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Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Jonny boy 8 on February 25, 2007, 11:06:56 AM

im not trying to be a hater, but the ta 152 has to go. no one uses it. its made for high flying combat and no one goes over 35,000 ft just to have a dog fight or to bomb. (maybe sametimes they go that high) replace it with a diffrent aircraft like the P-80, or the He-111.


P51srule:aok

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Meatwad on February 25, 2007, 11:08:11 AM

I dont think so, Tim.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Jonny boy 8 on February 25, 2007, 11:12:28 AM

ok tell me the last time u used it, but it hase to be a preety GOOD reason.



P51srule:aok

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Jonny boy 8 on February 25, 2007, 11:13:05 AM

ok tell me the last time u used it, but it has to be a preety GOOD reason.



P51srule:aok

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: rabbidrabbit on February 25, 2007, 11:20:45 AM

This thread is special.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Krusty on February 25, 2007, 11:40:16 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Meatwad
I dont think so, Tim.

Today on Tool Time we're going to soup up the fearsome WW2 plane Ta 152 with the Binford 6100 supercharger. That coupled with a Binford 6100 GM-1 system, and this baby's gonna be purring oh-oh-OH-OH-OH!!

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: croduh on February 25, 2007, 11:43:07 AM

Ta152 stats for tour 85(current)

Ta 152H has 1911 Kills of All models

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Jonny boy 8 on February 25, 2007, 11:44:42 AM

u guys dont get it. the ta 152 was fast at high alt (35,000 ft) but it didnt perform well in low alt (12,000) trust me ive already done the test on them at those alts.



p51srule :aok

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Lusche on February 25, 2007, 11:49:32 AM

So we have to get rid of that plane because YOU don`t fly it? :rofl

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Meatwad on February 25, 2007, 11:55:52 AM

Tests offline or in H2H dont count

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Fruda on February 25, 2007, 11:56:31 AM

Our Ta-152H isn't exactly modeled to the highest level of accuracy (it only gets about 453mp/h when in reality it got 472mp/h). However, that doesn't mean it's a poor fighter.

While it sheds a lot of energy in turns, it retains it like no other plane in the set when you dive and climb. Many times, I've dived from at least 20,000 feet down to the deck and maintained a speed of over 500mp/h for quite a long time (I never counted, but I'm guessing it was at least thirty seconds).

And, when you've got the energy left from a dive, it's not at all impossible (or unlikely) that you'll be able to zoom climb right back up to where you were before the dive, if not higher. I've surprised many Lavochkins by doing just this, and it's gotten me out of harm's way enough times to make me really like this aircraft.

Along with its excellent energy retention and zoom characteristics, it has one of the most powerful guns packages in the entire set. And, since they're all in the cowling, it doesn't take expert convergence settings to make them work with a high rate of efficiency.


So, in short, you're dead wrong about the Ta-152H-1. It's black death when flown properly (this would be climbing to at least 20,000 feet and diving to zoom and cherrypick, as well as the rare high-altitude fight). It can scare the living crap out of anyone, mark my words.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Jonny boy 8 on February 25, 2007, 11:57:52 AM

no because all i does is sit in the hanger and do nothing, yeah i would fly the ta 152 for certian resons 1. i would use it for ONLY high alt ( which bearly i fly  at a high alt). 2. reconosis 3. anti-bomber fighter for high alt.


p51srule :aok

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Jonny boy 8 on February 25, 2007, 11:58:52 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Fruda
Our Ta-152H isn't exactly modeled to the highest level of accuracy (it only gets about 453mp/h when in reality it got 472mp/h). However, that doesn't mean it's a poor fighter.

While it sheds a lot of energy in turns, it retains it like no other plane in the set when you dive and climb. Many times, I've dived from at least 20,000 feet down to the deck and maintained a speed of over 500mp/h for quite a long time (I never counted, but I'm guessing it was at least thirty seconds).

And, when you've got the energy left from a dive, it's not at all impossible (or unlikely) that you'll be able to zoom climb right back up to where you were before the dive, if not higher. I've surprised many Lavochkins by doing just this, and it's gotten me out of harm's way enough times to make me really like this aircraft.

Along with its excellent energy retention and zoom characteristics, it has one of the most powerful guns packages in the entire set. And, since they're all in the cowling, it doesn't take expert convergence settings to make them work with a high rate of efficiency.


