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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: JB73 on March 14, 2007, 02:49:21 AM
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Xargos and I were talking about this, and he mentioned something kind of cool IMHO.
It has been brought up before about memorializing fallen AH members, and many ideas have come up, but I honestly think this the most original.
What about a "graveyard" near each HQ's as an object, separate from being in the tower / hangar / wherever?
As the separate object it would not need to be rendered "all the time", but if someone were to go visit the HQ and bail out, or drive a GV there they could visit said custom object on the map.
The whole question remains "who get's in the graveyard", and that is up to HTC to determine, and that is NOT an easy task, but it is an option I don't remember being brought up before.
Well that is just a thought I would be willing to support, and possibly not take up much game resources to deliver in the overall sense. I am sure there would be players willing to help "skin" the tile or whatever object.
I do honestly believe the loss of a player is a loss of a player, ALL are individuals and deserve the same respect. Each "tombstone" should be the same shape and size. There is no favoritism in AH, and never should be. A simple white block with text readable from a 20 yard distance would be fine, but the skinners would probably be able to make actual "stone" looking things with a better "graphic" if asked, heck I'd probably take a shot at it just to see if I could come up with something respectable.
The basic premise is something like Arlington Cemetery, simple, easy, and updatable. maybe even a bunch of blank ones ready for names, and all HTC has to do is add the names.
I dunno, just an option for what has been asked in a way before.
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macabre
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Center of the map, near no particular field, tower or strat object.
Statue of a plane in flight.
On the base "For all who have fallen"
No names, just a place to remember those we have lost over the years.
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Some sort of a memorial wouldnt be a bad idea IMO
Pretty classy in fact
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A fine idea...but way too much of a burden for the HTC staff ...I you wish to honor the fallen ...post it to your squads web site and direct folks there ...the game is NOT the place .......HTC would have to spemd lots of time reviewing who died? ...how well were they liked? ... etc etc ....I would not want to be put in that possition...and neither would you ...what if somebody made up a hoax that somebody died?
....a nice idea on paper but not practial ....like i say make a 1st rate tribute on your squads web site ...and tell folks to visit it
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WW2OL had monuments in the centers of town. On certain ones bronxe plaques were affixed to them with a players name. It was pretty nice. Bit like Helm said, its the sick hoaxes that would ruin it.
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How well a person was liked should not be a criteria for selection when someone has died and whether or not there should be a memorial to said person(s).
I am sure the Germans who lost families and friends during WWII wouldn't want a memorial for those that had killed their loved ones had they fallen too, and vice versa.
Nice idea, not sure how you would implement it.
Might be easier to have a seperate webpage somwhere with like a roll of honor it or something.
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Not a bad idea at all.I like it.Making an object like that is a 5 min work.
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I thought the memorial wall in say O'Club was a good idea.
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If there was to be one, I think it should be generic with no names.
Given some of the recent events noted on this BB that were eventually proven untrue, there would have to be some proof submitted to HTC for a name to be listed. People could also abuse the system just to get their handle up on the wall b/c they thought it was funny. I don't think employees of HTC want to be verifying coroner's signature's on certificates of death.
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Maybe one of the trusted members of the AH community who knows something about law would be willing to take on the job of checking out the deaths.
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A Chalkboard in the Oclub section on the clipboard would be better imo. Easier to keep, easier to visit, easier to render.
Could even have user submitted brief details on the person that is listed.
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I thought Oclub was "off topic" sorry for my ignorance I was told not to go there cuz all the drinking an loose women.
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Originally posted by 1ijac
I thought the memorial wall in say O'Club was a good idea.
good idea,but why not make it a topic itself,Fallen Friends, or sumtin...
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The O'club section in game, you monkeys. Not the tardfestforum.
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"Loss of members Idea "
I though this had to do something with Viagra.............
OOOPs Sorry.
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Originally posted by Ball
A Chalkboard in the Oclub section on the clipboard would be better imo. Easier to keep, easier to visit, easier to render.
