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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Flatbar on March 14, 2007, 03:40:08 PM
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Last time these creatons went after Kerry for his service and many here accepted their vile spew as truth. Now they're going after McCain calling him a communist apologist, that's just the beginning. Expect more lies and false testimony from these scumbags as they spread their crap all over the media.
http://thehill.com/campaign-2008/mccain-draws-heat-from-vet-group-club-for-growth-2007-03-13.html
The question is, will the media roll over and comply like they did last time.
I'll bet that Romney has his hands in this.
Now it's your turn righties to reap this foul harvest.
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I don't like or trust McCain, because he's to wishy-washy, but to question his honor of duty I think is wrong.
He's like a double edged sword, you never know which way he's going to cut.
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Sampley has compared McCain to the brainwashed “Manchurian Candidate” and is highly critical of McCain’s actions after his return home from Vietnam. Sampley calls himself “the one McCain hates most” and has a long history of battling McCain, including a conviction in the early 1990s for assaulting McCain aide Mark Salter.
Tells me all I need to know about this group.
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Well, let's hear both sides of the story before we stomp off in indignation. Any Swift Boat supporters here who'd like to offer an alternate view?
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I didnt need to swifters to tell me kerry was an absolute ass. McCain warts and all, is in no way shape or form the failure of a human being that kerry is.
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Umm, Flatbar.... McCain is a communistic apologist. Or as we refer to them around here as RINO. Republican In Name Only. It's a shame that the arizonians can't figure it out and the republican party is too scared to kick his bellybutton out of the group.
Also, to call anything Kerry has done "Service" is a joke itself.
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Lasersailor, can you provide some data to backup your claim?
As I recall, there was some confusion a few weeks ago when you were making some pretty grandiose statements about the Libertarian party that stemmed from a misunderstanding on your part, I'd be remiss if I didn't make sure the same wasn't true here.
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The Swifties were certainly denounced, but I don't recall them shown to be liars
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Wait, you want evidence of McCain's track record? His voting record?
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Umm, Flatbar.... McCain is a communistic apologist. Or as we refer to them around here as RINO. Republican In Name Only. It's a shame that the arizonians can't figure it out and the republican party is too scared to kick his bellybutton out of the group.
Also, to call anything Kerry has done "Service" is a joke itself.
What proof do you have that he's a communist apologist? Or are you calling him one for supporting normalizing relations with Vietnam? And I suppose you also think he's a KGB sleeper agent like those two twits do?
As for Kerry, if he had been a Republican, you'd be backing him up 100%.
ack-ack
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You weren't too gifted with smarts, were you?
You claim that I'd back up Kerry if he was a republican, while the first paragraph is me bashing a republican (INO).
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Still waiting for a reason for why you think he's a communist apologist, or is this another error?
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The Swifties are bad men, they told the truth about kerry.
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YES b) Maintain and strengthen the current level of enforcement of existing federal restrictions on the purchase and possession of guns.
One, and possibly the biggest strike against McCain. You can read more here: http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=S0061103
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Well, let's hear both sides of the story before we stomp off in indignation. Any Swift Boat supporters here who'd like to offer an alternate view?
Am I the only one wating for awMac to convince us he's a Swift Boat vet and used to cruise with Kerry?
:rofl
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Lasersailor, we've established that, but you haven't explained the commie apologist part yet. Or is that just a neat phrase you've been wanting to use?
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Arizonians do know about McCain's faults. IIRC, most of the tacoheads here denounced them rather than supported him... I think it might be NUKE that mentionned specific facts.
It might have been the 2nd or immigration, I don't remember.
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Originally posted by moot
Arizonians do know about McCain's faults. IIRC, most of the tacoheads here denounced them rather than supported him... I think it might be NUKE that mentionned specific facts.
It might have been the 2nd or immigration, I don't remember.
Yes we know about Mccain's faults. He started his career as a staunch conservative but as more and more illegals populated Arizona, Mccain moved accordingly left. Mccain is a politician, not a statesman. He still calls himself republican but he is a long way from being conservative. Mccain has grown verfy soft on immigration. As near as I can tell it is in an effort to garner some of the hispanic votes in AZ.
Mccain has sold his base out. were he to run for President, I doubt he would carry AZ. Then there's the whole Mccain-Feingold debacle.
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Originally posted by Flatbar
The swifties are at it again!
You must have misread that. It's not the swift boat veterans doing this.
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Flatbar had an ooopsie! ;)
The anti-tax group Club for Growth yesterday released a review of McCain’s record on its top priorities and cautioned against electing him president. Meanwhile, a new “527” advocacy group, similar [/size]to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, has pledged to expose McCain as a communist apologist who turned his back on prisoners of war.
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well... first of all.. the swift boat guys simply told the truth about kerrie.
second... flatbars link has nothing to do with the swift boat guys.. So far as I know, they have said nothing about mccain..
but then.. that never got in the way of a good leftie whine did it?
lazs
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I supported the Swiftboat Veterans telling the truth about Kerry. Too this day I still believe that Kerry submitted false testimony on Purpla Heart Awards and other awards. Kerry is a slime ball politician beyond the grip of morality.
As Lazs pointed out, the Swiftboat Veterans for the Truth are not involved in it. It is just another left wing whine as usual.
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Originally posted by moot
Arizonians do know about McCain's faults. IIRC, most of the tacoheads here denounced them rather than supported him... I think it might be NUKE that mentionned specific facts.
It might have been the 2nd or immigration, I don't remember.
tacoheads LOL
isn't that racist?
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Disliking McCain is fine, disagreeing with his stance on the issues is fine, I'm still waiting for Lasersailer to back up the 'communist apologist' description, he's the only one here who's embraced that bit from the story.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Disliking McCain is fine, disagreeing with his stance on the issues is fine, I'm still waiting for Lasersailer to back up the 'communist apologist' description, he's the only one here who's embraced that bit from the story.
