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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: yanksfan on February 18, 2007, 04:26:39 AM
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:mad: YUPPERS! Same map in every room! Don't know the name of it, tt map? old training map? So sick of seeing it map? Your making my head hurt map?
My god come on, its been long over due for some new maps, and to the first idiot to tell me to submit a new one, "NO!", Im not on the payroll, I pay to play here, customers arent responcible for createing the product!
I remember reading in here when we first went to this 4 room system that new maps would be along, well its been too long, cough up!Get some new maps, or put up some of the old maps, or at the very least insure there is a different map in each room.
WE have already lost squadies to "IL2", This is getting painfully boring enough is enough time to come accross with at least five new maps in the rotation, there is no excuse to delay, combat tour will be along when it is ready in the mean time remember what the core business is.:furious :furious
And yes I am the father of Anna Nicole's baby.:eek:
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"whack a mole" is in every arena:eek: .
Skuzzy me ol fruit bat..... what ever happened to Wednesday arena resets.?
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yeah! what he said! WHACK WHACK WHACK! YEAH!
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I think Wednesday resets were because many times the large maps would not reset and rotate. With the small maps this isn't a problem.
I think there are 8 maps in rotation for MW & LW..
Baltic
Beta2
Mindnao
Mmesa
Ndiles
Sfma
Sfterr2
Smpizza
I don't recall the exact order.
The way every arena winds up with the same map is really quite simple. People go to the arena with the map they like. This increases the number of players in the arena. That decreases the amount of time to reset the arena. Once the arena resets, people go to their next favorite map and the cycle repeats itself until all arenas have the same map. They are then forced to play on a map they may not particularly like no matter where they go.
The only way to solve this would be to manually change the map in every arena once or twice a week. But then there would be the problem of people complaining about having the same map in the same arena for a week.
So, the question is how can this be handled to please everyone?
The answer is, you can't. You just do the best you can.
I do have one suggestion though. How about making maps rotate 3 times per arena so each country has to play each country position on each map before the arena switches to a new map? Then if the map hasn't rotated out of the arena in a week, reset it manually on Wednesdays.
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Originally posted by NHawk
Once the arena resets, people go to their next favorite map and the cycle repeats itself until all arenas have the same map. They are then forced to play on a map they may not particularly like no matter where they go.
The only way to solve this would be to manually change the map in every arena once or twice a week. But then there would be the problem of people complaining about having the same map in the same arena for a week.
Actually, it can be solved in different manners. Case in point, I don't have to fly in any of the MA arenas. I've pretty much just upped once or twice, decided that I still hate the map and went to the TA or the DA.
Downside of this, and one I'm very aware of, is that HTC still gets my $15 whether I fly in the MAs or not.
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Well, um, heres a simple idea, how bout some new frickin maps, the same ol crap maps are still old and boring no matter what order you see them in. or how often or what area of the map your contry has,
As far as complaints go, im not just complaining im stating a fact that 1/2 the pep's in this game agree, and alot of the old names you are seeing less and less of.
We were told that small maps would be used on a temporary basis, that new maps were on the way, we have gotten "2" and thats it,
It's not a matter of side balanceing, eny, flyboy vs gv'er none of that ,it's called boredom, these maps are boring ,face it, boreing,worn out, seen better days, dull, ready for the garbage heep, trash plain old stinko.
there is no amount of explanation that can fix it,NEW MAPS, very simple, NEW MAPS, one more time, NEW MAPS, SAY IT WITH ME CHILDREN,NEW MAPS,SING IT LOUD SO ALL THE PEOPLES BE HEARIN YA NOW!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry,.... got a lil into it,,,,,,,um,,,, time for my meds....
PS:...................MORE MAPS..................!
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OH, And by the way, NO ONE, has done the best they can, they have done nothing,lil less work on combat tour, lil more work on new maps.
GIGITIE GIGIITIE,,,,,, NEW MAPS
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^^^^^ Always gets a great response.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Bronk
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Originally posted by yanksfan
OH, And by the way, NO ONE, has done the best they can, they have done nothing,lil less work on combat tour, lil more work on new maps.
