Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: scottydawg on March 07, 2007, 09:54:55 AM
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Why don't they post the AvA tour rankings on the front page like they do the MA? It might generate more interest in the AvA. I think the AvA is awesome but hard to find a fight sometimes due to numbers.
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I think this would only encourage milk runners....
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Yeah, didn't think about that.
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while you have a good point dog but it is right that it will bring in milk runners and the AvA has been getting alot of milk runners as of late. this is not what this arena is about its about the historical dog fighting that goes on. some have forgoten about that and maybe its time to remind them of it.
Salute fellas i have been sick for the last week 1/2 as soon as i am better i will be flying again the dam wife ack thinks i shouldnt be flying while i am sick. :rolleyes:
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AvA has always had its milk runners .. how do you think the top ten lamers got there?
I think it should be advertised on the front page.
Milk runners are better than no targets at all ..
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the main attraction of the AvA for me is that most people in a fighter are there to fight, not garner a good score card.
just my 0.2c
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I still don't understand players who play to up their score... I don't get it. For me, nothing beats a protracted 1v1, 2v2, or any equal fight...even if I lose.
Just knowing that the only reason you won/lost is because one pilot was more skilled...not because he was a better hoer, his LA7 pwned your non-LA7, etc. Course, that's why I come to the AvA...while we have our share of temporary dweebs...it's generally a gentleman's arena.
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Originally posted by Eagler
AvA has always had its milk runners .. how do you think the top ten lamers got there?
I think it should be advertised on the front page.
Milk runners are better than no targets at all ..
if this is the most important thing to you then the AvA is not for you. you should pack your bags and leave that is all carry on
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i take my last statement back cause i just checked the scores and it looks like we have an AvA staff member fighting for a high rank
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
i take my last statement back cause i just checked the scores and it looks like we have an AvA staff member fighting for a high rank
I assume that you are refering to me in this statement.... most people in the arena who know me, know that I could give a ratsass about my score or rank. :rofl
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you can't say that about the duck of death kils. well you can say it but it wouldn't be true. find something else to say about him.
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
i take my last statement back cause i just checked the scores and it looks like we have an AvA staff member fighting for a high rank
Im ranked 99th and its only the 9th. By next week I plan on being in the top 50.:t
Score Rank
Kills per Death + 1 0.00 0
Kills per Sortie 0.00 0
Kills per Hour of Flight 0.00 0
Kills Hit Percentage 0.00 0
Kill Points 0.00 0
AvA Tour 61 Bomber Scores for Slash27
Score Rank
Damage per Death 2956.62 20
Damage per Sortie 5913.24 16
Damage Hit Percentage 500.00 3
Damage Points 5913.24 26
Field Captures 0 80
AvA Tour 61 Attack Scores for Slash27
Score Rank
Kills per Death + 1 8.00 1
Kills per Sortie 2.40 1
Kills per Hour of Flight 10.26 4
Kills Hit Percentage 6.38 27
Kill Points 2383.56 3
Damage per Death 0.00 44
Damage per Sortie 0.00 44
Damage Hit Percentage 0.00 44
Damage Points 0.00 44
Field Captures 0 44
AvA Tour 61 Vehicles and Boats Scores for Slash27
Score Rank
Kills per Death + 1 0.00 86
Kills per Sortie 0.00 86
Kills per Hour of Flight 0.00 86
Kills Hit Percentage 9.63 35
Kill Points 0.00 86
Damage per Death 45.81 35
Damage per Sortie 91.63 33
Damage Hit Percentage 0.00 86
Damage Points 91.63 38
Field Captures 0 86
AvA Tour 61 Statistics for Slash27
Fighter Bomber Attack Veh./Boat Total
Kills 0 0 24 0 24
Assists 0 0 9 0 9
Sorties 0 1 10 1 12
Landed 0 0 8 0 8
Bailed 0 0 0 0 0
Ditched 0 0 0 0 0
Captured 0 0 0 0 0
Deaths 0 1 2 1 4
Discos 0 0 0 0 0
Time hh:mm:ss 00:00:00 00:04:49 02:20:10 00:00:21 02:25:20
Rank 180 18 21 48 99
I dont know what all that means but it looks important.
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Originally posted by 1Duke1
I assume that you are refering to me in this statement.... most people in the arena who know me, know that I could give a ratsass about my score or rank. :rofl
Hah! Everyone knows that Annapolis grads are obsessed with rank!
- oldman (you know...."you smell rank, Duke," that sort of thing)
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The larger issue with getting a bunch of milkrunners in the arena is the special arena settings. Unlike milkrunning in EW or MW, a "good" milkrunner in the AvA who resets the map porks it and ruins it for everyone else (until a staff member can be found to fix it).
So, while the goal of getting more people interested is laudable, the method would only serve to diminish the essence of the arena.
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Originally posted by E25280
The larger issue with getting a bunch of milkrunners in the arena is the special arena settings. Unlike milkrunning in EW or MW, a "good" milkrunner in the AvA who resets the map porks it and ruins it for everyone else (until a staff member can be found to fix it).
