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Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: Dantoo on February 17, 2007, 12:52:05 AM
Top Pilots: Kills
zrex (56th Fighter Group "Zemke`s Wolfpack"): 7


zrex
22:05:52 Departed from Field #30 in a Hurricane Mk IIC
22:07:15 Shot down a Hurricane Mk IIC flown by Okie1one.
22:07:16 Shot down a Hurricane Mk IIC flown by Winks.
22:07:17 Shot down a Hurricane Mk IIC flown by Dantoo.
22:07:17 Shot down a Hurricane Mk IIC flown by JoeJoe.
22:07:17 Shot down a Hurricane Mk IIC flown by BombaDi1.
22:07:17 Shot down a Hurricane Mk IIC flown by Snibbo.

Now it may well have been an accident and if so c'est la vie.  I understand similar happened last week with somone else. It really annoys to be taken out by "friendly" fire even if it is just an inconvenience at worst.  Got to be more careful please guys.  WTG on the other kill.
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: doobs on February 17, 2007, 01:01:30 AM
I saw that, man u slowing down, I can only Imagine the gasket u blew.

we has similar prob at launch.


I figured u would of posted this 1 minute after takeoff
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: Stoney74 on February 17, 2007, 01:09:30 AM
I'm still trying to figure out why there were no P-40's, 1 F4F, and no Seafires flown by the allies.  I've never seen so many Hurri II's in one spot.  Did the allies not have minimum number of aircraft for each type this frame?
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: doobs on February 17, 2007, 01:29:34 AM
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Originally posted by Stoney74
I'm still trying to figure out why there were no P-40's, 1 F4F, and no Seafires flown by the allies.  I've never seen so many Hurri II's in one spot.  Did the allies not have minimum number of aircraft for each type this frame?



shhhh stoney, way fun clubbin the seals, I believe Tracer and his guys might agree


Early appetizer Bostons, who got eatin like an Angus calf fallin into the amazon by those sharp tooth fishy.(sorry too drunk too spell)

Followed by an all you can eat buffet of hurri 2's, but then it all ran out and we had to go lookin for the desert tray, and we found it south.(Kermit)

J/K

all in good fun, I pleaded with Nef before the frame for a Tie so everybody would be happy, ask Nef if I said that, bet ya $100.00 I did.
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: TracerX on February 17, 2007, 02:56:13 AM
--blink--blink--

Ugh. I think I puked up a boston over there in the corner. I shouldn't have eaten so much.

I don't feel so good right now. All I remember was the waiter bringing our squad a nice tray of Bostons with no escort for dinner, and then I wake up with a HUGE food bill stuck to my forehead! Who the heck ate 4 Bostons and a couple of Hurricanes for dinner! Krusty, RDRTrash and Ramon are passed out over there by the empty punch bowl looking as guilty as sin. By the look and smell of things, the food was pretty good last night... Sorry we didn't save much for you there Doobs. I am sure the squad will be talking about this night for the rest of their lives. What a blast!  

What!!! Two destroyers!! How am I going to pay for this!!
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: Easyscor on February 17, 2007, 03:06:58 AM
:lol Nice Tracer.
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: Keeler101 on February 17, 2007, 07:25:47 AM
I knew the germans were going over our downed planes, now they have copied the hurri and are using it :O
Title: Re: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: Sketch on February 17, 2007, 09:05:14 AM
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Originally posted by Dantoo
Now it may well have been an accident and if so c'est la vie.  I understand similar happened last week with somone else. It really annoys to be taken out by "friendly" fire even if it is just an inconvenience at worst.  Got to be more careful please guys.  WTG on the other kill.


Yeah I hear you on that Dantoo...  I get an assist for helping shoot down my own squaddie as well... once again last night.  Now, two weeks ago it was from a busrt of 30mm from my 110 and I watched Ziff go poof really fast.  :t   Now last night I didn't even thing about it as Ziff, Grog and myself were on the deck and all of a sudden spit's and hurri's came zipping in on our 6....  So when I help Ziff clear a Hurri off his 6 and am below him I help that clown shoot down my own squaddie.....  oh well, I think between the three of us we bagged about 7 or so... but the funny thing is. Ziff rolled in an 88... and 20 minutes later it says he joined as gunner.... but yet he was flying by me all night... wierd!:huh
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: DmdJJ on February 17, 2007, 03:25:16 PM
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Originally posted by Stoney74
I'm still trying to figure out why there were no P-40's, 1 F4F, and no Seafires flown by the allies.  I've never seen so many Hurri II's in one spot.  Did the allies not have minimum number of aircraft for each type this frame?

