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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: midnight Target on February 20, 2007, 08:23:00 AM
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It would seem to me that there should be a special place in the deepest darkest bowels of Hades for people who lie about doing heroic deeds.
My ex-brother-in-law is a prime example.
His wife had a collection of hats from Indonesia from her 1 year stint there as a missionary. They were displayed on her wall and were very nice. He insisted to her that she get rid of them. They were a horrible reminder of his days in the "nam". She complied and discarded the whole collection.
It turned out that the guy didn't even make it through basic. He was discharged for medical reasons and never served a day.
I have always been one of those guys who choke up at missing man fly-bys and all such tributes. I would love to be able to personally thank everyone who has truly served and paid the price physically or mentally or even just in time lost that could have been spent as a wayward youth.
Unfortunately there are just too many wannabes and outright liars in the world, and especially on the Internet. No one wants to be the fool suckered in by a good story or a fantasy hero.
Lieing reduces the number of expressions of gratitude some people truly deserve.
And that is the real sin.
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agreed.. the sin is against those who really do the hard work. My boss is that way.. he had a few skin cancer thingies removed.. no big deal.. lot's of people in my family of scottish immigrants have to have it done but.... He calls himself a "5 time cancer survivor" this is disgusting in light of what a real cancer survivor often has to go through..
He is also a vietnam vet.. he was talking about how important a good supply sarge is when being shot at... He is 51 years old and was an officer in the Navy.. he went to 2 or 3 years of college before he got into the navy... I am not sure who was shooting at him in 76 or 77... With his personality tho it could be anyone.
lazs
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bummer that your sister-in-law had to endure a person like that.
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Originally posted by lazs2
agreed.. the sin is against those who really do the hard work. My boss is that way.. he had a few skin cancer thingies removed.. no big deal.. lot's of people in my family of scottish immigrants have to have it done but.... He calls himself a "5 time cancer survivor" this is disgusting in light of what a real cancer survivor often has to go through..
He is also a vietnam vet.. he was talking about how important a good supply sarge is when being shot at... He is 51 years old and was an officer in the Navy.. he went to 2 or 3 years of college before he got into the navy... I am not sure who was shooting at him in 76 or 77... With his personality tho it could be anyone.
lazs
in '76-'77? the only shootings going were craps in the voids on duty evenings, perhaps whether or not he was standing watches. :D
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Originally posted by Bodhi
bummer that your sister-in-law had to endure a person like that.
It's OK, I had to endure her sister for 10 years. It was an even trade.
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So I take it that you despise Kerry, MT?
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I believe that is covered under #9 ...
you know those "old" rules everyone on your side of the line wants out of their lives these days???..
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Bit of black humour here, The Internet is a 2 edged sword, The hardest and possbily cruelest thing any has ever done to me involved my first wife.
You know when in your a relationship going south and it's not long before you have the "chat" and then it's a trip to the attorneys and then your in a motel or an apartment till the dust settles?
Well, she cleared the place out, left 3 black bags of mine on the floor, even took the mirrors on the wall, hangers, you name it., Didn't really care about the furniture or any crap like that. But I had 3 photo albums of my time in the service, I had a 8 x 11 wrtitten note from all the guys I had done some time with hanging up and some loose pics hanging around that I'd look at from time to time- gone- the F$$$$g lot of them, I didn't care about the 3 black bags left, or anything else that was missing, I just wanted them back.
Anyway, scroll forwards a few months, the "friend" she had met online turned out to be some F$$$g waster and so tried crawling back, Took great delight in telling her what I thought of that idea, Didn't make up for the missing pics but made me feel like some sort of justice had been served.
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Maybe I was too subtle.
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This one time at band camp? I took a flute and...
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Originally posted by lazs2
agreed.. the sin is against those who really do the hard work. My boss is that way.. he had a few skin cancer thingies removed.. no big deal.. lot's of people in my family of scottish immigrants have to have it done but.... He calls himself a "5 time cancer survivor" this is disgusting in light of what a real cancer survivor often has to go through..
