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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on March 10, 2007, 01:15:10 AM
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link (http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=2937633&page=1)
This is unbelieveable...
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/13/NewtGingrichPhotograph.jpg/160px-NewtGingrichPhotograph.jpg)
Somebody **** Newt Gingrich???
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newt should stick to writing low brow historical fiction.
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Technically, just like depends on what the word "is" is, he's o.k. He wasn't asked under oath weather he was having an affair. Morally and ethically he's a hypocrite but legally he didn't do anything wrong. See, we can agree on something... :D
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click, click, click..
click, click, click..
click, click, click..
THWANGGGGGGGGgggGGGGGGggggGGG GGGggggggGGGggg!!!!! ------> splat.
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Originally posted by Yeager
newt should stick to writing low brow historical fiction.
Yeager,
I've not read him.
Is your assessment spot on, or is that a cheap shot?
hap
p.s. never been a fan much either, I just want to know if you're blowing smoke or not.
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cant stand him.
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I think him and Hilary should hookup.
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Originally posted by Xargos
I think him and Hilary should hookup.
they did
(http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/08/19/gingrich.wedding.ap/story.gingrich.wedding.ap.jpg)
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One lied about it in front of a grand jury, and happened to have the suitcase with the "red button". Big difference if you ask me...
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Any cursory glance of Newt's past will tell you he is an embarrassment to the party.
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Somebody ****** Newt Gingrich?
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Originally posted by Xargos
I think him and Hilary should hookup.
I'll send you the bill for the 6 weeks of psychotherapy necessary to remove that image from my head.
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the quintessential poster child for the neo-cons.
sheese...not many left standing, what's next...coultre caught with a coat hanger?
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Just typical republican & democrat behavior, equally useless and hypocritical.
Watch now as the attack monkeys from each party play fecal twister on cable news discussing this, oh so important issue.. for your amusement.
Meanwhile the country is circling the drain.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
One lied about it in front of a grand jury, and happened to have the suitcase with the "red button". Big difference if you ask me...
a lie is a lie is a lie.
not a hairs breath of difference between.
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Originally posted by JB88
a lie is a lie is a lie.
not a hairs breath of difference between.
Did I miss something?
Bill Clinton did lie. He lied to the press, to the American people ("I did not have sexual relations with that woman") and he lied under oath to the grand jury.
I haven't heard where Newt lied. All I heard was him being asked if he had an affair, and him admitting it.
He may have cheated on his wife, but I guess I didn't hear him lieing about it.
Please show me a quote of him lieing, cause I missed it. Thanks
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he lied to his wife.
a lie is a lie is a lie.
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Originally posted by JB88
he lied to his wife.
a lie is a lie is a lie.
How do you know? Did she ask him? Did she care? Was she seeing someone else?
Maybe you are just stretching to accuse someone you don't like.
If we add lieing to the wife, then we add another lie to Clinton the scumbags legacy.
Clinton spread lies faster than a crop duster spreads bug spray, Newt only was dishonest towards his wife.
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hypocrisy
• noun (pl. hypocrisies) the practice of claiming to have higher standards or beliefs than is the case.
— ORIGIN Greek hupokrisis ‘acting of a theatrical part’.
This net catches many fish.
Regards,
hap
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Originally posted by Dago
How do you know? Did she ask him? Did she care? Was she seeing someone else?
Maybe you are just stretching to accuse someone you don't like.
If we add lieing to the wife, then we add another lie to Clinton the scumbags legacy.
Clinton spread lies faster than a crop duster spreads bug spray, Newt only was dishonest towards his wife.
you may feel free to justify it as much as you wish, but the fact remains, he took an oath, he broke it. he acted in a manner which was inconsistant with the outward moral character which he was trying to progress and he led an attack against a sitting president and allowed for the issue to be turned into one about fidelity (though now he says it was about purjury..whatever) and he made us go through that while he was making a mockery of what other republicans consider to be an institution. (marriage)
a lie is a lie is a lie.
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hey, hey , hey....it was only about sex, time to move on.
jezz, domocraps are such hippycrips.
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Contemplate each of our leaders as individuals and hold them to the highest standards lest we get what we deserve.
