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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: AquaShrimp on February 19, 2007, 07:21:23 PM
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I can't believe it. It looks like the U.S. Government is really going to extradite Dog Chapman to Mexico to stand trial. Its such a preposterous situation that I didn't really believe it was going to happen until now. Afterall, Dog was arrested by the Mexican government for capturing a serial rapist who fled from the U.S. into Mexico. And for the U.S. Government to sell-out one of its own citizens like this? I don't know what to make of it.
You know, for years I've heard these slightly 'off' folks saying "The government is going to take our guns, then our education, then our freedom". I always thought "Man, you're nuts. Nothing like that is going to happen." But is that the case? Slowly but surely, just like all these supposed-crazies have been saying, our liberties have been gradually erroded.
For instance, the U.S. has more people in prison than any other country except Russia. And 1 out of every 30 people in the U.S. in an illegal mexican immigrant. Though times have changed, years and years ago, a group of U.S. Navy sailors got drunk and demolished a Mexican town. They were imprisoned by Mexico. What did the U.S. do? They broke them out with force of course. Now whats the U.S. doing? Giving up its own citizens whom have tried to do the right thing, because they broke some paper law!
All I'm saying is this. I can't ethically or morally support actions like this from my own country. Hopefully this is an isolated incident. But most likely not. They say a country crumbles from within. I can definately see why. I guess it really doesn't matter what your skin color is, your religion, or socio-economic background. If someone tries to deprive you of your liberties, they are your enemy. It just so happens that these people are part of our government.
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Same thing goes in Canada, do not go there to grab a skip, a Fla. bondsman got extradited and charged with kidnapping 10-15 years ago.
shamus
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It's almost like GW made a deal with Mexico to let them take us over. I just can't understand the way we treat Mexico.
The two border agents who are rotting in jail is another thing to come to mind. For my own opinion, unless there is a full pardon for those two border agents soon, I will assume that there indeed has been a behind the scenes deal done with Mexico to basically let them do as they please and we will do anything to make them happy.
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Maybe they'll just let him pay a fee, it's one of the possible outcomes I've read about.
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Weren't there some pretty questionable evidence and circumstances in the BC agent case?
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The skip tracer skips out on his own bail and then cries foul when he's called on it. WTF am I missing here? He went to Mexico where he has no license to do the smash and grab thing, commited a crime there knowing full well that what he was going to do was illegal (not that ignorance would be an excuse anyhow) and then fled the country after he made bail.
Is he supposed to get a free pass just cause he has a friggin TV show? Or because he's just so damned cooool? Get a grip. We extradite foreign nationals all the time who have committed crimes in the US and fled, how is this any different? If our government blocks this because a bunch of couch potatoes think Dawg iz the shiznit then do we really expect them (Mexico)to cooperate with us when we want to prosecute a criminal that has fled south?
Don't give me that load of crap about what a hero Chapman is. He's in business...he doesn't do what he does because of his commitment to a better/safer world for all of us, he does it to make money and for the rush of breaking into someones home and possibly roughing them up a bit. If he were such a boy scout he would have reported the rapists location to the Mexican authorites so that they could apprehend him.
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We had a county clerk go over the edge last year. He committed several crimes (sexual abuse of a minor the worst) and evaded arrest by going to Mexico.
This past weekend he was spotted over there by someone who knew him, who reported him to the Mexican police. They arrested his ass, and brought him to the international bridge. 30 minutes later, he was booked into jail here.
This type of cross-border cooperation has always gone on here. It sounds like Dog did something he shouldn't have, given that.
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This sleaze that Dog captured had something like 87 counts against him, right?
Dog even had a Mexican cop WITH HIM at the time of the arrest to be sure that he did nothing illegal.
I say we should just annex mexico now before they do it to us. They have 30 Million plus border jumpers here now... An army with lots of breeding stock. If we do not act soon, more garbage like this will will become the norm.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
This sleaze that Dog captured had something like 87 counts against him, right?
Irrelavent. I'm all for getting rapists off the streets but giving an ex con carte blanche to disregard any law he chooses in order to effect capture of said rapists is an unacceptable solution. The end does not justify any means.
Originally posted by Mr No Name
Dog even had a Mexican cop WITH HIM at the time of the arrest to be sure that he did nothing illegal.
