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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 68slayr on February 22, 2007, 11:06:14 PM
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I was wondering if you could kill a pnzr with the rockets on the P47? If so how? i've never been able to do it and i have had rockets shot at me many times and never died. (i was watching a countryman die from the rockets).
I had always heard the American rockets can't kill a tank...only track it......anyone else killed a pnzr with rockets?
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Originally posted by 68slayr
I was wondering if you could kill a pnzr with the rockets on the P47? If so how? i've never been able to do it and i have had rockets shot at me many times and never died. (i was watching a countryman die from the rockets).
I had always heard the American rockets can't kill a tank...only track it......anyone else killed a pnzr with rockets?
Use the Pb1 rockets on the Fw190F8. They can even kill a tiger with 1 shot. The other problem with rockets killing tanks is that the tracks can absorb ALOT of damage (per pyro's post on killing tanks), so even if a guy bombs and kills the tank, the guy who put a few rockets into the tank gets the official kill.
The only rocket we have that has a real HEAT (High Explosive Anti Tank) warhead is the Pb1. The rest are variations of standard high explosive warheads.
My take on it anyway :)
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Pacerr killed my tiger with 6 f6f rockets...........
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You have to put them on the tank, I think there is a sweet spot. Someone posted on it a couple of years ago!
:aok
Mark
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If they HIT there's a very good chance they'll kill. Problem is 99% of the time you can't hit with 'em.
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Originally posted by zorstorer
The only rocket we have that has a real HEAT (High Explosive Anti Tank) warhead is the Pb1. The rest are variations of standard high explosive warheads.
My take on it anyway :)
Thought the IL2's were anti-armor?
Bronk
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Also a reason we should have the 60lb rockets that the Mossie and Tiffy used, instead of the piffly 'generic' ones they have now.
Maybe when they eventually get re-modelled?
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I don't know about allied rockets but Zorstorer is correct about the Pb1 rockets carried by the FW190 F8. When attacking with these, try to use as shallow an angle of attack as possible, even flat horizontal flight if possible. These rockets drop off mush quicker than the allied ones, and you want to be right up close and personal when you let them fly. Use . salvo 2 for your drop rate. One or two hits is all you need to take out any vehicle in the game.
Good Hunting. (unless hunting me, than I hope you auger. :D )
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I've knocked out turrets with rockets, and I know the rox on the il2 and 190 can kill a tank, but I've only had success coming in at a relatively steep angle, and I would guess that my accuracy vs vehicles is about... oh, I'd say .01%.
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Hubs,
Try the shallow angle attack I mentioned. I'm no ground attack expert for sure, but I have had beter success when letting my rockets go parrallel to the ground. When I have managed a hit from a steep angle, I usually get a turret destroyed at best.
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I killed a tiger once with a 4 rocket salvo from a P-38. If I remember right I was shootin straight down on it.
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Originally posted by Deth7
I killed a tiger once with a 4 rocket salvo from a P-38. If I remember right I was shootin straight down on it.
Not to say you didn't deserve the kill but the Tiger may have taken previous hit damage from others bombing him? I know at best my Tiger has only been "tracked" by rockets (When not previously hit from any other ord) . That's not to say it can't be done, but as much time as I spend in a tiger I have yet to be killed with rockets unless I had taken a lot of damage (and who can really gage how much damage you take) from close bombing.
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Bahh rocket dweebs.
Much more fun to use teh hurri IID.:D
Bronk
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Tigers most certainly can be killed with rockets alone. Vanscrew
bombed my Tiger the the other day, and I rocketed his on the next sortie. No previous hits before my rockets sent him to the tower. Have been killed in my tiger as well by enemy F8 rockets with no prior hits or damage.
It's actually been my experiance that Tigers die easier than Panzers with the rockets from an F8. Can't explain this, just been my experience.