GIGITIE GIGIITIE,,,,,, NEW MAPS
As most of the maps we are using right now are player made maps you "trashing" the maps as "boring" and such really entice people to make more maps. Had you an inkling of what your talking about you would know that making a map is no easy thing, even for those at HTC.
OK so lets say that your a complete idiot, or that you don't want to waste your precious time building a map. How about you come up with an idea for one? You have to look at the stratigies that would play out, make sure there are no bottle necks, make sure it basically fair for all 3 sides, and make sure its fun and not boring....heaven forbid!
Time to grow up and realize that you can't have everything your way just by throwing a temper tantrum. Help solve the problem by working with people to add to the maps, or learn to have fun with what ya got. Other than that, the door is over there ------------------------->
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Why is it, that whenever someone posts anything negative about the game, all the mindless zombie HTC cronies come out with personal attacks. Do we need new maps Heck yes, could players make new ones...heck yes. It's obvious that most people are growing tired with the current maps and it sure would be nice to get some new ones.
If I had the patience to make one I would.
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Originally posted by NHawk
The way every arena winds up with the same map is really quite simple. People go to the arena with the map they like. This increases the number of players in the arena. That decreases the amount of time to reset the arena. Once the arena resets, people go to their next favorite map and the cycle repeats itself until all arenas have the same map. They are then forced to play on a map they may not particularly like no matter where they go.
The only way to solve this would be to manually change the map in every arena once or twice a week. But then there would be the problem of people complaining about having the same map in the same arena for a week.
So, the question is how can this be handled to please everyone?
The answer is, you can't. You just do the best you can.
It could be done relatively simply by taking a map out of rotation for any arena if it's already up in say two others. Maybe better yet, group EW and MW and the 2 LW arenas so that if a map is up in one it's out of rotation for the other.
I'm not a programmer but have run a couple of IT departments in the past and I don't think this would be overly complicated.
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Well, I guess if I played the maps instead of the people, I would be bored also. Perhaps I'm different. But, the map is just what I see on the way to the fight (and what I get a face full of after the fight :)). Funny thing, fighting the people never gets boring.
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I agree, new maps are due and saying it doesn't mean your having a temper tantrum. I think the guy is just trying to wake someone up.
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
As most of the maps we are using right now are player made maps you "trashing" the maps as "boring" and such really entice people to make more maps. Had you an inkling of what your talking about you would know that making a map is no easy thing, even for those at HTC.
OK so lets say that your a complete idiot, or that you don't want to waste your precious time building a map. How about you come up with an idea for one? You have to look at the stratigies that would play out, make sure there are no bottle necks, make sure it basically fair for all 3 sides, and make sure its fun and not boring....heaven forbid!
Time to grow up and realize that you can't have everything your way just by throwing a temper tantrum. Help solve the problem by working with people to add to the maps, or learn to have fun with what ya got. Other than that, the door is over there ------------------------->
I don't believe there was any slam directed towards the "Map Maker's". The ultimate complaint is boredom with same maps. How often to you watch a repeat on TV before you go "Oh fug that's on again", and then turn the channel. So what your telling me is, the only way I can see a new episode is become a writer, producer, and director?
Being one of the "Complete Idiots" that values what little "Precious Time" I have, why should have to become a designer of maps. I may be an idiot, but I'm not stupid. I can only imagine the amount of work that goes into building a new map and there are those that are much more qualified to do the job. and I have one hell of a respect for them.
Last night, same map, different twist though, must have been reset, our country shifted to different position on map. Same rerun, shift to different chair and watch from different angle, looked like different show (lol).
No slams or dunks intended Fugitive, just didn't completely agree with everything ya had to say
LTARokit
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YEA MORE MAPS MUHAHAHAHA!!!