Also irrelavent. If anything this just makes the officer an accessory to the crime. Even if he thought his actions were legal at the time, I'm pretty sure he realized differently after spending some quality time in a Mexican jail. I'm also pretty sure he knew that failure to appear is also illegal. He makes his living catching people who do precisely that.
Originally posted by Mr No Name
I say we should just annex mexico now before they do it to us. They have 30 Million plus border jumpers here now... An army with lots of breeding stock. If we do not act soon, more garbage like this will will become the norm.
Brilliant! And we wonder why people all over the globe hate us. I find this last bit repugnant on so many levels I'm not even sure where to begin. It smacks of ignorance and racism. Read up on the history of Texas and California.
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So, ignore the fact that as far as he knew, he was obeying the law and had a law enforcement officer with him to assure this.... and ignore the fact that he had 87 counts of sex crimes against him... I see... the mexican government and law enforcement is as corrupt as any on earth. it is no mystery, it has been very well documented. they seem to love criminals right down to a cultural level. we are becoming more like them every day when we give a mexican drug smuggler amnesty to testify against border patrol agents who did their job... then we let the guy go again later when he was caught with yet another load of drugs... you approve of this?
as for the last comment... i choose to ignore it... mexico started a war with us and lost that territory.
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what if one of those 87 charges was the result of something that happened to your sister?or mother? although not a huge fan of the show the few times i have seen it, it seems like dog has a passion for what he does and to ensure that the victims receive some type of closure. granted what dog did was against the law, i think our government should be doing more to ensure that no one evades justice. they worked so freaking hard to extradite dog, why can't they be bothered to capture the rapist?
(having no other info than what has been posted here, this is purely speculation, but a hawaiian dude with a bleach blonde mullet could track a repeat felon, why can't our law enforcement find thier bellybutton with both hands?)
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
So, ignore the fact that as far as he knew, he was obeying the law and had a law enforcement officer with him to assure this.... and ignore the fact that he had 87 counts of sex crimes against him... I see...
as for the last comment... i choose to ignore it... mexico started a war with us and lost that territory.
I'm sure Chapman knew he was breaking Mexican law, he had operated in Mexico before.
He was a long way from the border this time and the operation fell apart before he could get him across.
I would rather he not get extradited, but the war on drugs is a lot more important to the government than the life of a US citizen.
shamus
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Originally posted by DblTrubl
Irrelavent. I'm all for getting rapists off the streets but giving an ex con carte blanche to disregard any law he chooses in order to effect capture of said rapists is an unacceptable solution. The end does not justify any means.
I agree. Duane should have read up on Mexican law before he decided to go down there and kidnap someone for TV ratings. It is his profession after all.
Only the US Government is allowed to kidnap people on foreign soil and transport them to far away countries.
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/mariner/20070220.html
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
This sleaze that Dog captured had something like 87 counts against him, right?
Dog even had a Mexican cop WITH HIM at the time of the arrest to be sure that he did nothing illegal.
He was arrested by the Mexican authorities because after he captured Andrew Luster, he refused to hand over Luster to the Mexican federal police. Bounty hunting in Mexico and in quite few other countries is against the law. There are proper procedures to follow when going after criminals in these countries and that is one thing "The Dog" didn't follow, either out of ignorance or ego.
He should have known that state or local police do not have any jurisdiction whatsoever when it comes to federal police matters, which the Luster case was. So having a local cop with him was pointless as the cop didn't have any jurisdiction. Second, when asked he should have immediately turned in Luster to the federal authorities instead of refusing so he could boost his ego and seal the deal on his plans on creating a reality TV show featuring himself.
So if the Dog didn't want to go to a Mexican jail, then he shouldn't have broken any Mexican laws. I have no sympathy for this twit, he got what he deserved and there is no one else to blame but him. If he had followed the rules, he wouldn't be in a Mexican jail. It is really as simple as that.
I say we should just annex mexico now before they do it to us. They have 30 Million plus border jumpers here now... An army with lots of breeding stock. If we do not act soon, more garbage like this will will become the norm. [/B]
I'm not going to bother with that bit of stupidity.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
as for the last comment... i choose to ignore it... mexico started a war with us and lost that territory.
I highly suggest you read up on how the Mexican-US War started. Here's a hint...it wasn't started by Mexico....
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I highly suggest you read up on how the Mexican-US War started. Here's a hint...it wasn't started by Mexico....
ack-ack
I was wondering how long it would take for someone to point that out.
