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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: aerosaber on February 27, 2007, 07:55:57 PM
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Sure would like to see the B-25.
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Or a B29?
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Originally posted by SuperDud
Or a B29?
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Priorities, priorities.
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A-26! W00t!
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Originally posted by nirvana
A-26! W00t!
I'll second and so-0n that one..! :aok :aok :aok
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B-25 would make for some nice "Dolittle" scenarios in the SEA arena.
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Originally posted by Denholm
B-25 would make for some nice "Dolittle" scenarios in the SEA arena.
You mean create a "modified" B-25 entry to the plane set; missing some weapons to save weight, loaded with minimal ordnance, taking off from a CV, into a brisk headwind at 0 altitude (and dependent on the the CV moving into the wind), and watching 1/2 the participants still put the bird into the drink on failed launch attempts?
Modeling a B-25 is one thing: modifying that model to recreate Doolittle's raid is something else.
B-25; little more ord than B-26, but a little slower than a B-26.
Rather have something to spend all my buff perkies on other than the Arado.
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im shure its not hard to make ordance loadout an option for the CV, (meaning if it carryed 4000lbs on land then only alow a 2000lbs loadout on the CV) whatever the loadout was, as for the guns just map it so you get no ammo if you take it from the CV)
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I think you're coming at the wrong angle. If we can takeoff in Lancasters from carriers, we wouldn't have any issues taking a B-25 off a carrier. I'm not saying, "Please modify the plane for sea standards as of the Dolittle raids." I'm simply saying, the B-25 would be a nice addidtion for the SEA arena if they wanted to make some sort of a Dollitle raid.
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i would say yes to the b25, but we alredy have 4 heavy/med (or is A-20G light?) and 2 light/dive bombers from the US (6 total for u knuckle heads that didnt learns their math) id rather see the Halifax Mk. 3 or 7 (mid/late war varrients that only had minor flaws compared to the Mk. 1,2 or 5)
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Well, practical problem with Doolittle Raid in SEA then.
Sixteen B-25's carried 4 500# bombs each. No escort. No tail guns. Japanese did not know they were coming. Total surprise.
SEA event. Both sides have a good idea what's happening. B-25's on the deck w/o escort, w/o tail guns, would be dead meat against Japanese defenders.
I agree with Nemeth too; I argue for the A-26 because it's a perkable ride (that's not the B-29); otherwise, the plane sets of other countries need additions before U.S. plane sets gets another bomber. Soviets, Germans, Japanese, and English could all use additional bombers for SEA before American plane set.
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You're still mis-understanding me. I never said "Take the guns out of the bombers so it's realistic for the SEA arena". I said a B-25 could make an interesting scenario for the SEA arena, such as the Dolittle raids.
Nothing in AH is realistic, only the pilots of WWII would know if it is or not. So who says you have to make it as close to the actual event as possible to have fun? This simulator is here so we can have fun, if it means twisting history a little and calling it the mission name of one that is in history, then so be it.
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i like his point (twisted but good) ferthermore i think every aircraft should be on the list of things we need (but some have priority over others) the B29 even if i want it, should be close to last. the B25 should be close to us getting.
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The Doolittle Raid was ONE operation utilizing the B-25. There were thousands.
IMHO, the B-25 would be a welcome addition to the game, not only due to its flexibility as an attacker/bomber but also because in a lot of people's minds, it is an iconic symbol of the era. I flew B-25's almost exclusively in AW and really miss it here.
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Originally posted by Denholm
You're still mis-understanding me. I never said "Take the guns out of the bombers so it's realistic for the SEA arena".
I believe in the book and in the movie...They took the guns out at sea
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So now you're trying to patronize me? SEA... Special Events Arena.
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Easy to tell which should come first IMNSHO.
How many sorties did the B-25 fly?
How many sorties did the A-26 fly?
The one with the most sorties should be added first.
Bronk
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New to the game, new to the site...I was checking out the list of planes, and was actually surprised to *not* see the B-25 listed. I've learned the ins/outs of the B-25s my entire life, being as my grandfather was an armor for B-25s in the South Pacific...to me, the B-25 is *it*. Anyway, I searched and saw that it was covered elsewhere, but a Doolittle Raid scenario needs consideration as well. I mean, one of the first offensives in the Pacific theatre for the US, and one of the few bright spots in the early part of that conflict. A direct assault of mainland Japan, think of the logistics back then...heck, even the Japanese dismissed the possibility of such happenings, which is why they dismissed sightings of US bombers from fishing boats and even from the populus over the mainland.
Sorry to go on, but the B-25 was pretty a pretty important piece of the puzzle...
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Originally posted by Bronk
Easy to tell which should come first IMNSHO.
How many sorties did the B-25 fly?
How many sorties did the A-26 fly?
The one with the most sorties should be added first.
Bronk
If considering a perkable bomber for buff drivers to spend buff perk points on other than the Arado, the A-26 is a good choice. Other than the B-29, which we won't see, and some German bombers with guided munitions, which we won't see, perkable bombers are very few and far between.
If simply adding another bomber to the plane set, a plane set that already consists of:
American: 26 planes including 6 CV-launched, medium, and heavy bombers as well as 6 vehicles.
British: 15 planes including 2 bombers.
German: 18 planes including 3 bombers and additional 3 vehicles.
Russian: 5 planes including 1 attack plane and additional 1 vehicle.
Japanese: 8 planes including 3 bomber/attack craft.
Italians: 2 planes.
There are many other notable planes that can be added to even up the planeset and support the SEA events, ToD, as well as the EW and MW arenas before the addition of yet another American plane.
The He-188, Petlyakov Pe-2, Bristol Beaufighter, Handley Page Halifax, Nakajima Ki 43 Hayabusa, Ilyushin Il-4 or Il-10, Betty bomber. There are SEA and AvA (and possibly ToD) reasons to bring some of them in, among other planes that could be considered, which also benefit the few pilots that fly EW and MW arenas.
If looking to add a perk ride, I vote Invader. If just looking to add to planeset; I vote add to other countries first to even things out a bit.
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okay the only reason they ditched the guns and wieght cuz they had to launch from 200 miles thatn the wanted to. so all the extra wieght was ditched so they could carry more fuel. a b25 with less ammo and less wieght would not be required.
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Originally posted by Denholm
So now you're trying to patronize me? SEA... Special Events Arena.
oops, sry bout that