So, while the goal of getting more people interested is laudable, the method would only serve to diminish the essence of the arena.
that has been my argument since the change from AHI. less is not good but more isn't necessarily better.
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Originally posted by E25280
The larger issue with getting a bunch of milkrunners in the arena is the special arena settings. Unlike milkrunning in EW or MW, a "good" milkrunner in the AvA who resets the map porks it and ruins it for everyone else (until a staff member can be found to fix it).
So, while the goal of getting more people interested is laudable, the method would only serve to diminish the essence of the arena.
I want to know how I am supposed to have a 1 vs 1 dogfignt if I am the only AvA player. :confused:
If porking a base ruins the arena, it was ruined before it got porked. :rolleyes: Don't tell me that you have to make the entire map a cartoon in order to stop the map from reset (that IS your complaint ISN'T it???):eek:
Me personally, spent my $15 to have fun without ruining others'. I am extremely disapointed that Combat Tour has been dangled in front of me like a carrot for 2 years (you count it).:mad: So, I go to Axis vs Allies for the next best thing imo. :aok
Only, when I get there....... nobody is home. So, I suppose that I am to take up knitting while patiently waiting for someone to come in to dogfight.:o
This is me checking roster for someone to dogfight:
- Where'd you go? ..... I was just gonna..... oh never mind!
- Oh! Oh! I know this guy! ..... Hey buddy how ya .... poof
- Wow! Must have pushed the wrong button.... maybe I should read.
- Hmmm, what's this ..... "Learn To Knit 1 2 3"
- Excellent! A staff member! Yo brotha, glad to see you again....... wanna up?
- .... oh awww okay, I understand, you're just checking arena settings, but maybe...... poof
- ... continues to read ....Wow, cool stitch! Bet that would make a funky cover for my joystick
- Yea! Alright a squadron!! Woo Hoo! .. guys change sides so I can.....
- errr .... okay, here I am over here..... I said over here.....
- ... okay I see squad practice ... but I could ....poof ... hmm short practice
- (dog growls) ..Come on hold still, I made this for you.... doesn't that feel nice and cozy?
- ...yawn...... drool........zzzzzzzzzzzzz ..... HOST CONNECTION LOST
:furious
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I'll be in next week chilli, you can shoot me down all you want then. three weeks of unusually unpalatable set ups drove me out for a spell.
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Originally posted by Chilli
If porking a base ruins the arena, it was ruined before it got porked. :rolleyes: Don't tell me that you have to make the entire map a cartoon in order to stop the map from reset (that IS your complaint ISN'T it???):eek:
You need to read my post a little more closely. I said nothing about porking a base ruining the arena. I said resetting the map, i.e. taking bases until the "win the war" criteria are met, porks the arena.
I am not a staff member, so I have no idea what, if anything, can be done to "turn off" the reset criteria. But I would think if it was truly that easy, the staff would have done that a long time ago rather than always struggling with object downtimes and troop requirements and such.
So I stand by my previous post. Advertising rank on the front page as was proposed would make the arena "more attractive" for the wrong reasons IMHO. I say, leave the "rank junkies" in EW and let the AvA continue to be about the ride match-ups and fights.
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Originally posted by E25280
You need to read my post a little more closely. I said nothing about porking a base ruining the arena. I said resetting the map, i.e. taking bases until the "win the war" criteria are met, porks the arena.
I am not a staff member, so I have no idea what, if anything, can be done to "turn off" the reset criteria. But I would think if it was truly that easy, the staff would have done that a long time ago rather than always struggling with object downtimes and troop requirements and such.
My guess that the only way to make a map un-resettable would be to make a certain number of bases un-takeable per MA, and make that number greater than the number of bases needed to reset the map.
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Originally posted by E25280
You need to read my post a little more closely. I said nothing about porking a base ruining the arena. I said resetting the map, i.e. taking bases until the "win the war" criteria are met, porks the arena.
I read it very carefully. So carefully, I fillled in between the lines. :eek: I think you missed the point of my post. :(
I only quoted your statement as it captured the tone of the original objection to rankings being posted. Yes, I pork fields out of boredom, waiting for arena players. I have not yet reset AvA map. The other night I was accused of cowardace for capturing defensless bases. You know as well as anyone, that ground assaults and base captures require teamwork. Teamwork comes with practice. At that time I was showing a couple of new recruits the merits of the Arena (let's call it practice).
I recently formed an AvA squad and am doing quite well with recruitment, thank you very much. To understand why I am annoyed with current setups, spend a little time and read our squad mission statement:
The Aces High "1st Special Services Forces" nickname ~Devil Rays~ is based upon WWII "Devil's Brigade". The volunteers who made up this unit were from the U.S. and Canada. They were selected to perform some of the more risky missions that would require unique skills like paratrooping, ski units and other commando operations.
As a squad member of this Axis versus Allies squad, you will be expected to aid in mass troop drops (C47, M3 - Paratroop drops), land and sea based bomber mission or escort, Fighter sweeps and vehicle and base resupply.
