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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Sandman on February 20, 2007, 01:01:23 AM
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http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7489290
I don't get it... in an age where a company like ClearChannel can own such a large percentage of radio stations, how can there be an anti-trust issue if XM and Sirius merge?
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probably because there would be no other competing satellite carrier.
even though clearchannel owns alot, there are independent stations out there, 1 really good one here in Milwaukee.
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I don't think the signal source should be relevant.
It may be sophisticated, but it's still just a radio.
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I wouldn't call it the "signal source" only because it is more than that.
you would not be able to receive anything other than their programming with a "satellite" radio, there is the antitrust.
if you were able to get another providers signal then it would not be an issue.
it's kind of like TV, you can get multiple satellite types, cable, and plain over the air, but a choice of what to pay for or not to pay for.
personally though I'd say time warner has more of a monopoly on "pay" TV and a bigger issue than satellite radio, but that will never change I have come to believe.
anyway, back to the topic at hand, yes our society has gotten "used" to paying for content, and it is a new type of situation with "pay" radio (and personally I can't see paying for radio ever) but I have to say, there needs to be some sort of competition in the market, or it might as well be like the BBC
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I do not like the idea of a merger. New subscriptions to XM are higher than Sirius because of XMs larger amount of programming channels. Sirius just wants this to prop up its' huge expense (Stern) using XM revenues.
Competition is always best for the customer, when that ceases to exist all of the subscribers to both networks will get screwed.
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no they won't get screwed, someone else will saddle up a new venture.
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Originally posted by Mr No Name
I do not like the idea of a merger. New subscriptions to XM are higher than Sirius because of XMs larger amount of programming channels. Sirius just wants this to prop up its' huge expense (Stern) using XM revenues.
Competition is always best for the customer, when that ceases to exist all of the subscribers to both networks will get screwed.
Everyone fears monopolies like the coming of an Anti-Christ. Even monopolies are subject to the laws of supply and demand.
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Unless your a trucker or otherwise spent ALOT of time on the road.
I dont see why anyone would be willing to pay for radio
Howard Stern is yesterdays news. I've heard him on Sirius. and he still isnt as good as he was 20 years ago. Not even close.
Music. You can get online.
I just dont see why anyone would pay extra for radio other then to be able to say they have the latest gadget
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I like the convenience of XM. I have separate receivers installed in three vehicles plus I pay for my dad's. I don't like hassling with MP3 players and since I don't steal stuff, even intellectual property for me XM is the best thing going.
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I would only do it in a situation where I was constantly on the road like my dad. He drives all over the southeast doing construction and there are when he wants to listen to something other than whatever local crap channel there might be out there. I still can't understand why my sister has it and she only drives 20 minutes in Tampa to work one way and then does nothing when she gets home.
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What will happen is every one will start listening to XM and radios will no longer be made. Then the government will seize control of all communications. Sense radios will no longer be made the masses won't be able to hear radio free programs that broadcast the truth.
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Originally posted by Xargos
What will happen is every one will start listening to XM and radios will no longer be made. Then the government will seize control of all communications. Sense radios will no longer be made the masses won't be able to hear radio free programs that broadcast the truth.
not a chance, there will always people too broke to even pay attention, let alone pay for radio.
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Yeah. If I didn't listen to my CD's as much I'd go in for Satellite Radio. The radio stations around me suck.
For example, the stations love to talk about 40 minutes of non-stop rock. But half the time during the block of non-stop music they are playing sound bites telling you that you are listening to non-stop music. I'd be surprised if they got in 20 minutes worth of music an hour.
That's not even mentioning the talk radio they do over the times that I'd likely be listening to the radio (rush hour, lunch...). It's just a room full of handsomehunkes with a collective IQ of about 50 talking about the stupidest stuff and laughing at their own idiotic prowess half the time.
THIS IS WHY REGULAR RADIO IS FAILING.
