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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Ripsnort on March 13, 2007, 12:30:05 PM
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Auto License in the U.S.: If you are a citizen, should you be required to speak english if you are going to be licensed in the U.S.?
Opinions?
A friend just got hit by an oriental woman (mong?) in Minneapolis (autos). She's a citizen, but couldn't speak a lick of english. The cops had to send for a linguist (sp?) and the whole fiasco took over 2 hours to clear up.
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On the application for a pilots license, the first question is:
1. Can you read, speak and understand english? Yes/No
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Originally posted by Wolfala
On the application for a pilots license, the first question is:
1. Can you read, speak and understand english? Yes/No
What happens if you check no?
I understand that pilots say "NINER" rather than "NINE" due to some "ooops" when Germany started entering US Airspace in commercial airliners after WW2. ;)
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I think licensed drivers should have to be able to read road signs written in English.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
I think licensed drivers should have to be able to read road signs written in English.
What about accidents? How do you speak about exchanging insurance papers if the accident is minor in nature and no police are involved?
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Isn't being a non-english speaking citizen sort of far-fetched?
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
I think licensed drivers should have to be able to read road signs written in English.
Thre reason roadsigns are colored and shaped different is so people can understand what they mean without having to speak English. Nobody, in the past, has suggested a requirement of driving be that one spaeks English, leading me to believe the reason it's being suggested now is anti immigration hysteria.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Auto License in the U.S.: If you are a citizen, should you be required to speak english if you are going to be licensed in the U.S.?
A better question given your constitution would be: Should US citizens need a license at all?
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
What about accidents? How do you speak about exchanging insurance papers if the accident is minor in nature and no police are involved?
I see your point. But I don't think you need to speak the language to exchange name, address and vehicle info. Although I understand that it would make the process a lot easier.
How old was the woman that hit your friend? How rare is it to come across a US citizen with a valid driver's license that doesn't speak a lick of English? Could she have been playing dumb?
In Ohio:
§ 4549.02. Stopping after accident; exchange of identity and vehicle registration.
(A) In case of accident to or collision with persons or property upon any of the public roads or highways, due to the driving or operation thereon of any motor vehicle, the person driving or operating the motor vehicle, having knowledge of the accident or collision, immediately shall stop the driver's or operator's motor vehicle at the scene of the accident or collision and shall remain at the scene of the accident or collision until the driver or operator has given the driver's or operator's name and address and, if the driver or operator is not the owner, the name and address of the owner of that motor vehicle, together with the registered number of that motor vehicle, to any person injured in the accident or collision or to the operator, occupant, owner, or attendant of any motor vehicle damaged in the accident or collision, or to any police officer at the scene of the accident or collision.
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me no speky angrish.
to be a citizen you need a "working knowledge of English", whatever that means. I don't think you need to be a citizen to get a drivers license, example, legal alien, etc.
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I think you should be able to read and write whatever countrys language that you are applying for a license in:aok
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Some states still have the option of taking an oral exam for a drivers license.
You must prove that you can recognize traffic signs and have knowledge of traffic laws.
What some may not know is that there are quite a few people, American citizens, that still don't know how to read and write. The functionaly illiterate should not be discriminated against for their lack of education. My own father had a 3rd grade education and took the California DL test oraly and passed many times.
So, whether you can read and write in english is a non issue for getting a DL in most states. I just don't see that a non english speaker is more or less dangerious on the road if that person has passed the test for his/her DL.
Now, for whipping up the ire of the racists and bigiots and those that are but are in the closet about it, this arguement most likely will work.
IMO
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The Hmong paid a much higher price for freedom than 99% of the lardasses around here. I say we give her a pass.
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If you've been in a country for five or more years, you should be able to speak the language of that land no matter what country it is. If you haven't learned within that period of time you should have NO rights at all except to die.
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Here is an interesting scenario that happened to us in the mid-90's:
My wife got hit by two Russians. Both were citizens, and both couldn't speak a word of english. That is, until the insurance companies had them on the phone with my wife to settle the insurance papers, then both were speaking perfect (yet accented) english.
:rofl
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That's because they where playing the system like so many illegals do. And the tax payers pay for the translators because some are too lazy, or think they are too special, to learn English
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What if that had been a tourist in a rental car? Does the Ripsnortian Authority wish to block those? ;)
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Originally posted by LePaul
What if that had been a tourist in a rental car? Does the Ripsnortian Authority wish to block those? ;)
Here, I made the key sentence in the original post nice and big for you:
Originally posted by Ripsnort
Auto License in the U.S.: If you are a citizen, should you be required to speak english if you are going to be licensed in the U.S.?
