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General Forums => Wishlist => Topic started by: republic on March 05, 2007, 02:54:59 PM
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Requested many times...but here we go again.
A revamped flight model Mosquito minus the flame dampener would be a great addition. :) Also a bomber variant would be handy...no drones though.
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(http://www.akiraifukube.org/dehavilland_mosquito.jpg)
(http://www.raf.mod.uk/bombercommand/images/ch10118.jpg)
(http://www.centennialofflight.gov/essay/Aerospace/DeHavilland/Aero49G3.jpg)
(http://img.search.com/thumb/7/7e/4000LB_High_Capacity_Bomb_With_Mosquito.jpg/250px-4000LB_High_Capacity_Bomb_With_Mosquito.jpg)
(http://www.lancastermuseum.ca/photos/p_mosquito1.jpg)
(http://www.grampsflightsims.com/_borders/Mosquito1SqnLabuanJuly45.jpg)
And finally... Tse-Tse!
(http://uboat.net/allies/aircraft/photos/mosquito2.jpg)
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I'll buy a tse-tse for 20 perks.
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Was that 57mm on tse tse AP round ?
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Yes, it was solid shot.
Think it had 980m/s muzzle velocity (going from memory here, caveat emptor).
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What scherf said.
It was a 6pdr anti tank gun (57mm) they put in the nose, made for punching holes in U-boats pressure hulls and ships, can imagine it would have been pretty devastating to tanks too :)
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This should be done, the MOSS is just an' absolute pig.
so sad takeing off,and looking UP at a moss goin' by at 280mph and the first thing that comes to mind is "all i gotta do is pull up,and shoot"
Heck id rather take a A20 into battle knowing good an' well i would only survive one pass till i blow up. :huh
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the mossie as it is now is hindered by its handeling and flight model.
but if you take the time to learn it u can wipe the smile off many a enemys face.
We need another plane updated maybe this or the hurricane
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I'd love to see the Mossie brought up to AH2's standards, but I wouldn't hold my breath for much of a performance boost.
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Originally posted by rogerdee
the mossie as it is now is hindered by its handeling and flight model.
but if you take the time to learn it u can wipe the smile off many a enemys face.
We need another plane updated maybe this or the hurricane
Very true. This is a capable fighter when you learn to balance it on the edge of a stall and keep it vertical like a 38. Flap usage is essential and when mixed with vertical moves you can get the better of superior planes. 700 cannon rounds are nice too. :t
edit: It does need updated.
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You can learn to use it... but it is crippled when trying to ride the edge like you can in other planes by the CoG bug.
Take off in a mossie on autoclimb on WEP and watch it snake through the sky as if it is a pendulum.
Then try snaprolling it at any speed and be amazed at the ability to stop midair and cartwheel out of the sky.
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ya the mossie seems to be fairly mis-represented in AH. on the positive side it does burn long enough to RTB from a 1/4 sector out though.
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The last tour I flew before deploying to Iraq, tour 83, I had 59 kills and only 12 deaths in the Mossie. The current Mossie is a monster... if flown right. 1 sortie alone I land 9 air to air kills, 6 buffs and 3 fighters. I say leave the mossie alone and spend time on that P61! :D
VWExx1
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Originally posted by Karnak
I'd love to see the Mossie brought up to AH2's standards, but I wouldn't hold my breath for much of a performance boost.
Fixing the CoG and A6m's damage model is 90% of the performance boost it needs. Taking the exhaust dumpeners off is just the cherry on top.
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Originally posted by bozon
Taking the exhaust dumpeners off is just the cherry on top.
To me, taking off the exhaust dampeners is a must. Not sure why it was even modeled with them, as it provides no benefit in game and just ends up making the Mossie a plane you fly just because you want to fly a Mossie...rather than because it has a unique ability. Without the Mossie's speed, it ends up just being fodder....fodder with a broken FM.
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Don't expect the mossie to be the legendary un-catchable plane. It was true in 1942, and will be reflected in MWA and special events, but in 1945 LWA it will still be middle of the pack in terms of deck speed. Currently, more mosquitoes die to stalls or spontaneous combustion that from a little loss of speed.
That said, 10 (?) extra mph gain from removing the dampeners will most certainly help.