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Originally posted by jhookt
it seems like dog has a passion for what he does and to ensure that the victims receive some type of closure.
I got some ocean front condos in Montana....
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
I can't believe it. It looks like the U.S. Government is really going to extradite Dog Chapman to Mexico to stand trial. Its such a preposterous situation that I didn't really believe it was going to happen until now. Afterall, Dog was arrested by the Mexican government for capturing a serial rapist who fled from the U.S. into Mexico. And for the U.S. Government to sell-out one of its own citizens like this? I don't know what to make of it.
90% (or close a recent stat in the LA Times) of outstanding murder warrants in LA County belong to Mexican citizens... Mexico wont let us have, or go get, some of them because the death penalty would likely apply.
Republicans and democrats are too spineless, and useless, to stand up to Mexico, it might upset the Hispanic vote. What other country in the world would allow armed military incursions on its soil, then instruct border patrol agents to keep "a low profile," to use "cover and concealment" in approaching the Mexican units, to employ "shadows and camouflage" to conceal themselves and to "stay as quiet as possible." Basically a US border patrol agent who sees armed Mexican military must stand down, run like a girl, and hide like a chickenpoop until all crimes have been committed.
So serving up some bounty hunter with a criminal record funnier than his hair cut is a no brainer for any nut-less political hack.
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060117-121930-3169r.htm
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What's with Retards posting something then removing it?
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politicians run this country, they need votes to stay in power, Hispanics have votes, politicians will do anything for votes.
that is why the US has trade with china (communist) and a 50 year trade embargo with cuba (communist).
and a open border with mexico.
our govt has sold us out.
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Ack-Ack, you support jailing an American citizen in a mexican prison because he broke some paper law? Chapman didn't hurt anyone, he simply brought a rapist (someone who did hurt people) to justice.
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I support the jailing of anyone that breaks any law, regardless of what country the law was broken in.
Are you saying that countries should have laws for their citizens and a seperate set of laws just for Americans?
The fact is that "The Dog" knew he was breaking Mexican federal law, he was given a chance to hand over the prisoner but he didn't because he wanted the bounty and the fame. He gambled and lost and now has to pay the price for his hubris. Even his own brotherhood of bounty hunters have sided against him.
ack-ack
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It's on A&E right now, the entire story...
I defend the guy... no jail time for him, at least not in Mexico, bring him back to the states if that is the worst case scenario.
Besides, that Luster piece of crap is looking at 120+ years in prison... was of space! :furious
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what the hell......the dog should have known better....
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
I highly suggest you read up on how the Mexican-US War started. Here's a hint...it wasn't started by Mexico....
ack-ack
Hint: Texas Seceded in 1836, It was an independent nation. Texas was annexed by the US in 1845. Mexico wanted to go to war over the issue... We did it, they lost... End of story.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
Hint: Texas Seceded in 1836, It was an independent nation. Texas was annexed by the US in 1845. Mexico wanted to go to war over the issue... We did it, they lost... End of story.
Bzzzzzzzzt wrong!
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
Hint: Texas Seceded in 1836, It was an independent nation. Texas was annexed by the US in 1845. Mexico wanted to go to war over the issue... We did it, they lost... End of story.
white washing at it's best (pun intended) read up on the texan independance movement, see what you can discover about juan seguin and others like him. the fact is 19th century anglo descendants pretty much stole all of the southwest from another country. these folks from mexico had recently stolen nearly one half of a continent from native Amerinds that inhabited the areas. those folks on the southern border, they are just taking land back, with interest. this post might be skuzzified as there seems to be some intolerance for the facts behind this topic on this board, but what goes around comes around, it's easy to see why folks south of the border might be ok with heading north. also look up the bear flag revolt and educate yourself. that was the pattern all across the southwest commencing in texas.
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I heard a trade was in the process. They are considering taking Beth instead. Much better. Everyone would be happy. The U.S. would be done with her and the Mexicans would have some shade. ;)
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I think we should honor our extradition treaty with Mexico as well as they honor the rest of their treaties and laws.
It took a genius like Chapman a couple of days at most to find the scum. Mexico had no intentions of finding him, they never even tried.