So, in short, you're dead wrong about the Ta-152H-1. It's black death when flown properly (this would be climbing to at least 20,000 feet and diving to zoom and cherrypick, as well as the rare high-altitude fight). It can scare the living crap out of anyone, mark my words.

AMEN brother

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Meatwad on February 25, 2007, 12:00:45 PM

Taylortanklover - aircraft style this time

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Golfer on February 25, 2007, 12:04:22 PM

I flew it just a couple days ago with pretty good success.  Now someone call the "Wahhhhmbulance"

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Benny Moore on February 25, 2007, 12:06:04 PM

Enlighten me, for I am a Bear of Very Little Brain, but what good could removing an unused airplane - even if only one person liked it - possibly do?  What reason could you possibly give for removing an unused airplane?  Is there, perchance, a rule that says that no new aircraft will be added unless an existing one is taken away?

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: rabbidrabbit on February 25, 2007, 12:09:08 PM

because he says so!!  so there!!!

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: BaldEagl on February 25, 2007, 01:25:00 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
ok tell me the last time u used it, but it has to be a preety GOOD reason.



P51srule:aok

I just used it last week and it's one of my favorite planes to take buff and high fighter hunting.

It actually starts to come into it's own at about 25K which is a perfect altitude for high alt buff or fighter hunts as the high buffs are usually between 20-24K and the high fighters around 20K, giving you a slight alt advantage to carry speed into the merge.

It's got impressive range at that altitude with the tanks full and the single 30mm cannon will rip the wings off a bomber with only a few hits.  If you are hit in one and the engine dies they will glide forever due to those big, long, lightly loaded wings.

It's also a better turn fighter than people give it credit for and is consistantly among the best planes in kill per death ratio camp after camp.

Now why in the world would you want to get rid of a plane that is the best in the game at this high alt hunting role (and it's got to be a good reason)?

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Jonny boy 8 on February 25, 2007, 01:32:48 PM

know thats a good resons :D


p51srule:aok

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Benny Moore on February 25, 2007, 01:35:19 PM

You didn't answer my question, Boy.  What good could removing the airplane possibly do, even if only one person flies it?

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Golfer on February 25, 2007, 01:38:02 PM

Simmer down now, Benny.  He's looking for a rise and he found one.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Wilbus on February 25, 2007, 01:38:14 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
u guys dont get it. the ta 152 was fast at high alt (35,000 ft) but it didnt perform well in low alt (12,000) trust me ive already done the test on them at those alts.



p51srule :aok

Well it was designed to improve on the quite poor altitude performance of the 190 A's however it was never ever intended for pure high altitude fighting.

In fact, the action it did see was all low altitude and it did very very well there on both the western and eastern front while greatly outnumbered.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: killnu on February 25, 2007, 01:45:28 PM

Id fly it alot more if the first ping on the plane didnt take out the radiator every time.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Wilbus on February 25, 2007, 01:52:00 PM

Quote

Originally posted by killnu
Id fly it alot more if the first ping on the plane didnt take out the radiator every time.

Hear Hear!!!

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Gooss on February 25, 2007, 02:09:23 PM

Freakin' Wilbuz kilt me twice on the fringes of a furball while he was flying a T152.  He outmanuevered me while I has in a Nik.  I know my flying is deficient, but that should not have happened.  I still think twice about engaging T152's.

I'm also a crappy buff gunner.  I almost shot a whole clip from the tail gun of B17 trying to kill him in a C202.  His BB's were rattling off my buff constantly.  A lucky shot finally got one of his wings.  I don't engage C202's either.

So, if you don't like a plane, don't fly it.  If you want to be a better fighter pilot, learn to fly more planes.  If you want to be a freaky zen master smarty pants, follow Wilbuz' lead and make regular guys look like idiots while flying the fringe planes.

HONK!
Gooss

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Jonny boy 8 on February 25, 2007, 02:13:07 PM

a ta 152 shouldnt out manover a nik. thats intresting though ill look in to that. i shoot down ta 152s all the time its like a b26s in a dog fight.




p51srule:aok

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Golfer on February 25, 2007, 02:31:06 PM

Some of us are capable of dogfighting in B-26's to, sport!