He is also a vietnam vet.. he was talking about how important a good supply sarge is when being shot at... He is 51 years old and was an officer in the Navy.. he went to 2 or 3 years of college before he got into the navy... I am not sure who was shooting at him in 76 or 77... With his personality tho it could be anyone.
lazs
There was a guy in the bar at the hyatt in Frisco on sat night, I went down for a few drinks as the wife was clogging up the room wuth Harispray and all the rest, you know how that works your ready in 10 mins and they take hours, Anyway, guys got some decent looking chick next to him at the bar, lines such as " just finished special training for Iraq, Sniper" thigs like this were coming out, seemed to be working for him as her eyes were lighting up and the hands started to get closer etc, I've always wondered why these guys go down the sniper, special training, fighter pilot route?
Anyway, he must have got lucky as they both took off shortly without finishing their drinks, so who knows?
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I hear you MT. It reminds me of the time ...
I had been arrested two weeks before for obstructing logging in the Huichol's ancestral hunting grounds. I had taken a leave of absence from my regular job because, as my girlfriend at the time, Nicole Kidman, pointed out, I could do more good there than as starting point guard for the Lakers.
It was hot in that Mexican jail.
Damned hot.
The kind of heat that sneaks up behind you and throttles you in manner very similar to that employed by my cell-mate Fernando as he fumbled at his belt while hissing dark Spanish threats into my ear. I think he was warning me not to shout out for the guards, something that I would never do as our personal morality should never be forced on others. Then the pain came. I gritted my teeth and forced back the tears (or was it snot?). Homophobia is wrong, I told myself……
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Originally posted by Hawco
Bit of black humour here, The Internet is a 2 edged sword, The hardest and possbily cruelest thing any has ever done to me involved my first wife.
You know when in your a relationship going south and it's not long before you have the "chat" and then it's a trip to the attorneys and then your in a motel or an apartment till the dust settles?
Well, she cleared the place out, left 3 black bags of mine on the floor, even took the mirrors on the wall, hangers, you name it., Didn't really care about the furniture or any crap like that. But I had 3 photo albums of my time in the service, I had a 8 x 11 wrtitten note from all the guys I had done some time with hanging up and some loose pics hanging around that I'd look at from time to time- gone- the F$$$$g lot of them, I didn't care about the 3 black bags left, or anything else that was missing, I just wanted them back.
Anyway, scroll forwards a few months, the "friend" she had met online turned out to be some F$$$g waster and so tried crawling back, Took great delight in telling her what I thought of that idea, Didn't make up for the missing pics but made me feel like some sort of justice had been served.
Both of my dad's wives did that to him. He lost a lot of his medals (clean plate club, vietnam service, biggest smile in attention) when his first wife cleaned him out. However she also took all of his father's medals which were actual medals from WW2 and some amazing service. Stuff like bronze stars with clusters and I believe one silver star. That pissed him off so much.
Then during his second marriage (my mother) at the end of it a lot of valuable stuff "dissapeared" during the divorce. His mother's jewelry, valuable paintings...
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Originally posted by myelo
I hear you MT. It reminds me of the time ...
I had been arrested two weeks before for obstructing logging in the Huichol's ancestral hunting grounds. I had taken a leave of absence from my regular job because, as my girlfriend at the time, Nicole Kidman, pointed out, I could do more good there than as starting point guard for the Lakers.
It was hot in that Mexican jail.
Damned hot.
The kind of heat that sneaks up behind you and throttles you in manner very similar to that employed by my cell-mate Fernando as he fumbled at his belt while hissing dark Spanish threats into my ear. I think he was warning me not to shout out for the guards, something that I would never do as our personal morality should never be forced on others. Then the pain came. I gritted my teeth and forced back the tears (or was it snot?). Homophobia is wrong, I told myself……
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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I don't know. I like the internet. I meet all kinds of interesting and unique people.
Hell, one time I met a sniper here.
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If you've been in the military, it's even worse. 75% of the stories you hear in the military are BS, but fun to listen to and you don't care. Once you get out and people are trying the same BS to woo people into sympathy it's downright pathetic.
It's gotten to the point that you know someone is lieing about their military service if they're telling you anything about it. Most people that have been in it, don't talk about it. Most people that do talk about it in this kind of public forum haven't.
Yes... I'm speaking to those that in their first post in the AH O'Club have mentioned their combat injury... Hell... in their first 3 posts in the AH O'Club. It's disgusting.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Maybe I was too subtle.
heh
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Originally posted by Mini D
If you've been in the military, it's even worse. 75% of the stories you hear in the military are BS, but fun to listen to and you don't care. Once you get out and people are trying the same BS to woo people into sympathy it's downright pathetic.
