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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Reschke on March 08, 2007, 04:43:40 PM
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Yeah its a little different but I like the way the 6.8 round shoots. It is very similar to a .270 round and has a great trajectory.
http://www.impactguns.com/store/BFMM468.html
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Barret makes a fine weapon. Strikes fear into the hearts of liberals and Californians everywhere. :D
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I saw that on Futureweapons last night. Is the US military going to start using it anytime soon?
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Originally posted by Dago
Barret makes a fine weapon. Strikes fear into the hearts of liberals and Californians everywhere. :D
Only the stupid among us californians. I for one love shooting
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Originally posted by Curval
I saw that on Futureweapons last night. Is the US military going to start using it anytime soon?
Dunno. I've heard so many different things about the different weapons the US is going to change to that I am unsure as to what's true, what's been canned, and what was just a rumor to begin with.
I personally will make an M82a1 one of my first purchases when I win the lottery. I just love that feeling of being able to reach out and touch someone.
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The only solution to the gun ban crisis is to buy more guns, just in case. Because if you wait until you actually NEED one, it's far too late. Just ask any of the genocide victims throughout history how that whole unarmed pacifist thing worked out when the uniformed govt employees who were "only doing their jobs" knocked on the door.
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Almost forgot to add... Shooting Times recently reviewed a 6.5 Grendel chambered AR mod... Very nice weapon. Pricy as hell... I remember 10 years ago thinking $700 was an awful lot for a new AR, but now you're lucky to get just the lower for $1000. A good AR variant will, just like the barret in that link, cost over $2000. Damn gun control freaks... They simply shouldn't cost that much, and the gun control efforts are just making them more popular.
I think I'd like one of the improved calibre AR variants. The 6.5mm grendel isn't terribly impressive except for the fact that it's about the most performance you can get from the AR-15 platform, and you can get pretty good accuracy and a 30 rd magazine in a reasonably durable and easily maintained rifle. It makes this a nearly perfect "sport" hunting rifle, except for in a few locations that mandate limited-capacity magazines in hunting rifles.
Silly me, I spent $350 for a mini-14 when it would have been a much better investment to buy a high quality pre-ban AR for $800. The mini is still worth about $350 and shoots like crap, but the AR would be a tack-driver out to 300 yds and would be worth $1,500 by now.
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but the mini 14 is still legal in every state I can think of and... for another $500 you can get it rebarreled with a premium barrel and it will give you sub 1" groups at 100 yards too.. Not the best solution but a workable one.
I think the best thing anyone who believes in the second amendment can do is buy a gun or.. buy another one and... join the NRA.. if you don't belong to the NRA then you really are not helping.
The fact that about half of American adults are armed (legally) and the fact that the NRA has almost 5 million members is the only reason they haven't been able to pass UK/UN gun control laws here.
lazs
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Don't forget to buy ammo, plenty of it!
I agree on joining the NRA, it is vital in todays political climate more so then ever to support the NRA and the battle they are waging on our behave to protect our second amendmant rights.
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learning to reload ammo is a fun and useful skill.
lazs
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post-ban Calif. mini-14s have a 5-rd magazine welded into the receiver. Total piece of crap.
A match grade heavy barrel AR will beat a rebuilt mini-14 any day. I've shot both, and seen my brother hit a running jackrabbit at 25 yds with his AR. It's simply a better rifle. Yea the mini will keep firing after being abused where the AR will start to jam, but a decent AR will still be more accurate and easier to field-maintain than the mini.
That's why I don't own an accurized AK variant... it's just not that good of a basic weapon. Yea you can MAKE it more accurate, but the basic gun trades accuracy for reliability. If I need ultimate reliability, I'll use my a-bolt and just reload more often.
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Any of you have a "Lifetime Membership" to the NRA?
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Originally posted by Xargos
Any of you have a "Lifetime Membership" to the NRA?
I'll get flak for this but I have yet to join. But, now that things have somewhat stabilized in the Family, I'm gonna talk to the wife about an "EPL Lifetime Membership". 40 payments of $25 is worth it to me.
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Honestly? No, I don't. We always get GREAT deals to join the NRA while at gun shows, including free magazines, stickers, half off...
So we rejoin every year to a year and a half.
It might be cheaper in the long run, but the money's going to a good source anyway.
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I've been a life member for over 30 years.
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Lifetime member here and it was purchased for me by my father and grandfather when I turned 18.
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Haven't done the Lifetime member thing yet, rather I re-sign for 3 years whenever my membership is coming due. Still waiting to see if I won the Tom Selleck Quigley rifle. :)
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Originally posted by Dago
Barret makes a fine weapon. Strikes fear into the hearts of liberals and Californians everywhere. :D
No fear of weapons here, we're just leery of some of the bats**t crazy owners.
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The elected representatives of the Republic of Kalifornia have banned the .50 caliber rifle. Barretts main product. It scares them.
When the LAPD sent .50 cal rifles to Barrett for repair, Ronnie Barrett refused to service the rifles, then told the LAPD he wouldn't ship them back into California, they would have to send someone to get them, and that is what they had to do.
Good for him.
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yeah flatbar... most liberals are afraid of the people... maybe that is why everyone in big cities is so unfriendly.
