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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 1K3 on February 28, 2007, 02:07:56 PM
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Yup i think Ki 61 is the jap equivalent of spit 5 (or seafire) with long range endurance!. The Ki 61 is as fast as Spit 5, climbs as fast as Spit 5, and it turns like Spit 5. Spit5/seafire and Ki 61 's armament have the same lethality. Spit 5's cannons fires slow but packs heavy explosives. Ki 61's cannons has high ROF but the explosive power is not as spectacular as Spit5/seaf.
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Originally posted by 1K3
and it turns like Spit 5
Not in this game:D
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The cannons on the Ki61 have a *lot* of "drop" in them. While it's manuverable it also has problems, and I would not directly equate it to the Spit5.
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Originally posted by duh
Not in this game:D
Get the 61 slow and pop its flaps out ... it will turn with a Spit V easily.
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I dunno about the 61 but I've been flying the ki-84 a lot lately and it's a awesome little plane. I dunno how close it is to the 61 as I've never tried it, but the 84 seems to suffer from bullet drop as well.
In 38's and spits my two prior favorites, I could land some kills with long distance pop shots every so often, however in the Ki you really need to run down the target. Other wise you would have to be extremely luckly to get a kill from a pop shot out of a Ki.
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I have no problem turning with Spit5's in the Ki61, and that is with flaps up.
I do NOT shoot until 200 out anyways so "drop" is not an issue for me. It's VERY underrated.
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Many dont fly it cuz it has the wrong national emblem, imho. Its one of the more underrated a/c in AH, and always has been.
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As Karaya and squire have said, Yes, It is the most underrated plane in the game. If the cannon shell drop seems to be somewhat of an issue, remember that the cannons are cowl-mounted, and since convergence is not an issue, Just go ahead and run them all the way out to 650. Remember also since convergence works in both the vertical and horizontal planes, you can compensate for the drop easier than if you had your convergence set closer. IMHO, this plane is a MW monster that nobody flies.
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They're not even close. The Spitfire Mark V has a significantly tighter turn radius, both with flaps and without.
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huh........
C202 is the real SpitV killer :)
RTR
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I think of the KI61 more like the Japanese P40E. Or 109F. They both create matchups for the P40E.
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C2 flops a lot. Its flaps suck. While it has decent manuverability it's nothing compared to the rails the SpitV flies on. Also, I've flown them a lot, and just last night flew a few sorties with the c202. You really have to sit there on a target's tail pounding away for countless seconds. All a spitV needs is a 1/2 second snapshot as you zoom past its nose, and BAM you're dead.
Ki61 a better match due to the 20mms (it also can take snapshots) but still not as smooth as the spitV. Mind you I like the -61 and the 202, but I don't think they're as manuverable as the Spit. You can, however, kill spits in them. Just don't get into slow-speed turning circles :)
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Originally posted by SlapShot
Get the 61 slow and pop its flaps out ... it will turn with a Spit V easily.
Not anymore. Flaps out, the F6F flies circles around the Ki-61. The last drag model update turned the Ki-61 flaps into little more than speed brakes.
According to the US Navy, the Ki-61 should turn very much like the FM-2. It doesn't come close. Just one of those things that HTC can't look at now with their current work load.
(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/TonyExcerpt.gif)
My regards,
Widewing
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I think the 109/P40 comparison is a bit more apt, at least according to my seatofthepantsometer.
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When I see a Ki61 trying to attack me, I start to think about what I left off the grocery list, will the O's have a winning season...and why DOES a 8 foot tall Wookie live on Endor, a planet with little teeny Ewoks... It doesnt make SENSE!
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Originally posted by bj229r
When I see a Ki61 trying to attack me, I start to think about what I left off the grocery list, will the O's have a winning season...and why DOES a 8 foot tall Wookie live on Endor, a planet with little teeny Ewoks... It doesnt make SENSE!
Hehe, I liked that one.
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Wookies don't live on Endor, silly! They live on Kashyyk!
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Maybe it's just me but I don't see the Ki-61 as being all that special or even hard to fight against. Honestly, I've never had a difficult time fighting one in the P-38. I know if I get one in a slow/stall speed fight, I'm going to come away the winner and if I can get one that is dumb enough to follow me up in the vertical, again, I know I'm going to come out the winner.
