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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: tedrbr on March 07, 2007, 06:19:00 PM
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We Just Won't Look!
NASA budget axe is ending, cutting, and failing to renew orbital observations of good old planet Earth. Even the mission statement changed to cut "to understand and protect our home planet" from it last Feb.
Among those gone --- long running Landsat; cut. Earth Orbiting System started in 1999 for long-term global observations; not renewed (8 years is long term observation of a planet?). GRACE mission ends this year, part of it's mission included observations of ice sheets......
We are just not going to look anymore. Makes questioning the science on global warming much easier, if there is no more science to question.
Hooray!
Well, if climate shift continues to occur, I suppose the government can address it with a non-binding resolution or signing statement. No worries.
Short story in this month's Popular Mechanics on this.
(http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/weather/stormwarning.gif) (http://www.thesmilies.com)
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That budget axe does not belong to NASA.
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I'm buying a boat...
:noid :noid :noid :noid
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Originally posted by oboe
That budget axe does not belong to NASA.
That's true, but when wheeling and dealing on Capitol Hill, which programs are they, and the rest of the aerospace community peddling? Human space program of ISS and STS and the Apollo Syndication: Orion, or projects that cost 1/1000th as much for science? hmmmmm.....
But, should not have limited that cut comment to just NASA, quite correct.
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Originally posted by DYNAMITE
I'm buying a boat...
:noid :noid :noid :noid
maybe get this guy to be your captain
(http://www.thestinkers.com/images2/waterworld-01.jpg)
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Originally posted by DYNAMITE
I'm buying a boat...
:noid :noid :noid :noid
I'll sell you one for 10 grand...
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I was thinking the opposite.. If we don't do the research then we will have to believe the high priests of "man made global warming" and "do something"... we will have to continue to listen to their "almost certainly" and "significant"
instead of real numbers and data. Maybe we can look at some ice core entrails to divine the future?
lazs
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makes you wonder why we are getting record cold months if the place is heating up so terrible ...
Climate Summary February 2007 (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html)
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February is just one month, not "months", and what in the link you provided indicates it was in any way a record-breaker?
The average temperature in February 2007 was 32.9 F. This was -1.8 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average, the 34th coolest February in 113 years. The temperature trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.3 degrees Fahrenheit per decade.
1.56 inches of precipitation fell in February. This was -0.46 inches less than the 1901-2000 average, the 16th driest such month on record. The precipitation trend for the period of record (1895 to present) is 0.00 inches per decade.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I was thinking the opposite.. If we don't do the research then we will have to believe the high priests of "man made global warming" and "do something"... we will have to continue to listen to their "almost certainly" and "significant"
instead of real numbers and data. Maybe we can look at some ice core entrails to divine the future?
lazs
Beat me to it, Lazs ol' buddy. Don't look to ice cores to prove the CO2 link, though. It's been established via those ice cores that CO2 followed the warming, not preceeded it (by something like 800 years, if I recall correctly). Perhaps chicken bones or tea leaves would be a better choice for the GWBC ("Global Warming Booster Club").
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Originally posted by Eagler
makes you wonder why we are getting record cold months if the place is heating up so terrible ...
Climate Summary February 2007 (http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html)
Nope. I don't wonder at all.
"Global warming" translates into changing weather patterns and increased energy in the atmosphere. Overall the Earth's average temperature increases. "Climate shift" is probably a better term for it, but we are stuck with "global warming" and folks thinking the world is all turning into South Florida from it's effects. Much more complicated than that.
Warmer planet means increased energy in the atmosphere which begets more and stronger storm systems. Shifting weather patterns result in Amazon River Basin drought and the mighty Amazon drying up these past three years. Year round tornadoes become the norm in North America. The South Atlantic sees it's first Hurricane in recorded history. Hurricanes become stronger and more frequent when El Nino years does not break them up.
There is also the heavy increase of pollutants from China's industrial expansion that is starting to effect the Pacific North West of the Americas. More cloud cover. More storm systems. Acid rain.
Melting ice caps and glaciers raise sea levels. The sea's salinity levels fall, thus ocean currents become less effective at transmitting heat from the equator to higher latitudes. Global warming can translate into a mini ice age for the NE of America and northern Europe.
