOS have voltage meters? Do you have a hardware sensor and software that can read it? If so what does it say about your volts?
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Weird thing is he has no problems running cod2 or anything else but ah2. With ps problems u would encounter all kinds of weird problems besides just in one game. Sounds 2 me running the game at 1024 textures with xp and only 512mb would cause this. He has tried 512 textures with the same results. Have u tried lowering them to 256 texture yet?
Have u check your video temp? Open your case and leave it up. Heat can cause this also.
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The only problem I see though, with my old computer sadly I only had 256 RAM. It was a 300W power supply and the 5700 ultra was running at full power. I was still able to run AH with the underpowered 5700 and 256 RAM at 256 textures and still pull out 50 or so frames. When I put the 5700 ultra in the new comp before the video card died I had no problems and was pulling over 100 frames with the 5700 on the high res pack and CRT monitor. Now with the new LCD monitor Im getting max frames at 75 since thats the max refresh rate on this LCD with the 7600 its just that the game will freeze after a few minutes.
Still waiting for skuzzy or anyone from HTC to reply to my email I sent to them......
Edit: Just tried game with 256 textures and it still freezes.
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hmmm strange. Are u still able 2 close ah even after it freezes by using the task manager? Or is it the whole system is freezing and locking up?
Ok, if u do not mind i'm pm'ing u my email address. Can u send it to me also. I'm no expert but let's see if I can get others involved.
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Im a little confused by what you mean send it to you.
But no I cant close AH I have to press the reset button of the power switch.
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I used to have these odd total-freezes. Entire system would lock up. I *thought* it was a faulty on-board NIC, but that was only the symptom. Once I got a good PSU, the NIC worked fine with no problems. It's not that I needed more total W, just that the unit I had was a total POS, through and through.
What brand PSU do you have? Also, can you check your voltage meters, if you have any? I really think it's a power issue now, but this is harder to test for and harder to prove.
Keep in mind the old 5000 series cards were really stripped down and barely used any juice at all.
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Im a little confused by what you mean send it to you.
But no I cant close AH I have to press the reset button of the power switch.
directx setup. And with that info, sounds like a heat problem or power supply problem. Before buying a new ps open your case and put a fan right next 2 it.
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Heck he's got a GS, my GT's clocked way way faster and it never gets hot, even under load. I don't think it's heat, as it's just not fast enough for burnout.
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I'm making sure all fans are good before he buys a new ps. U'll be surprised how many do not even bother making sure all fans are working good. Plus a fan is much cheaper then a power supply: >
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Ive looked and all fans work.
In BIOS temps are under 40 degrees Celsius.
I have a allied 300W ATX power supply.
What Im looking at is a A-Power 680W from geeks.com for $20.
Heres the link: http://www.geeks.com/details.asp?invtid=APBK680&cat=PWR
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Only problem I would have with that ps would be if I had sli. If your card is a agp one I see no problems with it. Also I would do some research on it 2 see if I find any reviews.
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Its an agp.
I ran a power supply calculator that I found on the nvidia forums I believe yesterday. It said I needed at least 380W.
I have 2 hard drives hooked up one which is a SATA. The 7600GS AGP 512MB. Creative Sound Blaster Audigy 2. 6 usb ports 4 which are used including 3 used to power CH HOTAS. The 2.2 GHZ Athlon 3200+ processor. So looks like it adds up.
Not trying to discourage your idea that I dont need a bigger power supply but many have said I do.
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Not sure if u understand me. A sli ps will come with sli connections. Since u have a agp card it looks good. Also Im talking about the name brand, make sure it's an ok one.
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Who's got the list of good/bad PSU manufacturers? I seem to have lost my bookmark of it!
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Got a UltraX-Finity 500W power supply now but still getting the freezes in AH ONLY. Everything now runs beautifully. System is a hell of a lot cooler as well up to 10-15 degrees celsius cooler.
Need help solving the issue. Have the 84.66 drivers installed and reading in dxdiag should I use the drivers on the CD that came with my vid card which are the 93.71?
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You can try them. I don't know if they're any better.
Now you mentioned using Omega drivers on your older card. Did you use driver cleaner to remove all of them? Make sure they're all gone?
http://www.drivercleaner.net
The card works, the drivers are running....
The only thing I can think of is that there's a driver problem somehow.
Have you tried looking on the manufacturer's site for a BIOS update, or their recommended set of drivers for this card? I.e. if it's an eVGA, go to eVGA's website and see what they say.
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Try this
Right click on desktop. Go to Properties. Go to the "settings" tab. Click advanced. Then click "Adapter" tab, then "properties".
On the adapter properties window hit "Driver" tab, and click "driver details".
Click each file and scroll down. It will tell you the driver version for each file. See if any of them have a different version number (which would mean driver conflicts).
Now that's a complex list of steps, so I made an image to help.
(http://www.nakatomitower.com/directions.jpg)
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Wow that helps a lot. Theres a few of them that have either unknown and one thats 1.0.0.35 as well as not available ones. Guess theres conflicting drivers so thanks a lot krusty. Just have to figure out how to get rid of them now as I used the omega uninstall thing that came with it and ran driver cleaner several times.
I have drivercleaner PRO on this system.