Title: Re: get replace the ta 152
Post by: E25280 on February 25, 2007, 02:48:48 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
im not trying to be a hater, but the ta 152 has to go. no one uses it.

Quote

Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
i shoot down ta 152s all the time

Ding Ding . . . Click . . . Click . . . Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . . .


System Error:  Does not compute.  Contradictory Input.

Title: Re: Re: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Kuhn on February 25, 2007, 03:23:12 PM

Quote

Originally posted by E25280
Ding Ding . . . Click . . . Click . . . Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz . . . .


System Error:  Does not compute.  Contradictory Input.

I noticed that too.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: nirvana on February 25, 2007, 04:04:42 PM

Oh, they are good for HOing:aok

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Mustaine on February 25, 2007, 05:54:07 PM

is it me or does the avatar say it all????

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: rabbidrabbit on February 25, 2007, 06:40:44 PM

Every village has its idiot.  You don't cuss him or be mean.  You just sit back and enjoy the show!:aok

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: SuperDud on February 25, 2007, 06:44:03 PM

Is this helldiver?

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Anyone on February 25, 2007, 06:54:41 PM

a newbie telling us we dont need a plane thats been in the set for years...........yeah smart.......:noid

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: bj229r on February 25, 2007, 08:41:30 PM

P47 is a high alt fighter, owned by most planes down low, but lotsa guys use em  as every-mission dogfighter

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Fianna on February 25, 2007, 10:10:43 PM

Jonny is the car wreck.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: tedrbr on February 25, 2007, 10:25:36 PM

There's the bigger issue here:

WHY ON GAWD'S GREEN ACRES WOULD YOU EVER REMOVE A PLANE FROM THE EXISTING PLANESET?

EVER?!!!

(http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/sign0065.gif) (http://www.thesmilies.com)


Perk?  Sure.  Un-perk? Sure?  Change ENY? Sure. Change EW, MD, LW availability? Sure. Limited fields to lift from? Sure.  

But REMOVE????

Is this a joke?  A extremely poor attempt at baiting?  Someone off their medications?  Someone on new "medications"?  

(http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/sign0202.gif) (http://www.thesmilies.com)

Title: Re: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Serenity on February 25, 2007, 10:31:30 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
im not trying to be a hater, but the ta 152 has to go. no one uses it. its made for high flying combat and no one goes over 35,000 ft just to have a dog fight or to bomb. (maybe sametimes they go that high) replace it with a diffrent aircraft like the P-80, or the He-111.


P51srule:aok

No. Never. Nein. Its a good plane, and when well flown will kill you without trouble.  I want the He-111, but im not giving up the Ta-152

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Debonair on February 25, 2007, 11:19:10 PM

im with JB8
get rid of teh 152s:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:they sux

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: DiabloTX on February 26, 2007, 12:10:22 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Meatwad
Taylortanklover - aircraft style this time

Yup.

And he better get that reconosis checked out by a doc, stat.

Title: Re: get replace the ta 152
Post by: mussie on February 26, 2007, 12:28:31 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
im not trying to be a hater, but the ta 152 has to go. no one uses it. its made for high flying combat and no one goes over 35,000 ft just to have a dog fight or to bomb. (maybe sametimes they go that high) replace it with a diffrent aircraft like the P-80, or the He-111.


P51srule:aok

I have more kills in the 152 than anything else....

In saying that.... I am going to treat your comment with the disdain it deserves....

NOTE: I dont fly above 10K very much so dont tell me she is only good at high ALT.... Please see this thread for films of how to kick ares and take names in the 152

Click Here To See Just How WRONG You Are (http://forums.hitechcreations.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=197413)

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Treize69 on February 26, 2007, 12:53:53 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
u guys dont get it. the ta 152 was fast at high alt (35,000 ft) but it didnt perform well in low alt (12,000) trust me ive already done the test on them at those alts.



p51srule :aok

Yes, but what good is test performed by an idiot who has no idea what he's doing?

Its only real deficiency down low is a slow rate of roll compared to the D9. Keep it fast and fight in the vertical, you can make total fools of most any fighter. Get a stick who knows how to fight smart (I know, this is beyond you, but trust me, it can be done) and hold his E you can control the fight against anything at nearly any altitude. And its firepower can make even a quick snapshot lethal, 2 20mm and a 30mm all mounted very close together packs one hell of a wallop.

