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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Hornet33 on March 08, 2007, 06:55:24 PM
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Spent at least half an hour defending a base from GV's in my F6F. Racked up 10 kills after hitting the re-arm pad 3 times. Go to hit it again and run out of fuel right as I'm taxiing to the pad. Plane stops 5ft away from the concrete and I end up with a ditch for my effort. :furious
What a bunch of crap!!!! I'm going to the bar and get drunk.:mad:
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where else would you draw the line?
if they changed it so that you could land kills anywhere on the airfield 'terrain tile' then people would complain when they ditch just short of this target.
tarmac is fair, and easy to see where and where not to land.
maybe we should be able to get out and push the planes if we land just short? :)
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I'm game for anything on the airfield counts as a landing and anything on concrete at your own base should be a landing no matter what.
Considering most small airstrips around the world are dirt, I wouldn't think a grass landing on the fields should be a ditch. Assuming you are still on your landing gear and you didn't do a belly landing.
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Hmmm...yes...anywhere on base...if you have landing gear on and no pilot wound...but yes, then ppl would be complaining about landing 5 ft short of base...
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Landing anywhere within the airfield boundry should be a landing and not a ditching. Half the fields used in war prior to jets where not concrete. Same for landing at a GV base. Get inside the base, should be a landing, not a ditching.
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I made an entire 512x512 arena that is one big concrete tile for exactly this reason. Submitted to HTC about 22 months ago. No word yet on whether it will make the rotation, but I've still got my fingers crossed.
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if your short of the base then your short get over it but it is reall frustrating to go on a long bomombing run come back land a wounded b-26 with only 1 gear and skid just barley off the runway *im talking were i can look to the left and see the damn thing a few feet away* and get nothing for your efforts. I'm all for skill in landing but atleast give it like a few feet in error, if your over in the grass way off target fine ill take a ditch but being right next to the strip to the point if you were to bail out you can step 3 feet to the right and be on it is kinda anoying. Just my 2 cents.....
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Spent at least half an hour defending a base from GV's in my F6F. Racked up 10 kills after hitting the re-arm pad 3 times. Go to hit it again and run out of fuel right as I'm taxiing to the pad. Plane stops 5ft away from the concrete and I end up with a ditch for my effort. :furious
What a bunch of crap!!!! I'm going to the bar and get drunk.:mad:
so, um, which bar?
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when you all say 'get nothing for your effort' or such like, what exactly do you gain extra from landing other than a few WTGs from your squaddies.
i had 12 kills in a P51 the other day.
it was more satisfying to turn round and lose to a spit16 trying for my 13th kill than landing the 12 and getting WTGs from people.
personally i find the WTG system a bit annoying at times, if a newby lands 3 kills i will send an S! or a WTG or something, but if its a vet i generaly wouldnt say anything unless the sortie is outstanding.
the other day i took an la7 to a furball and got 8 kills pretty quick. i actually augered on purpose because i didnt want to land and get WTGs for such a dweeby sortie.
worry less about landing and more about enjoying the mission.
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any rationale to get another drink is a good one. shut up you tools.
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So should HT simply widen every bit of contrete by 5 feet in each direction? Maybe the CV deck as well? Would you be happy with that? But would the next guy, who is even less capable at fuel management than you are, want another 5 feet?
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Originally posted by kamilyun
I made an entire 512x512 arena that is one big concrete tile for exactly this reason. Submitted to HTC about 22 months ago. No word yet on whether it will make the rotation, but I've still got my fingers crossed.
No trees? Sha-weet!
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i dont want 5 feet wider landing strip or carrier all im asking is for a margian of error, I dont care about wtgs i just want to land :P, Im not asking for a total do over on the size of strips, more like a shoulder on the side so if you stray a bit you will be fine, Or I can just get better at landing lol but withwer way i do second the motion to go to a bar, A round of jack for all on me
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i dont know this is one major reason i dont land with gear. i have had 2 many accedents where i roll off the runway with 10 kills. ya i was pist. i think landing on the field should be like a landing slash ditch. it says you have landed this many kills but it wouldnt give you all the points. like when you ditch it doesnt hurt your K/D but you dont get as many points. pretty good idea?
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
so, um, which bar?
Hornett likes to go to the Tool box on mulberry in NYC, in his best leather.
soon as he gets there he pepper sprays himself(so he can't identify attacker) then hog ties his wrists to his ankles with High Tensile toilet paper.
and let the party begin,,,, cue the Village people
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Doobs is an prettythang!!!!!!!!!!!! If he wasn't in my squad and I didn't actualy know the guy for real I'd probably hate him. I mean is he is from Jersey and has a red hair and a mullet so go figure.
