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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: john9001 on February 18, 2007, 01:39:03 PM
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the democrats greatest fear is that there will be a stable Iraq in nov 2008
what will pelosie and murtha do then?
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If a stable Iraq in 20 months is their greatest fear..... they've got nothing to worry about.
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I would say their greatest fear is doing something and having to explain and or deal with the consequences. Anyone can complain, it takes thought and ideas to have a workable alternative or solution. If they had one they'd be all over the press with it. They might even get the current administration to buy it as well as long as the current troop leadership said it was a possible solution.
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No their biggest fear is that someone will ask them a question that requires an answer that doesn't allow them to place blame on anyone or anything.
I went to the DNC website and was amazed that for every issue listed as a primary concern for their party all they did was blame the republicans or Bush or both as the problem. Not one statement about what they would do to fix the problem just who is to blame.
Sad state of affairs in this country when the only thing that matters is finding someone else to blame for everything you don't like instead of coming foward with a solution.
I've always lived by the philosophy of, Don't bring me a problem, bring me a solution.
What have the Democrats done since they got into office?? NOTHING!!! They've lost 2 votes on non binding resolutions that wouldn't have done anything even if they had won the votes. They've done nothing but waste my time and money. I wouldn't hire any of those idiots to cut my grass let alone run a country.
Now I'll wait for the flaming to begin but for those of you that belive in the Democratic party please do me a favor and TRY to come back with something other that "Bush created this whole mess" or something similar. Don't place blame.....bring me a SOLUTION that makes some sort of sense.
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Understand, I am a conservative, mostly Republican voting man...
...but let me ask you...
...what did the Republicans do with a total lock on the government for the last few years? Not much.
They managed to push through two qualified people for the Supreme Court. That was good.
What else?
Tax relief? But was that smart? Given we are spending money hand-over-fist for this war, how can we afford the tax breaks that have been given? We can't. We are so deep in the hole now I don't know how we can get out.
No Child Left Behind legislation for public schools? What a joke. The name itself is pure insanity. You should see some of the mandates built into it. They make absolutely no sense at all - none. Yet, schools have to live up to them anyway. Your attendance didn't reach 100% after being 99.6% for three years? You lose federal funds. Twelve kids fail to pass standardized tests out of 300? Too bad, you need to knock that down to 11. Lost money. And so on. That's Bush's pet, and it's designed to guarantee failure as far as I'm concerned.
What inroads have been made on traditional Republican ideals, such as Roe v. Wade? Nothing.
How about scandal? How many we had in the last 6 years? I was hard on the last scandal-plagued administration, and this one gets no pass from me. Some seriously wrong crap is going on, and running the flag up the pole while yelling "terrorists!" won't make it all go away.
What we have after six years of this administration is... not much. The Republicans squandered their bully pulpit, and have only themselves to blame for it. The Democrats didn't take Congress away from the Republicans; the Republicans handed it to them.
I personally just want a leader that knows what he/she wants to do, can articulate that path in a clear and honest way, and make me believe they have the best interests of the country in mind. I could follow that person regardless of their views, because I am naive enough to believe that's what a leader does.
I hoped Bush would be that man. He isn't. Maybe the next person will be, but I can tell you this, my vote will have nothing to do with "R" or "D". It's the message, the vision, I want.
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Originally posted by john9001
the democrats greatest fear is that there will be a stable Iraq in nov 2008
what will pelosie and murtha do then?
Funny, I was going to say an armed populice.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Understand, I am a conservative, mostly Republican voting man...
...but let me ask you...
...what did the Republicans do with a total lock on the government for the last few years? Not much.
They managed to push through two qualified people for the Supreme Court. That was good.
What else?
Tax relief? But was that smart? Given we are spending money hand-over-fist for this war, how can we afford the tax breaks that have been given? We can't. We are so deep in the hole now I don't know how we can get out.
No Child Left Behind legislation for public schools? What a joke. The name itself is pure insanity. You should see some of the mandates built into it. They make absolutely no sense at all - none. Yet, schools have to live up to them anyway. Your attendance didn't reach 100% after being 99.6% for three years? You lose federal funds. Twelve kids fail to pass standardized tests out of 300? Too bad, you need to knock that down to 11. Lost money. And so on. That's Bush's pet, and it's designed to guarantee failure as far as I'm concerned.
What inroads have been made on traditional Republican ideals, such as Roe v. Wade? Nothing.
How about scandal? How many we had in the last 6 years? I was hard on the last scandal-plagued administration, and this one gets no pass from me. Some seriously wrong crap is going on, and running the flag up the pole while yelling "terrorists!" won't make it all go away.
