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Help and Support Forums => Technical Support => Topic started by: ZXMAW on December 02, 2001, 11:41:00 PM
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I know some of you use CH products and was wondering if any of you have experienced any speed key probs. My prob concerns the hat veiws. Sometimes when I use my hat it will veer off and get stuck. If any of you had a problem trying to save a head position because you went to far and the view veared off and got stuck, you would know that the only way to reset it is to pull up the map and start over.
While in flight I have been experiencing the same prob. I've just recently switched from a MS Pre Pro to CH products. Anyone have a solution or have seen the same thing?
If you have any other comments to make about the use of CH products please do :)
I'm using a CH throt and combat stick with peds. System is compaq AMD 350 (98) w plenty of ram BTW.
ZXMAW
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Originally posted by ZXMAW:
Sometimes when I use my hat it will veer off and get stuck. If any of you had a problem trying to save a head position because you went to far and the view veared off and got stuck, you would know that the only way to reset it is to pull up the map and start over.
While in flight I have been experiencing the same prob.
I'm using a CH throt and combat stick with peds. System is compaq AMD 350 (98) w plenty of ram BTW.
ZXMAW
Yeah, that happens to me, too...but only
when I'm trying to set and save a head position. I have all CH gear, too.....
Any suggestions, HTC?
dh
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Originally posted by ZXMAW:
Sometimes when I use my hat it will veer off and get stuck.
If you mean your view 'sticks' in one position, this is a problem Zeb (my husband) had in AW a couple of years ago. At the time he used the 'pinky' button on the joystick as an 'up modifier' for his views. However, it seems that if one of the red buttons is used as a modifier, it causes problems like you describe. He cured his by moving the 'up modifier' to one of the grey buttons on the throttle and reassigned the 'pinky' to a single command. He has not had any problems with stuck views since.
[ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: Flossy ]
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Originally posted by Flossy:
He has not had any problems with stuck views since.
Yes, I also had that wierdness in AW. This particular problem occurs when I 1)hold down the back/left or back/right view, 2) Press the page up button to move head position, 3) the view seems to "slip" and 4) when you go back to the default forward view, the view is now forward/right and stuck there.
When it is really bad, it seems as if the shift key is stuck--when the " . " is pressed, only the " > " shows up--you can't even do a ".ef" to quit--you have to do a hard reset. Thanks for tryin tho, Flos!
dh
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Originally posted by Horn:
Thanks for tryin tho, Flos!
OK, was worth a shot. LOL, I'm no tech-head, but if think I recognise a symptom of something I have seen an answer to in the past, I will usually try to suggest it rather than not saying anything - just occasionally I might get it right! :)
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Originally posted by ZXMAW:
I know some of you use CH products and was wondering if any of you have experienced any speed key probs. My prob concerns the hat veiws. Sometimes when I use my hat it will veer off and get stuck. If any of you had a problem trying to save a head position because you went to far and the view veared off and got stuck, you would know that the only way to reset it is to pull up the map and start over.
While in flight I have been experiencing the same prob. I've just recently switched from a MS Pre Pro to CH products. Anyone have a solution or have seen the same thing?
If you have any other comments to make about the use of CH products please do :)
I'm using a CH throt and combat stick with peds. System is compaq AMD 350 (98) w plenty of ram BTW.
ZXMAW
I get that wierd veer off thingy when saving head positions too. All CH gear here too. I wonder if that means you've gone too far within the cockpit? It usually occurs when it seems I'm max'd out in one direction.
Anyway my fix for it is to bring up the clipboard and try again. Usually takes me a few attempts but I get em.
System works fine otherwise.
Drano
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"I get that wierd veer off thingy when saving head positions too. "
I got that too when I first came to AH and since then I ALWAYS spanw offline and use the NUMPAD to set my views.
Occasionaly I get the short "animated view that locks to that same position but bringing up the clipboard and then minimizing usually works. If not the ESC key does too quite often.
I think this problem is CH gear and the bios setting for the repeat speed on the keyboard or the Speedkeys REPEAT setting that may be the cause.
I'll post what mine is from home.
Westy
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are you guys useing USB CH products ??\
iv been useing CH for years and not ever had this problum . just curious
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Actually all my CH gear is analog port stuff but I have them going to my USB port via a Rockfire USB-gameport adapter. MUCH better than a dedicated gamecard.