He's just wants a cowboy hat like mine and to look as good as I do:aok
Oh and the Bar was Sneeky Pete's in Virginia Beach and I had 5 beers and 2 shots of Jim Beam, played 3 games of pool, won 2 of them, and got a chicks phone number, so wasn't really all that bad a night considering.:D
It's all about the hat!!! Chicks dig a guy in a cowboy hat:O
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9 minutes u gettin slow, and what mullet? yeah back in the early nineties I had it but not today.
I cut my hair, but you can't cut your paper hat you like to wear.
not to mention yor a seaman
got a chicks phone number, what old age home?
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That was a straw Stetson hat son....get it right. It was summer in Dallas, only a posser wears a felt in summer in Texas.
The chick is 35, nice smackable butt and big boobs so bite me you red headed step child!!!!! :lol :lol :lol
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don't make bring up the waffle affair, the bigggg buttt with blonde hair.
and your hat is the ghey, unless your trying out for the Village people
and how big a hammer did this chick have?
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I wanted NO PART of the chick Waffle was hitting on. You were the one who said you could have her if you wanted too, not me.
And my hat is NOT the ghey you bumbprettythang. It is what REAL cowboys wear and having been raised in Oklahoma I know what I speak of, you Jersey woop:rofl :rofl
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oh sorry there real cowboy, and i appoligize for makin fun of your hat from the brokeback mountain collection.
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Dude you are the suck you know that?? You should be supportive of a fellow squadie that landed a number, but that's OK.
I still have you back........way back. (mutters under breath...hope you die in a fireball to a 1 day noob you looser!!!):rofl
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all I have to say is a one day noob has a better chance of shootin me down than you.:lol
ya know im just bustin balls
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Ya it wouldnt bother me if a land anywhere on the base is a land. Just take gear up landings and make them all ditches.
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Why would/should a gear up landing not count? Sometimes you have to come in fast and stop fast if enemys are around and gear up is a good way to do that. If there's any danger of over-running the runway I'll always come in gear up.
Why would landing with a pilot wound not count? It should count double if anything. Landing while going in and out of a black-out is hard and should be rewarded, not penalized.
Overall, I'd say it's all just fine as is.
Learn to land on the tarmac.
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Originally posted by BaldEagl
Why would/should a gear up landing not count?
Because belly landing is ditching actually?
btw, im happy as it is.
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Originally posted by Oleg
Because belly landing is ditching actually?
btw, im happy as it is.
lol yea there is no justice.. today I landed a p38 that was missing half a wing and 1 engine at landing. I came down too hard and rolled the plane on the strip.. lol I came to a stop upside down and it counted as a landing. Of course this was with only 1 kill on the sortie.
Yet I lost 15 kills in a GV the other day because my tank rolled back wards while on the pad as I ended the sortie.
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Spent at least half an hour defending a base from GV's in my F6F. Racked up 10 kills after hitting the re-arm pad 3 times. Go to hit it again and run out of fuel right as I'm taxiing to the pad. Plane stops 5ft away from the concrete and I end up with a ditch for my effort. :furious
What a bunch of crap!!!! I'm going to the bar and get drunk.:mad:
Oh noes! did you miss out on your wtg's?!?!!! :(
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Now trying doing it in one run instead.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
so, um, which bar?
:rofl
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I would like
3 point landing any where on a field/facility = landing successfully.
Landing with broken gear or gear up = ditch (even on the runway)
However I dont like re arm pads would prefer to see them replaced with player dumped "vehicle supplies" (usable when stationary) which reflect the state of the airfield.
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So I get a ditch just because my gear is damaged in a fight?? Thats pretty dumb.
Anywhere on the airfield should be considered a successfull landing. Didnt the british operate fighters from grass fields? So any spitfire or hurricane landing on a grass field in WWII was considered a ditch?? I dont think so.
Ive always despised the ditch while 2 feet off the R/W. Almost makes you want to fight in dedstik mode rather than chance a grass landing.
IMO change it to anywhere within the field. Landing on a Vbase should remain concrete required tho.
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Originally posted by helbent
So I get a ditch just because my gear is damaged in a fight?? Thats pretty dumb.
Nope, you get a ditch because you didnt get it onto the concrete. haven't you been reading?! :mad:
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Originally posted by Ball
Oh noes! did you miss out on your wtg's?!?!!! :(
Not really. My squad has a Top Aces Board. Have to land 5 kills or better to get on it. I was trying to set the record for the F6F with that sortie, but you have to submit a screen shot of landing the kills to qualify. I was trying to bump off the current record holder. O'well just have to keep working on it.
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Originally posted by Tilt
Landing with broken gear or gear up = ditch (even on the runway)
Yes i have been reading, have you? Thats ok, you might have missed this.