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Originally posted by bozon
Fixing the CoG and A6m's damage model is 90% of the performance boost it needs. Taking the exhaust dumpeners off is just the cherry on top.
:aok
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Originally written by Adolf Galland in "The First and The Last"
A Special chapter was the fight against the Mosquito. Britain had developed an all-purpose aircraft with an extraordinary performance, whose activities over Germany caused a lot of trouble. The twin-engined de Havilland had a speed which none of our fighter planes could approach. By day it flew on reconnaissance at high altitude, but it also performed bombing missions, and had a very precise bombsight called 'Oboe'. It was also successful, at little cost, in nuisance raids at night. Until we were able to send up the Me262 jet fighter planes we were practically powerless against the Mosquitoes. Like their namesake, they became a plague to our Command and the population. Our fighters could only catch up with them when we dived on them from a much greater height during an attack, temporarily achieving higher speed. But as the Mosquitoes already flew at a great height this manoeuver could only be performed when the approach of the aircraft was discovered early enough and it could be passed on from one radar station to another. Here were the difficulties: firstly, our radar network was by no means without gaps; and, secondly, the Mosquito was built of wood, so this little 'bird' only gave a very faint signal to our sets. These were facts which one simply had to accept for the time being. Anyhow, with this aircraft alone the German war industry could not be hit decisively; there was no danger that we might lose the war on account of the Mosquito. It was for quite different reasons that Goring went mad about our inability to stop these raids. In daytime they flew without loss and went wherever their mission took them; at night they chased the population out of their beds. The latter, who were justifiably annoyed at this, started to grumble: "fatty can't even cope with a few silly Mosquitos".
Ignoring me, Goring recalled two experienced group leaders from the east and ordered them to clear up this daily nuisance one way or another. Two strengthened squadrons were formed especially for this purpose, bombastically christened the 25th and 50th Fighter groups. The aircraft were 'hotted up' by all sorts of tricks, and special methods of attack were worked out - without avail! As far as i know, neither of these units ever shot down a Mosquito. They were dissolved in the Autumn of 1943, and i was able to use the aircraft in the general defence of the Reich.
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Thanks furball. That was interesting.
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please remodle and give us variants..afterall it was probably the most veristile plane of the war.
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Nos postulo quist optimus varius proeliator est !!
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Hey look, Moot is so old he still speaks latin!
Lets all laugh at him.. :D
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:lol
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VVVRRRRROOOOOOMMMM!!!!! VVVVRRROOOMMMM!!!!!
FFFIIIXXX MMMEEE!!!
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1015_1167287842_dehavillandmosquito.jpg)
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Bomber Mossies - yes please!
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mossie!!!!!
hopefully i'll have the net next year and i'll be able to get back to flying her.:)
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I had the 'insane plummet from the sky because of a messed up cog' death the other day. Was really frustrating. :(
Such an awesome plane....but in game it's like that crazy uncle that no one talks about...
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The 'Stop instantly and cartwheel out of the sky' cog bug?
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The air is too dirty for the mossie's beautiful curves.. so from time to time it'll have its revenge.
What we need is an equally martyred twin engined, punchy axis plane.. yes, you guessed right..
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Another patch came and went - no changes to the mossie :(
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BUMP!
Note to HTC: mossie fix.
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Viva la mosquito!
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Originally posted by BaDkaRmA158Th
This should be done, the MOSS is just an' absolute pig.
so sad takeing off,and looking UP at a moss goin' by at 280mph and the first thing that comes to mind is "all i gotta do is pull up,and shoot"
Heck id rather take a A20 into battle knowing good an' well i would only survive one pass till i blow up. :huh
Dont know what to say to this but the mossie is far from a "pig" very far.
I have advocated the flame dampeners being removed for some time now and I hope it does happen.
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yes the mosquito is an absolute dream (in real life). dives well, has relatively good zoom climbs at different speeds. flaps aren't the Britons' regular, crappy split flaps - wing loading is better than a P-38's... we need it fixed... i find it just terrifying to look at the cockpit.. nothing like the real thing.
kinda ironic ... i work in a museum that used to produce the Mosquito Mk.XX and here we are, with NO mossie... ><
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If they give us one more darn Spitfire variant before fixing the Mossie, I'll be all :furious :mad: :furious .