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Originally posted by 68Ripper
[B That's not to say it can't be done, but as much time as I spend in a tiger I have yet to be killed with rockets unless I had taken a lot of damage (and who can really gage how much damage you take) from close bombing. [/B]
Didn't say that it "couldn't" be done.
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HERE'S the secret. I use f6f but works in f4u's. Salvo 5 or 6 for a kill. salvo 3 for tracking. Use a steep-ish dive of 40 to 45 degree and be fast. Fire at 800 yards not 1000 or 700 or 600 800 on the button. Moving tanks are tricky that's when I use salvo 3. Remember 5 x rockets = 1 x 500 Lb bomb. It's all in the delivery :D
P38 salvo 5 at 1000 yards. 38's rockets seen to fly straighter.
Killing m3's, m16's and jeeps 800 yards salvo 1. Have a nice day and don't use this trick on me:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Bronk
Thought the IL2's were anti-armor?
Bronk
They would be if we had the BRS-82 or BRS-132, those are the shaped charge anti tank warheads for the Russians. In game we only have the RS-82 and RS-132, the standard HE warhead.
I would love to get some new ord options. :aok
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Ahhh thanks the clarification.
:aok
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Ahhh thanks the clarification.
:aok
Bronk
The bad part is not alot of our rockets are defined all that well. Like the RP's for the British aircraft. I forget how they are labeled in the game, but I think they are the 3" rockets which does not tell us much about what they are. It would be nice to get RP60's as they had both HE and a HEAT warhead.
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I have been making repeated runs, (offline), on the tank drones. Soviet heavy rockets seem to work, but American Rockets are literally bouncing off! I can fire them and watch the smoke trial. If I get a hit I can watch the smoke trial as they ricochete off the vehichle. I will try the salvoing and see if that changes anything.
As for the American Rockets. I am not sure, but I am under the impression that the standard Rocket for US planes was the HVAAR rocket, (High Velocity Anit Armor Rocket).
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Salvos seemed to do the trick. Salvo's of course don't always work. Only if you get enough of the salvo close enough. The ricochette effect I am seeing seems to represent hits that don't do enough to kill.
I went back to single shots and tried to see if the damage accumulated so that you could kill with multiple hits over multiple passes. This seemed to work as well. I would get the ricochette for hits untill the damage accrued enough for a kill, then the tank popped.
With that knowledge, one could set up an attack on a column or group of Vehichles by bombing with 500 or 100 pounders, not worrying about killing with bombs. Then make multiple rocket attacks on softened up GVs. Since the damageappears to accumulate, this could present some interesting opportunities.
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Originally posted by OLtos
As for the American Rockets. I am not sure, but I am under the impression that the standard Rocket for US planes was the HVAAR rocket, (High Velocity Anit Armor Rocket).
That's HVAR, and it stands for High Velocity Aerial Rocket. It had a 5" Naval Gun round for a warhead, and was basically HE. Later on, there were shape-charged varients that had an anti-armor capability, but mostly these were post-war developments.
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Originally posted by Stoney74
That's HVAR, and it stands for High Velocity Aerial Rocket. It had a 5" Naval Gun round for a warhead, and was basically HE. Later on, there were shape-charged varients that had an anti-armor capability, but mostly these were post-war developments.
Correct me if I wrong but shouldn't a 5" shell demolish a tank?
Cheers,
gusman44
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Depends.
Okay, that was flip... :)
Really tho, an unfocused HE explosion may, or may not, cause damage inside an armored vehicle.
The crew may have a ringing sensation, or my just go 'oof' and shrug it off.
5" = a 127mm round. Without a direct hit it ain't gonna do what ya want and even then, it needs to be a shaped charge or an AP round for a consitant Kill.
Regards,
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I've seen a direct hit from a 155mm howitzer round pop a turret off a target hulk M60, but that's a much bigger round than a 5" naval shell. I think mobility kills would be much more in the realm of possibility but MWL would know best, since he's a tread-head.
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I wonder if HT or Pyro would post what types of rockets we have for the planes that can carry them. ;)
We can hope right? :noid