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Post by: croduh on March 01, 2007, 03:37:30 PM
Or Hrvatsko Ratno Zrakoplovstvo (Croatian Air force).It's a small air force for but we are also a small country.Anyway this video is a presentation of it, and shows why i will probably be joining it in a year or two.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v777S0T-ce8
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Post by: Hawco on March 01, 2007, 03:51:34 PM
Hey Duh, slightly off topic, but since your are Croation, I just wanted to find out if you have ever been to Vukovar and how does it look these days?

Hawco
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Post by: croduh on March 01, 2007, 03:53:57 PM
It is still being repaired as it was totally destroyed during the war.And it's still the poorest city in country.
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Post by: Mace2004 on March 01, 2007, 03:55:18 PM
Very cool.  Love the old MiG-21's, great airplane.  Best of luck.
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Post by: croduh on March 01, 2007, 03:56:44 PM
Well I don't think I'll be flying Migs because the government is buying Gripens.
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Post by: Hawco on March 01, 2007, 03:59:45 PM
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Originally posted by duh
It is still being repaired as it was totally destroyed during the war.And it's still the poorest city in country.

Some friends of mine missed Miroslav Radic by a hairs breath after being told to grab him for the Hauge, He eventually ended up there.
Great video though !

Hawco
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Post by: festus on March 01, 2007, 06:49:38 PM
What a/c is the demo team flying. Looks really similar to the US T6 A Texan II
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Post by: Hornet33 on March 01, 2007, 07:02:01 PM
Croatia is awsome!!! I was in Split for a few days back in 2001. I had a blast while I was there. Hope to go back one of these days.

Good luck on the Air Force thing.
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Post by: Xargos on March 01, 2007, 07:04:55 PM
One Question, How do the women look?  :cool:
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Post by: detch01 on March 01, 2007, 07:34:29 PM
GL with the air force thing if you do go in Duh :aok . I'll bet flying the Gripens will be fun :D





asw
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Post by: Ripsnort on March 01, 2007, 08:23:20 PM
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Originally posted by duh
Well I don't think I'll be flying Migs because the government is buying Gripens.

Old timers get those..you'll be flying the almost-surplus stuff initially. ;)

Good luck!
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Post by: Masherbrum on March 01, 2007, 09:00:04 PM
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Originally posted by duh
Well I don't think I'll be flying Migs because the government is buying Gripens.


The Gripen is my current "fav. plane today".     It is a graceful fighter.  

(http://www.canit.se/~griffon/aviation/img/saab/gripen/gall97/gripen-probe.jpg)

(http://www.stuorg.iastate.edu/aeemgso/Gripen_P_G_2002_6.jpg)
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Post by: nirvana on March 01, 2007, 10:05:37 PM
Nice looking plane, even better looking weapons on the first pic.  Good luck with the air force Duh!
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Post by: Viking on March 02, 2007, 05:17:10 AM
While the Gripens are great they should keep those old 21s as well. Get the French or Israeli to upgrade them with modern radar and weapons, and those MiG’s would be great interceptors for such a small country as Croatia.


(http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mig21/images/mig21_3.jpg)

(http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mig21/images/iai3.jpg)
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Post by: croduh on March 02, 2007, 07:00:42 AM
Thanks for the support guys:)
Those prop planes in formation are pc9-s.I see them every morning doing acrobatics over my house.

Xargos they say Croatia has the finest looking women in the world;)
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Post by: Masherbrum on March 02, 2007, 08:25:53 AM
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Originally posted by Viking
While the Gripens are great they should keep those old 21s as well. Get the French or Israeli to upgrade them with modern radar and weapons, and those MiG’s would be great interceptors for such a small country as Croatia.



(http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mig21/images/mig21_3.jpg)

Mig 21 - 1385 mph (Mach 1.8)
Gripen - Mach 2

The Gripen exceeds the Mig 21 in performance and can stop within 800m.
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Post by: Mace2004 on March 02, 2007, 08:36:37 AM
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
(http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mig21/images/mig21_3.jpg)

Mig 21 - 1385 mph (Mach 1.8)
Gripen - Mach 2

The Gripen exceeds the Mig 21 in performance and can stop within 800m.
Top speeds like that are irrelevant.  In RL you very rarely see anything above M 1.2.  I'm sure the Gripen can out turn the MiG but the biggest tactical advantage are in the weapons and range.
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Post by: Masherbrum on March 02, 2007, 10:22:19 AM
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Originally posted by Mace2004
Top speeds like that are irrelevant.  In RL you very rarely see anything above M 1.2.  I'm sure the Gripen can out turn the MiG but the biggest tactical advantage are in the weapons and range.


So, it is possible that the Mig 21 could get "up to speed" (say M 1.2) faster?

Not being confrontational, just trying to learn something new I guess.
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Post by: Viking on March 02, 2007, 10:50:23 AM
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
(http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/mig21/images/mig21_3.jpg)

Mig 21 - 1385 mph (Mach 1.8)
Gripen - Mach 2

The Gripen exceeds the Mig 21 in performance and can stop within 800m.


There is something wrong with the math on your MiG speed figures. The F-16 is a Mach 2 fighter and has a top speed of 1320 mph. I believe your Mach 1.8 figure is calculated for sea level atmosphere, not at altitude where the speed of sound is slower. The MiG-21Bis (the main production version) has a top speed of Mach 2.05. Earlier versions had top speeds of up to as much as Mach 2.3.

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Originally posted by Viking
While the Gripens are great they should keep those old 21s as well.




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Originally posted by Mace2004
I'm sure the Gripen can out turn the MiG but the biggest tactical advantage are in the weapons and range.


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Originally posted by Viking
Get the French or Israeli to upgrade them with modern radar and weapons, and those MiG’s would be great interceptors for such a small country as Croatia.