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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Heater on February 24, 2007, 08:37:38 AM

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: Heater on February 24, 2007, 08:37:38 AM

Not sure if this has been posted before, P38 bytes it at an airshow...


http://my.break.com/media/view.aspx?ContentID=233755


Anyone know what the cause was? trying to find then NTSB report but so far nothing.

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: eskimo2 on February 24, 2007, 08:41:19 AM

That sucks.  I saw an F-86 do that once at an airshow; that also sucked.

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: Casca on February 24, 2007, 09:03:36 AM

This is the Hoof Proudfoot accident during an airshow in Duxford in 1996.  The accident was investigated by the AAIB and can be downloaded here (http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/publications/bulletins/may_1997/lockheed_501731.cfm).

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: Bodhi on February 24, 2007, 09:54:49 AM

I did a pre purchase inspection on that aircraft about 3 months ago.  

I was surprised at how much was left.

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: Reschke on February 24, 2007, 03:28:31 PM

So Bohdi if one was to buy an aircraft like that (having been in a crash) how do you do an inspection? I am just curious because I would think after that crash the airframe would be a complete loss and if you wanted a P-38 ou might just be better off to have one built from the ground up like that company did with the ME-262 and FW-190.

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: Debonair on February 24, 2007, 03:35:38 PM

im not him, but i think its a matter of a rebuilt warbird being a "real" one & a new one being a reproduction & therefore lacking some panache.
but dont ask me.  
he knows.
ask him.

u can D/L the vid & watch it over & over (& edit it your AH films - lol i want to see that) at the oops list (http://www.micom.net/oops/)
oops list owns, lookit dis kewl foto:
(http://www.micom.net/oops/F14-flyby.jpg)

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: Golfer on February 24, 2007, 05:35:33 PM

An inspection is just that...you inspect it.  Use your eyes and tulips what you have and what will be required (time, equipment and money wise) to accomplish your goal no matter what it might be.

Rebuilding it is another thing altogether.  Any airplane regardless of damage can be rebuilt...but if you ever ask the question "Can this airplane be rebuilt" the answer is:

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without a question, yes. The real issue is the economic advisability of building a special set of jigs to support the ash trays as the aircraft is dismantled around them and discarded. Additional expenses will be incured as a new airplane is then built around the ash trays. But yes, it is repairable.

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: Golfer on February 24, 2007, 05:40:37 PM

Thats from another board regarding our friendly neighborhood King Air dilberts who depressurized their airplane after one of the panes on their windshield shattered (the wrong thing to do) and whether or not that airplane was fixable.

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/seagull16/King%20Air/file008.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/seagull16/King%20Air/file006.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/seagull16/King%20Air/file005.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/seagull16/King%20Air/file004.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/seagull16/King%20Air/file003.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/seagull16/King%20Air/file002.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/seagull16/King%20Air/file000.jpg)

(http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r182/seagull16/King%20Air/ATT270786.jpg)

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: Hoarach on February 24, 2007, 09:34:20 PM

:cry

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: nirvana on February 24, 2007, 10:18:12 PM

That interesting to see what a loss of pressure can do, Golfer.  Thanks for posting.

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: AquaShrimp on February 24, 2007, 10:22:50 PM

Nirvana thats a loss of pressure, plus an overspeed dive and an over-g pull out.

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: Golfer on February 24, 2007, 10:48:24 PM

Nirvana they didn't lose pressure is the point of that deal.

The left forward windscreen shattered.  That in itself is loud (like a shotgun I'm told) but not an overall big deal.  The drill is to maintain a positive pressure differential to keep the pressure pushing the window "out" where it belongs rather than reducing the cabin pressure so the ram airflow will cause it to implode.

Those jokers dumped the cabin which was against the procedures in the checklist and common sense.  They then passed out just in time to find themselves in an as it told near vertical dive and over G'd the airplane (ha think?!) in the pullout.

At first I thought it was a botched aileron roll when I heard the story and saw the news report a few weeks ago.  That doesn't explain the windscreen so it looks like lack of adherence to procedure caused them to back themselves into that corner.

Anyways the post was a joke explaining how any airplane is repairable.  You just need to build a jig capable of holding the ashtrays while the airplane is dismantled around them and discarded :)

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: nirvana on February 25, 2007, 12:40:03 AM

Ahhh ok, still interesting to see.

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: Yeager on February 25, 2007, 12:42:47 AM

so what we really have here is a snuff film?

Title: Not for P38 Lovers....
Post by: Golfer on February 25, 2007, 12:44:51 AM

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