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Originally posted by JB88
you may feel free to justify it as much as you wish, but the fact remains, he took an oath, he broke it. he acted in a manner which was inconsistant with the outward moral character which he was trying to progress and he led an attack against a sitting president and allowed for the issue to be turned into one about fidelity (though now he says it was about purjury..whatever) and he made us go through that while he was making a mockery of what other republicans consider to be an institution. (marriage)
a lie is a lie is a lie.
Stretching for the moon under the guise of "moral outrage" now?
Clinton was the most immoral president this country has seen, and the behind the scenes behaviour of the the Clintons is beyond what even Hollywood could write. Clinton didn't have just one affair, he bedded every woman he could, he exposed himself to women who didn't want his attention, and he sexually harrassed others. Then he lied about it all. He lied to his wife, to all of us, and under oath. He was disbarred and embarrassed everyone close to him and our nation.
To compare Newts behavior with Clintons is a hell of a stretch.
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Originally posted by Dago
Stretching for the moon under the guise of "moral outrage" now?
To compare Newts behavior with Clintons is a hell of a stretch.
a lie is a lie is a lie...
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Originally posted by JB88
a lie is a lie is a lie...
So, if I tell my wife there is no Pepsi in the fridge when I know there is one can left, that would be the same as a man coming to the door of a 14 year old girl and saying he is there to check the gas meter when he is really there to rape and kill her?
Newt hasn't been dissbarred yet. He may be your next president though. :rofl
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he wont be.
any moron could tell you that.
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Dago, the Republican party, of which Newt was the head, ran successfully to take control of congress based on the idea they were more "moral" and "responsible". Newt was neither. And, like it or not, JB88 is exactly right on his points. He was no better than Clinton on this issue. Legally, sure, Clinton lied to a grand jury, and he should have done time. This does not negate the hypocrisy of Newt WRT moral behavior.
Newt is a scumbag and is unfit for leadership.
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Any politician when speaking is lieing. Mouth moving means lies flowing.
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Originally posted by JB88
he wont be.
any moron could tell you that.
I think one just did!
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take it elsewhere mightyboy.
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Originally posted by x0847Marine
Just typical republican & democrat behavior, equally useless and hypocritical.
Meanwhile the country is circling the drain.
Excellent post!
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Originally posted by Mightytboy
I think one just did!
:rofl
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(http://www.augustradio.com/special.jpg)
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Heh, that's funny. 'Course in real life he's 6'3" and 275, but other than that, yeah, that's him.
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You know one striking difference between newt and clintoon? It didn't take the FBI and a forensics lab to get newt to finally tell the truth.
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doesnt excuse it though dude.
do you think that he is offering this truth willingly? or is it possible that it's pretty much irrefutable and that is why he is offering it now?
i am no fan of what clinton did, not by any stretch...a lie is a lie is a lie... but newtboy was the leadership that took him on with this issue. it can get as candy coated as you want it to be, but at the end of the day it was a referendum on the morality of our leadership and it's character beyond the scope of the immediate public eye.
it just doesnt make sense to try to justify his behavior or to pretend that any one party is infallible. neither are.
a lie is a lie is a lie.
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Please quote my post where I said it was justified, acceptable or that I excused it. I just pointed out one difference, that's all.
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Originally posted by Maverick
You know one striking difference between newt and clintoon? It didn't take the FBI and a forensics lab to get newt to finally tell the truth.
Actually Mav, they are both the same....both wanted to hide it while they were in office...one was succesful, one wasn't...
Newt "came clean" because he wants to run for office again.
And they are both strikingly similar in that they are men without integrity.
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A true mark of a dumbocrat (as opposed to an "honest" democrat) is insisting that Clinton's impeachment was over an extra-marital blowjob. It was not. It was about the leader of the United States lying under oath in court.
The fact that the lie was about a blowjob is merely embarassing yet oddly convenient to Clinton apologists who use it as to distract everyone from the actual crime he comitted.
If the country decides that Gingrich's political career is over because of his affair, that's fine. But if you put him under oath and asked him about it, he would tell the truth. If you want to say he doesn't deserve to be in office, that's fine. What's good for one party is good for another. But there is a clear distinction between people who will lie under oath to protect themselves, and those who will not. Clinton lied under oath, Gingrich told the truth without even being sworn in.
I haven't seen any quotes where Gingrich said Clinton should leave office because of the blowjob... Mostly he goes on about the lying under oath thing. That might be opportunistic, but certainly not hypocritical.
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a lie is a lie is a lie.
courtroom lies are no worse than non courtroom lies.
