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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Dadano on March 07, 2007, 12:29:05 AM
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Hi all,
Ever had the feeling you are fighting your own countrymen more fervently, for the kill, than the guy with the red icon?
I have, and I absolutely HATE it!
The Fix:
A "check six" like communication (ie "Good to Go" or "stay the hell outta my fight") that can be toggled via hotkey to let everyone within range know that you need no assistance, and can handle the situation at hand.
Thoughts?
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I switch sides and kill them. Not really effective, but more rewarding.
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I'll find another con and kill him. Or will find place with less greens. The time i got myself pissed off if somebody stealed my kills was passed long ago.
btw, why dont just tell him F'off with voice?
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Originally posted by Oleg
I'll find another con and kill him. Or will find place with less greens. The time i got myself pissed off if somebody stealed my kills was passed long ago.
btw, why dont just tell him F'off with voice?
Oleg, not to worry, the modification would not affect you. You could keep getting your kills stolen and keep telling people to F'off on range. Thats fine by me.
I think the people who don't like getting their kills stolen would benefit the most from this idea.
:aok
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Never seen kills sorted and pre-labeled. But then I didnt buy the ego package.
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If you aren't looking for them, you won't see them.
I never jump into a 1v1, unless asked.
Everyone likes to turn the thought around into an ego induced whine, rather it should be looked at as a matter of common courtesy.
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I don't think it has anything to do with "kill stealing", but more along the lines of a good fight cheapened by a cherry picker.
Say I get jumped by a really high 38 while Im cruising along in my 38. The fight goes on and on till we are both on the deck looking for that one kill shot after an intense 5 min fight....... then some cherry picker comes in and kills Ack-Ack, and instead us talking about a good fight where I finally kicked his butt, were both screaming at some dweeb who ruined a good fight ! :D
Mark me down for a "yes" on this one.
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That's exactly what I was getting at:aok
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The key here is that the AH community needs to teach & guide those who are always arriving. Unless we teach them the right way how are they ever going to learn?
Sure a full blown furball with numbers of cons on both sides is an anthing goes kind of affair.
But if you feel like your fighting your own guys for a kill maybe your doing it wrong. If you tackle with an enemy and fight him from 10k down to the deck, and a friendly just blew by you and stole the kill, explain that to him.
Explain why it was wrong and what he should have done. Don't lose your cool, don't go off on him. Just calmly suggest that next time please ASK first.
Be polite, and don't piss him off. Chances are he he either didn't know better or thought you were in trouble.
Part of the problem is the increased numbers online, part that we constantly lose a stream of good solid classy guys and replace them with 10 - 20 new pilots who are just eager to kill something.
Part of it is that good manners start with us. You see 2 greens fighting an enemy, don't dive into that. 2 on a con is more than enough in most situations.
If you run across a 1 vs 1 fight, stay clear. If it looks like your teammate is losing you might ask him if he'd like a hand. Besides, if you stay out, stay high, and he does lose, then that con is all yours. Your sitting high in the drivers seat.
Stop being greedy for kills, you see 3 easy bombers inbound for the base, don't fight to see who can get there first. Coordinate, so you both go home with a kill.
Keep a sort of running tally in your head of
Good guys who check 6, cover friends, help out. stay close but don't steal their kills. Be helpful, polite, and friendly. Don't send multiple check 6's for a single bad guy. But if it looks like they didn't see someone, let them know.
Who knows you may eventually get a squad invite from them.
Stay clear of Horde flyer's, they always run in a pack. They wouldn't know what to do with a 1 on 1 fight if they saw one.
Remember bad guys, kill stealer's, guys who dive right through you chasing someone, causing you to killshooter yourself. Guys who will unload on a plane falling with 1 wing left, or tailless, or burning they are that desperate for a kill.
You do me wrong once fine, anyone can make a mistake.
You make a habit of doing me wrong, and I'll make a habit of not sending check 6's. Not clearing your 6, and leaving you alone to fight that horde of reds.
Its all up to us gentlemen, by word and example, we show and teach whats allowed & whats not.