Although, my squadron mate Odege swears by it and he is pretty damn good in it.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Maybe it's just me but I don't see the Ki-61 as being all that special or even hard to fight against. Honestly, I've never had a difficult time fighting one in the P-38. I know if I get one in a slow/stall speed fight, I'm going to come away the winner and if I can get one that is dumb enough to follow me up in the vertical, again, I know I'm going to come out the winner.
Although, my squadron mate Odege swears by it and he is pretty damn good in it.
ack-ack
Yea but your p-38 has a extra feature it disappears!!! The only time I've fought you, I was turning in on you then next thing you you I lost you.. I 'm like where did he go? Then two or three secods late I'm getting shot up from my 6.. :cry
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I think the 109/P40 comparison is a bit more apt, at least according to my seatofthepantsometer.
I agree, always felt more 109-like to me vs. spit-like.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
They're not even close. The Spitfire Mark V has a significantly tighter turn radius, both with flaps and without.
I guess you can't turn the Ki61 good then. "Significantly"? I guess it depends on who's flying the 61. :aok I'll wax the floor with Spit's in a 61.
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Masherbrum, look it up on Netaces. The Spitfire does have a tighter turn (about 15%). I don't fly the thing but I dogfight it on a regularly basis in my P-38 and, like Ack-Ack, almost always emerge victorious, even when flown by a good pilot. I kind of feel sorry for those who fly it. It really is similar to the P-40.
Originally posted by Krusty
Wookies don't live on Endor, silly! They live on Kashyyk!
Ha ha ha, Knights of the Old Republic nerd!
... Uh, not that I'd know where you got that from. No, not me. I just ... uh, oh crud.
P.S. Light side is better.
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Originally posted by Benny Moore
Masherbrum, look it up on Netaces. The Spitfire does have a tighter turn (about 15%). I don't fly the thing but I dogfight it on a regularly basis in my P-38 and, like Ack-Ack, almost always emerge victorious, even when flown by a good pilot. I kind of feel sorry for those who fly it. It really is similar to the P-40.
If you say so. It's a good thing ego is handy. Some seem to be more hell bent on ego these days. I don't need to look anything up, I have NO PROBLEM keeping up with Spits in turns, climbs, dives, roll, scissors, loops, Immelmann's, Cuban 8's, etc. The Ki61 is JUST AS good as any plane in the entire set.
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After reading this thread today I decided to try out the KI-61 for the 2nd time.
My assesment: It's not a Spit V but it's not a P-40 either. I'd equate it to a better rolling but slower C.205.
Just my impression after 3 flights and not knowing the plane.
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Originally posted by crockett
Yea but your p-38 has a extra feature it disappears!!! The only time I've fought you, I was turning in on you then next thing you you I lost you.. I 'm like where did he go? Then two or three secods late I'm getting shot up from my 6.. :cry
I have a feeling its all down hill from here.....
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Originally posted by crockett
Yea but your p-38 has a extra feature it disappears!!! The only time I've fought you, I was turning in on you then next thing you you I lost you.. I 'm like where did he go? Then two or three secods late I'm getting shot up from my 6.. :cry
Poor SA on your part does not constitute cheating on ACK-ACK's part.
*crockett* Hey where'd he goooooooooooooo.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Bronk
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Took the 61 up for a few hops this evening, for the first time in ages. I like it, but I still don't think it's spitlike.
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The Ki-61 can hold it's own against many planes in the MW arena. Not enough pilots/action there to drawn me to MW though.
In LW, I've found the Ki-61 a nice diversion at times, although it is outclassed by most planes you'll commonly find there. I've found it has two functions it can be pretty good at:
Ki-61 probably the best Japanese dive bomber in the game, and maybe one of the best JABOS aside from some very heavy ord carrying planes (jugs, ponies, 38's, etc.). 250 kg GP bombs (551lbs --- 1,102 lbs altogether). 2x20 mm Ho-5 120 rpg. I've finished off the odd damaged CV or two with Ki-61's.
The slow firing 20mm cannons I've used against GV's with some success (as well as dropping 2 - 551 lbs bombs on them), especially when Flak guns are around the area. The speed of the Ki-61 has helped in some situations, where slower ground attack planes would get chewed up.
Not sure if the cannon's for Ki-61 have changed in last version or two, last couple anti-GV runs have been less successful than my average.