Seriously, such an iconic plane should be given its due. IMO one variant for each of the MAs would be most appropriate.:aok
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Was reading this thread and was about to say Thrila has no problems killing in it but he posted....
Furball that was the last book I read was an interesting insight of a luftweenie making excuses for this and that and how Germany could have done things different.
Wasn't really a personal account of how he dealt with the war rather how the luftwaffe coped with unsurmountable odds and still achieved wonderous feats. If anyone was planning on getting this book don't pay for it get it free somewhere and read it when you have nothing better to do.
I would love them to add maybe 2 more mossie variants. The bomber variant that carried 6 bombs with no guns at all. Superfast, great climb. The Tse tse for killing some tanks.
Also add a 8rocket / 2 bomb ord loadout option. Also some rockets for the Tiffie please!
Bruv
~S~
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High speed high altitude bombing. Great alternative to the lumbering Lancs, B17s and B24s.
High speed low altitude hit and run - what a great mission!
The Mossie is seriously lacking.
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bump
the MK XVIII would make a nice addition.
and yes the FM and DM need addressing too.:o :o :o
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Still not fixed and pushed to second page.
Therefore:
BUMP!
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Originally posted by Ball
You can learn to use it... but it is crippled when trying to ride the edge like you can in other planes by the CoG bug.
Take off in a mossie on autoclimb on WEP and watch it snake through the sky as if it is a pendulum.
Then try snaprolling it at any speed and be amazed at the ability to stop midair and cartwheel out of the sky.
Or try to strafe gv's at anything more than a 20 degree angle.. Pull up hard and you're finnished..
I would fly the Mosquito SO MUCH more if it didnt spin so ridiculously out of control all the time..
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I'll post a moqsuito picture every time this thread falls to the second page until the mossie is fixed.
I'll start with an Israeli mosquito! First single type equiped squadron in the IAF iirc, and we got it from the French. Yes, they loved us back then. :D
More on moquitos in the IAF:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/2848/mosquito.htm
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1015_1178371546_iaf_mosquito.jpg)[/IMG]
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keepin this thread alive:D
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This bird need's fixin'
Badly.
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Would those bouncing bombs have had an effect on FHs? That would be a cool mission.
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(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1015_1178371713_mosquito-fr.jpg)
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Originally posted by Martyn
Would those bouncing bombs have had an effect on FHs? That would be a cool mission.
Dambuster?
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Theres an idea. Design a valley/ river with a dam. one per country.
Put the city strat, or any other strat in the way of the flood plain.
Come in Mossie or lanc drop the bouncing bomb down the lake and watch the flood!
I think this feature in the game would be a novelty in itself and probably up the player base, thus paying for the time and effort put into the modelling of it.
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The Dam Busters were Lancs - although that's a neat idea too. Especially as Hollywood are looking at film scripts for a remake at the moment.
No, I meant the smaller bouncing bombs dropped from mossies. I don't know if they'd be powerful enough to take down an FH. Mind you, I don't think it'd be easy to code anyway in AH - what triggered the detonator? Couldn't be the impact - must have been a timer.
Still, Dam Busting would be cool.
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Hm. I think the Mosquito dropped the sphere-shaped dambuster as opposed to the larger drum-shaped, backspinning tub of explosives under the Lanc.
I know! To keep this going even more, why don't we state our favourite Mosquito variants and their powerplants, data etc.
Mosquito FB. Mk. VI
Powerplant: 2x Rolls-Royce 25 Merlin engines rated at 1620 hp.
Empty weight: 14, 300 lbs.
Max. T/O: 22, 300 lbs.
Max. Speed: 380 mph
Weapons: 4x 20mm cannon (150 rpg) too bad it took up half the bomb bay.
and 4x 0.303" MG's (500 rpg).
Span: 54' 2"
wing area: 454 sq. ft.
Roles: need i say more? fighter, bomber, close-support aircraft, doodlebug killer, flying tree, etc.
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Proper fighter and unarmed bomber mossies please with drones but if necessary perked;)
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The nearest mission profile we got is an AR234 flying high and fast - but being a jet it isn't 'quite the same'. I often fly the Ki67 at 15k or so which is quite cool, but I want to go faster and without the guns.
