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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: TinmanX on February 27, 2007, 02:56:30 AM
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Linkie (http://www.kptv.com/news/11113819/detail.html)
This is across the headlines in my area. I have details as the "Grace" mentioned in the interview is my neighbors kid.
Basically they do this high-five like Goose and Mavrick off Top Gun, but instead of the second clap being a "low hand" they smack each others arses.
A substitute teacher saw two boys do it to and decided to call the police, who arrested the boys and put them in Juvey where they have been for 4 days now.
These two boys now face 10 years in Jail per arse they smacked and also they have to register as sex offenders.
They are 12 and 13.
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As the father of a 13 yr old boy and 12 yr old girl, i think that is one of the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard of. That school superintendent should be taken out back and beat.
NOT
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sounds like the 18 your old guy here in WI that got his 17 year old SENIOR Girlfriend pregnant, and the parents of BOTH knew, and "all was good" they got married whatever, then he got prosecuted as a sex offender, can never have contact with the mother or child, and at 19 has to register as a "sex offender" for "molesting" a child the rest of his life, wherever he goes.
it was even appealed to the governor fukn liberal Jim Doyle, and ignored... even the parents of the GIRL declined to "press charges" at the time, but the DA found out about it, and went on with the prosecution, and convicted in a 1 week case, with almost no real case, only a poor kid with a PD and almost no witnesses called. even the age of the "girl" wasn't brought up, or the parents of the "girl" in question, just he "impregnated" a minor, and to the jury made it sound like a 6 year old.
1/2 the state was pissed, and started a recall of the senator of the district, and the governor. (to no avail sadly)
GD fukn liberal bastards piss me off to no end, there is no fukn end to their madness, and insanity, no matter what their constituents say.
I want to burn every liberal democrat at the stake on the lawn in front of the reflection pool of the Washington monument.
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With ZIPPO fluid perhaps.
We could even record it and put it on the web...:t
P.S. I'll bring the marshmallows.
...but wouldn't that add to Global Warming, all that hot air being released at once?
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Originally posted by Xargos
With ZIPPO fluid perhaps.
We could even record it and put it on the web...:t
P.S. I'll bring the marshmallows.
...but wouldn't that add to Global Warming?
get the F on yahoo
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30 seconds later and that boyitch obeys ROFL :p
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Originally posted by Mustaine
sounds like the 18 your old guy here in WI that got his 17 year old SENIOR Girlfriend pregnant, and the parents of BOTH knew, and "all was good" they got married whatever, then he got prosecuted as a sex offender, can never have contact with the mother or child, and at 19 has to register as a "sex offender" for "molesting" a child the rest of his life, wherever he goes.
Close to the same thing has just happened to the son of a close friend of mine. The difference being that both were under 18 at the time she became pregnant. They have juggled the boy in and out of jail for some time now. Charges would get tossed. They would rewrite and reword the charges and reintroduce them. The parents of the girl has made statements to everyone they can think of in support of the young couple with no favorable results.
My friends son is now being held in county jail awaiting transport to Safe P.
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Sex before marriage is immoral.
"It's all good" by the parents doesn't exactly hold up in court. I don;t know what kind of backyard Pagan ritual those parents let their kids engage in, but they are bad examples of parents and solid American, Republican, and Christian values.
Those children must be forgiven, but still punished to the fullest extent of the law, and we will rejoice when society and the Lord wash the wickedness from their sinful, hedonistic ways.
The flames of Consequence will serve as a warning beacon to others who endeavor to engage in such disloyalty to the Lord.
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I have a vague recollection of when I was in 1st or 2nd grade and I had a crush on this girl in my class. Not really a "crush", I don't think I was old enough to get "the hots" for her, just interested in her like any red-blooded American boy would be at that age... Anyhoo, I expressed this interest by pinching her butt a few times. Immature, I know, but hey, I was 7 years old... long story short, she told a teacher, my parents were called, and they had "the talk" with me. story over. if that happened today I would probably be charged and branded a "sex offender". sheesh...
