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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: wrag on March 12, 2007, 05:37:47 AM
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being sent back to war zone while still injured?
http://www.salon.com/news/2007/03/11/fort_benning/
This doesn't look good!
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It's the new military, run by MBAs and lawyers, answerable to the almighty buck and congressional auditors. Nobody in the military is suprised anymore by anything like the stuff that has hit the news. A lot of the news reports are blown out of proportion but even the stuff that is completely true is not a suprise.
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Bring the rest of the troops home. This is getting rediculous now. Afghanistan makes sense, now it's just kids getting mamed and ridiculed when they come stateside.
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I especially liked it when they sent the re-enlistment paperwork to the dead guys. That was neat.
:huh
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What kids are being ridiculed, and where is this taking place, Masherbrum?
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masher might be talking about the whackos who were taunting the latest stryker brigade to deploy. They lined the streets taunting the troops on the way by, as a way to show their "support".
It's pretty much the same old not-very-fonda-jane influence. She and those like her can't pass up a chance to crap on anyone who swore an oath to defend anything larger than themselves.
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Originally posted by eagl
masher might be talking about the whackos who were taunting the latest stryker brigade to deploy. They lined the streets taunting the troops on the way by, as a way to show their "support".
It's pretty much the same old not-very-fonda-jane influence. She and those like her can't pass up a chance to crap on anyone who swore an oath to defend anything larger than themselves.
Yes eagl. Even though I'm not a veteran, some of us civilians really do care about the welfare and relative safety of the men and women who are lynchpins, in mkaing the US the best country on the planet.
I may only be 33 years old, but I'm sick and tired of veterans being pissed on. Not only that, but having to read some of the BS that's happening isn't helping them "feel needed" either.
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It is our worst national shame that we have NEVER treated our wounded vets as we should.
lazs
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That is a bad deal. I imagine there will always be anti-war protests, but I thought leaving the troops out of it was one lesson we as a Nation learned from the Viet Nam experience. That, and I figured this just must be a more apathetic generation of young people than they were in the late-60s.
Where did that happen? I never saw it on the news.
Those protests aside, Masherbrum, the BS you refer to that we shouldn't have to read about - are you talking about the conditions at Walter Reed's Building 18 that we learned about recently? Or the subject of this link, where injured soldiers medical profiles are being altered so they can be sent back to Iraq?
Are you mad that we have to read about it, or that it is occuring? Are you suggesting it would be better for the troops if these situations weren't being reported in the media?
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Google has been bombed with anti-war links to the protests, so here's one of the anti-war pieces. It is so filled with mis-information (apparently Iraq is practically glowing from the tonnes of depleted uranium we've distributed over every square inch of Iraq) that it's tough to get the real story, but it's in there.
http://community.livejournal.com/antiwar/2918351.html
The quoted soldier is already disgruntled (he says he's totally against the war) but what the article doesn't talk about are the chanted slogans and signs trashing NCOs and of course those evil officers who are responsible for the whole war.
Here's one article that paints a different picture of the protests.
http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/news/opinion/16864338.htm
Looking at pictures of the protests, it's easy for me to believe the kansas city star version.
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I know this is subjective, but protests have always seemed ugly to me, no matter what is being protested.
Michelle Malkin is one of those extreme journalist I thoroughly avoid contact with. That article may have been printed in the KS Star, but it was her column.
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Originally posted by oboe
Those protests aside, Masherbrum, the BS you refer to that we shouldn't have to read about - are you talking about the conditions at Walter Reed's Building 18 that we learned about recently? Or the subject of this link, where injured soldiers medical profiles are being altered so they can be sent back to Iraq?
Are you mad that we have to read about it, or that it is occuring? Are you suggesting it would be better for the troops if these situations weren't being reported in the media?
I grew up in a household of veterans (grandpa USMC, dad Army) and have a bunch of friends in all branches. I'm just fed up with the way vets get treated by the people who "piss on em when able, but then support them in the name of conformity" when the need suits them.
I never served, but if I see one passing by in the mall, sidewalk or anywhere. I will always acknowledge them and thank them for their service. The conditions at Walter Reed sicken me, because these kids are coming hom in worse shape than which they arrived in the first place. But to "come stateside" for medical treatment to a dilpated hospital has to be a further kick in the nuts.
The media is a big portion of it. IMO, keep out of the loop. Let the Military deal with it.
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why keep the media out when they are the only ones bringing it to the light of day?
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There have always been abuses of veterans.. The media can do a service by exposing these abuses. It is a shame that they only do it when it suits their politics tho. Oh well.. it is what we have come to expect from them.
That is why they are dying off.. so hidebound and blinded in their cause that people are turning them off. No amount of makeup or hairspray can save em.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
There have always been abuses of veterans.. The media can do a service by exposing these abuses. It is a shame that they only do it when it suits their politics tho. lazs
Perfectly said lazs.
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Originally posted by lazs2
It is our worst national shame that we have NEVER treated our wounded vets as we should.
lazs
True that.
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Originally posted by lazs2
There have always been abuses of veterans.. The media can do a service by exposing these abuses. It is a shame that they only do it when it suits their politics tho. Oh well.. it is what we have come to expect from them.
That is why they are dying off.. so hidebound and blinded in their cause that people are turning them off. No amount of makeup or hairspray can save em.
lazs
as if people would'nt complain that they were being alarmist or something.
(rolls eyes)
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Originally posted by JB88
why keep the media out when they are the only ones bringing it to the light of day?
:confused:
Agree.
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We have always treated our vets badly 88,, wounded or not and it matters not what group is in power. If you think differently then you are simply easily duped.
So I guess having the republicans in power is the best thing for the vets.. the media will "investigate" the republicans... something is getting done. If a klinton were still in power then nothing would be getting done... and... we wouldn't hear about it.
sooo.. the best thing for veterans is, as always, a republican admin.
lazs
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Retired Major General Paul Eaton disagrees. In a recent interview, Eaton lamented that so many service members believe that conservatives “are good for the military.”
“That is rarely the case. And we have got to get a message through to every soldier, every family member, every friend of soldier,” that the Bush administration and its allies in Congress have “absolutely been the worst thing that’s happened to the United States Army and the United States Marine Corps.”
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I don't recall soldiers being thrilled with klinton or karter. I would say that soldiers got a better deal with republicans than democrats over the years.
It is often a slight difference and sometimes boils down to attitude and respect but... either way... the country, you and I.. have always treated veterans badly.
The real difference... and what you are avoiding responding to, is that the democrats always get a pass from the left wing media.
lazs
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Oboe,
The general didn't say anything about "Conservatives". President Bush is not a conservative. He's a republican, but he left the conservative path long ago.
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Originally posted by wrag
being sent back to war zone while still injured?
http://www.salon.com/news/2007/03/11/fort_benning/
This doesn't look good!
Do you have a cut and paste of this article. They require cookie placement in order to read the article.
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Veterans were treated pretty good after World War II and after Gulf War 1.
In all seriousness, the only time veterans arent treated good is when we are losing the war.
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Originally posted by AquaShrimp
Veterans were treated pretty good after World War II and after Gulf War 1.
In all seriousness, the only time veterans arent treated good is when we are losing the war.
Wrong.
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Originally posted by eagl
Oboe,
The general didn't say anything about "Conservatives". President Bush is not a conservative. He's a republican, but he left the conservative path long ago.
You are absolutely right about that, Eagl. I just watched his interview again and he said "Republicans" not "Conservatives".
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/10/eaton-military/ (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/10/eaton-military/)
Thanks for the correction.