Can't compare it to a Spit, since I don't fly Spits that often to rate or compare them. The Klown Kar is a fun ride at times though.
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Originally posted by Bronk
Poor SA on your part does not constitute cheating on ACK-ACK's part.
*crockett* Hey where'd he goooooooooooooo.
:rofl :rofl :rofl
Bronk
ever hear of sarcasm...
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Apologies, took it as another whine.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Apologies, took it as another whine.
Bronk
How nice you can apologize and give grief in the same sentence, you are truly a seasoned keyboard ninja..
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*sigh*
Not you , I meant another whine in general.
Sheessh don't take it so personal.
Bronk
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Originally posted by crockett
Yea but your p-38 has a extra feature it disappears!!! The only time I've fought you, I was turning in on you then next thing you you I lost you.. I 'm like where did he go? Then two or three secods late I'm getting shot up from my 6.. :cry
Most likely the fight was progressing into a Luftberry and I had enough energy to pull into a loop and cut inside your turn. Which would explain why you lost sight of me since you expected me to turn with you, instead I went vertical to cut the angle.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Most likely the fight was progressing into a Luftberry and I had enough energy to pull into a loop and cut inside your turn. Which would explain why you lost sight of me since you expected me to turn with you, instead I went vertical to cut the angle.
ack-ack
Yea the post was meant more as a compliment than anything. Meaning you killed me before I knew what happened. :rolleyes:
I was was turning in on you and next thing I know, I lost you only to see you dropping in from above on my 6. So I only lasted about 20 or 30 seconds the only time I came up again you.
:furious I want a rematch lol
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http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=ki61&p2=spit5
However, you need to take into account that some pilots are smart enough to drain the wing fuel tanks of the Ki first.
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Ki 61 has a very sturdy airframe with more room for improvement
Imagine how it would be like if this little monster had a DB605 engine + MW-50 boost (found in Bf 109G-14s)...:p
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Originally posted by OOZ662
http://www.gonzoville.com/ahcharts/index.php?p1=ki61&p2=spit5
However, you need to take into account that some pilots are smart enough to drain the wing fuel tanks of the Ki first.
Which is EXACTLY why I have NO PROBLEMS turning with Spits.
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I've found it doesn't matter if you drain wing tanks vs fuse tanks first. You have the same net weight on you, it only matters if you get into severe rolling scissors or something. So I just leave it on auto drain and I still do perfectly fine with it in dogfights. I don't think that'd effect it much.
EDIT: I like longer sorties, mind you. I like 30 mins of fuel when I take off, or more.
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The issue in most of these debates though, is that people always say "I noticed," "I think," "I experienced." Perception is an odd thing; it's not an exact measure of the abilities of the aircraft. I've had many a time where I thought a plane was the absolute ultimate aircraft for my style, when in reality I had simply fought a bunch of noobs with their stall limiters on that night.
Be careful gauging with perception and not data.
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Originally posted by Krusty
I've found it doesn't matter if you drain wing tanks vs fuse tanks first. You have the same net weight on you, it only matters if you get into severe rolling scissors or something. So I just leave it on auto drain and I still do perfectly fine with it in dogfights. I don't think that'd effect it much.
EDIT: I like longer sorties, mind you. I like 30 mins of fuel when I take off, or more.
It DOES make a difference. It's just like the 205 in that it's roll rate and turning ability increases.
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It makes a difference in roll rate, for sure. Draining any wing tanks does.
However, it ONLY makes a difference in turn if you burn them all off to lighten the plane. That will save you maybe a couple hundred pounds.
The problem is that if you WANT the longer flight time, and you take 75% or even 100% internal fuel, you're going to have more gas onboard. In this situation, it doesn't matter which tanks you burn first, you're going to turn the same.
Example: Burn off 50 gallons to get to the fight. In situation 1 you burn off aux (fuse) tank first. You still have N gallons of weight in your air frame as you start turning.
Situation 2: you burn off wing tanks first, say this equals 50 gallons (whatever). You STILL get to the fight and start turning with N gallons onboard. So your overall turn performance won't be affected by draining one tank vs the other, you're still going to drain the same amount of fuel before you get to a fight.
Given equal start points and equal combat times, your turn will be the same. Roll yes, turn no.