Could even have user submitted brief details on the person that is listed.
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a tomb of unknown soldier or tombs of unknown soldiers should work.
it should be within the policy of not releasing info about people from a business standpoint yet honoring all those that flew here and passed on.
a small area with a monument, maybe tombstones with no names around it. all within the area should be protected both ways by killshooter or bullets and bomb terminate instantly within the area. maybe like a cone shaped force field.
maybe located on an island with maps with large body of water, or a high mountain top on maps without large body of water. maybe with names like moutain of the unknowns, or island of unknowns.
maybe some of the mapmakers can spare some time and create something the size of a large airfield that could maybe be added on to the terrains.
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I like the idea. I think it would be a class act on part of HTC and I am sure many would agree.
I thought the memorial wall in say O'Club was a good idea.
I liked this idea when I heard about it too.
If there was to be one, I think it should be generic with no names.
I think a generic wall would remove any of the pleasure or satisfaction family members or friends would gain from such a symbolic remembrance.
As others have said leave it up to HTC to decide who would be added. There are members of this community they “know” have passed away.
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I think it's a great idea Jb!
Somewhere near the HQ would be a good idea, it shouldn't be in the center of the map (hard to visit with all the red ones around!)
But only loss of members? No h2h'ers?
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No H2Hers. They didn't care enough to join.
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I've been a H2H'er since 2000 (late 99's), I'd say I care enough :)
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How will you as a H2H player see the memorial in the Main Arena? I've never seen any H2H only players in the Main Arena...I don't know them.
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I thought this was for the departed people, not for the people who will see their graves?
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I think it would be reasonble to make a "requirement" if you will that you were a full access subscriber in order for HTC and crew to make the effort to add your name to whatever memorial system they decide upon.
Wouldn't you call that reasonable?
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BPU (beloved paying user) for like 3 months at least or more .. maybe 6.. just something that would make it a reasonably sized number of players.
But at the same time, HTC could spend their time on much more 'productive' projects.
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What if the player doesn't fly alot (neither in MA or H2H) but is very active on the forums, everyone knows and likes him/her.
Basically you're saying that a totally unknown guy that pays will get a memorium, but someone everyone knows and likes, but doesn't pay, won't.
Lol but hey, we're discussing something that's unlikely to be added, so I give up :)
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I think a memorial is a fantastic idea. I'm not too sure about having a memorial in the game. Some noob will be bombing it within an hour of it being put in. I don't know about anyone else, but I'd get pretty upset if some FNG started to bomb the memorial.
Obie:aok
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WWIIOL has ingame memorials to players who passed away and they were very well received and appreciated by the community.
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Nice thought but innappropriate IMO
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How come Tilt?
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Originally posted by Ghosth
Center of the map, near no particular field, tower or strat object.
Statue of a plane in flight.
On the base "For all who have fallen"
No names, just a place to remember those we have lost over the years.
If I could edit my post, I would change it to that.
you are all right, just a "monument" for all, no names needed.
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Originally posted by daddog
How come Tilt?
Well I wrote a long narrative with many "reasoned" agruements and deleted them.
Frankly to me it just does not feel right.................
Who will be the gate keeper of this grave yard?
Who are we asking to determine which recently deceased community member should be so remembered? and which one should not be............
Skuzzy, HT, Pyro? would any one here wish to be the one to decide which dead ex player should or should not be so remembered?
or would there be a committee with rules etc................
can we imagine what rules could evolve? (see some above)
Personally I dont think the MA is a fit place for such a memorial.
For me its healthy to discuss the good times we had with deceased companions in places like this BB. The spontanious and mutual sharing of memories and opinions is a healthy part of remembering those who pass away.
My opinion may be born of a different cultural back ground to the majority here. But even so its my opinion.