Opinions?
A friend just got hit by an oriental woman (mong?) in Minneapolis (autos). She's a citizen, but couldn't speak a lick of english. The cops had to send for a linguist (sp?) and the whole fiasco took over 2 hours to clear up.
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you should be able to READ English, Speak English ( since your in America) Read the road signs (which are international ((duh)) ), and use the mph system instead of KPH system, drive on the RIGHT side of the road ( not the sidewalk)
and know the difference between a red light, yellow light, and green light.
Now let me say I believe that EVERYBODY should be able to do this not just non citizens, our own people should be able to do them too.
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Green light means pause...:D
Right dmf?
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Originally posted by Viking
A better question given your constitution would be: Should US citizens need a license at all?
Driving is a privilege, not a "right".
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Originally posted by namvet
The Hmong paid a much higher price for freedom than 99% of the lardasses around here. I say we give her a pass.
The question posed is not about "her", but rather the higher level of "should a citizen have a general concept and basic understanding of the host country language in order to have the privilege of automobile transportation within said host country?"
Maybe its just me, but if I moved to Germany, and became a permanent resident, I would CERTAINLY make a full concentrated effort to learn the language and understand the laws.
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Originally posted by namvet
The Hmong paid a much higher price for freedom than 99% of the lardasses around here. I say we give her a pass.
Yeah, not like 20+ years is long enough to learn the language...
what could the "lardasses" possibly be thinking.
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Originally posted by Mickey1992
I see your point. But I don't think you need to speak the language to exchange name, address and vehicle info. Although I understand that it would make the process a lot easier.
How old was the woman that hit your friend? How rare is it to come across a US citizen with a valid driver's license that doesn't speak a lick of English? Could she have been playing dumb?
I'm not sure of her age, and I do agree that you don't need a fluency of the english language to exchange name, address, and vehicle info, but apparently even this was difficult, which begs to question how she got a license in the first place.
She very may well have been playing dumb. (shrugs)
Seems to me that we're much too liberal of giving out licenses for driving autos in the U.S., even to old blind people. (shrugs)
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yea its a privilege to drive but i think it should be a right to drive what u wanna drive
yea for my first car i would want this
(http://www.amba.lu/pics/Poteau_M8_Greyhound_.jpg)
but no our stupid county(not country,and maybe Virginia) wont allow this on the roads:cry
no mater what u do to them:noid
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I met quite a few folks who tried the no sabe English. That was ok. I spoke enough Spanish to give them their invitation to the criminal justice system. As soon as I started speaking spanish and asking for the license etc. the usual response, in English was "oh sh**!"
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it's a "privilege to drive " because the state says it's a privilege. just one more control over the masses.
why do you have to re-register your car every year? same car, same address, same owner, but i have to pay $37.85 for a "tax stamp" to put on my tag.
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The Interstates where not built for the public in mind, they where built so we could move troops and supplies across the country in case of an invasion. One reason the Romans had such a great army is because they could move so fast across their well built roads.
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Rip,
The Asian lady in your example may have been toung tied due to some terror of the situation. Some people react that way. On the other hand, there are those that like to play dumb.
Mark
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Originally posted by Mark Luper
Rip,
The Asian lady in your example may have been toung tied due to some terror of the situation. Some people react that way. On the other hand, there are those that like to play dumb.
Mark
Mark, see my reply below about in the middle of thread (thus the question posted)
Originally posted by Ripsnort
The question posed is not about "her", but rather the higher level of "should a citizen have a general concept and basic understanding of the host country language in order to have the privilege of automobile transportation within said host country?"
Maybe its just me, but if I moved to Germany, and became a permanent resident, I would CERTAINLY make a full concentrated effort to learn the language and understand the laws.
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Originally posted by Wes14
yea its a privilege to drive but i think it should be a right to drive what u wanna drive
yea for my first car i would want this
(http://www.amba.lu/pics/Poteau_M8_Greyhound_.jpg)
but no our stupid county(not country,and maybe Virginia) wont allow this on the roads:cry
no mater what u do to them:noid
I won't tell you what we were driving around today then...
But yes, I believe you should have an understanding of English to get a license. Besides, how do they take the citizenship test if they can't read or write English?
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Originally posted by nirvana
I won't tell you what we were driving around today then...
i just want that for all the people that pull out infront of you,brake happy,run red lights.try to run you off the road,etc:D
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Oh yeah, the DHL driver kind of gave us a funny look, but it was a good time. It was more of just a turn around spot then actual driving, but all the same.