What we have after six years of this administration is... not much. The Republicans squandered their bully pulpit, and have only themselves to blame for it. The Democrats didn't take Congress away from the Republicans; the Republicans handed it to them.
I personally just want a leader that knows what he/she wants to do, can articulate that path in a clear and honest way, and make me believe they have the best interests of the country in mind. I could follow that person regardless of their views, because I am naive enough to believe that's what a leader does.
I hoped Bush would be that man. He isn't. Maybe the next person will be, but I can tell you this, my vote will have nothing to do with "R" or "D". It's the message, the vision, I want.
Considering the turn around in our economy and the fact that we are actually taking in MORE TAXES now than we were before the so called "tax cuts for the rich" I'd say they've done alot.
What erks me and most other conservatives is the fact that they did ZERO to curb illegal immigration or protect our borders.
The dems are obstructionists. Now that they have to come up with a plan what have they got? A resolution that they can't get to fly that does nothing. All that talk about minimum wage increases (wich arguably hurt more than help) hasn't materialized.
I agree with the thread whole heartedly ( and i've been saying this since 2004) that the democrats need to do something other than just oppose a party and a president.
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Never called them "tax cuts for the rich". I don't subscribe to that. At any rate, the problem is an overwhelming debt that places our economy severely at risk. Short term fix, long term penalty.
Yeah, that immigration thing. Forgot about that. Worker amnesty. Sheesh.
Other than that I agree with you. Both sides need to lead, not impede.
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No, it's the lack of an understanding of economics that threatens most of the people. Like the fact that running up the debt while in a recession will pull you out of it.
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Originally posted by Kieran
Never called them "tax cuts for the rich". I don't subscribe to that. At any rate, the problem is an overwhelming debt that places our economy severely at risk. Short term fix, long term penalty.
Yeah, that immigration thing. Forgot about that. Worker amnesty. Sheesh.
Other than that I agree with you. Both sides need to lead, not impede.
I wasn't pinning that phrase on you, just the opposite. I roll my eyes every time I hear it because it is such a lie.
BUT, like I said we are pulling in more taxes now than we were with the higher rates. With out increases in spending we'd paying down the debt, but of course Bush has spent like a teenager with a credit card. The GWOT hasn't helped though just to be fair.
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Dems greatest fear?
Abolishing abortion!
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Originally posted by Kieran
Understand, I am a conservative, mostly Republican voting man...
...but let me ask you...
...what did the Republicans do with a total lock on the government for the last few years? Not much.
They managed to push through two qualified people for the Supreme Court. That was good.
What else?
Tax relief? But was that smart? Given we are spending money hand-over-fist for this war, how can we afford the tax breaks that have been given? We can't. We are so deep in the hole now I don't know how we can get out.
No Child Left Behind legislation for public schools? What a joke. The name itself is pure insanity. You should see some of the mandates built into it. They make absolutely no sense at all - none. Yet, schools have to live up to them anyway. Your attendance didn't reach 100% after being 99.6% for three years? You lose federal funds. Twelve kids fail to pass standardized tests out of 300? Too bad, you need to knock that down to 11. Lost money. And so on. That's Bush's pet, and it's designed to guarantee failure as far as I'm concerned.
What inroads have been made on traditional Republican ideals, such as Roe v. Wade? Nothing.
I got news for you. You are not a fiscal conservative. Low taxes are an essential tenet of conservative thought because lowering taxes stimulates the economy and actually increases the tax revenue for the government. It has happened this time around just like every other time.
Lowering taxes means more jobs. Lowering taxes on the rich is especially effective because the 'rich' create all the jobs (non-government ones anyway)
on a side note, if it were my decision the FairTax would go into effect tomorrow.
http://www.fairtax.org
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The Democrats greatest fear is taking a position and actually having to stand by it.
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Gumbeau,
Ah, but the other tenet of fiscal conservativism is lowering overall costs. The tax cut appeases a broad group of people while spending them into oblivion. A true fiscal conservative is appalled by deficit spending.
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Originally posted by Gumbeau
I got news for you. You are not a fiscal conservative. Low taxes are an essential tenet of conservative thought because lowering taxes stimulates the economy and actually increases the tax revenue for the government. It has happened this time around just like every other time.
Lowering taxes means more jobs. Lowering taxes on the rich is especially effective because the 'rich' create all the jobs (non-government ones anyway)
on a side note, if it were my decision the FairTax would go into effect tomorrow.
http://www.fairtax.org
If you actually read through it, the fairtax bill is a poorly thought through feel good piece of legislation.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
The Democrats greatest fear is taking a position and actually having to stand by it.