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Sex before marriage is immoral.
"It's all good" by the parents doesn't exactly hold up in court. I don;t know what kind of backyard Pagan ritual those parents let their kids engage in, but they are bad examples of parents and solid American, Republican, and Christian values.
Those children must be forgiven, but still punished to the fullest extent of the law, and we will rejoice when society and the Lord wash the wickedness from their sinful, hedonistic ways.
The flames of Consequence will serve as a warning beacon to others who endeavor to engage in such disloyalty to the Lord.
man sure is a good thing my sarcasm filter is working today....:lol
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Sex before marriage is immoral.
ohnoes, i is doomed.
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This is weird. You hear about violent youth all the time. Then you hear cases like this. What I don't understand is why you don't hear more about DA's getting shot or bludgeoned?
Were I placed in that position at 18 (when most of my g/f's were 17 or 16), I'd have hunted the man down with extreme prejudice. Had such action been taken against me when I was 12 or 13, pretty sure my father's reaction would have been the same (then again, I was hunting at age 11.....). Yes, I had a temper back then, was an avid hunter, and had a working knowledge of high explosives that I took with me into the Army. (Anyone else make purchases from those Loompanic's Unlimited catalogs in the '80's?) Guess I was both a sex offender and a terrorists when I was a young lad.
Sure was a lot of fun though.
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Freaking amazing. Why is it that you folks let people who would persecute children like this hold the positions they do in your schools and law enforcement?
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"McMinnville School Superintendent Maryalice Russell said the arrests were made because of alleged sex abuse and not because of the spanking."
Sounds like the spank shake is just a side issue.. maybe they crotch spanked some chick with a stiff finger.
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Ironic thread title Mustaine.
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How old must you be to have sex? 20?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
How old must you be to have sex? 20?
45 and counting if your name is JB88
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Originally posted by Nilsen
How old must you be to have sex? 20?
Legal age of consent varies by State.
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Sex before marriage is immoral.
I wouldn't say it was immoral, I'd say it was pretty damn good.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ball
45 and counting if your name is JB88
*snicker*
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Originally posted by tedrbr
(Anyone else make purchases from those Loompanic's Unlimited catalogs in the '80's?)
:aok
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Originally posted by DieAz
Legal age of consent varies by State.
.....or by how long you can outrun your older brothers in some states.
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Some pretty clever answers here. :D
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Sex before marriage is immoral.
"It's all good" by the parents doesn't exactly hold up in court. I don;t know what kind of backyard Pagan ritual those parents let their kids engage in, but they are bad examples of parents and solid American, Republican, and Christian values.
Those children must be forgiven, but still punished to the fullest extent of the law, and we will rejoice when society and the Lord wash the wickedness from their sinful, hedonistic ways.
The flames of Consequence will serve as a warning beacon to others who endeavor to engage in such disloyalty to the Lord.
:aok How you trying to blame this on liberals? This is conservativism at work.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
"McMinnville School Superintendent Maryalice Russell said the arrests were made because of alleged sex abuse and not because of the spanking."
Sounds like the spank shake is just a side issue.. maybe they crotch spanked some chick with a stiff finger.
Yes, apparently, 2 of the 150 girls interviewed by police (without either a parent or female officer present) made statements to the effect that these two boys "touched" their breasts.
Worth 20 years in jail?
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Maybe those two girls had crushes on the boys but the feeling was not reciprocated.
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your police state at work.
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OWNED
OWNED
OWNED
OWNED
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thats a prime example not of the decline of America, but of what happens when my rights as a parent are taken away by the govt and replaced by a kinder gentler world.
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^ yep.
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Originally posted by TinmanX
Yes, apparently, 2 of the 150 girls interviewed by police (without either a parent or female officer present) made statements to the effect that these two boys "touched" their breasts.
Worth 20 years in jail?