I forget who it was now, but I had a fight a few months back with my wingie and I in 38's and one of the vets in a 152. he held us off and held his E for nearly 15 minutes by the time he and my wingman accidentally collided on a yo-yo.

I get a few every tour (gotten 3 so far this tour), but only if I can catch them from above or sucker them into a turning fight. Dropped down on 2 who were trying to vulch and probably never saw me, and got the third my forcing him to turn fight me at 12,000 feet. 2 have gotten me according to my stats, but I don't have them on film, so I have to assume they were guys who caught me in another fight, since I don't remember being killed in a fight with any.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Serenity on February 26, 2007, 02:11:49 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
no because all i does is sit in the hanger and do nothing, yeah i would fly the ta 152 for certian resons 1. i would use it for ONLY high alt ( which bearly i fly  at a high alt). 2. reconosis 3. anti-bomber fighter for high alt.


p51srule :aok

When I get my comp. working again, meet me at 30k in your P-51. Ill take a Ta-152. That little drop when you hit the silk will give you time to think this over.

I LOVE this thread! This will really teach you not to disrespect German planes. Heil Deutschland!!!

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Nilsen on February 26, 2007, 04:47:51 AM

Id like to see the 152 get a visual update as it looks very dated.

Good plane tho, and i flew it alot back in AH1. It looks too dated now so it doesnt go well with my new purse. :)

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: storch on February 26, 2007, 07:49:17 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Fruda
Our Ta-152H isn't exactly modeled to the highest level of accuracy (it only gets about 453mp/h when in reality it got 472mp/h). However, that doesn't mean it's a poor fighter.

While it sheds a lot of energy in turns, it retains it like no other plane in the set when you dive and climb. Many times, I've dived from at least 20,000 feet down to the deck and maintained a speed of over 500mp/h for quite a long time (I never counted, but I'm guessing it was at least thirty seconds).

And, when you've got the energy left from a dive, it's not at all impossible (or unlikely) that you'll be able to zoom climb right back up to where you were before the dive, if not higher. I've surprised many Lavochkins by doing just this, and it's gotten me out of harm's way enough times to make me really like this aircraft.

Along with its excellent energy retention and zoom characteristics, it has one of the most powerful guns packages in the entire set. And, since they're all in the cowling, it doesn't take expert convergence settings to make them work with a high rate of efficiency.


So, in short, you're dead wrong about the Ta-152H-1. It's black death when flown properly (this would be climbing to at least 20,000 feet and diving to zoom and cherrypick, as well as the rare high-altitude fight). It can scare the living crap out of anyone, mark my words.

why did you let the cat outta the bag?

Title: Re: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Hats on February 26, 2007, 09:47:04 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
im not trying to be a hater, but the ta 152 has to go. no one uses it. its made for high flying combat and no one goes over 35,000 ft just to have a dog fight or to bomb. (maybe sametimes they go that high) replace it with a diffrent aircraft like the P-80, or the He-111.


P51srule:aok

yes, it is a high altitude fighter. No, it does not carry bombs, or a bombsight.

check your spelling.

why would you REMOVE it from the list, instead of ADDING your idealistic planes to it.

the ground capability is prefound. in perspective, it is much like a modern A10 wart hog; it has huge, light wings which can give the aircraft the ability to glide or crawl at very slow speeds. It carries two 20mm and a 30mm, which is can kill a tank. the A10 carries almost the same weapons.

good dogfighter. used properly (altitue is your friend!) its a death machine.

and the very best thing is.....
....you can get uber uber easy kills of bombers with it. thats what it was built for and thats what it does best. it will give you a lot of perks.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Wilbus on February 26, 2007, 10:26:36 AM

Well it was built as a high altitude long range escortfighter and interceptor. Not a bomber killer, well, not a specialized bomber killer atleast.

It is in no way capable or doing anything to a tank. The 30mm in the Ta152 is a Mk 108, velocity of the shells is around 650 meters/sec (about 2000 feet/sec), far too low to penetrate tank armor, even rear armor as the shell is also too light. It fires 600 rounds per minute (10 a second)

The A10 has a 7 barrel high velocity gun designed to take out veichles. The plane is more or less built around the gun, not the other way around. It fires about 70 rounds per second which is 4200 per minute. The shells are designed to take out armor, not to take out soft or semi soft air targets. (not that any air target would surivive anyway).