My settings under the Speedkeys SPEED tab are:
Repeat Delay: .3
Repeat Rate : 22
Max Key Rate: 25
Westy
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Originally posted by O'Westy:
Actually all my CH gear is analog port stuff but I have them going to my USB port via a Rockfire USB-gameport adapter. MUCH better than a dedicated gamecard.
My settings under the Speedkeys SPEED tab are:
Repeat Delay: .3
Repeat Rate : 22
Max Key Rate: 25
Westy
Ok, I changed mine to your suggestions...my settings were .5, 10,15--we'll see if it works--I'm running analog gear thru a CH gamecard and have never had probs before...
Thanks!
dh
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Also try changing the keyboard repeat rate in Windows control panel.
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Originally posted by funkedup:
Also try changing the keyboard repeat rate in Windows control panel.
hmmmmmm? Where is this? Why should I do it?
inquiring minds.....wanna know!
dh
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Originally posted by Horn:
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Yes, I also had that wierdness in AW. This particular problem occurs when I 1)hold down the back/left or back/right view,
Horn is correct, this is also when the lock up seems to happen to me while in flight :mad:
Some good suggestions and were close to tracing it dn I think. I'll be checking my key stroke speeds in speed keys and windows.
Funked up brought up a good point because I had the same prob with my ms pre pro but only while setting the views, not while in flight. Now I need to find out if a higher or lower setting is needed.
ZX
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Originally posted by Horn:
hmmmmmm? Where is this? Why should I do it?
Go to Control Panel/Keyboard and there are two settings - repeat delay and repeat rate. The first setting is how long you can hold a key down before it repeats, and the second is how quickly it repeats.
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Hehe, didn't know so many people had this sort of a problem, and many I know from AW too.
Rockfire analog to usb converter is great: steadies things up, you can still use speedkeys since key command programming has that has no relation to control support. Problem is that they're hard to find and you cannot use a force-feedback stick in AH(but now in AW) as AH programming looks for the device name I think.
CH USB devices certainly is the best as everything works like a gem and controls are extremely precise.
ZXMAW, I got your email and I'm sorry I couldn't get back with you earlier. Also, I'm not sure if I have the answer and yes, I had experienced the same problem in the PAST but think I found a way around it. So here goes. I think the problem lies in the panning (spelling?) mode and if you somehow incorporate the instant view command F9 when you hit the runway(and before you start messing around with the head position), it all works well. A simple trick I've used is including the F9 command in my forward view key command and hit that every time before I take off.
Something else you should take note.Check the stick mapping setup and make sure they show up as "none" for all 4 possible sets. For some reason, mine had some keys mapped so I would be issuing multiple commands(speedkeys and stick mapping).
Let me know if that worked. Like I said, I had some problems some time back and wasn't sure if all the monkeying around somehow cured it...and if it did, couldn't remember what I did.
Hehe,if you guys are in the problem solving mood, try figuring how I can support my FX stick, with key mapping and force feedback support, hooked up along side with usb pro-throttle and rudders.
1. If I hook up a standalone FX stick, one of the hats will not be supported.
2. If I use the rockfire, force feedback is not supported. If AH could come up with a way to provide force feedback to the fx stick even when it(AH) sees a rockfire device supported [this is what happens when I hook up the fx stick to the rockfire device], I MAY be able to do something.
3. I hate the springs on the combat stick as it's too soft and I don't have the time to go to Home Depot to buy some heavy duty ones.
Only solution I've found so far is to have analog prothrottle(and fx stick) hooked up alongside my USB pro-throttle so as to support my keymapping for my usb pro-throttle (thru control manager)AND my analog FX stick(thru speedkeys). It all works fine too. Thank God I'm not ambitious enough nor smart enough to remember all the programmed keys on both throttles plus the stick. Hehe!
Good luck guys!
Orion of the CMC :cool:
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"2. If I use the rockfire, force feedback is not supported. "
I installled my FFX (alone, no throttle or pedals) on the work PC to test my Rockfire out when it came in. BTW, I got mine for $11 us each a few months ago here:
http://salcon.11net.com/ (http://salcon.11net.com/)
I first installed the Rockfire and selected position 3 on the Rockfire. When that was done I saw the joystick in the windows control panel with device id 1. I then plugged the CH FFX stick into it's AC adapter and installed the CH DX5 drivers. Although I was not able to change what device one was set for the contro, panel let me add a CH FFX stick to device 2. It worked fine in AH excpet i could not get the 4-way hat to work.