And "no" chance that the two girls out of 150 were coached toward that answer?... and the statement didn't say whether the "touch" was unwelcome or not.... no parent present? No female officer present? Sounds like a witch hunt.
IIRC from personal experience, coping a feel at age 12 or 13 just rated a slap a little under half the time. Maybe a little less. Occasionally a swift drop kick I'd remember for days.
Sure glad I ain't a kid these days. Can't drive. No fooling around. Drinking under age results in world crashing onto your head.
No wonder they just do drugs and play video games all the time. Least amount of static from it.
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and to think we drove around town with shotguns in our pick up trucks, friends in the back with shotguns plainly visible as we cruised around. no one thought it a big deal either
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Originally posted by TinmanX
Yes, apparently, 2 of the 150 girls interviewed by police (without either a parent or female officer present) made statements to the effect that these two boys "touched" their breasts.
Worth 20 years in jail?
I don't think 12, or 13 year old girls have breasts. A few might, but I don't know these things.
Todays laws on sexual abuse is just F*** upped. Kids at these ages don't know what they are doing. Aren't people in this country smart? Kids don't get educated about sex until the 5th grade or 6th grade. I remember in gym the first time they started talking about sex. They didn't even talk much about it either. OMG an 18 year old got a 17 year old pregnant. Who cares many people did that back then. A guy in my town about 30 was working in his backyard, and he had to take a leak. So he took a leak in a bush where no one could see his PP. Then someone saw him taking a leak but they didn't see his PP, called the Police and now he is a registered sex affender, for just taking a quick PP break. OMG someone is going to be registered as a sex affender because they took a leak in the woods on a hiking trip and some A hole saw them taking a leak. How can people charge such young kids that are just starting there puberty as sexual preditors. Sexual preditors are old men or women who had some sort of sexual contact with a minor. Now minors get these charges because they touched a minor. This is why I don't have a GF. I'm 18, and I'm a Junior and even most of the girls my age are dating 20 year olds and those that are avaible are 17-15 and I'm not going to risk it. F*** upped laws. To many kids have lost there rights to life because they touched a girl or guy some where because they didn't know they couldn't do that. Those parents should sue the state.
"OMG what a cute baby" "Yeah his only 5 month old, you want to hold him?" "Sure. OMFG your son just touched my breasts, I'M CALLING THE POLICE!"
Todays top news, a 5 month old baby is charged with sexual abuse by just touching a womans breast's. The baby was charged as an adult and was sentence to 40 years in prison. This is what the baby had to say after law officers intergated the 5 month old. "Blah,gu,bo,blejaj,splsss,uhnljsdojbua."
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Originally posted by VooWho
"OMG what a cute baby" "Yeah his only 5 month old, you want to hold him?" "Sure. OMFG your son just touched my breasts, I'M CALLING THE POLICE!"
"Blah,gu,bo,blejaj,splsss,uhnljsdojbua."
subtle VooWhoo, subtle :lol
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These boys are now charged with 10 counts of sexual abuse on the two girls, 10 years for each count.
Nice to know you'll be in Jail for the rest of your life when you're 12.
They've been in Juvey now for what? 4 days, they still haven't been allowed a visit from they're parents.
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roflcopters
i love it when sum1 else suffers the slings & arrows of injustice so i can be free
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There was a man driving down a suburb road. A girl ran from behind a bush in front of his car. He didn't even see her at all. He slams on the brakes, and comes to a stop just infront of her. He gets out of his car, grabs the little girl by her wrist and take her home to deride her in front of her parents.
He then gets charged with sexual assault and gets convicted...
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If “touching a breast” can get a kid 20 years in the slammer what would “playing doctor” get him? The death penalty?
You Americans are getting more and more hysterical (some of you anyways).
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The mistake those two boys made is they did not murder the girls afterwards, because if they had they would have only gotten a slap on the wrist and get put on meds for a few years.
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but but we have to protect the CHILDREN.