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JB88,
I 100% disagree. The United States is a nation built on laws, and our court system is the one true power that holds the US together as one nation. A sitting president lying to his wife is immoral, lying to the press is irritating and could be grounds for a vote of no-confidence, but lying in court is intolerable.
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they are both intolerable eagl.
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We'll have to disagree then JB. The US legal system and many hundreds of years of legal precedent agrees with me though. For proof, look at the penalties for breach of contract or contract fraud, and compare then to the penalties for purjury. And look at how many Presidents have either blatantly or sneakily misled the public on any number of items (such as national security), and how many of them have attempted to lie in court.
You will find a huge difference between mere "public" or "private" statements, and statements made under oath in a court of law. This is not just my opinion, this is all of history speaking.
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Originally posted by Stringer
Actually Mav, they are both the same....both wanted to hide it while they were in office...one was succesful, one wasn't...
Newt "came clean" because he wants to run for office again.
And they are both strikingly similar in that they are men without integrity.
...and the one who hid it, is a hypocrite.
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a lie is still a lie is still a lie....
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Originally posted by JB88
a lie is still a lie is still a lie....
then why is libby going to jail and clinton is not?
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irrelevant.
a lie is a lie is a lie...and a liar is a liar is a liar.
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so , your saying clinton should go to jail for 30 yrs for obstruction of justice?
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no. i am saying that a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie...
how am i not being clear about this?
:confused:
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Hey... speakin of ol' Willy, where the heck has that boy been? I mean his little wifey is runnin for his old job and he aint been any where visible? Tell me the press aint in on that one!
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Originally posted by JB88
no. i am saying that a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie...
how am i not being clear about this?
:confused:
Since you come on this board with this childish "lie is a lie is a lie" nonsense, somehow trying to take a position of some perfect moral high ground, I would like you to tell me, and all that read this thread, that you have managed to go through life without ever having told a lie. Tell us of your great virtue that you should sit in judgement of Newt, or anyone.
Of course, if you try, you will only be lieing yourself. Everyone lies.
But, would you do it in front of a grand jury, would you swear an oath on the bible to answer questions honestly, would you at least at that point decide to have a small modicum of honor in you, a respect for our laws, and the smallest amount of integrity that Clinton lacked, or would you lie like a coward who throws all self-respect out the window in order to try and decieve?
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what anyone else did is irrelevant.
no. i would not do what newt gingrich did. and no, that does not make me morally superior or give me some sense of holier than thou. on the contrary.
lets not pretend that something isnt what it is. and lets not pretend that what he did was insignificant. and lets not try to compare his actions against the actions of others to mute his complete infidelity, both to the god that the religious right so righteously cherish, but to his wife and to the american people.
argue semantics and circumstance all that you want but it doesnt change a thing.
a lie is a lie.
as far as childish goes...consider it a refresher course in the basics. free of charge.
(or do you teach your kids that it is okay to do what newt does because it isnt as bad as what bill did?)
a lie. is a lie. is a lie.
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Originally posted by VWE
Hey... speakin of ol' Willy, where the heck has that boy been? I mean his little wifey is runnin for his old job and he aint been any where visible? Tell me the press aint in on that one!
He's hangin with GH boozin it up with women on bourbon street. Keep those donations comin', w00t!
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Originally posted by JB88
what anyone else did is irrelevant.
no. i would not do what newt gingrich did. and no, that does not make me morally superior or give me some sense of holier than thou. on the contrary.
lets not pretend that something isnt what it is. and lets not pretend that what he did was insignificant. and lets not try to compare his actions against the actions of others to mute his complete infidelity, both to the god that the religious right so righteously cherish, but to his wife and to the american people.
argue semantics and circumstance all that you want but it doesnt change a thing.
a lie is a lie.
as far as childish goes...consider it a refresher course in the basics. free of charge.
(or do you teach your kids that it is okay to do what newt does because it isnt as bad as what bill did?)
a lie. is a lie. is a lie.
What did he lie about?
He had an affair and from what I understand everyone knew about it but no one said anything about it. Does that mean he lied? No!
Clinton lied to everyone.....EVERYONE. Hell he is still lying to this day and you somehow want to say it's the same thing?
I've seen dead dogs that had a better grasp on reality.