EDIT: This is just for debate mind you. Fly however the heck you like. Somebody once asked me if I drained the Center tank on the Ki84 first when I fly it. He said it flew like a zeke on steroids. What he didn't realize is that it is the largest fuel tank on the aircraft, and when fully drained you have lost 60%-75% of your total fuel (and you're so light because you're almost out of gas).
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Originally posted by Krusty
EDIT: This is just for debate mind you. Fly however the heck you like. Somebody once asked me if I drained the Center tank on the Ki84 first when I fly it. He said it flew like a zeke on steroids. What he didn't realize is that it is the largest fuel tank on the aircraft, and when fully drained you have lost 60%-75% of your total fuel (and you're so light because you're almost out of gas).
Krusty, I'm not upset and don't even consider this a debate. All is good!
I normally take 50% in both Ki's. But will grab 50% and DT's more than likely on the Ki84. The Ki61's range is just sick. I cannot remember the last time I took 100% in it.
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Sounds to me a little contest needs to take place. And not only a contest, but some 'real' life trials with the best pilots here in their best planes. Not just a furball but lets see if in AH a Ki-61 can out turn a SpitV.
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Originally posted by Uriah
Sounds to me a little contest needs to take place. And not only a contest, but some 'real' life trials with the best pilots here in their best planes. Not just a furball but lets see if in AH a Ki-61 can out turn a SpitV.
No need for a trial.... The Ki-61 cannot out-turn a Spitfire Mk.V, not even close.
One pilot may out-turn another, but given equal pilots, the Ki-61 is toast.
My regards,
Widewing
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Theres alot of planes in here that I use the ammo load to dictate the fuel load. If my ammo is gone in 30 mins of flying, having 1 hour of gas is'nt needed.
And I agree with Widewing.
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Originally posted by Widewing
No need for a trial.... The Ki-61 cannot out-turn a Spitfire Mk.V, not even close.
One pilot may out-turn another, but given equal pilots, the Ki-61 is toast.
My regards,
Widewing
I have NO problem turning with Spit 5's. If I can make a Ki-61 TURN WITH a Spit 5, than maybe I'm good?
Will I be able to turn with a Spit 1 or Hurricane 1? Doubt it, then again, I rarely see someone flying either Mk.1. Maybe 20 of us total will fly em, and I am now flying in the LWA's.
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(http://home.att.net/~c.c.jordan/Ki-61-Turning.jpg)
My regards,
Widewing
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Here is what Karaya has been saying all along:
"He has no problems turning WITH Spit 5's in the Arenas. What this translates to is the following: "He knows the Ki61's abilities better than the Spit 5 stick. "
I will turnfight this "so called POS" on the deck and win. I do it consistently, and effectively. I do not use flaps, instead I find it is better to manipulate throttle.
No numbers needed because frankly numbers (specifications) don't help you in the MA environment. Again, since most of the folks that play this game think I'm "full of it". Look at my stats from last month and this month. My hit % also squashes the "bullet dropping theory".
Lastly, The Ki61 is right behind the Spit and Hurry 1's as the most underrated plane in the set. That is fact.
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Hehe, I always get a good chuckle from the "look at me" folks that try and pass themselves off as crusaders of good.
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Bah! Ack-Ack is an altmonkeying cheater; always has been. Ask anybody.
;)
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Originally posted by TheBug
Hehe, I always get a good chuckle from the "look at me" folks that try and pass themselves off as crusaders of good.
It's those "that chuckle at folks who kiss other's arses in the game who flaunt greatness too" that I laugh at. Only good stick I've never shot down is Vati66. I've shot the rest down at one time or another. Some many times. I don't come in here and gloat. But I'll be damned if someone is gonna trash a ride they rarely fly. Looking at MOSQ's numbers is a 1/32nd of the big picture.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
It's those "that chuckle at folks who kiss other's arses in the game who flaunt greatness too" that I laugh at. Only good stick I've never shot down is Vati66. I've shot the rest down at one time or another. Some many times. I don't come in here and gloat. But I'll be damned if someone is gonna trash a ride they rarely fly. Looking at MOSQ's numbers is a 1/32nd of the big picture.
Don't think anyone is trashing the Tony by observing that it can't outturn a Spit5, given equal pilots. It can't. The Spit 16 can't outturn an A6M2. Doesn't mean it isn't a fine plane, even the better plane.
- oldman (although I have to say that, given the choice - and an excuse to save my pride - I'd rather be in the Spit5 than the Tony.)