Which pretty much sums up the greatest fear situation for any politician in any country.
Did you guys see the quote from Congressman Duncan Hunter? A Repbulican that threw his hat into the ring recently. He has no money, just an idea.
Great quote though:
Hunter won what might have been the first contest of this presidential cycle ---- the Maricopa County (Phoenix) straw poll. It's a start. He says he has $300,000 "in pledges," a sum that could be a rounding error in the McCain campaign's accounts. But he says, "I kind of know what I stand for" so "I don't need consultants, and that saves a lot of money." He has produced some commercials ---- just talking to the camera ---- for $200.
Duncan Hunter Article - Sounds like the best Republican in so far to me (http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2007/02/18/opinion/will/17_40_122_17_07.txt)
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Their greatest fear I am convinced is that they will win the presidency on 08
which is why they are going to put up Hillary or Obamba.
they are subconciously making it harder on themselves
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
If you actually read through it, the fairtax bill is a poorly thought through feel good piece of legislation.
At the risk of hijacking this thread, I have read through it, and quite a bit from economists on its likely impact on the economy. It is in my opinion the single best thing we could do to insure continuing prosperity and would secure our place as the premier economic power for the foreseeable future. However, I encourage everyone to go to the site, read about it, and seek out balanced views concerning it. I'd go on, but that's the topic for another thread.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
If a stable Iraq in 20 months is their greatest fear..... they've got nothing to worry about.
The premise just plain BA-Zonko Crazy.
Dems greatest fear blah blah blah
Repubs greatest fear blah blah blah
Nimrodic xenophobic jingoistic blue haired under the dryer Tabloid reading talkers.
Ugh.
hap
p.s. I'm hoping for a couple good candidates from which to choose. Only a nut would wish otherwise. What we get is another matter. Nonetheless, I'm hoping.
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Sabre, this piece in the "About" in fairtax website tells me one of two things.
The FairTax taxes us only on what we choose to spend, not on what we earn. It does not raise any more or less revenue; it is designed to be revenue neutral. So it is also cost neutral – the final cost for goods and services changes little under the FairTax. The FairTax is a fair, efficient, transparent, and intelligent solution to the frustration and inequity of our current tax system.
The FairTax:
* Abolishes the IRS
* Closes all loopholes and brings fairness to taxation
* Ensures Social Security and Medicare funding
* Brings transparency and accountability to tax policy
* Allows American products to compete fairly
* Reimburses the tax on purchases of basic necessities
* Enables retirees to keep their entire pension
* Enables workers to keep their entire paycheck
First is that they hired a second grader to write for them. Or that they don't even realize how contradictory most of that stuff is.
I'm thinking that they don't realize how contradictory it really is.
To get rid of income tax and not plan to get rid of all the things they spend on is just rediculous thinking.
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Laser, your comment seems to imply a lack of familiarity with the details of the legislation. I suggest you look more closely. There is an excellent book out by the original sponsor of the bill in the House which explains how it would work, what the impacts would likely be, and address the common criticisms. It also gives a rather illuminating history lesson about how we got the mess we call our "tax system" in the first place.
The Fair Tax Bill does not do away with revenue collection, but only changes how the collection is done. The short version is that taxes will be collected on purchases of new retail goods and services. It is revenue neutral in the sense that the percentage of purchases collected as taxes is based on maintaining the current budgetary requirement; it is not meant to create a windfall revenue for Congress to fritter away, nor is it meant to collect less than what is required. The assertion that the final cost paid for retail goods and services will remain essentially the same after the bill goes into effect is based on the fact that 18 to 25 percent of the cost of goods and services you buy under the current system is hidden taxes paid all the way from inception to delivery. When those costs go down with the abolishment of those taxes, market forces will drive the costs to consumers down by an amount roughly equal (on average) to the federal sales tax being added back in.
Admittedly, my response here is limited, since I don't want to hijack this thread. So I probably raised as many questions as I answered. Just trying to show that there is more to it than you seem to realize. If you wish to continue the discussion in another thread, feel free to start one. I will be happy to pursue the topic further.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
If a stable Iraq in 20 months is their greatest fear..... they've got nothing to worry about.
Damn straight.
Stability in Iraq is probably decades (if not centuries) away.
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thanks to the Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld scamjob the democrats have their ticket punched for the next 16 years.
Yet there is hope:
For all you sad sacks still suckling on the Bush/Cheney nipple of deception hoping for a squirt of redemption, go here:
http://www.johnmccain.com/
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I liked McCain before he started suckling on that same Bush/Cheney nipple.
He's every bit as smarmy as Kerry, IMHO.