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I keep seeing similar cases lately, the guy locked for 20 years for consentual sex with another teenager, the teacher facing 40 yrs because of adware porn popups in the classroom Win 98 computer, 5 yr olds expelled for a kiss on the cheek...
The totally stupid thing is that at this rate, when, say 3 or 4 of every 10 people are registered sex offenders for whatever rearded reason a DA thought of, being on that list will no longer mean anything.
Hell, people will start trying to get put in it just to have that on a T-shirt of something...
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I don't know how many of you actually read the article. It seems there is quite a bit more than meets the eye, at least as far as the Superintendent is concerned. Here is a comment from the bottom of the article.
"McMinnville School Superintendent Maryalice Russell said the arrests were made because of alleged sex abuse and not because of the spanking."
I'm wondering if this is not a case of an agressive defense in media trial rather than something else. Has anyone been able to find anything else on this case recently?
I'm not taking a position on one side or the other in this case as it just doesn't sound quite right the way it was portrayed in the article. I'm wondering if we don't have 2 different situations being discussed as one.
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Maverick, I already explained what the "meet the eye" was earlier in the thread.
The two boys were released from Juvey late last night and and a forthcoming court appearance to look forward to.
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We did things far worst than spanking girls butts in school. Im sure the kids do far worst now. :p
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Originally posted by TinmanX
Maverick, I already explained what the "meet the eye" was earlier in the thread.
The two boys were released from Juvey late last night and and a forthcoming court appearance to look forward to.
Actually you didn't. All you indicated was that there were 10 counts of sexual offenses. Type and seriousness is indeterminate at this time.
Since the offenses are still being considered at the juvinile level the penalty can only extend to the 18th birthday. At that point their record is likely to be sealed. That means 6 years of some kind of penalty if they are adjudicated as guilty.
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Originally posted by TinmanX
Yes, apparently, 2 of the 150 girls interviewed by police (without either a parent or female officer present) made statements to the effect that these two boys "touched" their breasts.
Worth 20 years in jail?
Reading is of course optional.
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Originally posted by Viking
If “touching a breast” can get a kid 20 years in the slammer what would “playing doctor” get him? The death penalty?
You Americans are getting more and more hysterical (some of you anyways).
A degree in medicine?
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Originally posted by dmf
A degree in medicine?
didn't do that well on your SAT's, didja? :P
TOUCHING A BREAST is to 20 YEARS, as PLAYING DOCTOR is to ______
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Originally posted by Ball
45 and counting if your name is JB88
<-----------kicks ball across the o'club
------------------------------> CRASH!!!!!
sorry skuzzy. i'll pay for the window.
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America is sure good at taking away others freedom at such a young age.
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Where is lazs when you need a 'nannystate'.
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getting his nails done and picking out a new purse, his old purse is kinda ragged after that Tom Hardaway thread
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You know what I hate? I hate threads that start out stating something that is completely over the top obviously stupid then asks everyone to agree on how stupid it is.
Boy is that stupid.
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Originally posted by TinmanX
Reading is of course optional.
I was looking for something that came from a news source. Your statement didn't cite anything on it as to where it came from. I went back and reread the article that you did link and didn't see your statement there. That's why I said there was no further info. Obviously it's early in the case timeframe but it certainly is far more than just a bit of fanny patting by friends.
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Poor Mustaine. Got Pyro'd.
:cry
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Again? Sheesh.
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I've been away the last 2 nights. What did I miss?
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Dunno. I missed it too.
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He doesn't know either.:(
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I went and re-read his initial post. Best I can tell is a rule #7 violation. Dunno.
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It appears to be unedited.
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Poor Mustaine. Got Pyro'd.
:cry
For what?
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Por que?
I have no idea. That's what we've been trying to figure out.
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lol. If htey implimented laws like that HERE, id be one of 3 people NOT in jail, and the other two are mentally... "defficient".
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
I've been away the last 2 nights. What did I miss?
I was here on and off last couple of days and I dont even know whats going on.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You know what I hate? I hate threads that start out stating something that is completely over the top obviously stupid then asks everyone to agree on how stupid it is.