Hell, I'm no fan of Chapman, but I'd refuse to extradite him and tell Mexico to go pound sand, just on general principle. Mexico's dealings with the U.S. are about as stand up and straight forward as North Korea's. Hell, they try to tell us how many of their people we should accept, and we should have a completely open border. And they think we should honor an extradition treaty? Sure, when they stop the drug smuggling and illegal aliens crossing their border with us, and stop letting their "police" and "army" violate our border. In other words, right after Hell freezes over.
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as part of the peace treaty to end the mex-US war the US paid mexico $20 million for the southwest and cal. nobody stole anything.
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Originally posted by SteveBailey
It's almost like GW made a deal with Mexico to let them take us over. I just can't understand the way we treat Mexico.
The two border agents who are rotting in jail is another thing to come to mind. For my own opinion, unless there is a full pardon for those two border agents soon, I will assume that there indeed has been a behind the scenes deal done with Mexico to basically let them do as they please and we will do anything to make them happy.
George W Bush did make a deal with Mexico and the sooner we get that "bastage outa power the better !!!
Also, theirs more than Two patrol agents that have been hung out to dry by Bush and his appointed circle of bastards. Their is another agent in Tenn. that has been set up and framed by the same crank-suckers that did the dirty work in Texas!
http://www.grassfire.org/ (http://www.grassfire.org/)
Anybody that has even the slightest doubt ???
Help yourself to the facts ...instead of the BS that the white house is spoon feeding Americans !
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Originally posted by john9001
as part of the peace treaty to end the mex-US war the US paid mexico $20 million for the southwest and cal. nobody stole anything.
nope. the US offered to forgive a debt owed by mexico for the amount of 4.5 million US$ incurred during the mexican revolution where mexico successfully seceeded from spain. plus an additional 25 then 30 million US$ which mexico was in no position to accept as the mexican gov't was in a state of flux having recently gained independence from spain. mexico vacillated and the U.S. just went in and helped ourselves to the land.
want to discuss turn of the 19th century US policy towards it's hispanic neighbors in central america and the caribbean? can anyone spell canal? sugar refineries?
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Have look at this ....DblTrubl, maybe you will see something that you missed ...
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/deweese091606.htm (http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/deweese091606.htm)
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canal? you mean the Panama canal that the evil USA built at great cost and allowed ships of all nations to use? The canal the employs Panamanians and is now owned by panama? Is that whats bothering you? :cry
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Originally posted by john9001
canal? you mean the Panama canal that the evil USA built at great cost and allowed ships of all nations to use? The canal the employs Panamanians and is now owned by panama? Is that whats bothering you? :cry
no but let's discuss the machiavellian scheme that brought the canal into existence, stealing a whole province from columbia for instance. or did you not read that part as well?
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so your saying it's a bad thing for panama to be independent from Columbia?
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Originally posted by john9001
so your saying it's a bad thing for panama to be independent from Columbia?
no, it seems you are saying that. panama is now an independent state but it could be argued that perhaps they would be much better off as a province of columbia. what I'm saying is that it is just another example of in a long list of examples of our country meddling in the affairs of supposedly sovereign nations. was it good for the world? I reckon so. was it correct to do it in the manner it was done? I think not. are you saying the ends then justify the means?
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Can we do this entire thread in question format, truly?
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Can we?
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Why not?
ack-ack
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are you saying you never have to ask a question because you already know everything?
if the end is good, how can the means be wrong?
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I support the jailing of anyone that breaks any law, regardless of what country the law was broken in.
To believe that laws are just and moral is just hilarious. When you analyze what some of the hundreds of laws were that were completely imoral, it makes you want to start kicking politicians in the face.
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Originally posted by DblTrubl
The skip tracer skips out on his own bail and then cries foul when he's called on it. WTF am I missing here? He went to Mexico where he has no license to do the smash and grab thing, commited a crime there knowing full well that what he was going to do was illegal (not that ignorance would be an excuse anyhow) and then fled the country after he made bail.
Is he supposed to get a free pass just cause he has a friggin TV show? Or because he's just so damned cooool? Get a grip. We extradite foreign nationals all the time who have committed crimes in the US and fled, how is this any different? If our government blocks this because a bunch of couch potatoes think Dawg iz the shiznit then do we really expect them (Mexico)to cooperate with us when we want to prosecute a criminal that has fled south?
