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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: bsdaddict on February 19, 2007, 02:09:42 PM
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I hope I'm wrong in my opinion that Bush is no friend to the 2nd Ammendment and he veto's this when it comes across his desk. Doubtful, 'cause he already said he'd sign the renewal of the AWB, but a guy can hope, no?
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h110-1022
any of you interested in buying an M1 Garand or an M14? Better do it soon, if this passes they'll be specifically prohibited. So is:
`(L) A semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'.
so, any semi-auto rifle or shotgun (WTF?!?) purchased (procured for use) by the fedgov will be illegal, if this passes. :noid
all I know is Ron Paul will vote against this, that's for sure. :)
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and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event.'. :huh
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How's that for covering all your bases? :confused:
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yea just in case they missed anything...
SEC. 3. DEFINITIONS
`(30) The term `semiautomatic assault weapon' means any of the following:
`(G) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
ok so I dont remember everything about semi auto pistols but doesnt that cover a lot of 9mms dont they have like 12 or 15 round magazines? or is the trick word here "fixed magazine"
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as determined by the Attorney General.
This is the same guy that's letting two Border Patrol agents twist in the wind, right?
Glad I'm already covered.
And for pistols, the correct term is CLIP. A MAGAZINE is the correct term for rifles.
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Clips:
(http://www.thecountryshed.com/sks_ac1.jpg)
Magazine:
(http://www.cactustactical.com/osc/images/sigp2258rd.jpg)
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WOW and go figure, a Democrat is trying to get this through, but hey they are all for American freedoms right?? Why would they want to bring back a law that did nothing in the first place?? Oh that's right, it's what they do.
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Yeah democrats are no threat to the second amendment.... oh yeah thats clear now.
Bush will sign this.....because he is a worthless pile of steaming ****. Buy them now.... cause Bush wont veto this.
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Originally posted by VOR
Clips:
(http://www.thecountryshed.com/sks_ac1.jpg)
Magazine:
(http://www.cactustactical.com/osc/images/sigp2258rd.jpg)
LOL spot on.
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Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) is the sole sponsor of this bill and has a long history of suffering from a one track mind.
So, relax for a bit. It isn't time to build a cabin in the woods and start typing out your manifestos.
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Democrats are scared the PEOPLE will learn the REAL reason why are forefathers made the 2nd Amendment the SECOND AMENDMENT. Our forefathers knew that all forms of governments would become corrupt over a period of time and that the PEOPLE would have to wash away the corrupt with their blood. If you really think the 2nd Amendment is about hunting your an idiot.
When the government fears the people there's democracy, when the people fear the government there's tyranny.
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Originally posted by VOR
Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY) is the sole sponsor of this bill and has a long history of suffering from a one track mind.
So, relax for a bit. It isn't time to build a cabin in the woods and start typing out your manifestos.
heh...too late
:D
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Originally posted by tedrbr
And for pistols, the correct term is CLIP. A MAGAZINE is the correct term for rifles.
You are so wrong.
Originally posted by VOR
Clips:
(http://www.thecountryshed.com/sks_ac1.jpg)
Magazine:
(http://www.cactustactical.com/osc/images/sigp2258rd.jpg)
Thank you and <> VOR.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Bush will sign this.....because he is a worthless pile of steaming ****. Buy them now.... cause Bush wont veto this.
Has he actually said this, or just an assumption? He did let the old AWB expire didn't he?
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during his campaign he made a promise to sign the AWB if it was placed on his desk. I don't have an exact quote, shouldn't be too hard to find...
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Yes, I seem to remember him saying that as well.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Yes, I seem to remember him saying that as well.
How will you run your rebellion of they take away teh Black rifles?? ;)
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The fault lies with everyone who was stupid enough to vote for a democratic congressman/congresswoman.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
How will you run your rebellion of they take away teh Black rifles?? ;)
My rifles aren't black.
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/countertop/garand.jpg)
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In case you haven't read it, that one's on the list of this bill.
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I'm fully aware of it.
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I could I ask what AWB is? Is it Automatic Weapons BXXXXX?
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Voohoo, the link to the bill is at the top. It's a short read.
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If you can watch YouTube vids, here's a San Jose police officer addressing the semi-auto rifle issue. If you're not tehnically familiar with rifles, it's a great source of information.
Semi-Auto Firearms (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysf8x477c30)
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Originally posted by Airscrew
yea just in case they missed anything...
ok so I dont remember everything about semi auto pistols but doesnt that cover a lot of 9mms dont they have like 12 or 15 round magazines? or is the trick word here "fixed magazine"
My gun (S&W 669 .9mm) is an "illegal" assault weapon if I have my 13 round mag in, and legal with the after market 10 round. I think fixed applies more to shotguns, or weapons that hold ammo internally.. but I'm not 100% sure.
(http://members.dslextreme.com/users/fanofhockey/MP3/ah/669.jpg)
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Ok, so if that applies to a fixed magazine, and if a shotgun is an example of a firearm that has a fixed magazine then it still doesnt make a lot of sense to me. last time I held a shotgun was 94 and if i remember right they only held 5 shells and if it was hunting season you had to have a plug that limited that to 3 shells. What shotgun holds more that 10 shells?
and if they are referring to rifles, I think my 30-30 and .32 only held like 5 or 6 rounds in the tube and those were lever action. the only semi-auto I can think of with a tube magazine was a Marlin 22 and it only held something like 10 I think.