Boy is that stupid.
I agree.. that is stupid. Maybe you should start a thread about it.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
I was here on and off last couple of days and I dont even know whats going on.
Chasing fraudulent eBay auctions, eh?
hehe..
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I agree.. that is stupid. Maybe you should start a thread about it.
:rofl :aok :noid
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Chasing fraudulent eBay auctions, eh?
hehe..
oh yea, and its was fun too :t . I just wish I could be a fly on his wall when he found out his auctions got cancelled... :lol
Yeah, I just stare at my desk; but it looks like I'm working. I do that for probably another hour after lunch, too. I'd say in a given week I probably only do about fifteen minutes of real, actual, work.
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JB73 got PNG'd? For what?! :confused:
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Hehe, maybe YOU should be telling us what happened, Mr. "I have some experience with that."
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While I may or may not have some experience with PNG’ing I am not privy to the cause for PNG’ing except for my own, and I am not 73/Mustaine.
Who's the dude in your avatard btw?
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Stevie Ray Vaughan
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I don't think 12, or 13 year old girls have breasts.
My 12 yr old daughter does and has for 2 years now. I'd be pretty ticked off if some kid touched hers.
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While I may or may not have some experience with PNG’ing I am not privy to the cause for PNG’ing except for my own, and I am not 73/Mustaine.
I have to admit that I like Viking a whole lot better than I liked all your other personas on this board that got PNG'd :D
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Stevie Ray Vaughan
Oh really? Doesn't look like him at all. He must have been fairly young at the time.
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(http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g308/txflood77598/SRV.jpg)
Was actually taken not long after his alcohol and drug recovery in 1986 - 87. He wore that hat for a while soon after that, but not much before he died. So I would date that pic '87-'88 time period, a couple years before he died.
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Ah yes, the bigger picture is more like him.
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Originally posted by bsdaddict
didn't do that well on your SAT's, didja? :P
TOUCHING A BREAST is to 20 YEARS, as PLAYING DOCTOR is to ______
Nope I think I got the lowest in my class on them, I can't remember since I never had the money to got college anyway.
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Originally posted by takeda
5 yr olds expelled for a kiss on the cheek...
:eek:
In kindergarten girls and I did more than kiss each others' cheeks :lol and there definitely was something going on under the sheets they had us lay down to sleep in the gym, during afternoon nap.
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Originally posted by moot
:eek:
In kindergarten girls and I did more than kiss each others' cheeks :lol and there definitely was something going on under the sheets they had us lay down to sleep in the gym, during afternoon nap.
Do you have any idea how many ways of wrong that sounds?
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Sounds thoroughly right to me.
That kindergarten was heavenly in a lot of ways. The recess yard actually had a number of fruit trees.. Apples and oranges we could pick at will, but there were also small crops in a dedicated area.
e.g. we got to eat fresh tomatoes off those plants in reward for good grades... the cafeteria made some truly tasty plates... probably the best mashed potatoe fries (miniature animals) I've ever had (even accounting for nostalgic bias), the PE classes were always a lot of fun and tiring to the max... lots of tactical teamplay.
We got to fight without any teachers interrupting us unless it got too uneven or messy... jumping the wall to the other section, to defend my little brother from bullying was never punished...
I aced everything, and didn't even regret putting up with the only downs - 1 racist wench of a teacher, and another one that was just elitist and favorizing, he'd hang you by the collar on the walls' jacket hooks, or give me **** for acing his assignments..
e.g. He'd have us write his lecturing, to practice orthography and grammar. Those that admitted wanting hints, he had come up to his desk, where the proof was, and ask which word they most suspect they got wrong.
He'd hid the word under his hand and send you back to your desk..
I raised my hand, and once at his desk, lied :D
But about the shagging... if you think that was bad.. you oughta seen what happened outside of school :lol
If there was a reason to have my kids grow up in france, this would be one.