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Originally posted by nirvana
I won't tell you what we were driving around today then...
But yes, I believe you should have an understanding of English to get a license. Besides, how do they take the citizenship test if they can't read or write English?
As mentioned in a post up further, you can take the "written" test verbally, with a translator.
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Speech competency should be a test for citizenship, but not necessarily a Driver's License. Fluent native language should be a requirement for any country's citizenship.
However, that does not mean you can't work at all in a foreign country.
And seeing as how our country is so road / transportation oriented, if a person can understand road signs and the laws of the road, and more importantly, the repercussions of that, they should be allowed to get a license.
And Viking, please point to the section in the constitution that gives us the right to drive cars. Or even point to the section that even mentions cars...
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Quick question,
What percentage of the many thousands of expat Americans there are around the world do you suppose learn the language of their host country prior to driving in said country?
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Everywhere but Mexico?
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Originally posted by Xargos
Green light means pause...:D
Right dmf?
Dunno anymore, when I took drivers ed green meant go yellow meant go if you could make it before the light turns red, and red meant stop, here in Va Beach red seems to mean go and green means wait till everybody runs the red light.
I want a hummer H1 with a 2foot x 2 foot oak oil field bumper and a cow catcher on the front. Then green will mean move it before I move you out of eth way
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Originally posted by dmf
Dunno anymore, when I took drivers ed green meant go yellow meant go if you could make it before the light turns red, and red meant stop, here in Va Beach red seems to mean go and green means wait till everybody runs the red light.
I want a hummer H1 with a 2foot x 2 foot oak oil field bumper and a cow catcher on the front. Then green will mean move it before I move you out of eth way
You're not one of those that shoot at other cars with one hand and drive with the other are you? :D
note to self: stay clear of Va.
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I can only wish
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Pfft..forget pushing them out of the way:rolleyes:
heres a better plane..cruch their can*cough*car and ramp over them:D
(http://www.marks4wd.com/images/links/Monster/Monster%20Truck%20Show%20Keysborough%202000-15.JPG)
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I saw a truck like that before but it had low-profile tires on it...no joke.
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:huh wow
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ABSOLUTELY!
You should not be issued a drivers license for any state/territory under United States control without the ability to read/write and speak the English language. If I was to go and want to live in any other country in the world I would imagine that I would be in need of knowing the language before they would give me a drivers license.
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Originally posted by wooley
Quick question,
What percentage of the many thousands of expat Americans there are around the world do you suppose learn the language of their host country prior to driving in said country?
Good question.
I suspect the answer is very few.
shamus
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Breathalyzers should be installed on every highway vehicle. That would save much more money and lives.
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This sounds harsh but it is true, some foreigners who are nationals of any given country DO speak english but only when it suits them to do so.
I was with a friend who had an accident with an asian fellow - basically the asian guy ran into the back of my friends car at a roundabout, both my friend and I got out as did the other guy and he started yabbering at us in another language speaking no english just shouting in this foreign language. Obviously trying to confuse the issue, luckily for my friend he must have been going to pick up his wife/sister or something as she came out of a building across the road and shouted at him what has happened here ?
It was at that point he started speaking english to us when he realised the game was up.
Some of these people do speak english perfectly well, but will make out they cant speak any if the situation calls for it.
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Originally posted by Connery
This sounds harsh but it is true, some foreigners who are nationals of any given country DO speak english but only when it suits them to do so.
I was with a friend who had an accident with an asian fellow - basically the asian guy ran into the back of my friends car at a roundabout, both my friend and I got out as did the other guy and he started yabbering at us in another language speaking no english just shouting in this foreign language. Obviously trying to confuse the issue, luckily for my friend he must have been going to pick up his wife/sister or something as she came out of a building across the road and shouted at him what has happened here ?
It was at that point he started speaking english to us when he realised the game was up.
Some of these people do speak english perfectly well, but will make out they cant speak any if the situation calls for it.
Thats because they don't have the balls to admit they made a mistake!
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Originally posted by Wes14
Pfft..forget pushing them out of the way:rolleyes:
heres a better plane..cruch their can*cough*car and ramp over them:D
(http://www.marks4wd.com/images/links/Monster/Monster%20Truck%20Show%20Keysborough%202000-15.JPG)
now THAT'S my kind of pickup truck :)
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Originally posted by rpm
Breathalyzers should be installed on every highway vehicle. That would save much more money and lives.
Yeah, those foreigners always have bad breath.