Then again, we don't have any pin-point strategic targets either. We have Cities and Factories which are good for carpet bombing, but no-equivalent of 'The Gestapo Headquarters'. We do have the HQ but that needs tons of Ord.
I suppose we could have a single building (the 'Police HQ'?) randomly located somewhere on the map (you'd need recce flights to find it) but within a certain distance to the HQ to ensure its deep in territory.
If it's taken down it reduces the supplies from cities by, say, 50% for 30 minutes, or maybe destroying it increases the time for spawning CVs - or something like that.
Once taken down it pops up somewhere else. So you'd need deep penetration (love that phrase!) recce planes to find it then bombers to hit it. It may be protected by flak too. Identifying wouldn't be easy if it was small, so loitering at 25k and using the bomb sites on B17s wouldn't gaurantee identification.
We get a reason for recce planes and Mossies at the same time.
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A swarm of Mossies each with a 4,000lb bomb could take the HQ down pretty fast. It would be interesting to see if the Me163s were able to stop them in time.
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Yo me puse hablo latín, habla inglés
I dont speak latin, speak english
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Is it time for another Mossie Picture yet? MAKE THIS ONE A BOMBER VARIANT:D
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PR.Mk XVI, the Photo Recce version of the B.Mk XVI:
(http://members.arstechnica.com/x/karnak/MossMk108Dam.jpg)
(http://members.arstechnica.com/x/karnak/MossMk108DamTxt.JPG)
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Video from a 1984 airshow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgijBdX-yPk&mode=related&search=
Sadly, this Mosquito crashed with the loss of both crew at an airshow in the 1990s. It was the last flying Mosquito.
There are some projects out there to get one back in the air, but I don't know whow they are doing.
And a video with some cockpit shots in flight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofRMOrau9CI&mode=related&search=
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I went to the Mossie museum (ex-De Havilland works) a few months back and they've got a bomber almost complete. I don't know if it was meant to fly but it sure was looking good.
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Originally posted by bozon
I'll post a moqsuito picture every time this thread falls to the second page until the mossie is fixed.
I'll start with an Israeli mosquito! First single type equiped squadron in the IAF iirc, and we got it from the French. Yes, they loved us back then. :D
More on moquitos in the IAF:
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/2848/mosquito.htm
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1015_1178371546_iaf_mosquito.jpg)[/IMG]
Um, I am not usually one to correct or sugjest anything. But, y'alls first "squadron" of the IAF were modified 109g-14s made by the Czechs with Jumo engines in them (could not get the DB605) they were the Avia S.199 Mezek (mule). Some having galland hoods and most having a sliding back style canopy.
That aside, the Mossie would be flown more, if it did not want to do that spin o' doom stall. :p
Not trying to hijack, just my 2 cents :aok
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I said "single type" squadron. The 101st had the Avia, spitfires and P51s (too bad they didn't get the jugs they wanted). Even the spitfires were of several variants - sometimes a Frankenstein made of several scrapped spitfires. Most of the planes were smuggled into israel and a few were also obtained illegally.
A famous spitfire (this is from memory) was called "Kneset 10". It was assembled from parts and was missing a metal plate. The crew found a suitable piece of metal tossed away on one of the streets in Tel-Aviv that had an advertisement on it for "Kneset" cigarettes, hence the name.
109th squadron was created as a proper all mosquito squadron.
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Mosquito eh?
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Just a correction. The spitfire was called "Kneset 6", not 10.
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Originally posted by bozon
Just a correction. The spitfire was called "Kneset 6", not 10.
Thanks for the update.
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More mosquitoes
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/1015_1180969050_mosquito_bomber_formation.jpeg)
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mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmosquitoes:aok
Just out of interest what is the efeect of the flame dampner on the performance of our AH example and how far below top spec i.e. trully top knotch top of the range late war mosquito is it?
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from performance charts with dampeners removed a 15 to 20 mph increase at sea level
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Which is a major increase, our Mossie barely makes 370 at altitiude according to the charts. Why did HTC give us such a rubbish example are the jealous of the mossie cos its not North American :noid
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yarbles.... look at the mossie in Ah front section below where the navigator sits see the canadian flag?