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Maps! More! Ummmmmmmmm!:aok
Mark
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YOU KNOW FUGITIVE I AM NOT AS SERIUOS AS YOU MUST BE ABOUT ALL THIS, ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME AND READS WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN HERE KNOWS, THO I AM SERIUOS ABOUT THE RECYCLED MAPS, I SAY IT WITH TONGUE IN CHEEK, IF I HAVE AFFENDED YOU OR ANYONE ELSE BY POINTING OUT THE OBVIUOS I APPOLIGIZE, BUT YOU OR THEY SHOUILD LIGHTEN UP.I DON'T KNOW YOU SO I WOULD NOT CALL YOU AN IDIOT OR MAKE PERSONAL ATTACK ON YOU,CALL YOU NAMES OR BELITTLE YOUR OPINION.
bUT I HAVE SEEN ENOUGH OF WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN IN THE FORUMS TO OTHERS ABOUT THEIRS AND NOW TO ME ABOUT MY OPINION, AND I COULD ONLY CONCLUDE THAT YOU MUST BE AS POMPUS AS YOU SOUND.I AM NOT A MAP MAKER, I AM NOT A GAME MAKER, I PAY EVERY MONTH TO PLAY, JUST PLAY, AND I LOVE THIS GAME AS DO ALOT OF PEOPLE HERE, AND IF YOUR SO HAPPY PLAYING THE SAME HANDFULL OF MAPS OVER AND OVER AGAIN GOD BLESS YOU, BUT IF YOU OR AH IGNORE THE FACT THAT ALOT IF NOT MOST PEOPLE IN THIS GAME ARE SICK OF THESE MAPS THEN WE TRUELY ARE ON THE ROAD TO RUIN.
ANYWAYS, LIKE I SAID I DON'T KNOW YOU,I'M SURE YOUR A GOOD GUY,I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU OR YOUR OPINIONS, PLEASE GIVE ME A RIGHT TO HAVE A VOICE WITHOUT THE NAME CALLING.
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And also ,I never was talking to map makers, they do an awsum job with maps,never meant to belittle their efforts,the two reasonably new maps we have are the best,i just mean to point out that we need twice as many in the rotation and one map should never be in two arenas let alone all at the same time,as for fugitive like i said im sure he's a good guy, I don't know him.
when i said the maps are boring, i should have said they have become boring haveing seen them all so many times now in a very short rotation.If i could make a map that was worth sending in, I would, I know it's very difficult and those who can and have made them "S".
But, the fact is that AH itself has done nothing to add maps, or as far as I know address the problem. That is what i wanted to point out.
Call me an idiot whiner, ok , fine,I'm not alone,I'm in the vast majority,And the problem and the majority of us idiots will grow so long as we still have such a short list of maps.
So there, nahhhhhhhhhhh:cry
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From Skuzzy,
Dang, the last two new terrains I added 21 days ago are already used up. Ok, that says we need to provide 2 new terrains every 20 days.
That's about 37 terrains a year. Ok you terrain makers, better get busy. I know it takes about a month to 6 weeks to get a terrain done, so who are the 4 or 5 folks willing to dedicate their time to this endeavor?
Because if it is only HTC doing terrains, then we are looking at everything else being shut down. I know no one wants that.
Wish fester was still making maps.
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Originally posted by yanksfan
But, the fact is that AH itself has done nothing to add maps, or as far as I know address the problem. That is what i wanted to point out.
Thats not true yanksfan and I believe u know that already. You are frustrated like many of us are. I have found new ways of having fun by switching to the side with less numbers. Base capturing is fun for me now knowning that we have only 8 bases left. Taking on the mass hordes trying 2 reset the small maps I enjoy so much.
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<---- Hates the YANKEES!
Go Sox!
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So do i
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Originally posted by squealer
So do i
Didn't think you limeys were baseball fans. Who knew?
;) :D
Bronk
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Wow,lol, opened up a can o worms didn't i,,,,oops,,,,yes your right im sure asking for new maps is a bit simplistic, and yes there are many ways to play the game to have fun,fugitive loves the game and took offence to my comments, but you must admit, if i didn't have a point this would not be a popular topic.