Allies CO needs a CAT scan to see if any part of his brain functions. You Axis boys might of had fun clubbing us baby seals, but really, did it take much skill. Unescorted Bostons must have been a great sight form your side, but on our side I would say there were more than a few of us that were pissed off. I think The Damned lasted all of 20 minutes total, and hit three targets. Fifteen bombers gone in a matter of 60 seconds. Not to mention two weeks in a row flying Bostons. I took a month and a half off from FSO because the fun factor was gone. Well It's gone again, after flying the last two frames. I think I'll take even more time off this time. It just isn't worth staying up that late to get your bellybutton handed to you.
I'll be back if FSO start time gets changed to 22:00 est. Till then, have fun and I'll see you in the MA.
Damned JJ out
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: RDRTrash on February 17, 2007, 04:05:07 PM
*BUUUUUURP*     -ahem-

Sheesh, stretch marks!!! :huh

I think I blacked out after munching the 4th Boston because I don't even remember eating the 5th *BUUURP*, sorry about the bill TracerX :aok

Sorry it was un-fun for you Damned-ones (I guess that's double word score right now), when I heard "Hurri's headed in to the base, low" I figured that the orders must have been foobed; that didn't stop me from getting right back in the chow line though! :rofl

A week off... Hopefully the vittles will be just as good during the next set of Frames.  *S* poor allied victims
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: doobs on February 17, 2007, 05:59:26 PM
Sorry to hear it JJ, think we have all been in that Situation at one time or another.


And that explains why the Bostons did the fighter sweep for the hurris at A35
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: Dantoo on February 19, 2007, 09:47:46 AM
Zrex contacted me last night and explained what happened.

He was ordered to dump his ord on takeoff.  He was unaware that bombs in the SEA were any different to the MA.  He wasn't expecting any damage to be done and has been surprised to find out that he had caused the upset.  He raises a very valid point that it is hard to find out about things like this and he even has a few years experience.

:)
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: Krusty on February 19, 2007, 12:43:41 PM
*urp*

(*unzips pants*)

I don't know what the main course looked like, my wing and I were late to the party (us C202s were scouts) so I only got the table scraps. Funny thing is I thought I had more bostons than I did, and didn't realize I'd got so many hurricanes! The food does funny things when it starts pooling in your lungs and eyeballs...
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: Krusty on February 19, 2007, 12:49:24 PM
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Originally posted by DmdJJ
Allies CO needs a CAT scan to see if any part of his brain functions. You Axis boys might of had fun clubbing us baby seals, but really, did it take much skill. Unescorted Bostons must have been a great sight form your side, but on our side I would say there were more than a few of us that were pissed off. I think The Damned lasted all of 20 minutes total, and hit three targets. Fifteen bombers gone in a matter of 60 seconds. Not to mention two weeks in a row flying Bostons. I took a month and a half off from FSO because the fun factor was gone. Well It's gone again, after flying the last two frames. I think I'll take even more time off this time. It just isn't worth staying up that late to get your bellybutton handed to you.
I'll be back if FSO start time gets changed to 22:00 est. Till then, have fun and I'll see you in the MA.
Damned JJ out


I can fully understand your frustration on the matter. I might suggest being a CO (or XO or some direct assistant) in the next one, to better prevent this from happening. Doing it all by yourself takes a lot of effort and planning (so I learned in the BOB'06), but if you've got a team that lightens the load for all.

EDIT: Oh, and the fun-factor (for me) was even greater planning out the battle and the prongs of the attack.
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: 4XTCH on February 19, 2007, 01:41:17 PM
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Originally posted by Krusty
I can fully understand your frustration on the matter. I might suggest being a CO (or XO or some direct assistant) in the next one, to better prevent this from happening. Doing it all by yourself takes a lot of effort and planning (so I learned in the BOB'06), but if you've got a team that lightens the load for all.

EDIT: Oh, and the fun-factor (for me) was even greater planning out the battle and the prongs of the attack.




<> Krusty1:aok :aok  Well said!!

Some things I saw from my end:

1.Get your guys there (SEA) EARLY, and make sure their in uniform, ready to go at launch. Preparation Preparation Preparation. If your over or under your squads limit for pilots.... ask for help!!

2. This is not the MA. Make sure they understand FSO rules and setup ie. These are 1 life events w/ certain exceptions. This is an HONOR system!!
Killshooter is off, ammo and ords are live!

3. DO NOT Give Command of the one and ONLY Allied TG to someone who has obviously never commanded one.

DMDJJ:

It should never be about pointing fingers and assigning blame for what went wrong. This is a Team based event.
Did the Boston pilots ask for cover? Was there a strategy for keeping the TG alive?
How about the Hurri's ... what was their responsibility?
Orders are sent out to the CO's by the CiC's. They are the ones who create the battle plan. CO's should then send them off to squad members. They (CO's) are the ones who asked for and were handed plane sets for their respective squads. Did anybody read them, or did they end up in the trash basket?
Things can and should be discussed ahead of time within your country about the battle plan, no matter who you are or what you feel your rank is.
I got mine from my CO, and read them thoroughly. As a Setup CM, I did notice a small error and corrected this with the CiC's.
Someone will win the event.... I would guess to say that it is rare that you will ever see a "draw". Nobody likes to loose.... at least not me... but thats just my nature. It does however make me try harder the next time.
Please do not give up on FSO, it is a great event and needs active participation from EVERYONE to make it a success.