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Because that Mosquito is from 418 Squadron RCAF, still made in England ;)
It is just because it is an old model which is long overdue an update/debugging. I am very surprised it has not ever had a going over since it was released all those years ago.
HTC made some curious aircraft choices in their early days (no dig intended), it has changed now though. Remember the hybrid Spitfire IX? The Seafire we have which is pretty much the rarest possible? The uber late Spitfire V? The Lanc with .50's in the tail? Then there are the BoB era aircraft which make the BoB scenario pretty pointless. The late war Stuka, un-interceptable Ju-88, insignificant 110C-4.
I think it is something to do with the available data at the time. And HTC had no concrete stats of Mossies without flame dampeners.
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Many Mosquitos were made in Canada. That was what i meant to yarbles.
I remember very well when it was introduced in AH.
As for the stats/time/concrete issue furball all have been tested during the war with and without exhaust dampeners and that material is readily available, and plotted to the proper graph.
I'm glad you brought this up though. Remember when the P-38 would lose its horizontal stabiler from a single ping? and would fall off?
Or when the P-38 would lose an engine right away from a bullet round?
HT did not fix it right away but he did fix it.
Another example here is the g-14 with the 109's redo it lost some speed at altitude but gained some at sea level. It is negligable either way but is allowed to fly on.
Because alot of people dont fly it in the MA the mossie has been continually overlooked.
I can imagine the outcry if the P-51 was 15-20 miles an hour slower.
From a historical perspective I believe its a legitimate issue that needs to be adressed and I do hope it is.
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I agree totally :aok
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Thing is a lot more people DO fly the mossie these days (me included), especially when the ENY gets up there. It is deserving of a cockpit update and flight model fix, and given those even more people might take them out.
Even as they are now, they are a beast to intercept. The damage model / pilot auto-wound probably keeps me from flying it more than the CoG bug does. If we had the Bomber variant with the 4K bomb, I'd definitely be trying it out.
Add my vote to the "fix the mossie" party.
EagleDNY
$.02
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yup seeing how the mossie coud carry as much as a B17 . bomb with greater accrucy and get there faster . i think it should be flown more:)
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It's not an issue about having a bomber varient sorry.
Its about fixing the current mosquito version we have
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I want the current the version fixed and a few other versions too.
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I tried to fly the old girl the other night in midwar I think it was. It's speed is impressive while I am still not thrilled with the spin o' doom effect it is a decent ride. I believe if they fixed her and gave her an updated cockpit it would see more use than it does now.
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Oh yeah almost forgot, to the numb nards spit pilot that tried to HO me whilst I was in a Mossie. Make a note "Bad Idea!" and post it on your monitor. The mossie is one of those planes you just do not want to HO! It can piss .30 cals forever not to mention all the Hizookas it is packin' with a ton of ammo as well! I think I have a screenie somewhere too.
:rofl
Wait, maby we don't want this plane fixed. It might be bad for us Luft guys.
:noid
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The Mosquito is good for HO only if you have no wish to land it. You will likely obliterate the other guy, but a few hits from his guns are likely to hit the pilot or set you ablaze.
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For a plane renowned for its robustness - that's always surprised me.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Video from a 1984 airshow:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgijBdX-yPk&mode=related&search=
Sadly, this Mosquito crashed with the loss of both crew at an airshow in the 1990s. It was the last flying Mosquito.
There are some projects out there to get one back in the air, but I don't know whow they are doing.
And a video with some cockpit shots in flight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofRMOrau9CI&mode=related&search=
And here is that sad moment, posted on youtube . It is not happy viewing.
Those of you who complain about the AH2 Mossie spinning out of the sky might find an explanation here.
.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag5ut3tP3ZM&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag5ut3tP3ZM&mode=related&search=)
Here's a link to AAIB's Accident Report. Interesting for Mossie/Merlin fans.
http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/cms_resources/dft_avsafety_pdf_501355.pdf (http://www.aaib.dft.gov.uk/cms_resources/dft_avsafety_pdf_501355.pdf)
For those who can't be bothered reading the report, the Mosquito suffered a temporary loss of power to the left engine
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It is sad.
I wanted to say though looking at the earlier succesfull flight that the mossie reminds me somehow of the later Vulcan V bomber in its size with agility.