It's gotten to the point that you know someone is lieing about their military service if they're telling you anything about it. Most people that have been in it, don't talk about it. Most people that do talk about it in this kind of public forum haven't.
Yes... I'm speaking to those that in their first post in the AH O'Club have mentioned their combat injury... Hell... in their first 3 posts in the AH O'Club. It's disgusting.
Name them, I want to know who you are talking about
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Maybe I was too subtle.
Well...maybe.
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Originally posted by Mini D
If you've been in the military, it's even worse. 75% of the stories you hear in the military are BS, but fun to listen to and you don't care. Once you get out and people are trying the same BS to woo people into sympathy it's downright pathetic.
It's gotten to the point that you know someone is lieing about their military service if they're telling you anything about it. Most people that have been in it, don't talk about it. Most people that do talk about it in this kind of public forum haven't.
Yes... I'm speaking to those that in their first post in the AH O'Club have mentioned their combat injury... Hell... in their first 3 posts in the AH O'Club. It's disgusting.
So let me get this straight. 75% of People who have been in the military are pathological liars about their military service? Where is your 'proof' of that.
As a 21 year Army Veteran I find that more than just a little insulting. Maybe you are considering me one of the 25% but that means you are calling three out of four of my best friends liars.
So I guess 75% of Pearl Harbor survivors are pathological liars. I suppose that using your assessement that either my Grandfather (served aboard the USS Lexington) or my wife's Grandfatehr (served aboard the California) were probably liars about their military service. Maybe it was my father, or three uncles who served in Vietnam. Maybe my great uncle, who died in 1944 when his P-51 disappeared somewhere over France. Maybe a good friend of mine who lost his leg over Regensberg. Or maybe several good friends of mine who are still rehabbing from the injuries they sustained from roadside bombs and ambushes in Iraq two years ago. I guess my best friend here, a former MI NCO who spent two years in Iraq and Afghanistan is a pathological liar.
My service record is benign IMHO. I wasn't some outstanding hero although I suppose I have some interesting stories. Yeah, I have been in combat zones, yes I have been shot at. Nothing bad happened to me and to be honest, I don't have any real gruesome stories. Well, nothing that I think anyone here really needs to hear about.
Yes, there are posers out there. There are guys that spent 2 years as a cook in the Army only to go hog wild at the PX on their way home to make themselves out to be some big hero.
However you make a statement saying 75% of the people who have been in the military make stuff up. YOu are calling 75% of military vets liars about their military service. To be honest, you think that 75% lie about their record. You have no proof.
And I don't really care what you think....
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I don't think that's what he meant. I believe his point was that many times people who carry on about what they did in the service (not telling their story, but polishing thier own ego) they are lying. Or greatly exagerating.
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Originally posted by Dune
I don't think that's what he meant. I believe his point was that many times people who carry on about what they did in the service (not telling their story, but polishing thier own ego) they are lying. Or greatly exagerating.
Well lets all F%%%G name them then
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That's a strange dichotomy.
The part where you get upset and then say that you don't care. Yeah, that part right there.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
It turned out that the guy didn't even make it through basic. He was discharged for medical reasons and never served a day.
One day while on a traffic stop a car stops behind us, a dude gets out and IDs himself as an "off duty deputy sheriff" asking us if we needed help... which is kinda cheesy thing to do, but we chat with the guy anyway and hes got the cop lingo down. He did show us his badge and ID, briefly.
A day later he shows up at our lobby asking if he can go on a ride along, he tells out Sgt hes a deputy who knows us and wants to apply, Sgt schedules him for the next day... which luckily was my day off.
Next day he shows to ride along wearing a Sheriffs raid jacket, Sam Browne.. all the usual gear except he was carrying his "Dept issued" S&W .9mm, LASD issues Beretta's.. but still no big deal. He happened to be riding with a partner of mine who also went to the LASD academy.
About 5 hours into the shift my partner is starting to wonder about the guy, his description of the Sheriffs academy was way off, and he couldn't name his "ram-rod" (AKA Senior DI) or any of his class mates... checking his drivers license number it wasn't registered "confidential", as 99% of cops have.
So the guys at my dept, embarrassed as hell, end up taking this guy down and arresting him after hed been patrolling, armed, in a police uniform with 1 of our officers for 6 hours.