Then you have to take into consideration how little new music they play. I was listening the other night to the radio to try to get to sleep. For three songs they claimed that this was the newest from So-And-So, but each song was at least 4-5 months old and definately not the newest song from them.
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2007 was to be the year that Sirus and XM finally turned a profit. I figured if they were going to merge they would have done it a long time ago. Not sure why they are doing it now.
I think along with satellite radio you will see a decrease in the number of radio stations because of HDRadio. Radio stations are now able to broadcast 3 stations on one frequency. The cost savings in licensing and transmitting are huge. ClearChannel is pushing this hard and I bet they start to consolidate different frequencies soon.
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I just hope this won't mean more commercials....XM already has too many and they only play maybe 1 per 30mins. "Beyond AM. Beyond FM....XM" yah I know ya tards! Thats why I subscribe I'm not the one you should be advertising to!
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I think they are required to do station identification by the nanny feds
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We finally got a new rock station here in town that was great for its first two months on air. THEN they decided to add Lex & Terry in the morning when I and many thousands of other radio rock heads loved listening to just MUSIC on the drive to the office. What amazes me is that less than 4 years ago Lex & Terry failed in the Birmingham, AL market because they go head -to-head with sports talk in the morning and some other dweeb shows like Rick & Bubba and John Boy & Billy. In our town sports talk dominates the radio in the morning and evening drive times.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Then you have to take into consideration how little new music they play. I was listening the other night to the radio to try to get to sleep. For three songs they claimed that this was the newest from So-And-So, but each song was at least 4-5 months old and definately not the newest song from them.
Hmmm... seems to me that most artists don't put out more than one album every three to five years.
I remember in the seventies when the norm was one or two albums per year.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Unless your a trucker or otherwise spent ALOT of time on the road.
I dont see why anyone would be willing to pay for radio
Howard Stern is yesterdays news. I've heard him on Sirius. and he still isnt as good as he was 20 years ago. Not even close.
Music. You can get online.
I just dont see why anyone would pay extra for radio other then to be able to say they have the latest gadget
I dont think you could be more wrong. Howard is better than ever not to mention all the other content you get. Sirius is worth every penny even if it was just music.
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Oh yeah... Dred was dead wrong.
Stern was NEVER worth listening to... not ever.
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:cry
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Stern is yesterday
Today is O&A
(http://www.liberator.com/images/press_release/opieanthony.jpg)
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Been an XM subscriber since the beginning, seems weird that Sirius is gona be the nmae, when XM stock is worth 2-3 times what Sirius stock is going for. As long as O&A and Ron & Fez are still on, it's all good.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Hmmm... seems to me that most artists don't put out more than one album every three to five years.
I remember in the seventies when the norm was one or two albums per year.
It doesn't have anything to do with the amount of music they are putting out. I'm hearing the same music I heard on the radio when I first really started listening.
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Originally posted by RightF00T
I just hope this won't mean more commercials....XM already has too many and they only play maybe 1 per 30mins. "Beyond AM. Beyond FM....XM" yah I know ya tards! Thats why I subscribe I'm not the one you should be advertising to!
I thought one of the big things about these "radios" was they were commercial free?
Screw dat
And why would they have advertising for satalite radio. ON satalite radio?
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Originally posted by Slash27
I dont think you could be more wrong. Howard is better than ever not to mention all the other content you get. Sirius is worth every penny even if it was just music.
Now way. I remember Howard when he first moved to NY from CD and was on WNBC. Then moved to KRock
when nobody outside of those areas had ever even heard of him let alone anyone like him
He was ground breaking
It was like they said in the movie.
the people that liked him listened cause they wanted to hear what he was gonna say next.
the people that hated him listend...
Cause they wanted to hear what he would say next
Howard ws great back then cause he was doing stuff nobody ever dared do before.
Now there's 1000 howards on the air. His stuff just isnt fresh anymore
Some stuff is pretty funny yea. Like the recent clip I saw when he had something like a 78 year old lady sitting on a sybian.
But the time between the time he is great and only ok is miles wide anymore
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I dont know many people that would say different, laser...