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Originally posted by Mightytboy
He had an affair and from what I understand everyone knew about it but no one said anything about it. Does that mean he lied? No!
Mightyboy, I didn't keep tabs on the Gingrich Affair, but I think what JB is driving at, and apologies in advance if I err, the timeframe is coincidental with the Clinton Affair.
To pillory someone for adultery, that is have a hand, lend your voice, root 'em on, etc while one also is being unfaithful to one's spouse is considered in some circles to be bad form.
My own view is let him who is wihtout sin among you cast the first stone. That bounces me off the stone throwing team.
When we ask that our leaders be moral, and find they are not, our reactions can often reveal more about ourselves than their misdeeds.
Should anyone say they are "moral" in any meaningful way -- I'm not talking about some subjective self-styled bogus morality -- they should also behave mercifully. For if they be truthful, they themselves are in need of mercy though perhaps not due the same misdeed.
FWIW, one of the most horrifying short stories in the canon of American literature is "Young Goodman Brown" written by Hawthorne. Poe is spooky as in "boo" I got you. Hawthorne you can't shake he is so unsettling.
All the Best,
hap
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Originally posted by Hap
Mightyboy, I didn't keep tabs on the Gingrich Affair, but I think what JB is driving at, and apologies in advance if I err, the timeframe is coincidental with the Clinton Affair.
To pillory someone for adultery, that is have a hand, lend your voice, root 'em on, etc while one also is being unfaithful to one's spouse is considered in some circles to be bad form.
My own view is let him who is wihtout sin among you cast the first stone. That bounces me off the stone throwing team.
When we ask that our leaders be moral, and find they are not, our reactions can often reveal more about ourselves than their misdeeds.
Should anyone say they are "moral" in any meaningful way -- I'm not talking about some subjective self-styled bogus morality -- they should also behave mercifully. For if they be truthful, they themselves are in need of mercy though perhaps not due the same misdeed.
FWIW, one of the most horrifying short stories in the canon of American literature is "Young Goodman Brown" written by Hawthorne. Poe is spooky as in "boo" I got you. Hawthorne you can't shake he is so unsettling.
All the Best,
hap
I don't think you should lose sight of the reality that when you are POTUS, and you have recently had an affair with an intern, you open yourself up to blackmail and extortion. That is my bigger concern when someone in such an important position exercises such horrible judgement and lack of control.
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hap, clinton committed perjury, it doesnt matter what he lied about , he broke the law.
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Originally posted by Dago
That is my bigger concern when someone in such an important position exercises such horrible judgement and lack of control.
Yes Dago. Mine as well.
Regards,
hap
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I understand what he is saying. I don't disagree that Newt was being immoral but that is not the same as lying under oath.
They both had affairs...who cares? That was never the issue. The issue was his lying to the grand jury. He was trying to cover up his alleged sex crime.
His crime is in no way the same as Newt having an affair.
I am in no way defending Newt and if you want to compare him to Slick on the affair issue I will agree they are the same.
If you want to say Newt's affair is the same as Slick's lying to the Grand Jury then I would have to strongly disagree.
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try to wash what he did away with comparison as much as you want doesnt change a thing.
a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie.
a liar is a liar is a liar.
a hypocrit is a hypocrite is a hypocrite.
(what? are you guys cheating on your wives or something?)
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" lalalalalalala"
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funny. you seem to be confusing my steadfastness with ignorance.
i can do it all day.
(perhaps i should use a symbol like ~* to mean a lie is a lie is a lie...hmmmm)
~*
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Originally posted by JB88
try to wash what he did away with comparison as much as you want doesnt change a thing.
a lie is a lie is a lie is a lie.
a liar is a liar is a liar.
a hypocrit is a hypocrite is a hypocrite.
(what? are you guys cheating on your wives or something?)
I have stated Newt is a scumbag unworthy of service...
but...
...remember the primary purpose of the presidency is to make sure the laws of the land are carried out. In the course of lying not only was Clinton breaking the law, but he was doing it for the purpose of denying a citizen of the country their Constitutional rights.
So...
...it ain't a black-and-white issue the way you are making it sound, JB. I agree with you Clinton is not the issue here, but let's not minimize what he did to the point of absurdity.
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i am not minimizing it. i am tossing it out as a non-issue. different man. different bad.