I fully expect to see colder winters and severe storms in the Pacific NW and New England States in the future as a result. I expect to see more severe snowfalls in New York State as the Great Lakes fail to get cold enough in winter from their higher summer temperatures to freeze over. I expect lake effect snows to be huge.
At least until all the permafrost in Siberia melts, and deep sea beds defrost, and megatons of sequestered carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere to provide even more green house gases. At that point, all bets are off.
Between climate shift and the coming oil shock at some future point in time, the 21st Century is gonna be one heck of a ride!
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recorded history
That's the key right there. Our recorded history is minuscule compared to the actual time line that the earth has been through.
To think that we can accurately judge what will happen (as you have done) is childish.
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Sabre,
Here is a short read on the CO2 lagging temperature. Would be interested in your comments.
http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=13 (http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=13)
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tedbr...if the global warming is caused by man and industry and, as you say.. it is the total energy and total overall warmth of the planet then how do you explain the global warming and cooling (in overall temp) of the planet since the 1900's (or any time for that matter)?
If it is man made how can we have a cooling in 1920 and then a heating in 1940 then another cooling in 1970 and now a warming that still hasn't reached the 1940 level and... appears to be near it's end.. we will probly enter a cooling cycle.
it depends on the sun or volcanoes or... a lot of things I suppose.
I think they shut down research and the scientists aren't howling about it because they will find that the earth is warming and cooling to the beat of a different drummer than man.
lazs
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"If it is man made how can we have a cooling in 1920 and then a heating in 1940 then another cooling in 1970 and now a warming that still hasn't reached the 1940 level and... "
Temperature swings are there without being man made. We just add our stuff to the business.
And the heating in 1940? Yes, the summer in England was actually quite warm, especially in July and August, then it was followed up with a WINTER.
Then, some time later, between 1941 and 1942 there was this cold buggery winter on the continent of Europe. Unforgettable really...
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why would we have global cooling in 1970? What was different about what man was doing than in 1940 say?
lazs
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Whoo boy. Here we go again.
Amongst all the screaming and moaning, teeth gnashing , etc. you hardly ever see the practical side discussed. Wonder why that is? I suspect mainly due to the fact that it completely washes out and blows away anything that has been suggested so far.
Practical??----> Money. That`s what the whole thing is about.
The little, unheard of, backwards areas around the globe have a large biscuit in hand and are patiently waiting to sop the gravy from this fiasco.
When and if restrictions get to the point of severely cutting into the profits and severely limiting production of large companies due to such total horse crap as Kyoto and other bands of senseless groups...........what do you think the large companies will do?
They will simply move operations to such a place that will not only allow them to avoid the current restrictions and limitations, but will also allow them to revert back to mass production with NO restrictions.
Countries and areas with raw sewage and toxins running in open ditches, etc. and with a population trying to survive on below adequate resources aren`t overly concerned on how things are done. Many would gladly open the doors to to what a few large companies could bring them. It`s called survival.....the moment....NOW.
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Sad but true Jackal, it's the money.
However short term practical and long term practical can be completely different matters.
People tend to try and make the best of the moment, with not too much thought about the future distant enough to occure after their own death.
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Originally posted by Angus
Sad but true Jackal, it's the money.
However short term practical and long term practical can be completely different matters.
People tend to try and make the best of the moment, with not too much thought about the future distant enough to occure after their own death.
Yep. That`s why the whole fiasco is just that.......a fiasco. It`s similar to buying a brand new, very sharp knife.......................a nd attempting to cutting your own throat.
With countries around the globe just itching to get their "big chance" and others sitting with twitching fingers on the buttons to make a name for themselves or for revenge purposes and no one being able to agree on which way the wind is blowing, the only thing any of this is going to do is put some cash in someone else`s stash.
"Money, get back.
I`m all right jack keep your hands off of my stack.
Money, its a hit.
Don`t give me that do goody good bull****.
I`m in the high-fidelity first class traveling set
And I think I need a lear jet."
:)
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I rather hope we're not going to get properly screwed though. Maybe we're just going to have the planet cough us away for a while?
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Global warming can translate into a mini ice age for the NE of America and northern Europe.
I saw that movie too, I'm off to lock myself in a library with a box of matches.
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Originally posted by tedrbr
Global warming can translate into a mini ice age for the NE of America and northern Europe.
does that mean the Canadians will come down here to stay?
ohnoes....:O