I don't mean to whine about it,but when we had one arena, we had plenty of maps, now we have four arenas we need four times the maps, i know all the people at ah are doing what they can,and i know maps don't grow on trees, but maybe bring back some old maps with less bases, i don't know.
All I do know is that I and alot of other people are bored with the old maps and if the choice is like it or leave it, eventually people will leave.And I for one don't want to leave or have anyone else leave either.
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*SARCASM ON*
If it will remove gnat attention span squeakers.
Well then....
NO NEW MAPS
My ears hurt, and need some relief. :D
Bronk
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Reverse psychological – warfare:
Those at HTC NEED to focus on completing TOD. Do NOT, I repeat DO
NOT!! Focus on making new maps. If you do …… people will quit, HTC will go under, and there’s a good possibility, DAMNED good possibility…….the world as we know it.....WILL,….I say WILL!! Come to an end
:noid
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Yanksfan...
I know for a fact there are maps in the 'pipeline'. The recent hardware problems at HTC has put them on the back burner (you want Skuzzy workin' on maps...or keeping the game running?).
Now here is something you might want to consider...
Ignore the map. Go find a fight and you won't have time too worry about how bored you are with the map. Who knows....you might even have FUN!!! :)
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why dont you just fight the other "players"....oops i said the f word.
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I agree with yanksfan!!! Having fooled around some making maps I do know the work envolved. Except for the new smaller pizza map and the small messa map we see the same couple of maps week after week.
It isn't slamming the folks who made the maps to say we are tired of seeing them.
New maps have been asked for since the new smaller map version came out. You don't see it talked about in the fourms much anymore because 1) most people have had their say and 2) it's HTC's game and they can do what they want. Using the same maps week after week must be easier. Like showing re-runs on TV.
As for this little jewel...
Originally posted by The Fugitive
Time to grow up and realize that you can't have everything your way just by throwing a temper tantrum. Help solve the problem by working with people to add to the maps, or learn to have fun with what ya got. Other than that, the door is over there ------------------------->
If you are happy with the same maps all the time; great. I'm sure you are pleased with the way things are going. But no need to make it a personal attack.
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(as the child in the sore says) No mommy i want it now! and im going to throw a hissy fit till i get it and embares myself and you till you give in or slap the crap out of me (im waiting for the slap)
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I've been ritually cutting myself until the release of new maps.
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I'm sorry if I came off sounding so harsh, but this whine is old and tiring. I've been flying for years, started on airwarrior. We had two maps Europe, and pac. That was it, they never changed. You played the game to bomb, and fight and take land, the map was just something you ran into sometimes.
HTC has done a great job with a map rotation, granted it does get the same map in all the arenas once in a while, but big deal, again the map is just something to crash into once in a while. Its not like anyone is running any kind of strategy !
I know a couple of people who have made maps, mostly for the AvA arenas. They have said they will never, or never again make a map for the MA. Why, because you can't please everyone, and those that you can't are usually the more vocal ones. These guys spend their precious free time to build these maps and then get ridiculed and harrased for not doing it right.
HT and company are busy maintaining the game and building TOD, they havn't time to add new maps right now. So all that leaves you with is build your own and submit it, fly what we got or move on. Crying about the same maps being in rotation doesn't make the game any more fun so why bother. I'm sure HTC would love to have 50 maps or so that he could drop into rotation and make everyone happy. I'm sure they know its a problem a lot of people would like addressed.... just run a search on these forums! But lets just not beat this old horse any more.
I'm sure down the road we'll get new maps, new planes, updates on the F6F and nik art work, and many other things they have on the drawing board that you don't even realise you want yet! Give them a break ! Heck think of the work Skuzzy would get done if he didn't have to monitor these boards !
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Originally posted by The Fugitive
I know a couple of people who have made maps, mostly for the AvA arenas. They have said they will never, or never again make a map for the MA. Why, because you can't please everyone, and those that you can't are usually the more vocal ones. These guys spend their precious free time to build these maps and then get ridiculed and harrased for not doing it right.