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Originally posted by Dago
I don't think you should lose sight of the reality that when you are POTUS, and you have recently had an affair with an intern, you open yourself up to blackmail and extortion. That is my bigger concern when someone in such an important position exercises such horrible judgement and lack of control.
its not like speaker of the house is an important job that should be held to any kind of standard or anything.
(rolls eyes)
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Originally posted by JB88
i am not minimizing it. i am tossing it out as a non-issue. different man. different bad.
Actually I think they are related. I think you are absolutely correct to say that a man who, as the head of the "moral party" was himself engaged in the same (or worse) behavior as the man he sought to unseat. The fact Clinton lied under oath was the byproduct of the Right's attempt to get him at all costs for anything whatsoever. Whether or not that was right or wrong, Newt had no business pursuing the issue given his own personal infidelities.
I guess I'm saying Newt misreprented himself, sought to replace a man who was no more immoral than he was. Whether or not he came right out and with his mouth lied about his situation matters not a bit. It would be absurd to have to personally question under oath each and every senator or representative at all levels of government on every single possible transgression, but that's what the apologists for Newt are suggesting. "He wasn't asked, so he didn't lie"? Absurd.
We should expect exemplary character from our leaders. I am not saying infallible, but we should hold them accountable for what they do. When I vote, I do vote based on character as much as anything else. I will take a sincere man or women, even if they are politically opposed to me, over a liar or cheat in my party any day of the week. I'm just foolish enough to believe a sincere person has more value to me as a leader than someone who has no difficulty in trying to hide things from me.
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Regardless of what Newt did in his personal time, he brought us this:
Contract with America.
And implemented the following bills:
The Fiscal Responsibility Act: An amendment to the Constitution that would require a balanced budget, unless sanctioned by a 3/5 vote in both houses of Congress.(Funny, we tend to think Clinton balances the budget...)
The Taking Back Our Streets Act:An anti-crime package including stronger truth-in-sentencing, "good faith" exclusionary rule exemptions.
The Personal Responsibility Act:An act to cut spending for welfare programs by means of discouraging illegitimacy and teen pregnancy.
The American Dream Restoration Act: An act to create a $500-per-child tax credit, begin repeal of the marriage tax penalty, and creation of American Dream Savings Accounts to provide middle-class tax relief.
The National Security Restoration Act: An act to prevent U.S. troops from serving under United Nations command unless the president determines it is necessity for the purposes of national security, to cut US payments for UN peacekeeping operations, and to help establish guidelines for the voluntary integration of former Warsaw Pact nations into NATO.
The "Common Sense" Legal Reform Act: An act to institute "Loser pays" laws (H.R.988, passed 232-193, 3/7/95), limits on punitive damages and reform of product-liability laws to prevent what the bill considered frivolous litigation. (Clinton veto'd this, surprise! His wife was a lawyer!)
The Job Creation and Wage Enhancement Act: A package of measures to act as small-business incentives; capital-gains cuts and indexation, neutral cost recovery, risk assessment/cost-benefit analysis, strengthening the Regulatory Flexibility Act and unfunded mandate reform to create jobs and raise worker wages. (Yet we still think of Clinton being responsible for the tech boom!)
The Citizen Legislature Act: An amendment to the Constitution that would have imposed 12-year term limits on members of the US Congress (i.e. six terms for Representatives, two terms for Senators). (Rejected by the US House)
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Ripsnort, it's fair to say someone could post a long list of Clinton's accomplishments, and it would be every bit as valid.
I disliked Clinton intensely; anyone who read this board during his presidency knows that. But it was his character I found so disgusting, not his political acumen.
I find Newt no less repugnant. It may be even more so, because Newt was roasting Clinton while living a lie himself.
I don't lockstep with any party. Crap stinks no matter who lays it.
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Clinton brought about the Family Medical Leave Act, that doesn't give him the right to lie under oath.
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it's not about clinton or what clinton did. it's about gingrich and what gingrich did.
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Clinton brought us NAFTA, and for that alone he should be drawn and quartered.
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"it seems to be like some sort of virus that takes over the host captain."
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We're coming for you next 88. :D
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bring it.
:cool:
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knock knock knock...
me - "who iiiiiiis iiiiiit?"
them - "crazy people who have been brainwashed to follow leaders who could care less about us and yet we love them so."
me - "hiel reagan and alls zat iz zee republicanz partiez of amerikaaaaaz!!! HEIL BOOOSH!!!! DOWN WIZ ZEE KLINTONZ!!!!"
them - "must be the wrong house. sorry to have bothered you sir"
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oh ya. almost forgot.
it's not about clinton.
its about newt.
a lie is a lie is a lie.