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Hrm... I just checked mine, I have "nvcod.dll" and "nvcodins.dll" that have version 1,0,0,35. They seem to be part of it. Dang, I didn't check them all when I last posted. Are there any others not listed?
And you say Driver Cleaner Pro didn't work?
Do you have an "Uninstall" option left from the omega drivers? Have you checked your add/remove programs list?
Try getting a self-installing version of 84.66. By that I mean one that runs an exe and does it for you, rather than you pointing Windows to a directory and telling it "use the files in here".
Check out:
http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=1393
Or for the American server download link click directly here (webpage):
http://downloads.guru3d.com/downloadget.php?id=1393&file=7&evp=7cc5d21aafb4944cc132cf9510fa5e45
If this doesn't work I don't know what's wrong. I would suggest if the drivers themselves are not the culprit, delete your "cache" directory and al files inside it. Let AH rebuild the cache. Also if you have time you can rename your aces high II directory and re-install it again, and join without any of your old files (just log in and join an arena before you copy all of your files back to the directory). See if it's a problem with the game trying to run some file that's screwing it up.
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Did you delete your video8.cfg file in the AH settings folder? I would try that if you already havent . 38
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Originally posted by Hoarach
Pretty sure its only single core.
Athlon 64 3200+ 2.2 GHZ processor
PNY Verto 7600 GS 512 MB
Creative SB Audigy 2
512 MB RAM
Whats the chance I need a bigger power supply since its only a 300W in this comp I believe.
Power supplies are the most misunderstood element of computers. The average "gaaming rig" uses about 265W of power {more with sli or probably the 8800's etc). The new core duo is even more efficient since it uses only 65W. The real question is how the power is allocated. many PS have useless capacity on the wrong "rails"....I can run my rig (core duo 6600) 7900GT 2G DDR2 etc on a 300PS no problem...as long as it has 18@ on the 12v rail.
Upgrading your power supply is certainly not a bad idea. when I put my 7900GT in my old "rack box" I had issues and put in a 550W PS w 40 amps on the 2 12v rails. The real issue was completely different. A substandard PS can and will cause you issues over time (normally will fry your MB eventually) but its not the cause of your problem. The PS will tell you how its wattage is allocated. if you have less then 16 amps on your 12v rail you need to upgrade....if you have 16amps or more its a matter of choice/peace of mind.
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Snap, a few posts up he said "Got a UltraX-Finity 500W power supply now but still getting the freezes in AH ONLY" so he tried upgrading. In this case I don't think that's the problem.
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Needed a new power supply I think anyways it was an Allied 300W but believe it had probably half as many amps on it compared to this new one.
Really liking this Ultra X-Finity though. As much as I havent been able to run AH yet it is so much quieter and as soon as I did the first bootup on it as it is way cooler.
So many wires on it though. 8 peripheral, 4 SATA, 2 PCI-E and the 20/24 pin motherboard.
Edit: Hmm just read the video8.cfg file that rukee said to delete and I found the omega drivers in there listed.
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Alright nothing has worked still getting screen freezes.
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What MB are you running? Does in have any onboard video?
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Originally posted by Krusty
Snap, a few posts up he said "Got a UltraX-Finity 500W power supply now but still getting the freezes in AH ONLY" so he tried upgrading. In this case I don't think that's the problem.
CC, I caught that after I posted....to lazy to read all the way through:)...never hurts to have a good PS. The parts you save in the event you "guessed wrong" outway the nominal cost. It's frustrating when you think you found the problem and you didnt though.....
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Think I figured it out.
Almost ready to start slamming head against the wall I searched the nvidia forums for past 3 hours hoping and crossing fingers.
Found the thread with someone with EXACT same problem. I found the problem in the form of having to turn down agp from 8x to 4x and go about this by downloading coolbits.reg. Run AH everything runs fine and up to over 150 FRs+ on a LCD monitor.
Thanks to all the have tried to help. May not have worked but all of you took time out from playing AH to try to help me and I appreciate it.
Seems now that the PSU was a waste but PC runs quieter and cooler now.
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Huh... odd.. Wish I coulda helped, but mind is PCIe, didn't have this problem!
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Seems now that the PSU was a waste but PC runs quieter and cooler now.
Look at the brite side, a good PSU can be carried over for years , ive been using mine for 2 years in 3 different systems. 8)
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when i had a 5900 it said i needed a 350 power supply,So thats ur prob
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Originally posted by numb1
when i had a 5900 it said i needed a 350 power supply,So thats ur prob
If you saw I already upgraded my psu to a Ultra X-Finity 500W psu. Its very nice. PC is cooler and quieter.
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Hoarach i'm getting my self a 7600gs agp very soon too so don't forget how you fixed it please;)
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Originally posted by Monster0
Weird thing is he has no problems running cod2 or anything else but ah2. With ps problems u would encounter all kinds of weird problems besides just in one game.
Not necessarily. I was getting frequent video lock ups and CTDs with my video card when playing AH2 but in other games, I had no issues at all. Found out the problem was my power supply wasn't up to snuff and when I put in a 550w power supply, the video related lock ups and CTDs stopped in AH2. And as I mentioned, AH2 was the only game I was experiencing this problems with, WoW, EQ2 and a couple of other MMOs I play all worked fine with the 300w supply. Maybe it's that AH2 is a tad more taxing on the video card then those other games.
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