Title: Re: Re: get replace the ta 152
Post by: BaldEagl on February 26, 2007, 10:56:41 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Hats
it will give you a lot of perks.

Actually it won't as it's only got a 5 ENY rating.  If you want to go perk farming there's multitudes of other planes that will do much better for you (the FW190-A8 w/2 30mm, 2 20mm and 2 machine guns at an ENY of 30 for instance) but if all you want to do is blow stuff out of the sky then the TA152 is a lot of fun to fly.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Sketch on February 26, 2007, 10:57:56 AM

Quote

Originally posted by nirvana
Oh, they are good for HOing:aok

Yeap, especially flippin dolphins... Oh wait.... :huh   Oh, you ment planes!  Yeah those too!!  Expecially fluffy sheep!! Yeah!
:t

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Krusty on February 26, 2007, 11:09:05 AM

:confused:

Sketch....


Sometimes I worry about you, man... :huh

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Sketch on February 26, 2007, 11:17:08 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Krusty
:confused:
Sketch....
Sometimes I worry about you, man... :huh

(http://tn3-2.deviantart.com/fs9/300W/i/2006/145/5/8/window_licker_by_erainey.jpg)

:D

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Krusty on February 26, 2007, 11:23:24 AM

Well they cracked the window before putting you in there, but I still think the heat's getting to you man... :rofl

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: JB35 on February 26, 2007, 11:38:00 AM

Quote

Originally posted by Mustaine
is it me or does the avatar say it all????

OH MUSTA1NE :rofl  Priceless

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: nirvana on February 26, 2007, 05:04:34 PM

Negatory Sketch, I was talking about those damn man eating dolphins:mad:

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Ghastly on February 27, 2007, 11:13:34 AM

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i shoot down ta 152s all the time its like a b26s in a dog fight

In the main arenas?  I've seen exactly one in approximately 120 hours of play since starting AH....  and he got impatient, and tried to out turn an F4U.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Anyone on February 27, 2007, 02:29:25 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Ghastly
In the main arenas?  I've seen exactly one in approximately 120 hours of play since starting AH....  and he got impatient, and tried to out turn an F4U.

TA152s are far more common than you think..... i see them all the time.

the main problem is you see 190 untill you are 1000 range....

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Krusty on February 27, 2007, 02:45:34 PM

Yep, Anyone's right.

Also keep an eye on the "name in lights" messages. Just the other day SHawk and his lacky were cherry picking and both landed 7-8 at once :p (either that or they ran into a crap load of bombers -- and pilots like that  don't "do" bombers)

I saw several folks landing multiple kills in the 152 the past 2-3 days. Heck I was even inspired to do it myself!


Edit: I shouldn't dis SHawk like that but I don't like the way he chooses to fly. Sorry for any offense.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: morfiend on February 27, 2007, 05:30:53 PM

Quote

Originally posted by tedrbr


Is this a joke?  A extremely poor attempt at baiting?  Someone off their medications?  Someone on new "medications"?  





 what we really need is a new drug,say the TA 152 C,ahhh but I don't think it saw combat.... but the "C" would furball with the best.......... :aok

Title: Re: Re: get replace the ta 152
Post by: 68Ripper on February 27, 2007, 08:51:29 PM

Quote

Originally posted by Hats
yes, it is a high altitude fighter. No, it does not carry bombs, or a bombsight.

check your spelling.

why would you REMOVE it from the list, instead of ADDING your idealistic planes to it.

the ground capability is prefound. in perspective, it is much like a modern A10 wart hog; it has huge, light wings which can give the aircraft the ability to glide or crawl at very slow speeds. It carries two 20mm and a 30mm, which is can kill a tank. the A10 carries almost the same weapons.

good dogfighter. used properly (altitue is your friend!) its a death machine.

and the very best thing is.....
....you can get uber uber easy kills of bombers with it. thats what it was built for and thats what it does best. it will give you a lot of perks.

How can you compare the ta152 to a A10 Warthog? The A10 can make swiss cheese out of a tank. And the weapons system is nowhere near comparable.