I think there is a direct correlation between the concentration of ownership (Telecomm Act of 1996 anyone?) and **** the general public is fed over the airwaves.
Radio stations today are noise. The NAB claim that since 1996 listeners have much more music/news and overall content from which to choose. News departments serve multiple local stations in and even outside relevant markets. Because these departments serve a larger number of stations, it can be said that, overall, less news being produced. So yeah, we see many new pipelines with loads of content... whoopie-dink, but the same crap merely blares at a higher volume.
The diarhea sprays evenly across the airwaves. And after the lemmings are all fed from the same toilet, they go on to praise their masters for a wonderful meal.
When my MP3 player dies I cannot go a single day without hearing Girl's Got Rhythm by AC/DC on one of three local rock stations. That band is ruined for me, I soil myself every time it plays. :(
The ClearChannelization of the States (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/05/29/clear_channelization_of_america/)
Neat PBS timeline of media regulation (http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/mediatimeline.html#)
- Good overview with detailed links on many important dates. Check out the link at october 3rd, 2003 to see who's at the top of the anal spew chain.
Information regarding media consolidation and other stuff (http://www.iwantmedia.com/consolidation.html)
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I'm all for a monopoly. If anyone opposed wants in on the game, they should successfully create something worth switching to.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Now way. I remember Howard when he first moved to NY from CD and was on WNBC. Then moved to KRock
when nobody outside of those areas had ever even heard of him let alone anyone like him
He was ground breaking
It was like they said in the movie.
the people that liked him listened cause they wanted to hear what he was gonna say next.
the people that hated him listend...
Cause they wanted to hear what he would say next
Howard ws great back then cause he was doing stuff nobody ever dared do before.
Now there's 1000 howards on the air. His stuff just isnt fresh anymore
Some stuff is pretty funny yea. Like the recent clip I saw when he had something like a 78 year old lady sitting on a sybian.
But the time between the time he is great and only ok is miles wide anymore
Ive been a fan since '92 and for me, its the best its ever been. I do see where you are coming from but I love it.
Sirius music is commercial free. The talk channels are not. That said the breaks on the Stern show are very short and few between.
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Late sixties people might like the live365 website and searching for Radio Vietnam.
It repeats daily and there are a few commercials but it's pretty good and it's free. You can subscribe and get no commercials but I haven't seen the need.
I don't listen every day but I tune in now and then.
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I just did the drive from here to Tempe across the Mojave and I thought XM was the shiznit.
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Originally posted by Slash27
Ive been a fan since '92 and for me, its the best its ever been. I do see where you are coming from but I love it.
Sirius music is commercial free. The talk channels are not. That said the breaks on the Stern show are very short and few between.
Was a fan of Sterns since the 80's, butt bongo feista and such, channel 9 local TV had his TV show on. He was great until he got to K-Rock 92.3.
Then it became all self serving to Howard, nothing but naked lesbians and strippers, well ya can't see it on the radio. So how entertaining is that.
When i first heard Opie and Anthony with jim Norton, I thought this was how Howard used to be.
Now Howard is about Howard, he invented everything boohoo hoo ain't right Robin.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Oh yeah... Dred was dead wrong.
Stern was NEVER worth listening to... not ever.
:aok
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I wonder if there will end up being a common receiver system or if both brands will just get the same programming.
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I'll bet they go to everyone needing new receivers.
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It is not like the subscription fees are very much, just a few dollars a month. Pocket change for most.
I have it for a few reasons. One, I commute maybe 35-40 minutes each day & go through an area where you can not get good radio reception. Also, normal radio has 35% commercials. If I broke it down to how much I paid per hour, it can't be very much.
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I figured it was a matter of time before they merged. One had this performer, another had this one...its kinda like buying game consoles! Having two stations may make the anti-monopoly people feel at ease....but Id hate to subscribe to one service, only to find out there's some programming you'd like the other offers.
Seems to be the consumer will win just based on the windfall of selections.