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Originally posted by Hornet33
Not really. My squad has a Top Aces Board. Have to land 5 kills or better to get on it. I was trying to set the record for the F6F with that sortie, but you have to submit a screen shot of landing the kills to qualify. I was trying to bump off the current record holder. O'well just have to keep working on it.
I see. Fair enough then :)
Originally posted by helbent
Yes i have been reading, have you? Thats ok, you might have missed this.
I was just messing about. I agree that the idea is dumb.
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Actually, IMHO it would be kinda cool if damage to your aircraft were to have an affect - although exactly what in the context of AH would make sense I'm unsure. Something to simulate the amount of work the ground crew would need to do to return the airframe to service, at any rate.
And on a related thought, as much as I detested the lack of visibility (2 1/2 miles and "pea soup") and performance issues in WWIIOL, the implementation of supply made for tremendous richness to the sim itself - and on the airwar front, it greatly increased desire to successfully return your aircraft to an airfield, which had a positive effect on how many people flew because if you lost your ride you might not be able to get another. And for the war effort, it meant that attrition had an affect - shooting someone down meant something more than just removing an immediate threat for the next 3 minutes.
Of course the flip-side is that it made for significant opportunities for player-player clashes, too. Idiots who took off under a cap affected your ability to take an aircraft later when the field wasn't capped, and it was highly frustrating to sign onto the game and find no aircraft to fly anywhere. And accusations of griefing were the order of the day. Especially while many took into account the supply limitations and flew accordingly, many did not - so it really highlighted in a negative way the individualistic nature of a MMOG and the lack of top-down control that are the extreme opposite of a real military venture.
But when it worked right, it was pretty awesome.
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Originally posted by kamilyun
I made an entire 512x512 arena that is one big concrete tile for exactly this reason. Submitted to HTC about 22 months ago. No word yet on whether it will make the rotation, but I've still got my fingers crossed.
:noid
:rofl
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I agree that landing on grass at a field should be considered successfull.
However crashing into the ground on a runway and still surviving may be miraculaous..even (when damaged) skillfull but is is not a successfull landing and even in RAF parlance it would be a ditch.
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Not really. My squad has a Top Aces Board.
We have a top aces board too, you just have to land more kill steals than Slapshot. :asok
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if the the feild then becomes a giant landing strip...it wouldnt change much.if a pilot has enough skil to land his plane dead stick than shouldnt he get a confirmed landing?
Thats just my opinion, but i find it hard to believe that every pilot in WWII always landed on the runway.
Flameboy
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Originally posted by Flame 2 the boy
if the the feild then becomes a giant landing strip...it wouldnt change much.if a pilot has enough skil to land his plane dead stick than shouldnt he get a confirmed landing?
Thats just my opinion, but i find it hard to believe that every pilot in WWII always landed on the runway.
Flameboy
Yup but every pilot that ditched successfully was dang happy to make it back.
I bet they weren't whining about no wtg for ditching.
:D
Bronk
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Originally posted by helbent
So I get a ditch just because my gear is damaged in a fight?? Thats pretty dumb.
Anywhere on the airfield should be considered a successfull landing. Didnt the british operate fighters from grass fields? So any spitfire or hurricane landing on a grass field in WWII was considered a ditch?? I dont think so.
You want landing counts more realistic, right?
Yes, landing anywhere on field (or even just close to field) counts as "landing" in RL. But belly landing always counts as "ditch", no matter where it landed.
If you want to know why you must land in tarmac to get landing message use the f. search button together with "hitech" nick.
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cmon dude u can land in a zillion places on the field...u can be on fire and missing wings and still get a good landing. You were fighting GV"S! How hard is it to judge how much gas u need to rtb...or did one of the defenseless tanks drag u 20 miles from feild? :lol
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Originally posted by Bronk
Yup but every pilot that ditched successfully was dang happy to make it back.
I bet they weren't whining about no wtg for ditching.
:D
Bronk
you do make a point...i guess being alive is better than being dead no matter what happens to your plane or kills
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what jaxxo said...you can land on the auto gun if ya want...
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Originally posted by Flame 2 the boy
if the the feild then becomes a giant landing strip...it wouldnt change much.if a pilot has enough skil to land his plane dead stick than shouldnt he get a confirmed landing?
Thats just my opinion, but i find it hard to believe that every pilot in WWII always landed on the runway.
Flameboy
i cant stop watching your avatar, love it, the animation style has a very subtle yet technicaly detailed effect. did you make it or find it? great job if you made it.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
i had 12 kills in a P51 the other day.
it was more satisfying to turn round and lose to a spit16 trying for my 13th kill than landing the 12 and getting WTGs from people.