The ar is not my idea of a good design.. it craps where it eats. Still.. keep it clean and it is ok.. the caliber is weak.
The one I am tempted to get is the .50 beowulf conversion for ar.
The 6.8 sounds tempting tho.
lazs
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Robinson arms is supposed to be coming out with a 6.8mm version of their xcr rifle which looks like a better weapon than an ar with the m468 upper. I'm not fond of the ar15 design either. Arsenal makes probably the best of the most modern ak variants which run in the $500-$900 new. AKs are good rifles but the ergonomics are god awful.
There's another caliber of upper for the ar that shoots something as big as the 50 beowulf but the ammo is cheaper, I can't recall the caliber.
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http://www.impactguns.com/store/RA-XCR-C-556.html
And only $1,300, that's cheaper than the m468 which is only half of a rifle.
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458 socom is the caliber I was trying to think of. But honestly, if I wanted that kind of hand howitzer power from an assault rifle I think I would just get a saiga 12ga.
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Originally posted by lazs2
The one I am tempted to get is the .50 beowulf conversion for ar.
My buddy had one. handsomehunk sold it for less than $800 and didn't tell me.:huh
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Originally posted by Suave
http://www.impactguns.com/store/RA-XCR-C-556.html
And only $1,300, that's cheaper than the m468 which is only half of a rifle.
Wrong answer. I don't want anything in 5.56. If I wanted to have a pop gun then I would join the military and get my hands on one that way.
OH and BTW today there was an excellent decision in Washington D.C....The home of our DEMOCRAT led congress.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601103&sid=auA204trHM0Y&refer=us
These judges actually decided that the 2nd Amendment means something instead of being used as an ACLU/Democrat launching pad for arguments.
"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."
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Then buy the 6.8mm spc version of it, or even the 308. Spaz.
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I'd be more interested in the round if the ammo was actually available. Does anyone have actual documentation of military trials for either the weapon or round? I remember the furor over the "new" heavier projectile ammo but haven't seen much of anything on either this rifle or ammo yet.
I'm still a fan of the .308 (7.62 Nato) anyhow. It's a good round even in a "carbine" sized weapon. One of my favorite rifles to shoot is a Remington 600 in .308 more so that my bull barreled Ruger in the same cartridge.
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For civilian weapons, which are nearly all semi-automatic, wouldnt 7.62mm be optimum?
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
For civilian weapons, which are nearly all semi-automatic, wouldnt 7.62mm be optimum?
That's a hard question to answer and will surely spawn plenty of "discussion". ;)
The truth is, it all depends on what you want to do with it. There are plenty of good choices. 7.62 NATO is a tough choice right now because the ammo market isn't being very cooperative, although the cartridge is accurate and powerful.
Personally, I'm currently spoiled on the 5.45mm 7N6 round. I just think it's neato.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
For civilian weapons, which are nearly all semi-automatic, wouldnt 7.62mm be optimum?
Yes it is. Nothing beats my pair of Garands (except for ejection problems on the second one).
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M1 Garand is 30-06
M14 is 7.62 NATO
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I was referring to all 30 caliber rounds in general when I typed 7.62mm, I shouldn't have been so specific.
The Garand is a good example of a 30 caliber round being used very effectively in a semi-automatic weapon.
I have my doubts that any weapon without a mount can be fired effectively in fully-automatic mode. Whether its 7.62mm in the M-14, or 5.56mm in the M-16, I've never heard anything positive about fully automatic fire, unless its from a bipoded/tripoded/mounted machine gun.
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Originally posted by john9001
M1 Garand is 30-06
M14 is 7.62 NATO
M1 garand is 7.62x63mm...
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Yes it is. Nothing beats my pair of Garands (except for ejection problems on the second one).
A pair of M14s would. :D
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Disagree...
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Is it true that an M14 is an automatic garand that has been modified to use a magazine rather than a clip?
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You guys need one of these here.
(http://www.registeredmedia.com/gallery/files/5/original_nokiagun.jpg)
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Is it true that an M14 is an automatic garand that has been modified to use a magazine rather than a clip?
Not quite. While there is a great degree of similarity they aren't the same weapon or even receiver. The M14 was set up for the 7.62 Nato round as well and not the 06. The M14 does have a magazine ammo setup vs the clip like the Garand.
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Actually the M14 WAS derived from the M1 Garrand. The operating priciple is the same in both weapons along with the same basic receiver. The trigger group was modified to allow for full auto firing and it was re-chambered from the 30-06 of the M1 to the .308 / 7.62mm NATO for the M14. The internal magazine of the M1 was removed and replaced with an external removable 20rd box magazine on the M14. Many parts are interchangable between both weapons.
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I find the .308 the best overall round for shooting at anything under 500 yards, unless it's in thick woods then I prefer a 30-30. Anything beyond 500 yards the 300 Winchester Magnum is the bomb. Never fired a .50 so I can't say anything about that.
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Originally posted by Dago
A pair of M14s would. :D
I really want a SOCOM 1. I think it would compliment my M1A rather well.:D
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Originally posted by Slash27
I really want a SOCOM 1. I think it would compliment my M1A rather well.:D
The SOCOMS just don't appeal to me that much. The M1A in a SAGE stock is pretty cool looking, but the SAGE stock actually sucks as a combat stock.