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I'm kind of hesitant to post, but I'm with Tilt on this one. I think it's safe to say that the game, or rather the community, means more to me than I mean to HT. As such, asking HT to go out of his way to memorialize my friends is a bit much, IMO, but something done by players (the OZkansas map is the most fitting [hell, only] example of this I've seen) who wish to remember their friend seems much more practical, reasonable, and logical.
I know some of you know HT and company personally, and that's great, but many of us, like myself, are just an icon of some sort and an account number, and I would feel uncomfortable were someone close to me to ask this of them upon my passing. I love the community, and some of these guys are my real life friends, but for me at least, AH is not how I want to be remembered, nor what I want to be remembered for. If you really miss them, or they really meant something to you, do something tangible. I just don't think it's a good thing to do this in a game, sorry if this offends anyone.
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Hey Tilt and Hubs,
I think you guys pose some interesting arguments against a memorial, but what do you think about the memorial idea introduced above with just an ingraving stating, "In Memory of Our Fallen Brothers" or something of that nature? It addresses all of Tilt's issues, as well as Hubs. It would be simple to put together and insert into the maps, all while not requiring any upkeep, ie. adding names, etc. It obviously would mean different things to different people, but everyone who has lost a friend would feel like they had a memorial to that person.
Just my 2 cents.
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I just don't think we should pressure HTC to do them for us, which is the main thing I was getting at. I think it's on the players to do something, but I don't know precisely what HT allows with regards to custom objects or what-have-you.
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This just like real life..If someone comes up witha good idea..the first thing that happens is ten people jump up and tell you it can't be done......for those people I say get out of the way!....the next thing that happens ..as in really life sombody brings up the "legal" everyone wants to hind behind the "legal" skirt........Please always ask yourself when given the choice between what is ethical/moral verses what is legal...please choose the higher ground!...
THIS IS A DAM GOOD IDEA!
999000
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
I just don't think we should pressure HTC to do them for us, which is the main thing I was getting at. I think it's on the players to do something, but I don't know precisely what HT allows with regards to custom objects or what-have-you.
I agree that putting pressure on HT would be inconsiderate, and shouldn't be done. However, I don't think that there is anything at all wrong with simply asking. I was always told that if you don't ask, then the answer is always going to be no. If in fact HT says no, then so be it, his game, his choice. Never hurts to try though.
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Why Can't HTC just add a new bbs link "War memorial". where people can post. Where you can say your memories about players. also could post films of memorial flights. This could be where families could go and see what was said about thier family member, without paying to get in game, maybe family could even post photo's for those who knew him or her. I could see young mans child wanting to know about his or her fathers passions and friends, all they would have to do is come into memorial and read about thier love ones. and Maybe gain insight to thier passion of flying or passion of thier friends. HTC could make Mod to reminder once in awhile saying Visit Memorial link BBS read about our gone but not forgotten friends and family.
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This is just off the top of my head and not fully fleshed out so feel free to add / subtract / whatever. What about a link to a seperate site in the O'Club that someone voluntarily maintains?
Link = 'fallen members'
And the owner / operator of that site hosts the bbs, memorial flights, etc.
Submissions can come from friends, squaddies, etc, but have to be verified according to the site holders terms (because, sadly as we all know, some internet tard will try to fake their way through).
That way the onus is not on HTC but the volunteers that care about the community and the camaradarie of the game.
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Originally posted by Dichotomy
This is just off the top of my head and not fully fleshed out so feel free to add / subtract / whatever. What about a link to a seperate site in the O'Club that someone voluntarily maintains?
Link = 'fallen members'
And the owner / operator of that site hosts the bbs, memorial flights, etc.
Submissions can come from friends, squaddies, etc, but have to be verified according to the site holders terms (because, sadly as we all know, some internet tard will try to fake their way through).
That way the onus is not on HTC but the volunteers that care about the community and the camaradarie of the game.
boy wish i thought of this lol
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Well you left out the part about someone voluntarily getting the url, webspace, designing, and maintaining the site. Your post kind of left it up to HTC in my humble opinion.
If I read you wrong I apologize in advance.