Welp, that is one of the requirements....seriously thick skin. :)
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Originally posted by yanksfan
...ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME AND READS WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN HERE KNOWS, THO I AM SERIUOS ABOUT THE RECYCLED MAPS, I SAY IT WITH TONGUE IN CHEEK...
CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL
and with 12 total posts I don't think anyone[/I] here has a clue about you, knows you, or cares in the least.
It boils down to mutual respect, and intelligent posts, and responses.
make a post like above and act like a whining child, be treated like a whining child.
you don't seem to have been around long, and obviously don't know the history of AH, and what has and has not changed. you have not witnessed when there were only 4 total maps in the entire rotation, and they were over 2 years old each. you haven't seen a player-submitted map get put up and the incredible whines about it, totally knocking the months of effort that player put into making a map. you haven't seen the "backlash" to new map layouts and strategies that were intentionally built into their design.
this sort of goes for everyone in AH... until you have made a map, and gotten it approved and used in the MA don't bother complaining about it. I tried and got about 1/2 way through, and basically gave up it was so complicated to make what I really wanted to go for in terrain design. I don't bother complaining about what map is up, though I may say some maps are up longer than I'd like, but that's only because I don't care about the whole "win the war" thing, and it is my own fault not helping newer players understand what really is needed to "win the reset". so I let them go on fighting their own battle they think is important, and I look for the best furball / fight.
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Last word on the subject,if you read the posts i have put on here you'll see i never bashed map makers,only that I and alot of others are tired of these maps.
By the way, mighty fine soap box ya got there.
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Yes, you must be very thick skinned and pay attention to the number of positive feedbacks vs negative. So far as I've seen, I've yet to get more negative than positive.
Now this is just for general information, there are many shortcuts that can be taken but here is a bare minimum of what is required for a 256mile MA map.....
1) A playable layout must be created
2) 262,144 points of elevation must be set on the terrain
3) 262,144 terrain textures must be placed on the terrain
4) 60 fields must be placed
5) 60 towns must be placed
6) 120 vehicle spawns must be placed
7) 21 strat objects must be placed
8) All supply roads/tracks/barges must be created
9) Weather (clouds) must be created
10) The entire terrain must be error checked
At any point during steps 1 through 5 any unanticipated glaring deficiencies (advantages for one side) can make you start at step 1 all over again.
I hope this helps explain why terrains take so long to make.
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I think we should only have TT map all the time. Once the center is captured by one team, the battles to take it back really begin. I just can't get enuf of it, when it goes I cry, when it comes back I dance.:noid
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Originally posted by yanksfan
OH, And by the way, NO ONE, has done the best they can, they have done nothing,lil less work on combat tour, lil more work on new maps.
GIGITIE GIGIITIE,,,,,, NEW MAPS
How many maps have you submitted. Or do you just sit on the sidelines and pout.
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See Rules #4, #5
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Originally posted by yanksfan
I thought a forum was used to present ones veiws for public debate without fear of ridicule.
That is correct...except for the ridicule part. If you can't take the heat....don't light a fire. :D
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Originally posted by DREDger
...I think we should only have TT map all the time....
Now THAT would be a great idea! One map the size of TT island in place of one of the late war arenas'. Spawn points spead out some, forcing tankers to drive some to get to the battle. Funneling terrain with distict edges. Add strat targets and force the tankers to defend and resupply....
Then the rest of us can get on with the war.
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I think the issue is Host Reset of Maps. How the helll it got whacked out of proportion is beyond me.
Is there some tech reason HTC doesn't reset maps manually anymore?
Is it a long process robbing HTC of Development time?
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Mozilla Firefox (http://www.mozilla.com) has a built in spell checker. PLEASE consider using it.
Am I the only one that, when reading a long wall o' text post, will quit reading and move to the next post if there are ton's of spelling and grammatical mistakes?
I tend to skip over single huge paragraph posts. Typically they are not worth my time reading, and rarely have anything to say that is worth considering.
Granted, I am not asking for perfection, as I tend to be lazy when I post, but cripes at least make the effort people!