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If I enter a zone, I attack red. I dont necessarily know that the fight has gone 5 minutes, and if I see others (friendlies OR enemies) entering the zone I just might do what I can to finish things before the situation changes.
That might look like picking. But it isnt the intent. And, when things are stable, I'm as likely as not to ask "You got that guy covered, bud?"
But most of the offenders are grabbing any kill they can, any where they can get it.
So, I have to ask -- Doesnt this idea assume that the friendly has enough good manners to stop attacking when you tell him to?
And doesn't his action usually mean that he lacks that courtesy anyway?
EDIT: Ghosth made better points....nvermind
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There are alot of people in here who strictly cherry pick, kill steal, and gang. We all do a little of each from time to time, but some make a living at it. Its the only game they know. Some do it because staying alive is their game, and by being ultra careful, their shot opportunities come down to picks. Anything else would get them killed. Some do it because they never learned anything from anyone.
I get this mental image of a fat mentally challenged lad, with a helmet on, strapped into a bumper car, foot held down on the go button, and just relentlessly spinning around the floor smashing into things, with a blank expression on his face.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
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I get this mental image of a fat mentally challenged lad, with a helmet on, strapped into a bumper car, foot held down on the go button, and just relentlessly spinning around the floor smashing into things, with a blank expression on his face.
...gotta remember to turn off my web cam....
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The vets are as bad, or worse, than the newer players are. They are this way not because they don't know any better, but because they want to be. Stats, rank, pissing the friendly off? Don't know, but lately, if you don't blow the guy up, you can count on a lot of folks diving past and spraying until he hits the ground. I don't think a "bugger off, I've got him" button would work.
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I would steal hubs kill even with a "bugger off" button. Nobody else's though. :aok
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Originally posted by FiLtH
I get this mental image of a fat mentally challenged lad, with a helmet on, strapped into a bumper car, foot held down on the go button, and just relentlessly spinning around the floor smashing into things, with a blank expression on his face.
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
That is soooo true:D
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****** **** ******* ****** :furious That's what I mean!
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Its how i show my love for you.....erverything that is yours...is mine.:t
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Don't know, but lately, if you don't blow the guy up, you can count on a lot of folks diving past and spraying until he hits the ground.
same here, i lost 4 in 1 sorite like that last night. I have no idea where the friendly came from to blast what was left of the enemy. It's not the end of the world but is fustrating after the 3rd.
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Originally posted by FiLtH
There are alot of people in here who strictly cherry pick, kill steal, and gang. We all do a little of each from time to time, but some make a living at it. Its the only game they know. Some do it because staying alive is their game, and by being ultra careful, their shot opportunities come down to picks. Anything else would get them killed. Some do it because they never learned anything from anyone.
I get this mental image of a fat mentally challenged lad, with a helmet on, strapped into a bumper car, foot held down on the go button, and just relentlessly spinning around the floor smashing into things, with a blank expression on his face.
Now that's funny.
If it's a green mob I'll go find somewhere else to fight. I'm still having trouble not upping from capped fields... must be ADD or something.
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Originally posted by Dadano
Hi all,
Ever had the feeling you are fighting your own countrymen more fervently, for the kill, than the guy with the red icon?
I have, and I absolutely HATE it!
The Fix:
A "check six" like communication (ie "Good to Go" or "stay the hell outta my fight") that can be toggled via hotkey to let everyone within range know that you need no assistance, and can handle the situation at hand.
Thoughts?
Nope that won't work, most of the people you are referring to will not take any notice anyway! But I do know what you mean.
Sadly even old timers sometimes get drawn down to that level of play in frustration. I have on a couple of occassions. Worse still, it does not leave a "feel good" feeling after you do it, quite the opposite in fact!
I watched eight friendlies chase one NME a few nights ago as I took off and climbed above them to meet the inbound enemies. You just know what is going to happen if your fight gets down to the deck :lol, :cry or just plain :mad:
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If you want to have 1on1's or 1on2's just go to the duelling arena. The problem with the Main Arena is its mostly a "free for all" I mean how many times have you seen 4 or more friendlies chasing 1 con.
I'm willing to bet its more than a few, more so if you're bish :)
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Originally posted by Dadano
Hi all,
Ever had the feeling you are fighting your own countrymen more fervently, for the kill, than the guy with the red icon?