We really do need a viable example on AH. :(
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Originally posted by KD303
Those of you who complain about the AH2 Mossie spinning out of the sky might find an explanation here.
Except our Mosquito does the same thing with both engines running?
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True, it does. But the nature of the stall and spin themselves, were similar to what I've experienced in the AH Mossie. People often go on about how the mossie could fly almost as well on one engine as two - it wouldn't appear to be the case. OK, the one that crashed had a sudden engine failure while in a wingover maneouvre, but the way the aircraft stalled was pretty horrible (excuse the oxymoron).
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KD303,
Not true, that stall is a low speed stall where one wing loses lift. The AH Mossie can go into a flat fall from 400mph if you pull on the stick a bit hard.
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Originally posted by KD303
True, it does. But the nature of the stall and spin themselves, were similar to what I've experienced in the AH Mossie. People often go on about how the mossie could fly almost as well on one engine as two - it wouldn't appear to be the case. OK, the one that crashed had a sudden engine failure while in a wingover maneouvre, but the way the aircraft stalled was pretty horrible (excuse the oxymoron).
The aircraft was pretty much at minimum airspeed when the engine failed. I doubt any twin would survive an engine failure at that speed at that altitude because of the asymmetric thrust. If that pilot had a few more thousand feet i am sure he would have got out of it.
I have seen a Mosquito doing low level rolls with one engine feathered, and read of crews carrying on with their mission with one engine feathered with a full bomb load.
However, my favourite story regarding the Mosquito on one engine is when a B-26 pilot challenged a Mosquito pilot to a race.
A lightly-loaded Mosquito performed so well even with an engine out that pilots said DH had designed it as a single-engine aircraft, and added a second engine for good luck. According to one story, later in the war an incautious Yank pilot at the controls of a Martin B-26 Marauder, itself regarded as a fairly hot twin-engine aircraft, once challenged a Mosquito pilot to a race. The Mosquito left the B-26 in the dust, flying past inverted with one prop feathered.
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just a side note:
thank the load for a 2 engines mossie...had 6 kills in one and a flak shot my #2 engine out, and shot my #1 engine oil....landed with 20 secs of fuel to spare...
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Originally posted by Furball
The aircraft was pretty much at minimum airspeed when the engine failed. I doubt any twin would survive an engine failure at that speed at that altitude because of the asymmetric thrust. If that pilot had a few more thousand feet i am sure he would have got out of it. [/B]
Yeh, if he'd had the height, then surely he'd have recovered.
And yes, at the apex of the wingover it was reckoned to be 140kts, so not much .
Karnak - I tried the maneouvre you mentioned, and I see what you mean. Been a while since I flew the Mossie. Hoping for an update...erm.
Still, I love Mossies!
I have a few pics (not scanned yet) of one (RS712) that was in my (sort of) local museum before it was sold off across the pond to USA, last I heard, she was in the EAA museum, Oshkosh. She was in the movies 633 squadron & Mosquito Squadron.She's a Mk35. Maybe someone has some recent info?
Link to footage of the sad day (sad for Scotland anyway).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp0486rsaAM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp0486rsaAM) (I seem to have a thing about "links to sad Mosquito days".
BTW, the guy who took the footage - Bob Davidson, has some other interesting vids from strathallan on YouTube, including the one Karnak posted above.
Strathallan was such a great little museum. It was a sad when they closed up and sold off the collection. Short sighted Royal Scottish Museums or the British Museum should have bought the lot.
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RS712 is up in Oshkosh with Kermit Weeks - apparently unlikely to fly again.
http://www.mossie.org/RS712.htm
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Thanks for the info Scherf.
Funny how she's in the markings of an Amiens Raid MkVI from 487 squadron. I'd have thought something from Bomber Command would have been more apt.
Still find it hard to understand why she didn't end up in East Fortune (National Museum of Flight, Scotland). Back then (1981), things were different over here with regards to protecting aircraft heritage. The museum did buy Strathallan's Fairchild Bolingbroke IVT (actually a Candian built Bristol Blenheim IV ) but it was no Mossie..
In contrast, when a Bristol Beaufighter TF.X (RD220) came up for sale in 2000, the museum raised the £190,000 asking price in two days.
Fairchild Bolingbroke IVT during restoration at East Fortune.