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Whuttevah.
Whatever point you're trying to make, aside from the juvenile, is being lost.
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I was wondering where all my booze went. It must have been 88 who drank it.:D
I still love you though 88.
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is jb88 a little kid?
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and original too. your mother must be proud dago.
;)
but lets get back on track here shall we?
newt lied.
he shamed the american people.
he shamed the republican party.
he will never be president.
(now fred thompson...he is a man who just might have what it takes)
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Originally posted by JB88
and original too. your mother must be proud dago.
;)
but lets get back on track here shall we?
newt lied.
he shamed the american people.
he shamed the republican party.
he will never be president.
(now fred thompson...he is a man who just might have what it takes)
I'm serious, your posts in this thread struck me so juvenile, I thought you might be a kid. Still do for that matter. How old are you?
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look dago.
im dead serious about newt.
a lie is a lie is a lie. he has shamed our people and should be held accountable, if only politically lest we continue to degrade the strong fabric that once held this country together.
as far as your commentary...well, take it however you would like. i am 37 and i still have a sense of humor.
so what?
seems to me that whenever anyone has a criticism for any republican demigog that the subject gets turned into an a priori arguement. please tell me that you have something better in your arsenal.
stay on topic dear man. its just not that hard.
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Originally posted by JB88
he has shamed our people and should be held accountable, if only politically lest we continue to degrade the strong fabric that once held this country together.
My my, a little given to the dramatic aren't you? "shamed our people"?
You must really hate Clinton then.
If you imprisoned every congressman who cheated on his wife, the jails would be full and the Congress a lot quieter.
I happened to think the President lieing under oath to a grand jury is a bit more serious.
To say the American people are willing to overlook indiscretions is an understatement, as the saying goes, "Ted Kennedys car has killed more people than my guns".
Where is your outrage at that? Why aren't you hounding him?
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kennedy wont be president either.
i am not saying that newt should be jailed. i am saying that he should never hold office again and that he should be ashamed of himself for leading our country through a trial that he himself could not have passed.
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Originally posted by JB88
kennedy wont be president either.
i am not saying that newt should be jailed. i am saying that he should never hold office again and that he should be ashamed of himself for leading our country through a trial that he himself could not have passed.
Agree entirely.
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Originally posted by JB88
kennedy wont be president either.
i am not saying that newt should be jailed. i am saying that he should never hold office again and that he should be ashamed of himself for leading our country through a trial that he himself could not have passed.
so, this newt guy forced clinton to lie under oath, lie to hillery, lie to the american people (i never had sex yada yada).
now i know why you fear this newt guy, he must be very powerful and dangerous.
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lol.
you must be some sort of comedian.
i have been misreading you all along john. you are actually being funny. lol
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The interesting part is the reaction of the observers.
Clinton lied under oath about an affair yet his supporters on the liberal side felt he should remain in office.
Gingrich lied to his wife, admitted it to the public when simply asked and only a very few on either the liberal or conservative side feel he remains qualified to hold public office. (I am not one of those.)
We get the politicians we deserve. If you can defend Clinton's lie, you deserve lying politicians.
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“Clinton lied under oath!”
Hmm, I didn't know that Willy was convicted of lying under oath. Is that statement a lie, or is it simply...inoperative?
“I did not have 'sexual relations' with that woman, Ms. Lewinski.”
Blackwells Law Dictionary defined 'sexual relations' as sexual intercourse. Willy was telling the truth. He did not have sexual intercourse with Ms. Lewinski...the cigar did.
“Did you have 'sexual contact' with Ms. Lewinski?”
Of course not! The mouth is not legally defined as a sex organ. If Willy's peter was in contact with Ms. Lewinski's mouth, then it would be correct to say that she had sexual contact with him.
Aren't lawyers clever? And, when you combine them with a politician, they give us endless hours of amusement watching their testimony.
If one were to say that US District Judge, Susan Webber, was not amused by all of this, that would be true. She found Willy in contempt of her court, and fined him accordingly. Willy chose not to fight the contempt charge, via a trial by jury, and paid the fine.
“a lie is a lie is a lie”
That depends on what the definition of the word is, is :-)