Although the A-10 can carry a considerable weight of disposable stores, its primary built-in weapon is the 30 mm GAU-8/A Avenger Gatling gun. One of the most powerful aircraft cannons ever flown, it fires large depleted uranium armor-piercing shells at a rate of about 3,900 rounds per minute (50 rounds per second during the first second, 70 rounds per second thereafter). The massive shells and high muzzle velocity allow the Thunderbolt II to destroy heavily armored main battle tanks with as few as six direct hits. The gun is accurate as well, being capable of placing 80% of its shots within a 20-foot wide circle from a distance of 1 mile while the aircraft is in flight.

The fuselage of the plane is actually built around the gun. For example, the nosewheel is offset to starboard so that the gun's firing barrel is aligned on the aircraft's centerline. The A-10 carries 1,350 rounds of 30 mm ammunition

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/956_1172632851_250px-a10shark.jpg)

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Golfer on February 27, 2007, 10:40:46 PM

This:
(http://www.goang.com/images/office/Gau%208%20display.JPG)

and this:

(http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/hangar/8217/fgun/mk108-b.jpg)

are not even close to one and the same!

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Krusty on February 27, 2007, 11:55:19 PM

Morfiend, the 152C-0 saw action alongside the 152Hs, but only 2 of them. They were not a production model, and one of the requirements is "must be a production variant, no prototypes etc"

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: morfiend on March 01, 2007, 11:44:24 PM

have pix of ta squad,didnt see a C in the line up. Still would be nice to be able to up that monster:aok .... BTW thx for that imfo Krusty..........

  any sources I can read would be great.....

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: kreighund on March 02, 2007, 01:03:06 AM

Well with those requirements......

The F8F-1's were aboard the Bunker Hill in route to take part but the war ended before they could be blooded..............

and

there were six P-80A's in northern italy to try to take on the Me-262 but serviceability and they state of the air war over southern germany prevented any encounters


F7F-1 was also in production


well that should have wacked the hornet's nest!!!!!!!!!!

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Kweassa on March 02, 2007, 02:16:33 AM

Quote

well that should have wacked the hornet's nest!!!!!!!!!!

 Not really.

 Another requirment is to be an actual combat aircraft - meaning that the plane, as a standard production model, served regular missions on normal squadron strength service and saw actual combat.

 The production numbers may be small, but the Ta152 and Me163 were all standard production aircraft that were placed in squadron strenght service that saw actual combat against Allied planes quite often. On the other hand, the P-80s were plagued with problems and served only a few patrol missions, the Bearcat was onlu en-route to the warzone when the war itself ended, and the Tigercat was in production only.

 Therefore, according to HTC's (unofficial) policy on aircraft requirements, the Ta152 and Me163 qualifies. The Bearcat, Tigercat, and the P-80s does not. The British Gloster Meteors qualifies, as does the He162 Volksjaeger, but the Soviet Bi-1 does not, and etc...

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Ball on March 02, 2007, 02:19:55 AM

So why does the Spitfire XVI not fly with its max boost in Aces High?

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Anyone on March 02, 2007, 08:12:11 AM

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Originally posted by Ball
So why does the Spitfire XVI not fly with its max boost in Aces High?

and why do the 190s flaps not deploy above 180?

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Ball on March 02, 2007, 12:42:46 PM

Why is the Spitfire's view movement so limited compared to other aircraft?

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: DblTrubl on March 02, 2007, 01:00:38 PM

Because HTC hates you. :p

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Ball on March 02, 2007, 01:04:54 PM

I dont fly spit, but hes he does hate me.

Pyro doesnt though.  He wants to rescue me. :)

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: morfiend on March 02, 2007, 01:47:52 PM

Krusty check ur PM's:noid

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Benny Moore on March 02, 2007, 04:57:28 PM

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Originally posted by Kweassa
The production numbers may be small, but the Ta152 and Me163 were all standard production aircraft that were placed in squadron strenght service that saw actual combat against Allied planes quite often.

That's a bit of a stretch for the Ta-152.  Only perhaps twenty ever saw combat, and not often.  No more than sixty did, for sure.

Title: Re: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Masherbrum on March 02, 2007, 05:24:24 PM

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Originally posted by Jonny boy 8
im not trying to be a hater, but the ta 152 has to go. no one uses it. its made for high flying combat and no one goes over 35,000 ft just to have a dog fight or to bomb. (maybe sametimes they go that high) replace it with a diffrent aircraft like the P-80, or the He-111.