(http://www.premiumwanadoo.com/aeroscope/images/MOF/RESERVES/bolingbroke.jpg)
The museums Beaufighter - Nice.
(http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Beaufighter_MkX_RD253_7931M_Preserved_RAFMuseum.jpg)
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Ooooh - love that Beau...
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Originally posted by KD303
Still find it hard to understand why she didn't end up in East Fortune (National Museum of Flight, Scotland). Back then (1981), things were different over here with regards to protecting aircraft heritage. The museum did buy Strathallan's Fairchild Bolingbroke IVT (actually a Candian built Bristol Blenheim IV ) but it was no Mossie..
In contrast, when a Bristol Beaufighter TF.X (RD220) came up for sale in 2000, the museum raised the £190,000 asking price in two days.
The museums Beaufighter - Nice.
(http://www.fleetairarmarchive.net/Aircraft/Beaufighter_MkX_RD253_7931M_Preserved_RAFMuseum.jpg)
That is the Royal Air Force Museum's Beaufighter, not East Fortune's
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I'm a big american plane dweeb and bomber dweeb, but the mossie is one of the few brit birds I fly, I love it although I dont experience the stalls and chaos caused by the CoG issue mush at all, would love to have that fixed, also I'm all for and 100% back the bomber mossie, although I don't think it should have formations.
Just my 2 cents,
~Balance1
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Hmmmm....
If the boys in Grapvine FIX THE MOSSIE......
:noid
There just might be PIZZA delivered........
Hmmmmmmmmm........PIZZA! :aok
68ROX:
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Are you implying that HTC are open to bribes... ?
I hope so.
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Yea please fix the mossie,its a awesome plane :)
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This thread should stay on top.
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yes mossie on top
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Top you say?
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yesh the very tippy top lol
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Right at the top, or just near the top?
The Mossie was a very important plane after all.
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Does anyone know what the minimum altitude a low flying Mossie could drop its bombs at? I don't think they hard retarded bombs then.
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martyn they werent retarded bombs, they were just "special in their own unique way" bombs, now be nice to the bombs, its not thier fault their not like us
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Originally posted by Martyn
Does anyone know what the minimum altitude a low flying Mossie could drop its bombs at? I don't think they hard retarded bombs then.
They had time delay bombs to drop from low level.
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LOL. OK, you are right - I just read a few Mossie anecdotes and the bombs certainly weren't 'retarded'. For this unitended slur I humbly, and unreservedly, apologise to all forms of ordnance, both present and past (just in case some 'smart' bombs ever get tor read this!).
One particular mission had them dropping 4 x 500lb, with fuzes set at 11 seconds delay, at 300ft (or lower).
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every attack run for me ends as
PW
then fire
fix the MOSSIE, before making B25.
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Or floppy fishing down to the trees as your watch your opponent fly past you, most likely laughing.
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i would love to see the mossie re-done after the B25.
it's an incredibly important and versatile plane, and it's so pretty. i can't think of any plane in AH that needs an update more either. it's pretty messed up atm.
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Originally posted by Major Biggles
i would love to see the mossie re-done after the B25.
and I would like to see it BEFORE the B25 :)
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I admit, I've had some pretty good fights in the Mossy even though I end up getting shot down due to being turned into a roman candle :D
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Originally posted by Speed55
Or floppy fishing down to the trees as your watch your opponent fly past you, most likely laughing.
Or catching fire when you get hit by a single 50 cal.
Hip Hip Hoooooray, for the Mossie fix. :D
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We need the Mossie to be re-done.
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Well, if it does come to a re-work, I hope they give us some notice. I could send through some stuff including a CoG chart, some performance numbers, loadout info, etc.
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Originally posted by Speed55
Or catching fire when you get hit by a single 50 cal.
Hip Hip Hoooooray, for the Mossie fix. :D
Also fun to set em on fire with 303s :D :aok
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I've flown nothing but the mossie this tour, had a 16 minute dogfight with a lone 190 D9 today... I'd post the film if I could get the dang thing to save as an Avi, frikin film viewer! :furious
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Originally posted by Scherf
Well, if it does come to a re-work, I hope they give us some notice. I could send through some stuff including a CoG chart, some performance numbers, loadout info, etc.