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Not for one second disputing your claims about the ki-61, nor your ability to play a game well. But you are worthy of another chuckle. ;)
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If I can "turn with a Spit 5", than it "can turn with a Spit 5", right?
Bug, I'm glad you consume chuckling with me. Because I rarely see you in the Arenas. :aok I chuckle at the shades accounts running amok in the BBS and Game these days. Changing names more than your underwear is a reflection of insecurity, not humor. :aok
Oldman, one thing that has always gotten a laugh out of me in this game, and I have now figured out after 5 years of playing AH. "The only opinions that matter are of those who are in the Top 100 Cartoon pilots, or 10 year vets of flight sims." They "preach the Flight Sim gospel, while other's have no say, even though they have pretty disspelled the theories." Again, the turning radius of a plane "being tested under vacuum like conditions, WILL BE different in a dogfight, in a furball. It is FACT not opinion. "That con only 4k off of your 1 on 1 will make you immediately re-think things. You will NOT always turn ANY plane to those numbers. Which is my initial point. The numbers are merely a "Starting point".
I've NEVER not once, claimed to be good. But I will humble those who DO by shooting them down.
I'm done with this, I'll keep shooting folks down in the LWA, in a Ki-61. It's too easy.
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Here is what Karaya has been saying all along:
"He has no problems turning WITH Spit 5's in the Arenas. What this translates to is the following: "He knows the Ki61's abilities better than the Spit 5 stick. "
I will turnfight this "so called POS" on the deck and win. I do it consistently, and effectively. I do not use flaps, instead I find it is better to manipulate throttle.
No numbers needed because frankly numbers (specifications) don't help you in the MA environment. Again, since most of the folks that play this game think I'm "full of it". Look at my stats from last month and this month. My hit % also squashes the "bullet dropping theory".
Lastly, The Ki61 is right behind the Spit and Hurry 1's as the most underrated plane in the set. That is fact.
We need to emphasize that no pilot can make a plane do what it cannot do. Each aircraft has limits that can be defined by exploration. These limits are sometimes somewhat arbitrary, but they are hard limits and pushing beyond always results in a loss of control or worse.
WIth regard to the Ki-61, I fly it every night that I'm "on duty" in the TA. It is an excellent foil for vets who want to polish their skills. It's a very capable fighter within its envelope. Good enough to give Spitfires a very rough go of it. Flying the Ki-61 is all about E management. Acceleration is lethargic at best. Steady state climb is less than average. Speed is also well below average. However, it holds and hides E better than most. It dives without drama and has a decent rate of roll at medium speeds. It zoom climbs very well. Its cannons are extremely lethal and concentrated above the engine.
Like the P-40, the Ki-61 is a fighter that benefits greatly from having some altitude. It's worth the extra time to drag it up to 10k or higher.
Last weekend, I took a Ki-61 up to 18k to intercept a horde. I found myself above 11 P-51Ds loaded with bombs and rockets. I rolled in and attacked from their high 6. Thirty seconds later, 3 were dead, and 3 more were hurt. A 4th died a minute later when he tried to get some payback. It's a deadly fighter, no question.
I use it to duel just about everything. Careful use of flaps is essential and the vertical rolling scissors is one area where it excels, as it bleeds little E.
I do avoid prolonged turning sessions with better turn fighters. But, more often than not, the other guy is not able to get anywhere near max performance from is plane, which means that a Ki-61 flown to the edge will beat them most of the time. Avoid the sucker traps and make the other guys fight to your strengths and you'll win 99% of the time. However, a large percentage of the MA crowd have no idea what the Ki-61 can do, so they don't know how to fight it.
My regards,
Widewing
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To settle this once and for all I will host a(n)...
SHOWDOWN!: Spit V vs Ki 61
Obviously the space is limited to 8 players (H2H). Come in if you want to debunk or strengthen the fact that Ki 61 is as good as Spit V. I will throw in the Seafire to make it fair:aok
Settings: Hardcore!
- NO external views
- NO Stall limiters and it's disabled.
- 2.0 fuel burn
- 1.0 ammo
Give it your best shot!:aok :aok :aok
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Sorry 1K3, I'll keep my opinions to myself from now on. Obviously, only some people in here are allowed to debunk things. I think it is juvenile, myself. Maybe one day I'll be "deemed wise man and teller of all things AH". But for now, I'll just be the chump who doesn't know what he means, "even though I fly the Tony about 75% in the LWA." Nah, I'm full of chit, I'm just another "5 year newbie" who doesn't realize that those who keep posting in here, keep reinforcing my statements.