P51srule:aok

Tell you what, let's meet in the DA, you pick WHATEVER plane you want.    I'll fly the Ta and "show you how crappy this Cartoon Ta-152 H-1" is.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Stang on March 02, 2007, 08:24:49 PM

Moot and Tarmac used to pawn winging 152's.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Kweassa on March 02, 2007, 10:19:45 PM

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That's a bit of a stretch for the Ta-152. Only perhaps twenty ever saw combat, and not often. No more than sixty did, for sure.

 It's true the production numbers were small. But they were; 1) regular production aircraft and not testbed/prototype/preproduction planes, 2) allocated for service in Stab./JG301, and 3) saw combat action for four months, until  late April 1945, and has a pilot which reached the 'ace' status in the plane.

 Qualifies in every category.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Benny Moore on March 02, 2007, 10:26:15 PM

Really?  I didn't think they fought more than a couple of times.  Maybe I should enable it in my planesets.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Kweassa on March 03, 2007, 03:24:14 AM

Let's just put it this way - "Every single plane in Aces High fits the above criteria." There are quite many, relatively 'rare' planes such as the Me163, Ta152, F4U-1C, C.205s, N1K2-Js, and etc etc.. but all of these are as said, production aircraft that saw official service.

 If the requirements were any different, AH might have been a lot more similar to IL-2 in plane selection.. frickin' Gothas and Huckebeins... what in the world was Oleg thinking?

 (On the other hand the latest IL-2 series, IL-2/46, does tend to bring out the nostalgia in all of us. Ah, the good ol' days of SWOTL...)

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Wes14 on March 03, 2007, 06:47:31 AM

hey,why get rid of the Ta-152,i personally think its a cool plane.i fly it (even thou im a horrible fighter pilot) it seems to kill bombers pretty easily..the bad thing is that it seems to want to glide too much so its a pain for me to land

:noid

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Zanth on March 03, 2007, 07:57:50 AM

Nah - now the Boston, there is a totally useless aircraft for ya.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Masherbrum on March 03, 2007, 10:52:19 AM

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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Really?  I didn't think they fought more than a couple of times.  Maybe I should enable it in my planesets.

It really is a good plane Benny.   Just don't yank hard on the stick around 425.   Get to know it's "limitations".     It will soon be a fun ride.   The gun package is the best of the entire planeset IMO.  

True account:   I was winging with OddCAF and Pamarrin when I was in CAF.   We rolled a Ta with 50%, and headed to a field.    Down low, I saw 2 La7's and told them to go easy on the throttle.    Odd being the kamikaze that he is, ripped his wings off in a dive :D .    Then Patch got mired in a 2 on 1.    I dove on the La7 which was on Patch's 6 and dispatched it.   I told Patch to "get out of here, and grab some cheap alt while he had some E."    He did, what happened next was witnessed by both, but Odd from a chute in the water.    I was turnfighting and La7 at 50ft.    I followed it around 360 degrees and said to myself "I shouldn't be doing this, I'm asking for it."    I turned with him a 2nd time, and gained a shot as he "loosened up his turn".   I pinged him, but not good enough.   He ran to his base.    Odd and I will still talk about that fight, because it was so surreal.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Widewing on March 03, 2007, 11:27:42 AM

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Originally posted by Zanth
Nah - now the Boston, there is a totally useless aircraft for ya.

Not at all... I was dueling LEADPIG's P-38G with a Boston and it held its own just fine. I might even have film of it as it was just a few weeks ago.

I've killed a pair of 109Fs with the Boston dogfighting in the EW arena. It turns well enough that if you don't take it seriously, it'll kill you.

It's one of my favorite dueling rides. Schatzi and I have dueled in Bostons for hours. Great fun. Airsys and I dueled Ju 88 vs Boston... The Boston owns the Ju 88 tho...

There's no useless aircraft, just unexplored opportunities.

My regards,

Widewing

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Masherbrum on March 03, 2007, 01:22:55 PM

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Originally posted by Widewing
There's no useless aircraft, just unexplored opportunities.