Anywhere there is a call for help from AvA countrymen, ~Devil Rays~ should be prepared to skillfully complete the task.
We already have a Dueling Arena:rolleyes: Why nuter an awesome arena for the sake of who knows?:huh
Finally, I do understand and sympathize with the plight of staff members trying to balance settings :aok I am questioning, whether or not they should try and force people up in planes for solo flights (check the number of folks in AvA right now and tell me if it is greater than 2). Secondly, if the number of players in AvA is greater than 2 at this moment, tell me if at least one out of 3 of them is either Devil Ray, Red Baron or Mongrel. :D
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Originally posted by Chilli
Secondly, if the number of players in AvA is greater than 2 at this moment, tell me if at least one out of 3 of them is either Devil Ray, Red Baron or Mongrel. :D
7 on right now. 4 Gunfighters, no Red Barons, Mongrels, or Manta Rays.
Come get you some. :aok
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Again, if you want to pork fields, go right ahead. If you want to capture bases, that's fine too. You and your squad I am sure are stand up guys and wouldn't play the "griefer" and continue to pork the arena by "winning the war." A large influx of people who, through carelessness or ignorance, would continually pork the arena in the name of trying to pad their rank or in the name of pure griefing is what I fear would happen.
The settings are made too hard for a single person to capture a base for a reason . . . a former squaddie of mine in a now-defunct squad used to pork the arena as a matter of course. We asked, begged, cajoled, and otherwise tried to impress upon him that what he was doing was annoying those who like this arena. He refused to stop, so he got booted from the squad (the squad later disbanded for unrelated reasons). About that same time the staff members began regularly adjusting settings to make capture more difficult.
You as an individual or your squad, being stand-up guys as far as I can tell, would listen to reason and not do what this particular squaddie kept doing.
If you didn't listen to reason, the AvA community is presently small enough to apply the appropriate peer pressure to either convince you to stop or make you enough of a pariah that you would hopefully leave out of discomfort.
Now imagine that larger community again. In the relative anonymity of a large group, peer pressure is less effective. Check out the posts from 6 months ago when the MA split -- the catchphrase of the day was the "slum behavior." Hitech believed the anonymity of such a large group of players in one arena was the root cause of much of the "undesirable" behavior and bad sportsmanship that was rampant.
While I disagree with him that the MA was ever quite that bad, I do have to concede the overall logic of the point. Where the AvA is concerned, where good sportsmanship is by and large one of its assets, I can see much "damage" being done by a sudden large influx of people that the proposition (rank on the main page) would likely cause.
I want the AvA to grow and thrive. But to maintain that which makes it unique from the MAs, the growth needs to be slow enough that the new players "get it" and are integrated -- otherwise, it becomes just another MA (which is what I and several others are trying to escape from once in a while).
Look, its a long way of saying, do what you want when you are alone or it is just you and your squaddies, as long as you don't pork the arena and thus ruin the fun for the other regulars.
When there are other regulars on, please, by all means come join the fight since that is why most come to this arena. If you want a "goal" of taking a particular base, that is as good a reason as any to have a fight. But, the key is to fight.
If you refuse to fight, don't be surprised if you catch some verbal grief for it.
Because after all, if all you want to do is pad rank and milkrun bases, we have an Early War Main Arena for that. Go test you metal there where rank "means something" to some who populated it -- because you will be nearly alone if you think AvA rank means anything to those who go there.
The views expressed in this rambling post are those of LTARget and do not reflect the views or opinions of the LTAR squad, AvA staff, HiTech, the AvA regulars, or anyone else (although they should).
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Good points all. :aok I ramble on so, I didn't focus enough on the topic.:rolleyes: I am against anything that is set to disuade anyone from playing in this arena.
Everyone has flaws, and talents. I hope to learn from others and try not judge them to harshly (this is the hard part).:D
I always thought this arena was great. It will never become another MA. MA players have their plane sets and leave the arena or switch sides if ENY upsets their choices. :cry
It desperately need some new blood. I am doing what I can to persuade others to give it a look see. :noid
- Slash, that is great news, 7 players 5 more than I anticipated. I saw those guys on also in the late afternoon. We had 3 or 4 great encounters before we tapered off. (Just wondering if 2death0 was one of the 7 - he just recently changed his name and might have been out of uniform, but still a ~Devil Ray~:t
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I always check in to AVA first.. it there's more than a couple of people on I grab a plane and go looking for them. If there's nobody there it's TA or *shudder* MA. I plan on being on tonight at 8:00 CST
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Originally posted by LTARkilz
if this is the most important thing to you then the AvA is not for you. you should pack your bags and leave that is all carry on
The AVA has been a place for Eagler even back when it was called the HA. In fact he's always been one of the most dedicated to this arena. Maybe it's not your place to decide who flys here.;)
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hmmm... lets see
max number of people in tonight for 2 hours 6
number of hours of fun for me?
2
If you're not flying AVA you're missing out.
Of course that's just my opinion.
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Duke is a score potato.
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Originally posted by Grits
Duke is a score potato.
.squelch grits..