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I remember reading somewhere, maybe its not this bill....but someone was making a real push to ban .50 caliber firearms for sale to the general public (i.e. Barrett M-82s, etc). Basically they want this because a 50 cal round can puncture the highest level bulletproof glass
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Your gandpa's old 30-30 deer rifle is actually a deadly sniper rifle firing armor piercing ammo capable of delivering deadly, pinpoint accuracy at amazing distances over 100 meters. This is typical of the inaccurate and often deceptive logic behind such laws as the one in question in this thread.
Snip:
Sniper Rifles are typically equipped with a high-powered scope, and every single one of them can blow through the body armor cops wear. They can even penetrate multiple police cars. Does the Second Amendment protect cop-killer Sniper Rifles? The NRA certainly thinks so, along with the powerful gun lobby that wants your children and your law enforcement officers to be at risk from these weapons of mass destruction. Some of these Sniper Rifles can even penetrate ballistic or armored glass, lightly armored vehicles, and armored limousines. Senator Ted Kennedy attempted to solve this with an important bill that would have banned armor piercing ammunition and protected lawful firearm commerce:
"Another rifle caliber, the 30.30 caliber, was responsible for penetrating three officers' armor and killing them in 1993, 1996, and 2002. This ammunition is also capable of puncturing light-armored vehicles, ballistic or armored glass, armored limousines, even a 600-pound safe with 600 pounds of safe armor plating.....
..It is outrageous and unconscionable that such ammunition continues to be sold in the United States of America.."
The full article is amusing if not disturbing and can be found on the Brady Campaign's new blog site.
Blog (http://www.myspace.com/bradycampaign)
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Right to bare arms..
Well we all have arms..
We're screwed...
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The bill basically grandfather's in the M1 carbine, and the Garand
Section 922(v)(3) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking `(3)' and all that follows through the 1st sentence and inserting the following:
`(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that--
`(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level, or slide action;
`(B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or
`(C) is an antique firearm.'.
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Bodhi, the law specifically bans the M1 Carbine by name.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
The bill basically grandfather's in the M1 carbine, and the Garand
Section 922(v)(3) of title 18, United States Code, as added by section 2(a) of this Act, is amended by striking `(3)' and all that follows through the 1st sentence and inserting the following:
`(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that--
`(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level, or slide action;
`(B) has been rendered permanently inoperable; or
`(C) is an antique firearm.'.
The M1 Garand, IS NOT an antique firearm.
Title 18, Section 921(a)(16) then defines "antique firearm" as follows:
"The term 'antique firearm' means -
(A) any firearm (including any firearm with a matchlock, flintlock, percussion cap, or similar type of ignition system) manufactured in or before 1898; and
(B) any replica of any firearm described in subparagraph (A) if such replica -
(i) is not designed or redesigned for using rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition, or
(ii) uses rimfire or conventional centerfire fixed ammunition which is no longer manufactured in the United States and which is not readily available in the ordinary channels of commercial trade."
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They are trying to ban all semi auto firearms... that would include any semi auto pistol, rifle or shotgun regardless of its ammo capacity.
They will then go after pumps and revolvers just like in england... england is their model.
single shots will then be severely limited until a defacto ban on all firearms is achieved.
That is the true intent of democrats make no mistake. I can do every bit as much damage with 150 year old single shot and revolver black powder arms... I can penetrate armored glass with a 45-70 better than a modern "assault rifle" round.
There is no way that they can stop at any single type of firearm if they are honest in believing that some firearms are "too dangerous"
When you duck shooters and "democrats for gun rights" figure that out and get angry at the restrictions we will all be a lot better off.
lazs
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lazs is right , the ultimate goal is to ban all guns one step at a time.
i remember when one anti-gun law was passed they said "it was a great FIRST STEP".
in pre WW2 germany the govt asked for all guns to be registered in the interest of safety and law and order (sound familiar), after the nazis came into power the lists fell to them and they just went around and picked up the guns, then they went around and picked up the unarmed people.
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It never ceases to amaze me that folks think it's their obligation to punish many for the acts of a few. If this kind of trend continues we'll need permission to venture outside of our homes as restrictions on moving about are enabled to "protect us from harm." Think of the children we'll save if we just keep them inside and off of the streets! :noid
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well said maverick.. we now think that since we are such socialists that we have an "investment" in everything that each of us does... the expense (taxes) we pay is our excuse to meddle in everyone elses business and take away their rights as individuals.
lazs
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Did any of you look at the proposed legislation before this was final? She (McCathy) did intend there not to be a "grandfater clause". That was quickly quashed though.
My thought on this are that it is still too broad and sweeping and will not survive the legislation process as it stands. That still does not mean that I am not going to voice my opinion regarding this attempt to violate my 2nd Ammendment rights.
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Originally posted by Maverick
It never ceases to amaze me that folks think it's their obligation to punish many for the acts of a few. If this kind of trend continues we'll need permission to venture outside of our homes as restrictions on moving about are enabled to "protect us from harm." Think of the children we'll save if we just keep them inside and off of the streets! :noid
Well said
Geez, you should read the debates between Toad and Beetle on my forums. Beet just things every American is a ticking time bomb with an Uzi
:rofl
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Originally posted by LePaul
Well said
Geez, you should read the debates between Toad and Beetle on my forums. Beet just things every American is a ticking time bomb with an Uzi
:rofl
Don't invoke its name, it may ooze from the sleazy places it hangs out at.
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LePaul,
I learned a long time ago that beetle was a broken record. I don't waste any time with him and am rather glad he's no longer here.
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My weapons will be removed from me by force.. not by law.