My regards,

Widewing

On top of that, the Boston can "move" quick once up to speed.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: frank3 on March 03, 2007, 01:36:39 PM

Hahaha oh man this thread was doomed to be a slaughter :lol
I think Johny got the point now guys, wow this is a massacre :D

EDIT: I didn't see we were already off-topic, I was referring to the replies of Johny's comment :)

Title: Re: Re: Re: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Xasthur on March 03, 2007, 10:39:40 PM

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Originally posted by 68Ripper
How can you compare the ta152 to a A10 Warthog? The A10 can make swiss cheese out of a tank. And the weapons system is nowhere near comparable.

I think that he was suggesting that 152 is quite good at tearing up ground targets.

My squad and I use 152s to clear the way for CVs.

Two 152s and ord is gone in less than 30 seconds, then we can prowl for bombers etc

152 is great and desperately needs a 'make-over'.

As someone said before somewhere here, 'It doesn't match my new purse'.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Masherbrum on March 04, 2007, 12:55:25 AM

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
True account:   I was winging with OddCAF and Pamarrin when I was in CAF.   We rolled a Ta with 50%, and headed to a field.    Down low, I saw 2 La7's and told them to go easy on the throttle.    Odd being the kamikaze that he is, ripped his wings off in a dive :D .    Then Patch got mired in a 2 on 1.    I dove on the La7 which was on Patch's 6 and dispatched it.   I told Patch to "get out of here, and grab some cheap alt while he had some E."    He did, what happened next was witnessed by both, but Odd from a chute in the water.    I was turnfighting and La7 at 50ft.    I followed it around 360 degrees and said to myself "I shouldn't be doing this, I'm asking for it."    I turned with him a 2nd time, and gained a shot as he "loosened up his turn".   I pinged him, but not good enough.   He ran to his base.    Odd and I will still talk about that fight, because it was so surreal.

Don't believe this, I'm now "full of it" as some have said in "so many words" in other threads.   They've been here longer, so it must be true!

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Ball on March 04, 2007, 01:59:54 AM

Problem with the Boston is it seems to have a damage model bug.  You ping it once from slightly under and from 6 o clock and it 1 ping disappears.

I got something like 16 of them in the same sortie, in the MW arena, in the 190A-5 a few months back by doing that.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: mussie on March 04, 2007, 03:00:46 AM

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Originally posted by Zanth
Nah - now the Boston, there is a totally useless aircraft for ya.

I have tangled with spits in a boston and won :)

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: blackdog68 on March 05, 2007, 12:36:00 PM

Got my first Ta-152 kill and thought of this thread.  He tried to go vert with my La-5.  Unfortunately for him, I had more E.

Title: replace the 152H with a 152H
Post by: moot on March 05, 2007, 10:05:55 PM

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Originally posted by Stang
Moot and Tarmac used to pawn winging 152's.

Hey hey hey!! Look at that.. :D

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Odd and I will still talk about that fight, because it was so surreal.

If you see XtrmeJ, ask him about flat turn tactics in his Spit versus my 152  :cool:

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Widewing on March 07, 2007, 04:44:41 AM

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
On top of that, the Boston can "move" quick once up to speed.

I should have filmed it... Last night I flew a series of duels flying the Boston III against pilots with lots of experience, some of whom would be instantly recognized if you saw their name. They were flying the Hurri IIC, Ki-84, P-38J, F4U-1 and P-38G.

Net result... The Boston is evil. Much, much more capable than most people would expect.

My regards

Widewing

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Anyone on March 07, 2007, 07:47:22 AM

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Originally posted by blackdog68
Got my first Ta-152 kill and thought of this thread.  He tried to go vert with my La-5.  Unfortunately for him, I had more E.

i did this to 3 F4us (2x1d and 1x 4)last night..... just constant high loops..... all of them stalling out.... yet they kept doing it and spraying out from 800...was kinda funny.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Jonny boy 8 on March 20, 2007, 04:38:56 PM

dam this is still going on:huh




p51drule:aok

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: quintv on March 20, 2007, 05:43:27 PM

err..

No, it wasn't.

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: Krusty on March 20, 2007, 06:22:57 PM

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Originally posted by quintv
err..

No, it wasn't.

quoted for truth

Title: get replace the ta 152
Post by: BaDkaRmA158Th on March 20, 2007, 08:40:18 PM

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Originally posted by Meatwad
Taylortanklover - aircraft style this time

I dunno why, but that is the most logical answer to me.
musta' been raised on tool time..oh..i guess i was.

Ugh..Ugh UUGH!


Baaaauh?