I never claimed the Ki61 to "be the fastest plane", it isn't the greatest climber, it's gun package is exceptional. It handles E better than 90% of the craft in the game. It should be flown like a 109F4. It will "hang with a Spit 5" (NOT a Spit 1) in a turn. I do it, and I do that often. Yes, draining the wing tanks even to 1/4 each, will make a HUGE difference in the handling characteristics.
But, I'm full of chit. I have now learned something in the 5 years of playing. It only took 5 years for the truth to come to the surface. But I got it now, loud and clear. My God, what some say to other's "just to be right".
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Holy PMS, batman.
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Holy PMS, batman.
Nah, just finally seeing the light.
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Originally posted by Widewing
No need for a trial.... The Ki-61 cannot out-turn a Spitfire Mk.V, not even close.
One pilot may out-turn another, but given equal pilots, the Ki-61 is toast.
My regards,
Widewing
I took the 61 back up and gave it a run ... not that I would ever doubt you ... :D ... but you are right ... it lost it's turning teeth ... :( ... which is a shame.
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I have at least 8500 sorties in the Ki-61 ...not one of you has mentioned the one thing the the "Tony" does better then any other plane! ....since I consider the Ki-61 my secret weapon I wont tell ya!! ....keep fishing!! :p
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
Bug, I'm glad you consume chuckling with me. Because I rarely see you in the Arenas. :aok I chuckle at the shades accounts running amok in the BBS and Game these days. Changing names more than your underwear is a reflection of insecurity, not humor. :aok
And yet another, hehe.
Flying abilities aside, you should really take a fresh look at yourself. Based upon what you type, you really aren't the person you believe yourself to be. More the problem than the solution you are championing.
Thank you.:aok
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When I grow up I want to be just like masherbum.
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Originally posted by Helm
not one of you has mentioned the one thing the the "Tony" does better then any other plane!
Fly under the radar, figuratively speaking. :p It's better than most give it credit for. The only thing keeping it from dweeb plane status is the lack of 300-400hp. Ki-100 anyone?
On a serious note Helm, what I think it does better than just about anything else is turn at medium speeds i.e. 200-250mph, or just under speeds that would start to cause blackouts. This is why Karaya and others claim to out turn Spitfires and N1Ks etc, and it is also why testing of it's sustained turning abilities produces underwhelming results in relation to the afore mentioned planes. It just doesn't have enough engine power to compete in that sort of test. I've seen it referred to as a bobsled and this isn't a bad analogy. As long as you have a little alt to convert into speed you can give anything a hard time. Get on the deck in a lufbery against one of the good turners and, as WW said, you're toast.
I'd really like to see an EM diagram for the Ki-61. Might be educational.
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Originally posted by DblTrubl
The only thing keeping it from dweeb plane status is the lack of 300-400hp. Ki-100 anyone?
There is no difference between the Ki 100 and Ki 61 in performance. The only difference is the engine layout (Ki 61 uses a Bf 109E engine, Ki 100 uses a radial engine that makes the same power) and the improved reliability on Ki-100
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Originally posted by 1K3
There is no difference between the Ki 100 and Ki 61 in performance. The only difference is the engine layout (Ki 61 uses a Bf 109E engine, Ki 100 uses a radial engine that makes the same power) and the improved reliability on Ki-100
That's incorrect. The Ki-61-I modeled in AH has an 1175hp Kawasaki Ha-40, a license built copy of a DB-601. The Ki-100 has a Mitsubishi Ha-112-II 14 cyl. radial rated at 1500hp. 325hp more than the Ha-40. In addition the radial installation made the Ki-100 lighter than the Ki-61-I by approximately 200lbs. Yes the increased frontal area reduced top speed to 360mph but every other aspect of performance was improved. Less weight +more power= better climb, accel, and turn.
You're thinking of the Ki-61-II, which we don't have. That was powered by a further refinement of the Ha-40 designated Ha-140 and rated at 1500hp. Again performance of the 61-II and 100 were not equal. The -II had a top speed of roughly 380mph and weighed 800 pounds more than than the Ki-100.