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Maybe Amerika should stop trying to give freedome to other nations and start working on self.... wonderful idea eh?
I guess following this retarded 'logic', I was 'raped' since my first was year older than I..... :lol
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Originally posted by moot
Sounds thoroughly right to me.
That kindergarten was heavenly in a lot of ways. The recess yard actually had a number of fruit trees.. Apples and oranges we could pick at will, but there were also small crops in a dedicated area.
e.g. we got to eat fresh tomatoes off those plants in reward for good grades... the cafeteria made some truly tasty plates... probably the best mashed potatoe fries (miniature animals) I've ever had (even accounting for nostalgic bias), the PE classes were always a lot of fun and tiring to the max... lots of tactical teamplay.
We got to fight without any teachers interrupting us unless it got too uneven or messy... jumping the wall to the other section, to defend my little brother from bullying was never punished...
I aced everything, and didn't even regret putting up with the only downs - 1 racist wench of a teacher, and another one that was just elitist and favorizing, he'd hang you by the collar on the walls' jacket hooks, or give me **** for acing his assignments..
e.g. He'd have us write his lecturing, to practice orthography and grammar. Those that admitted wanting hints, he had come up to his desk, where the proof was, and ask which word they most suspect they got wrong.
He'd hid the word under his hand and send you back to your desk..
I raised my hand, and once at his desk, lied :D
But about the shagging... if you think that was bad.. you oughta seen what happened outside of school :lol
If there was a reason to have my kids grow up in france, this would be one.
so let me get this straight, in France 2 6 year olds having sex is acceptable?
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lol
no harm, no foul.. it's not like we got adults' permission.
It's not like we imitated anyone or anything either. We just did what we felt like.
As a matter of fact, one girl's parents did get mad once, but, herself, she didn't regret anything. It didn't change anything for us.
Specificaly, there was no actual vanilla intercourse, but there was a lot of experimenting and discovering. We were just kids.
Love was in the air.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
You know what I hate? I hate threads that start out stating something that is completely over the top obviously stupid then asks everyone to agree on how stupid it is.
Boy is that stupid.
I didn't ask anyone to agree with me though the laws around this way are getting out of hand. No law can do this unless it is passed and all this is a part of Measure 11 which the folks around here voted to have and now when it is (over) enforced they realize what it is they have done to themselves.
The two girls who made the claims against the boys - like I said - without a lawyer, parent or female officer present have come out and stated that they were pressured into making those statements (big surprise). The boys are now out of juvenile hall but still have a court date or 4 to look forward to.
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Somebody remind me NEVER to move to France, No Offense intended moot, but I swear to god if anybody touches my 5 year old daughter I'll kill them myself. I don't care how old they are.
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and if your daughter touches some little boy will you kill her?
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Originally posted by rpm
:aok How you trying to blame this on liberals? This is conservativism at work.
Horsepucky. The libs are in charge of schools and responsible for the "zero tolerance" BS.
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ya man if i had to go to jail for 10 years id throw that BS all over the news so the whole US would know about it. then my dad would hunt down these morons and beat the living #### out of these people.
you know what i dont freaking get. why its always the boys fault. the girl smacked his but too. so wouldn't she be a "sex offender" this whole story is BS. i think the way society thinks about sex offenders at such a yound age as 12 and 13 is total BS. i mean if it was a 30 year old guy doing it to a 13 year old girl then maybe.
i have another thing. what if the 2 girls they interviewed thought the 2 boys were annoying. they could easily make a up a simple lie that the boys touched them. also what if the boys shoulder accidentally bummped the girl and it hit here breast. the girl could simply make up a lie and it would be all the boys fault. see its BS becuase if that girl would have hit that kid in a private part she would have got a "talk" and then maybe a detition or something. but i dont know these liberals need to be shot.
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Originally posted by john9001
and if your daughter touches some little boy will you kill her?
My daughter won't be doing crap like that.