I have, and I absolutely HATE it!
The Fix:
A "check six" like communication (ie "Good to Go" or "stay the hell outta my fight") that can be toggled via hotkey to let everyone within range know that you need no assistance, and can handle the situation at hand.
Thoughts?
Great can I have a " Heeeeeelp ,I got my arse into a fight way over my head, get these bastages off me!!!!" button?
:D
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
Great can I have a " Heeeeeelp ,I got my arse into a fight way over my head, get these bastages off me!!!!" button?
:D
Bronk
Nope you can't, I was thinking we make it more efficient than that and simply have a 60 second timer to issue that one after the "leave him to me button" is pressed ;)
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Originally posted by Bronk
Great can I have a " Heeeeeelp ,I got my arse into a fight way over my head, get these bastages off me!!!!" button?
:D
That one is programmed into a button on my stick.
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Originally posted by 5tu4rt
I mean how many times have you seen 4 or more friendlies chasing 1 con.
I'm willing to bet its more than a few, more so if you're bish :)
is usually 5-8 chasing that one on the deck while 2 other guys get stuck with 6 high enemy cons
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when i encounter a fellow knight engaged in a dogfight i'll key up and ask if he needs help, they will either respond back with a yes or no. if they say yes i'll help them if they say no i will just kinda watch his 6 to make sure he don't get ganged other than that he's on his own
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Holy Crow, talk about timing.
This happened yesterday, and I was soooooo Pizzed. Took me about 7 minutes to climb out on altitude, the whole time avoiding the intruder I was after. A high F4u. Anyway. I get up therre, co-alt, and hes moving around, nothing on any angle, finnaly he breaks for another lad on the deck, I think it was Goose. ANYway, I chase this guy down, got bead on em, Im pinging em with b.b.s cause Im ina spit8 and they shoot like a airsoft flamethrower, just pinging away, round we go ping em here and there, from like 600 out, then 400 out, The whole time, Im like right on, u lost some peices here and there, and I see his sillohette getting just about the size I need, 200 out thats it, OPEN UP ALL. (U HEAR BAM), Boom, Im in the friggin tower, Another fellow country man, flew in so hard, he knocked into me, and I kill shot myself. I left for about 10 mins after that. But man that sucked. the sad part is there was no warning, no VOX, It would be excellent if someone would just say dropping in, and if u do, have a little more plane control, not to hit your damn teammate. If I would have seen ya, I wouldnt have fired, but u came down on me, not kewl.
Thanx that is all. I feel better.
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Originally posted by 5tu4rt
If you want to have 1on1's or 1on2's just go to the duelling arena. The problem with the Main Arena is its mostly a "free for all" I mean how many times have you seen 4 or more friendlies chasing 1 con.
I'm willing to bet its more than a few, more so if you're bish :)
Oh...so you think it is a problem too?
good good:aok
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Originally posted by 4deck
Holy Crow, talk about timing.
This happened yesterday, and I was soooooo Pizzed. It would be excellent if someone would just say dropping in, and if u do, have a little more plane control, not to hit your damn teammate. If I would have seen ya, I wouldnt have fired, but u came down on me, not kewl.
Thanx that is all. I feel better.
Man do i ever know that feeling. Just the other day I loaded up a heavy P-47 and headed out. Pretty soon I found my prey, there was this building all alone and not using any SA. I quickly flew up on its six and lined up and fired my rockets just as a P-38 came screaming in and stole that kill right from under me and ran into my rockets. My plane disengrates and he augers.....:cool:
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Never bothered me too much. If someone wants to collect assists from my kills, that's their waste of ammo. If I don't get the kill, I should of fired more rounds.
I do ask before engaging in most cases, unless I see a green icon in obvious trouble, in which case, pick on and I refuse to apologize in these cases for helping out a countryman.
And as I have always said; The quality of the pick is always outmatched by the extent of the target fixation and the depreciation of the situational awareness that that fixation has caused.
Getting picked is never fun, mainly because it shows the 'pickee' how badly they messed up by becoming fixated on a single con in a hostile environment.