His entire family floods our lobby demanding to know why we arrested their Deputy Sheriff son / fiancee / brother, an LASD Lt shows up too wondering if we have one of his... nope, just an extreme wanna-be. When the LASD Lt told them without a doubt hes not a Deputy, "its a mistake", "he works Carson homicide!!" they insisted. "Uh, Carson station doesn't have Homicide" said the Lt.
Dude had his entire family and all his friends convinced he was a Sheriffs deputy, he pretended to go to work every day claiming he was investigating murders, getting in shootings, car chases.. when in reality he was a dopey security guard for some yahoo company, he had applied to 10 different depts and failed every psych test.
Edit:
After papering his house we found Deputy uniforms, police gear of all kinds, a stolen LAPD rover.. it also turns out one of his hobbies was to drive his wanna-be crown Vic around pulling people over.
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I've gotten pretty fedup with this speculation as to who was or wasn't there or served or whatever. So ok..let's compare notes shall we?
1. What is the purpose of a butterfly knot when constructing a one-rope bridge?
2. What is the difference between a PRC-77 and a PRR-9?
3. What is a KY-38? Why does it have a "gun"?
4. When does an NCO have command authority over an Officer?
5. Anyone that was ever in-country remembers "The Dap". What is it?
6. What is a STABO rig? Where is is used?
7. What is a Fulton Recovery System?
8. A Special Forces team has a specific MOS of O5B2S. What is his expertise?
I have the answers if anyone wishes to ask.
Now you can fame me IF you think I not on the level!
:mad:
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Don't throw the baby out with the bath water MiniD.
Having said that I have no doubt some wannabees toss out a smoke screen and puff out their chests.
We have many vets in the Mongrels and not just a couple combat vets. Their time served and injuries are quite real. Off the top of my head, TeeeRex, Vaderr, TCE2506, Maddog, Hawco, Wklink, Docdog, Sarge, Argyle, Harppa, HeavyH, Rowdy1, TANK, ASAdog, and others I may have missed have all served. LOL I would have to look at our roster, but I can't help but wonder if we have more vets than not. Never occurred to me before. Anyway...
Don't let a few imposter's whose complete lack of character cloud your view of the real thing.
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Originally posted by Yknurd
I don't know. I like the internet. I meet all kinds of interesting and unique people.
Hell, one time I met a sniper here.
And a guy that made his own game back in the '90s, a guy who's dad owned and flew a B-17 and we can't forget our most recent guest, the guy that was shot 5 times and returned fire while grievously wounded, killing two of the bad guys.
Yes, only on the Intardnet can you meet such fascinating retards.
ack-ack
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Was his name Dwight Schrute?
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Originally posted by Hawco
Well lets all F%%%G name them then
You have taken leave of your senses to post the PTSD group-grope on these boards. The best thing you can do right now is back away as gracefully as possible.
to remove the doubt about Hawco's authenticity. My apologies Hawco, you are who you say you are.
asw
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
After papering his house
Well damn, that was mighty big of you considering he took advantage of your department. Floral or stripes?
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Cloud patterns, actually.
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Originally posted by CpMorgan
I've gotten pretty fedup with this speculation as to who was or wasn't there or served or whatever. So ok..let's compare notes shall we?
...blah, blah, blah...
I have the answers if anyone wishes to ask.
Now you can fame me IF you think I not on the level!
:mad:
the answers to any/all of those questions do nothing to prove any of your claims. kind of sad, really, that you think it would.
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I find it interesting that anyone would feel the need to try to boost his manhood on an internet message board.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
I'm not sure what inspired you to call BS on Hawco, but I for one, as a squadmate and a friend, will back him up and I know 30 more who will as well. Especially when he was simply looking for some advice.
d0gma
Got a PM on exactly this subject. I have edited my post.
asw
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Originally posted by detch01
Either you are who you say you are and you took leave of your senses to post the PTSD group-grope on these boards or you're a poser wannabe in serious need of help. Either way the best thing you can do right now is back away as gracefully as possible.
asw [/QUOTGrope grpoup- ****ing retard ban me from this bbs couldn't give a **** after reading that BS who you think you are you ****ing pos?
Took leave of my senses how? **** you, call HT and ****ing ban me
Poser wannabe? **** you
Don't botherr editing out anything I have to say.
**** the lot of you, justifying myself to you ****ing lot, what the **** for?
anything out of my posts, this my last one in here, ****ing poser
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This thread had no business being started and if everyone would have just let it go, then it could have died the death it should have.