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err if freedom is underage sex, and pre-teens messing around with each other....then I don't won't that kind of freedom for my kids....
you lot must think a couple of twelve year olds are completely unable to damage someone elses kids...if my twins pulled this kind of rubbish they wouldn't be sitting down for a year
Tronsky
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Growing up in America must be a lot of fun. Now I understand why you have so many school shootings. :confused:
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Originally posted by -tronski-
if my twins pulled this kind of rubbish they wouldn't be sitting down for a year
But then you would be in prision for touching childrens butts...:lol
sorry, its late and i can't sleep...
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Originally posted by dmf
Somebody remind me NEVER to move to France, No Offense intended moot, but I swear to god if anybody touches my 5 year old daughter I'll kill them myself. I don't care how old they are.
Like john said.. I did not keep track of statistics, but the girls were as bad as us boys.
With all due respect to you dmf, what you say sounds just like what muslim friends (boys) used to say (repeat) about their female relatives, no matter their age, experience, social standing; all that mattered was furthering the traditions to a tee, as passed on to them, not if they made sense... Italians' "sticking to their own", Muslims' same..
See where this leads to?
I certainly never flirted for long with any girl that didnt want to.. there was no interest in it. They were boring.
I knew a good time when I saw it, grabbed it and ran with it.. most of us did.
In fact I'm pretty sure we were very normal. The screwed up kids were, for example, the ones overly restricted, who actually couldn't resist breaking their boundaries.
I mean, look at me today.. I'm so fair, I only think that I could have thieved a wallet minutes after giving it in to Lost&Found. I strive for fairness in relationships even at my own cost... I don't contribute to relatives and acquaintances' self-damaging, and if, in conflict, the opponents need my help to fight their best.. then it's done.
edit- I thought about it, and I think I see what your beef with all this is.
You're thinking about this from an adult's perspective. We weren't adults. "sex" was just a word adults hushed about, I remember noticing that word real easily in newspapers and TV program magazines.. it was a mysterious thing :D.
We were like adam and eve before they ever "realized" being naked was "bad". We enjoyed free fruits in the garden, effort in PE, and good food, good games and everything the same way: it just felt good, and right.
I do think this is one of those things like guns in the US. Guns wouldn't work anywhere else, and I do think those days couldn't have happened as they did if it weren't us, living it there and then.
I mean other kids such as yours or Tronski's, for ex. (no offense, again), would not have handled it well.
In any case we had a great time, and a few of us did see each other again years later... we got away with any condemnation then, and today is too late for punishment :p
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ok I must be missing something really important here because after reading the first few lines it sounds to me like your comparing me to a muslim, on the grounds that I don't want my 5 year old knowing or learning about sex until shes ready.
Heres a bit of info about the US, its not generally acceptable to go around touching private areas of children, even if your a child yourself. People go to prison over that subject
Oh and please don't compare me to a muslim, pick something higher on the civilization scale.
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Yea, pick someone who like invented algebra and chemistry and numbers and crap.. not those pesky muslims.
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Ok, first, I know it's malicious, but I sort of let you run on the assumption that I implied we had sex, and it you ran with it (I don't see why it would justify your reaction if we had, anyway).
We just did a lot of cuddling; hotdog+donut mechanics were lost on us. I only found out about that a few years later.
The closest thing to obscene that we got to was an intense attraction to each others' warmth and softness (is this corny enough yet?).. is that taboo? Too erotic? Even kitten and piglets show the same impulses.. Are you really of the opinion that it's unnatural?
My point was to show that, like I said, you're seeing what I'm saying through the eyes of an (above most protective) adult, that's concerned about preserving a kid's innocence... So tell me what it is in what I've said that violated it? My point was exactly to say how innocent that time was, sheltered fruit gardens and all.
Second, can I assume you typed faster than you considered what you meant, pigeonholing a sizeable portion of the planet's population to some vaguely bigotted caricature because their religion happens to be the present Evil du jour?
People go to prison over that subject
Bandwagon argument.