And there weren't many FFX effects to be felt. So either AH only has a few FFX effects for the Iforce that CH uses or the installation did not let me experience a lot of them for some reason. However the stick bounced when I landed and shook nicely when I fired the guns. It also seemed to offer flight resistance in accordance to whatever axis I was out of trim in.
Westy
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Damn, Westy!!
Guess I just assumed that, because the stick did not show up under the force feedback setup area, it was not supported.
I think I would have needed to use speedkeys anyways (FX stick hooked up to an analog pro-throttle)in order to get the 2nd hat supported.
Thanks, I'll remember this apporach should I decide to give up one hat control on the stick.
Just a FYI, I used to have the throttle, rudder, stick combination hooked up to the rockfire converter and the device supported all the needed control axes. In AW and AH (before version 1.08 - now an erroneous assumption), it worked really well.
Thanks! BTW, ZXMAW, did your views work better with the F9 key invoked.
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next time that happens, just press F9 to switch views to Instant View like AW's.
Originally posted by ZXMAW:
I know some of you use CH products and was wondering if any of you have experienced any speed key probs. My prob concerns the hat veiws. Sometimes when I use my hat it will veer off and get stuck. If any of you had a problem trying to save a head position because you went to far and the view veared off and got stuck, you would know that the only way to reset it is to pull up the map and start over.
While in flight I have been experiencing the same prob. I've just recently switched from a MS Pre Pro to CH products. Anyone have a solution or have seen the same thing?
If you have any other comments to make about the use of CH products please do :)
I'm using a CH throt and combat stick with peds. System is compaq AMD 350 (98) w plenty of ram BTW.
ZXMAW
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack:
next time that happens, just press F9 to switch views to Instant View like AW's.
Tried it (the F9 thing), but no joy.
dh
Later Edit: Never mind--I was hitting the F9 after the freeze--my bad! Thanks!
[ 12-08-2001: Message edited by: Horn ]
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Westy do you run the Rockfire into a powered hub?Are do you plug it into usb plug in on puter?I run all CH Products gear,and I'm trying to get away from Gamecard3.
Thanks;
Dobe
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OK, I think I may have fixed the prob. I tried lowering the key stroke speeds.. didn't do much.
I tried the f9 button... seemed to help but what fixed it for me was to use one of the supplied set ups for other games that you can DL into your stick. I left most of it the same and changed the rest for the game. I used the WB3d set up which was pretty close to AH. It fixed a few problems that I had.
I was unable to config my stick w/o having to change to a diff set-up. The buttons would not work in joystick config unless I did this, now they work. I have not had another lock up or sight veer since.
Thanks for all the help guys, I APPRECIATE IT
:D
ZX
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Dobe I run it into one of the two mother board provided UBB ports.
I also have a shortcut on my desktop for my Aces High 'ptw' file that I double click on to load the Speedkeys profile into my Pro-thortle/F16 Fighterstick combo. No need for running up the whole Speedkeys program. I found that Speedkeys acts funny anyway in that it does not remember your stick when using this configuration (USB adapter and CH gear). I found that Speedkeys kept looking for me to choose an F16 Fighterstick profile making me manually look for and select the AH pro throttle file. And after using the ptw when I went to shut down Speedkeys it would ask me if I wanted to save any changes to the file. By double clicking on any shortcut to particular ptw file I found it would load the file and I had no problems at all. You can do that too btw no matter whether you use a gamecard or the usb adapter. It's a nice handy method to change Speedkeys profiles without loading the whole Speedkeys program.
Email me or ask away here if any other ?'s!
Westy
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Thanks Westy,I really appreciate the help.I have the Speed keys ptfs on the Desktop now.I'm now just waiting to get the Rockfire tomorrow.I have 2 usb ports to plug into,surely it can't matter which one I use.Thanks again for the help.I have noticed you help a lot of people,and I commend you!
Dobe
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I have same problem but only when setting views! After the views are set everything works GREAT!
>>>S<<<
ZuLuSiX
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OK. I've had this problem since I upgraded my machine and this annoyance was one of the reasons I quit AH for about 1yr.
After seeing this thread, I reloaded AW and began messing with my repeat rates inside of SpeedKeys and lengthened the delay and decreased the number of keystrokes issued per sec. Amazingly, the sticky-view problem just about went away. I still get it occasionally but its maybe once during a 3-4 hour period and it goes away when I hit a button on the throttle.
Thanks gang
-Ding