Just my .02 cents

4XTCH


PS: Please read the Sticky in Squad OP's Forum.
8 Steps on how to become a Frame CO
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: sqwigly on February 19, 2007, 03:03:34 PM
I was the one that  made the orders for the allied side.stoney,the only minimum we were given was on the hurricane,i think we covered that.and we had no seafires to pick,we were given the sea hurricane,but the factory wasnt ready on that one.lol

sorry to the dammed for the slaughter.my plan was to run our squad over 35 to drag the cover away just long enough for the dammed to get a good drop.i expected more dammed than 5 but it didnt happen.what was left of my squad would then push to 29 and hit anything befor +60.then the defence from the cv would rearm and hit 35 and 29.if i was to send us with escort it would have taken alot away from our defence,so i took a chance.

we got slaughtered as well and it did suck.my offence plan was not very good,but the defence did a great job

one thing id like to point out.when we started the carrier was in the far south west on a small patrol to the east.we were told we would be given command but were not asked where we wanted to put the carrier.i decided the carrier was fine where it was so i never took command of it.15 minutes into the frame i looked again and the carrier was replaced in  the east(on the front line)headed west.now i know i should have watched it more closely,but why was it moved to a new location?who moved it?its not like someone took control and sent it on a bad course,it was moved more than a grid from where it started.without a doubt it made the attack on the cv alot easier and gave the defence no time to counter the attack.

definately not my best planned frame so far,but the numbers dont look so bad.im hoping its not the total slaughter it seemed to be.wheres the final score?

also...it was in the orders to make shure you drop ord away from the base.

and im not clear if 4x is saying  im new at this?but just so you know this is the 5th time ive planned it and the 9th time our squad did it.just be glad we didnt break any "unwritten rules"this time.I know how to stomp the enemy,as ive shown in the past.but everyone complains that its not fair that way.so i ran it nice and even for everyone.(except for us and the dammed)

and no,the bombers didnt ask for escort,we were the bombers and we chose to risk it.
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: Krusty on February 20, 2007, 12:11:49 PM
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Originally posted by 4XTCH
3. DO NOT Give Command of the one and ONLY Allied TG to someone who has obviously never commanded one.


Nothing specific to this frame, but that is THE funniest line I've read about FSOs in a while!
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: 4XTCH on February 20, 2007, 02:17:25 PM
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Originally posted by sqwigly

one thing id like to point out.when we started the carrier was in the far south west on a small patrol to the east.we were told we would be given command but were not asked where we wanted to put the carrier.i decided the carrier was fine where it was so i never took command of it.15 minutes into the frame i looked again and the carrier was replaced in  the east(on the front line)headed west.now i know i should have watched it more closely,but why was it moved to a new location?who moved it?its not like someone took control and sent it on a bad course,it was moved more than a grid from where it started.without a doubt it made the attack on the cv alot easier and gave the defence no time to counter the attack.

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and im not clear if 4x is saying  im new at this?but just so you know this is the 5th time ive planned it and the 9th time our squad did it.just be glad we didnt break any "unwritten rules"this time.I know how to stomp the enemy,as ive shown in the past.but everyone complains that its not fair that way.so i ran it nice and even for everyone.(except for us and the dammed)

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Sqwigly,

<> Bro you did a great Job. :aok :aok
You are correct sir in the TG's course. That 8-12 to 9-12 heading was originally placed by me as Setup CM. After launch I IMMEDIATELY enabled the Allied side to have control, and that is where my "responsibility" is supposed to end.
When you Pm'd me in the frame, it seemed as though there was some confusion about TG placement, and I was worried that the problem may have been on my end. I must assume that no matter where the CV is headed, if it changes course someone had to have done it. If you needed it in a specific place you create the waypoints and send it on its way. It seemed as if we spent some time trying to figure that out. In hindsight, what I should have done was have you tune to CM VOX, and I think that was my fault. I also assumed wrongly that it was Bannor who was lead on the Allied side, and was wondering " Who's this Sqwigly guy....and why is he the one asking questions about the TG?"....
It will take me a little while to get to know each and every one of you that actively participate in FSO. Please be patient with me.

I do apologize if my post was in any way offensive.. I assure you it was not meant that way at all.  I tried to write it with a little humor in it...
After all, that was my FIRST FSO Hosting, and I know that I was not even close to getting it right.
As I said before, I think you did a great job and I will look forward to working with you again in upcoming FSO's.

4XTCH
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: doobs on February 20, 2007, 07:17:26 PM
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Originally posted by 4XTCH
<> Krusty1:aok :aok  Well said!!

Some things I saw from my end:

1.Get your guys there (SEA) EARLY, and make sure their in uniform, ready to go at launch. Preparation Preparation Preparation. If your over or under your squads limit for pilots.... ask for help!!






I wish, always the last minute arrivals, followed by "So what are we doing what are we taking, loadout, skin, which runway. Where we going?

I know this goes on in just bout every squad.


we just upped out numbers again to 16-21, since we were overflowin the last two weeks, so that means only 10 will show for the next event.
Title: Thought this sort of stuff was in the past?
Post by: Krusty on February 20, 2007, 08:20:21 PM
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Originally posted by doobs
we just upped out numbers again to 16-21, since we were overflowin the last two weeks, so that means only 10 will show for the next event.


Murphy was a squad CO.