I call BS.
You have 30 kills in the 51D to 11 deaths. Hardly a record that instills us with belief in a 12 kill sortie.
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It's been on the 'Net for ages Bat. I've seen it for a while, here and there. I always liked it. I also like the stick man fighting ones with the kendo or kenpo or whatever (the stickmen using sticks to fight).
Oh, and....
<-- (*cough*12inaC202*cough*)
(*looks at Hornet innocently*)
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WTG Krusty on the 12 in a C205. I've never claimed to be an uber stick so 10 for me was pretty dang good, even though I was hitting the re-arm pad to do it.
My personal best is 9 in a P-47D-40, all air to air, and landed them.
And Jaxxo, I was in the process of RTB'ing with one egg left over when I saw someone spawn a Flack. I turned around and went back for him and that took a couple of minutes to get lined up for a good drop. Checked E6B on final and had 1 minute of gas left. Figured it would be enough but like I said, 5ft short.
O'well, it was just frustrating is all.
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^--- quick correction, that's 12 in the 202
new record for me (10 being as much as I could get previously, in any aircraft).
Usually when I'm in that situation I'll ditch the bomb and rearm. Better to have full gas and get 2-3 more kills than to get 1 more kill and end up ditching. That's just the way I think, though. I pull up e6b and have it up 50% of the time I'm flying. I'm very concious of fuel levels, for some unknown reason.
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I'm usualy the same way with fuel, in this case though I got greedy and it cost me.
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I've noticed the hellcats have short legs anyways... Never liked that about them. Would be nice to get a centerline DT and 2 pylon bombs. It had this in the war, but it isn't modeled in AH.
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Originally posted by B@tfinkV
where else would you draw the line?
if they changed it so that you could land kills anywhere on the airfield 'terrain tile' then people would complain when they ditch just short of this target.
The tarmac thing, in my opinion, is quite silly.
The line does have to be drawn somewhere and I think that line would be better drawn at the airfield boundry.
If i coped a ditch because fell short of the entire field..... fair enough. It would just seem a little bit more realistic than the concrete thing.
Sure, you'd have a few dweebs belly-landing all over the place (which would be rather funny to watch from the tower from time to time), but really.... If one were to return from combat and land somewhere other than the designated landing area your superior officer would hardly say
"Oh, you missed the landing zone by 2 feet, your kills don't count son, sorry."
I suppose that arguement could also be applied by missing the airfield too.... but seriously... who ever does that? It would just seem that missing the runway beacuse you blacked out just after you touched down perfectly on the concrete while dead-stick and were unable to keep the aircraft on the runway during said black-out is a little silly.
Also... while we're discussing this...why would a gear-up landing on the concrete be a ditch? Isn't a ditch being 'forced out of combat by an opponent in a state unfit to return to base?'
That is how I understand it.
If anything, a gear up landing on concrete (or anywhere on the field, in my opinion) would be a crash landing if anything, which is a landing none the less.
As far as I understand, ditching means putting the aircraft down somewhere and having to leave it behind..... behind enemy lines or 15 miles from a bases etc.
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lets just make it easier to get to rearm pads.
the pathway to it is a bit narrow, no?
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Originally posted by Xasthur
T If one were to return from combat and land somewhere other than the designated landing area your superior officer would hardly say
"Oh, you missed the landing zone by 2 feet, your kills don't count son, sorry."
When reading this and other similar postings in this thread I get the impresseion that people do not know that you do not lose your kills just because you ditched. They DO count both for stats as well as score purposes. The only things reduced are score points & perks. And of course, no WTFG for landing 2 kills - and that is probably the biggest issue to many people ;)
So do not make landing easier. If you don`t make it back to the runway, you made an error somewhere. Try again!
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Originally posted by Xasthur
Also... while we're discussing this...why would a gear-up landing on the concrete be a ditch?
If anything, a gear up landing on concrete (or anywhere on the field, in my opinion) would be a crash landing if anything, which is a landing none the less.
But it sure aint a successfull landing......
we have
Landed successfully (pilot and plane can be used almost immediately)
Ditched (pilots survived but plane cannot be used for some time) unless also captured
Bailed(pilot survived plane lost) unless also captured
Crashed (pilot and plane lost)
we dont have crashed landing........
go ask HT which (given only those options) he would consider a successful landing in his RV
land on a grass..................or remove his undercarraige and prop and the integrity of his fuselage on the runway
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"A good landing is one that you can walk away from. A great landing is one where you can use the airplane again." :lol ((c) unknown)
You dont loose anything but silly kill message and little amount of bonus perks if you ditched. But if you actually want that message so bad, do some work for it, dammit.