Don't give me that load of crap about what a hero Chapman is. He's in business...he doesn't do what he does because of his commitment to a better/safer world for all of us, he does it to make money and for the rush of breaking into someones home and possibly roughing them up a bit. If he were such a boy scout he would have reported the rapists location to the Mexican authorites so that they could apprehend him.
Obviously you have no idea about Mexico's crooked government. Maybe you should try to drive down into Mexico for a little vacation where you can sit on the side of the road as a group of federalies (dressed in wrinkled clothes) strip search your wife in the open in front of your young kids and you. All while drinking your cokes and eating your food from your ice chest. This happened to one of my employees while he was down there a few years ago. He is an american citizen of Mexican decent.
For me.. I say the hunting is good along the border.... where's my 270
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who?
who cares ..
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What we are seeing here guys is what is known as the 'World is Just' hypothesis. In this hypothesis, people want to believe that the World, or at least the United States in this case, is a fair and just place to live. So these people try to find something, anything wrong with the victim, to justify this claim. But in the end, its just a lie to protect their delicate psyches.
Ack-Ack, supporting sending anyone to jail who breaks a law? Thats insane. Everyone knows that there are laws that are unfair and some even unconstituational. Plus every situation is different.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Ack-Ack, supporting sending anyone to jail who breaks a law? Thats insane. Everyone knows that there are laws that are unfair and some even unconstituational. Plus every situation is different.
Heaven forbid I believe that if you break the law, you pay the price.
"The Dog" broke another country's law and he's now going to have to pay the price. It's as simple as that.
ack-ack
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It's Mexico he is a star, why doesnt he just hire a lawyer to pay off the judge and jury?
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Originally posted by CHECKERS
Have look at this ....DblTrubl, maybe you will see something that you missed ...
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/deweese091606.htm (http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/deweese091606.htm)
Never heard of that before. It's alarming if it's true but I'm not sure what that has to do with the extradition of Chapman. Perhaps I'm just too dense to "get it". Maybe you could explain it to me?
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Originally posted by Shuffler
Obviously you have no idea about Mexico's crooked government. Maybe you should try to drive down into Mexico for a little vacation where you can sit on the side of the road as a group of federalies (dressed in wrinkled clothes) strip search your wife in the open in front of your young kids and you. All while drinking your cokes and eating your food from your ice chest. This happened to one of my employees while he was down there a few years ago. He is an american citizen of Mexican decent.
For me.. I say the hunting is good along the border.... where's my 270
I guess not. I've heard stories but no firsthand experience. Based on the stories Mexico would not be high on my list for vacation destinations. The incident you described is atrocious but somehow not that surprising. I can see that happening in many places.
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I may be wrong, but isn't the guy he hunted the heir to Max Factor...does anyone else smell a Kennedy getaway in all of this?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
It's Mexico he is a star, why doesnt he just hire a lawyer to pay off the judge and jury?
New Pres. in Mexico. He is already doing things to try and clean up their image. In this case since dog has already got the media attention the Mexican Govt. is not likely to do a sleaze act on TV.
Now they may do a plea bargain but it depends on how sensitve the prosecution is going to be about not looking weak in gringos.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
To believe that laws are just and moral is just hilarious. When you analyze what some of the hundreds of laws were that were completely imoral, it makes you want to start kicking politicians in the face.
I just realized this morning , while taking everything from one pair of jeans and putting them in another, that I spent the entire day yesterday carrying a pair of wire cutters in my back pocket....................... .and I live in Texas.
Should I turn myself in now or wait until they come for me? :D
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
To believe that laws are just and moral is just hilarious. When you analyze what some of the hundreds of laws were that were completely imoral, it makes you want to start kicking politicians in the face.
When did I say all laws were moral and just? I just pointed out that he broke the law and now he's going to pay the price. He knew what he did was against the law but his ego got in the way.
Now, if the shoe was on the other foot and it had happened in this country, i don't think you'd be screaming for us to let off the Mexican bounty hunter. You'd be screaming for his head.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Now, if the shoe was on the other foot and it had happened in this country, i don't think you'd be screaming for us to let off the Mexican bounty hunter. You'd be screaming for his head.
ack-ack
If the shoe was on the other foot?
Ok, so if there was a mexican rapist that escaped across the border, and into this country, then some mexican bounty hunter snuck in here to bring him back?
I'd buy the mexican bounty hunter a beer, and tell him to run for el presidente over there.