Why not send copies anyway? No excuses then ;)
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<--------- mossy killer :D
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congratulations, it's a BUMP!
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Originally posted by Martyn
Why not send copies anyway? No excuses then ;)
Quite so. If they have the data, they may use it whenever they redo the mossie. They may store it in a filing cabinet for 3 years, but at least they'll have it!
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Not sure if this is a repost but its an awsome video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YOhZEsIq85E&mode=related&search=
I challenge each of you to do what I'm doing, despite it difficencies I've flown nothing but the Mossie this tour. Not an easy thing to do but then again most things that are easy aren't worth doing.
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Mossie!!!
Needs sorting nuff said :aok
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I still wish
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Originally posted by VWE
Not sure if this is a repost but its an awsome video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YOhZEsIq85E&mode=related&search=
I challenge each of you to do what I'm doing, despite it difficencies I've flown nothing but the Mossie this tour. Not an easy thing to do but then again most things that are easy aren't worth doing.
wow awsome footage was this back in the 70-80s ive cause ive never seen a mossie let alone like 10
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Originally posted by VWE
Not sure if this is a repost but its an awsome video: http://youtube.com/watch?v=YOhZEsIq85E&mode=related&search=
I challenge each of you to do what I'm doing, despite it difficencies I've flown nothing but the Mossie this tour. Not an easy thing to do but then again most things that are easy aren't worth doing.
God!! Why oh why do YouTubers slap inappropriate music onto vids of WWII aircraft? Nice visually though. I think the colour clips are all from 633 squadron, including out-takes (and maybe a bit from Mosquito Squadron), filmed in my native Scotland (the mountain scenes) and including the Mossie I mentioned in an above post - the one that's in USA now.
There's only one song suitable for films of Mossies...RR Merlin. An instant classic.
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Did any Mossies have contra rotating props?
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Not until later. The B.Mk XVI had them I think, but most Mossies with contra-rotating props were post-war.
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Sounds like we maybe getting what we have wished for.
:noid
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yes it does..
I for one am glad Pyro mentioned what he did
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Mosquito needs several variants and re-modelling.
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Remodeling is a must, variants are a "wish".
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apparently its been redone for the next patch (as well as the B25)
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Originally posted by Anyone
apparently its been redone for the next patch (as well as the B25)
I'd be delighted if that is true, but my bet is that the CoG issue has been fixed and that is the only change.
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Still would like to see a flame damperless Mosquito, and though it doesn't happen quite as often as it used to...I still occasionally encounter the random stall of death.
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Way to bump a 5-month old thread! :aok
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Mossie Pwns i was killing spits left and right last night.
:aok :aok
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the mosquito is better than good currently.
it owns.
i can provide films :)
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Mossie is great, I don't know of a quicker and more fun way to deliver 2000lbs of love but....the flame dampers are silly.
I want to deliver 2000lbs of love even faster!
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i'm headed home tonight. i may have a few sorties tomorrow, if not definately after my last exam on the 10th.
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i'd still love to see it updated to AH2 graphics standards and have a few more versions added, namely the mk4 and mk16 (early and late level bombers, both produced in huge numbers)
the mossie 16 would make an excellent low perk bomber IMHO, provided it could carry the 4000lb cookie bomb, and formations were enabled (it is a proper level bomber)
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Bomber mossies would be great, but having formations would make it a total dweeb, base porkers, suiciders dream. Especially with the laser guided bombs accuracy.
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Agreed. I don't think they had bombsights, even. They shouldn't get formations any more than the Val should.
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They had bombsights.
Once the bomb run would start the navigator would crwl into the nose and operate the bombsight.
(http://lh3.google.com/_cmp44YBCW4s/Rz4VhJEBBTI/AAAAAAAAAVA/236z9aJZ4qQ/s800/PICT0018_2.JPG)
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Cool. I wasn't sure. I know the Pe2 also has a window like that, but it's to allow the pilot to dive bomb and see his target, not to aim.
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As you can see in that photo, the pilot wouldn't be able to see out of the nose. The "door" is on the navigator's side of the cockpit.
EDIT:
You can see in our Mosquito VI's cockpit where the door would be if you go to mouse look and look down and to the right. On the Mk VI there is a panel covering it as the nose is full of guns and ammunition.