(Not directed towards anybody in particular, just an observation. I am suffering AH withdraw right now, and am in quite a "mood")
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See Rule #4
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Originally posted by yanksfan
See Rule #4
Pardon?? :huh
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Originally posted by yanksfan
See Rule #4
You promised us your "last word" twice.
Given the fact that NoBaddy is one of the players who took the time to design and introduce a pretty damned nice map, which involved months of his spare time, you have no justification flinging poo at him. As NB said in a previous post, the game is really about the players and the fight.
No how about giving the subject a rest, please.
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Originally posted by WMLute
...Am I the only one that, when reading a long wall o' text post, will quit reading and move to the next post if there are ton's of spelling and grammatical mistakes?
I tend to skip over single huge paragraph posts. Typically they are not worth my time reading, and rarely have anything to say that is worth considering.
Granted, I am not asking for perfection, as I tend to be lazy when I post, but cripes at least make the effort people!
(Not directed towards anybody in particular, just an observation. I am suffering AH withdraw right now, and am in quite a "mood")
nope, not the only one by a far stretch.
funny thing is I put extra breaks, probably more than needed just to make sure it is legible in this style of forum
personally I read the first line or 2 then move on as usually it is "blar blar blar blar" then just a reiteration of said "blarh" in the rest of the wall-o-text
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If it's not worth punctuating, it's not worth reading.
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Originally posted by yanksfan
Well, um, heres a simple idea, how bout some new frickin maps, ...
There have been 4 new terrains installed in the last 3 months, or so. If they are not coming fast enough for you, you can always grab the Terrain Editor and help put some new ones together. We have no problem with people wanting to help in this area.
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Originally posted by yanksfan
YOU KNOW FUGITIVE I AM NOT AS SERIUOS AS YOU MUST BE ABOUT ALL THIS, ANYONE WHO KNOWS ME AND READS WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN HERE KNOWS, THO I AM SERIUOS ABOUT THE RECYCLED MAPS, I SAY IT WITH TONGUE IN CHEEK, IF I HAVE AFFENDED YOU OR ANYONE ELSE BY POINTING OUT THE OBVIUOS I APPOLIGIZE, BUT YOU OR THEY SHOUILD LIGHTEN UP.I DON'T KNOW YOU SO I WOULD NOT CALL YOU AN IDIOT OR MAKE PERSONAL ATTACK ON YOU,CALL YOU NAMES OR BELITTLE YOUR OPINION.
bUT I HAVE SEEN ENOUGH OF WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN IN THE FORUMS TO OTHERS ABOUT THEIRS AND NOW TO ME ABOUT MY OPINION, AND I COULD ONLY CONCLUDE THAT YOU MUST BE AS POMPUS AS YOU SOUND.I AM NOT A MAP MAKER, I AM NOT A GAME MAKER, I PAY EVERY MONTH TO PLAY, JUST PLAY, AND I LOVE THIS GAME AS DO ALOT OF PEOPLE HERE, AND IF YOUR SO HAPPY PLAYING THE SAME HANDFULL OF MAPS OVER AND OVER AGAIN GOD BLESS YOU, BUT IF YOU OR AH IGNORE THE FACT THAT ALOT IF NOT MOST PEOPLE IN THIS GAME ARE SICK OF THESE MAPS THEN WE TRUELY ARE ON THE ROAD TO RUIN.
ANYWAYS, LIKE I SAID I DON'T KNOW YOU,I'M SURE YOUR A GOOD GUY,I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU OR YOUR OPINIONS, PLEASE GIVE ME A RIGHT TO HAVE A VOICE WITHOUT THE NAME CALLING.
Oh my gosh we have found Hitech's shade.....:D
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Roy "Skuzzy" Neese
support@hitechcreations.com
I would love to change the world, but I do not have access to the source code.
I have the code!
It's for sale!
Very reasonable price too,
well, considering what one might do with it!
Just three easy payments!
Plus you get a life time supply of useless insulting thread topics at no extra charge.
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lol, is someone making friends?