Long story short, it's a matter of culture shock, which you've surely noticed accounts for endless arguments about, for example, guns in the USA vs. guns in almost anywhere else in the world.
Italians, for example, have this very famous romantic quality - but make no mistake, the sort of things we lived that I meant to translate into text when I referred to them in those small anecdotes, is exactly that sort of quality, which as it happens, just does not happen in the US.
Just like the US "forbids" naked anatomy on pharmaceutical advertisement, etc. Arguing that would be just as absurd.
its not generally acceptable to go around touching private areas of children, even if your a child yourself.
You've read 1984?
Like I said, we did all we did consensually, after knowing each other for a long while.. it was really sweet.. no one got hurt.. some adults screeched repression in some sort of moral turmoil we had never seen before when they "caught" us all bundled in each others bedsheets.. And to this day I still laugh at how nevrotic and off topic that reaction is.
But anyway, we knew what we wanted, and some bitter, acrid, tired old overseers who obviously had no idea how happy and in love we were, were not going to spoil it for us.
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(cues mandolin)
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no **** :lol
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moot, it happened/happens in the USA, we as children did not tell the adults about it, because like all fun things that kids do (like swimming in the river) they would just get upset.
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Originally posted by moot
Ok, first, I know it's malicious, but I sort of let you run on the assumption that I implied we had sex, and it you ran with it (I don't see why it would justify your reaction if we had, anyway).
We just did a lot of cuddling; hotdog+donut mechanics were lost on us. I only found out about that a few years later.
The closest thing to obscene that we got to was an intense attraction to each others' warmth and softness (is this corny enough yet?).. is that taboo? Too erotic? Even kitten and piglets show the same impulses.. Are you really of the opinion that it's unnatural?
My point was to show that, like I said, you're seeing what I'm saying through the eyes of an (above most protective) adult, that's concerned about preserving a kid's innocence... So tell me what it is in what I've said that violated it? My point was exactly to say how innocent that time was, sheltered fruit gardens and all.
Second, can I assume you typed faster than you considered what you meant, pigeonholing a sizeable portion of the planet's population to some vaguely bigotted caricature because their religion happens to be the present Evil du jour?
Bandwagon argument.
Long story short, it's a matter of culture shock, which you've surely noticed accounts for endless arguments about, for example, guns in the USA vs. guns in almost anywhere else in the world.
Italians, for example, have this very famous romantic quality - but make no mistake, the sort of things we lived that I meant to translate into text when I referred to them in those small anecdotes, is exactly that sort of quality, which as it happens, just does not happen in the US.
Just like the US "forbids" naked anatomy on pharmaceutical advertisement, etc. Arguing that would be just as absurd.
You've read 1984?
Like I said, we did all we did consensually, after knowing each other for a long while.. it was really sweet.. no one got hurt.. some adults screeched repression in some sort of moral turmoil we had never seen before when they "caught" us all bundled in each others bedsheets.. And to this day I still laugh at how nevrotic and off topic that reaction is.
But anyway, we knew what we wanted, and some bitter, acrid, tired old overseers who obviously had no idea how happy and in love we were, were not going to spoil it for us.
Bandwagon argument? Like I said remind me not to ever move to France
You've read 1984? Yea its just a book it never really happened, its called fiction over here, I don't know what the rest of the world calls it.
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Well I guess you're not one to give up having the last word, and don't care to see things thru others' eyes.
I'll respect that.
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Originally posted by dmf
Like I said remind me not to ever move to France
Just as well. I have a feeling you wouldn't be welcome; at least not with your sentiments.
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Originally posted by moot
Well I guess you're not one to give up having the last word, and don't care to see things thru others' eyes.
I'll respect that.
Sorry moot but when your a mother you tend to be a little defensive about who does what to your child.
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Originally posted by Viking
Just as well. I have a feeling you wouldn't be welcome; at least not with your sentiments.
Trust me thats not the only reason they wouldn't want me in France.
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I have no doubt ;)