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Title: Offset Guns
Post by: DREDger on February 22, 2007, 09:47:09 AM

I read somewhere about German planes having offset guns, as opposed to shooting straight in front, they would fire upwards and forward.

The fighter interceptors would fly under the lancs lets say, then fire their guns.

Not sure if this has been discussed or not?  Might be cool, I guess until you needed the forward firing, then u'd be sol.

Title: Offset Guns
Post by: Lusche on February 22, 2007, 10:07:32 AM

That's the Schraege Musik installation wich was used in a number of nightfighters.

(http://www.luftwaffe39-45.historia.nom.br/aero/he219_9.jpg)

That guns did not replace any forward firing guns.

Title: Offset Guns
Post by: DREDger on February 22, 2007, 10:20:22 AM

^  Wow...what he said.

Title: Offset Guns
Post by: frank3 on February 22, 2007, 10:57:58 AM

Yep, Schräge Musik has been applied on many different planes

Also it has been discussed alot, but I doubt we'll see it any time soon

Title: Offset Guns
Post by: Saxman on February 22, 2007, 11:12:19 AM

Japan's Gekko night fighter did the same thing.

Title: Offset Guns
Post by: BaldEagl on February 22, 2007, 11:15:26 AM

Not sure if these were the same guns or a variation but they were installed in the ME163 wing-roots pointing up and were triggered by the shadow of a bomber passing over the 163.  Was just reading about that last week.

Title: Offset Guns
Post by: Wizkid on February 22, 2007, 11:52:36 AM

@ DREDger

Look at this here:
sorry, the image did not come out, but if you select the following link

http://www.luftarchiv.de/bordgerate/radar.htm  (http://www.luftarchiv.de/bordgerate/radar.htm )
Select: Bordausrüstung
And: Bordwaffen II
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1076_1172170504_schraege_musik_copy.gif)
That archive is quite valuable for answers to similar questions

The system you are referring to was called "schräge Musik" (German) or "oblique music" (approx. translation)


Edit: Correction of links

Title: Offset Guns
Post by: tedrbr on February 22, 2007, 12:23:13 PM

Similar was done to some Japanese fighters to try and counter Allied bombers, but they were not too effective.

Title: Offset Guns
Post by: frank3 on February 22, 2007, 12:32:48 PM

I reckon the Schräge Musik would be VERY effective against British bombers, having nothing to shoot downwards with (The 110 could just hang below it)

The problem is finding the bombers in the night first ;)
Perhaps radar is the next thing on our list :D

Title: Offset Guns
Post by: Benny Moore on February 22, 2007, 03:31:07 PM

It's modelled in the mediocre IL-2 series.  It's very difficult to do, as the aircraft is flying perpendicular to the gunsight.  It's very much like being a waist gunner.

Title: Offset Guns
Post by: Xasthur on February 23, 2007, 03:44:13 AM

What about a 110 with the upward-firing MK 108?