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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: TinmanX on February 25, 2007, 02:57:57 AM
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I've had this painting hanging on my wall for a couple of years now. Whenever I search for any information on it, I come up blank. The only painting I can ever find by the artist is the famous Spitfire. Not once have I ever been able to get any information on him paing a Hurri and yet here it is, on my wall.
Any help out there would be great!
(http://www.lotrplaza.com/forum/support/28936/psinting.jpg)
(http://www.lotrplaza.com/forum/support/28936/sig.jpg)
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hmm link won't work
use this in google search EXACTLY
"barrie a. f. clark" hurricane
with the quotes, and find the link
http://www.prints.co.uk/artist1.htm
but click on the "Cached" link right below it to see the page
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wow, gorgeous painting, very nice...
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Is that a 2d... ?
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Yep
2Ds had the underwing gondolas for 40mm Vickers guns. They were removed and bombers were put on the same hardpoint, if desired.
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Here we go Mustaine....
This is what is on the page...
'Baders Bus' (ref: ARL 001)
Barrie Clark's evocative painting of the 242 Squadron Hawker Hurricane Mk1 flown by Sqn Ldr Douglas Bader DSO DFC when he commanded the squadron based at RAF Coltishall in 1940.
The print is signed by Barrie Clark.
Image size 12" x 24" printed on 300gsm acid free board.
Price £25.00
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And there-in lays the problem. The painting is of a 2d and the description of the print is a mk1 plus, the dimensions of what is on my wall is 22" x 33"
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is that a print (poster) ??
or is it a real painting??? (on canvas)
i have a pretty good size print by clarke in my living room.
guy does superb work!!
if yours is a actual signed painting, i would imagine it is worth quite a bit of cash.
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Originally posted by 1Boner
is that a print (poster) ??
or is it a real painting??? (on canvas)
i have a pretty good size print by clarke in my living room.
guy does superb work!!
if yours is a actual signed painting, i would imagine it is worth quite a bit of cash.
I have to say I'm unsure. I don't know if Clark worked in watercolour or oils. If he worked in oils it's a print as there is very little texture to the painting. The painting (print) itself is on a canvas 'box' which is nailed into the frame. There is no print number visible anywhere.
The story of how I got it....
My mother-in-law (Japanese) was adopted by a Naval Officer just after WWII and lived mostly in CA. While there as an adult her local bank closed down and they had that painint on the wall. She bought it from them thinking it was a Zero (don't ask me why). When I met her and saw the painting I told her it was a British Hurricane and later on she gave it to me as a gift
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Tinman,
It could be a mass production print in which there will be no numbers. Kind of like if someone bought the rights to the photo and printed it and sold them. With my history of art, if there is no texture to it you're right it won't be an oil painting. ANd it is too dark for watercolor. Check the lines where the paint fades into one another and see how crisp it is. From what I see from your photo posted, I think it might be a print as I have a few that look the same way and have no numbers on them. Let me know...
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very rarely in the 60's / 70's were "prints" done on canvas that I know of. depending on the style of the artist, you can make a rather smooth oil painting too...
just not enough information to say.
the artist IS still alive according to this site (http://www.felixr.com/biography_detail.asp?artist=Barrie%20A%20F%20Clark) , maybe you can attempt to contact him directly.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
very rarely in the 60's / 70's were "prints" done on canvas that I know of. depending on the style of the artist, you can make a rather smooth oil painting too...
just not enough information to say.
the artist IS still alive according to this site (http://www.felixr.com/biography_detail.asp?artist=Barrie%20A%20F%20Clark) , maybe you can attempt to contact him directly.
The copyright for it could have been done after this. Just because it is saying it was done in 79, does not mean it was actually printed then. Oil paintings will almost have a distinct line pattern to it, no matter the artist. No if it was smoothed over, maybe no, but you will be able to tell an oil painting compaired to others. I am just wondering how that is actually on the paper. Is it actually paper or is it on canvas. Prints are done on both. Also wondering, how long have you had the picture Tinman? That will also play into the fact of it. Between us all I am sure we can figure something out.... :D
EDIT: I just checked that site Mustaine, I have a Spitfire print of his. :D But the wife-ack keeps hitting me everytime I try to hang it up... :noid
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Originally posted by Sketch
...Also wondering, how long have you had the picture Tinman? That will also play into the fact of it. Between us all I am sure we can figure something out.... :D
EDIT: I just checked that site Mustaine, I have a Spitfire print of his. :D But the wife-ack keeps hitting me everytime I try to hang it up... :noid
lol
he doesn't give a year, but the mother in law got it in CA at a bank closing, and from the sounds of it, she got it a while ago, then gave it to him later
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a bank in CA had the original, lots of original pieces of art are in such locations, not all are in museums / collections.
I could be totally wrong thong, it just seems to me if the painter is "known" for spitfires, an odd hurricane that is not well known probably wouldn't have a ton of prints made of it.
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Originally posted by Mustaine
lol
he doesn't give a year, but the mother in law got it in CA at a bank closing, and from the sounds of it, she got it a while ago, then gave it to him later
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if a bank in CA had the original, lots of original pieces of art are in such locations, not all are in museums / collections.
I could be totally wrong thong, it just seems to me if the painter is "known" for spitfires, an odd hurricane that is not well known probably wouldn't have a ton of prints made of it.
Yeah a lot of pieces of art get 'donated' to banks and court hosues and such. I know the Navy Reserve center that my father ran in Wisconsin gave him about 6 original painitngs of ships and such... he has them hanging in his "I Love Me Room" no that he is retired.
You never know with art bro, hang on to it and keep it safe... might be your kids college tuition or something! :aok
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all right already!!!
i,ll give ya 20 bucks for it!!!
thats my final offer!!!!:cool:
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Originally posted by 1Boner
all right already!!!
i,ll give ya 20 bucks for it!!!
thats my final offer!!!!:cool:
I hear 20, 20 ,20... do I hear 25, 25 25.... :D
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Have you had a look at the painting out of the frame? Originals may have something written on the stretcher strips by the artist. Sometimes artists paint on pre-stretched canvas, but most artists like to stretch their own canvas. If this is the case, then the back of the canvas will likely not look very neat and tidy and may have an excess of canvas folded over so the canvas can be re-stretched at some future time. If the canvas is linen it will be brown on the back; if so it is probably an original. It is also entirely possible the painting was done on canvas board or some other matrix than canvas.
If after checking these things out and there is no writing on the back, or if the canvas is cotton duck (white colored) or if things look too neat and tidy, then take the painting to an art restorer and appraiser to determine if it is an original or a print transfer onto canvas. I'm just guessing, but I would think a print transfer might be shiny looking whereas the real thing may be more flat or matte looking. Look in the phone book and call an art museum for references to a competent art restorer. Then call the restorer and describe the painting and what you found on the back.
Good luck. That is a nice painting. If it is an original, it is time to have it cleaned and varnished by the restorer. Do not ship the painting but hand deliver if there is any question of it being original. They may need to see it to determine this, but it would be worth the trip to know for sure.
Les
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awesome picture. i've got the spit one ~ hadn't seen that one before, will look for info. :)
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TinmanX, I've been collecting aviation art for about seven years now. A website that you might find very helpful is called www.eHangar.com (http://www.eHangar.com)
There are many people who visit that site that could give you any information you may be searching for.
Good Luck!
Obie:aok
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The title is "Hurricane at Dawn". Yours looks like it's mounted differently.
(http://www.brewsterbuffalos.com/htc/had.jpg)
A good art studio should be able to tell you if it's a print or the original. But I would expect it to be a print. ;)
And his preferred media is/was oil paint.