Perhaps he's feeling the same way many vietnam vets did in 1992? (http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
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Originally posted by Mini D
You must have misread that. It's not the swift boat veterans doing this.
It's the same people, just a different name.
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The problem with McCain is no one is really sure how he is going to vote on issues (except maybe Iraq) and that scares both the Left and the Right.
I compare him to Liberman, unfortunately, as they both vote moderate once in a while and then their 'own team' doesn't like them.
Only ones that are trusted by their own Party as those that vote the Party line. The trick is to make yourself look moderate while not alienating your own Party, one thing Hillary for example, has completely failed at recently.
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Originally posted by Delirium
The problem with McCain is no one is really sure how he is going to vote on issues (except maybe Iraq) and that scares both the Left and the Right.
You take on Mcclain is short sighted, no offense. His speeches and posturing have moved more to the left as his career has progressed. He wants to get re-elected more than he cares for doing the right thing for his country.
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Originally posted by Mini D
You must have misread that Flatbar. It's not the swift boat veterans doing this.
Originally posted by Flatbar
It's the same people, just a different name.
No you miss read it, it's not the same people. I shall quote from the article
The anti-tax group Club for Growth yesterday released a review of McCain’s record on its top priorities and cautioned against electing him president. Meanwhile, a new “527” advocacy group, similar[/size] to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, has pledged to expose McCain as a communist apologist who turned his back on prisoners of war.
"similar" does not equal "same"
Meanwhile, the McCain campaign had no comment on the new 527, known as “Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain.” It is founded by the same veterans who ran an Internet information campaign against Kerry in 2004, “Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry.”[/size]
In 2004, the group made a splash by publicizing pictures of Kerry at anti-war protests in the 1970s, including one showing him several rows behind Jane Fonda. It claims credit for originating many of the attacks used by Swift Boat Veterans for Truth later in the campaign.
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Originally posted by Eagler
tacoheads LOL
isn't that racist?
:lol I dunno... ask Steve.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
No you miss read it, it's not the same people. I shall quote from the article
"similar" does not equal "same"
Airscrew you can spin it all you want, but if you follow the roots of these 527s they all lead back to the office of Reichsminister Rove. They slandered McCain in 2000, Kerry in 2004, and it looks like more of the same in 2008.
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Spin? Spin what? I've taken no sides. I am merely pointing out that Flatbar misread the article. This particular "attack" didnot come from "Swifties" but “Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain.”
but now that you bring it up, show me how Rove is related to "527"
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Spin? Spin what? I've taken no sides. I am merely pointing out that Flatbar misread the article. This particular "attack" didnot come from "Swifties" but “Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain.”
but now that you bring it up, show me how Rove is related to "527"
How dare you post facts disputing a lib rant.
For shame.
Bronk
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Originally posted by Bronk
How dare you post facts disputing a lib rant.
For shame.
Bronk
I just want to see if this turns into one of those 'Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon" things.
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Originally posted by namvet
Airscrew you can spin it all you want, but if you follow the roots of these 527s they all lead back to the office of Reichsminister Rove. They slandered McCain in 2000, Kerry in 2004, and it looks like more of the same in 2008.
Reichsminister Rove
that sounds like you are calling Rove a Nazi, you slanderer.
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Originally posted by john9001
Reichsminister Rove
that sounds like you are calling Rove a Nazi, you slanderer.
In print is libel.
:D
Bronk
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Pretty sure it'd be libel, not slander.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Perhaps he's feeling the same way many vietnam vets did in 1992? (http://www.usvetdsp.com/manchuan.htm)
Written by a guy that accuses McCain of being a sleeper KGB agent...
ack-ack
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Originally posted by Eagler
tacoheads LOL
isn't that racist?
Nope it isn't. There is no race of "taco"s. It is an example of bigoted labeling however and obviously intended to be insulting. It says more about the person using the term than anything else.
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Mav it's just a joke. Just like Cheese- or Cheddarheads for Wisconsinites, you know?
Of all people to call bigotted.. Remember your reply to Laser in the bigot-definition thread?
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Sorry but I didn't find it to be particularly humorous nor did I see any indication that it was meant to be funny. It's difficult to determine humor at times based on pure text.
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Originally posted by Maverick
There is no race of "taco"s.
:lol :lol
I dunno, that just sounds REALLY funny to me.
hahahaha, continue on.
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However, there are race Tacos. (Sorry Mav!)
(http://www.jayski.com/schemes/2004/busch/8tacaobell.jpg)
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Toad,
that's a taco based racer.
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Dale Sr is turning in his grave...
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Originally posted by Maverick
Toad,
that's a taco based racer.
Well, it's certainly not a ricer racer, is it?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Lasersailor, we've established that, but you haven't explained the commie apologist part yet. Or is that just a neat phrase you've been wanting to use?
I saw a piece about McCain commenting on McCarthyism a while back, but I'm having trouble digging it up right now.
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Umm... He was critical of McCarthey's witch hunt, I take it?
And this made him a communist apologist?
This just gets better and better.
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airscrew
Meanwhile, the McCain campaign had no comment on the new 527, known as “Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain.” It is founded by the same veterans who ran an Internet information campaign against Kerry in 2004, “Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry.”
did you read your own support qoutes?
and yes, i do realize that vietnam vets agains kerry the swifties.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
Dale Sr is turning in his grave...
Taco Bell is an american based / founded company which was created by an American.
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Originally posted by lasersailor184
Taco Bell is an american based / founded company which was created by an American.
The food taste good, not real tex/mex or mexican food but its ok.
Too bad about the Rats and cockroaches though.
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Taco Bell is not good tasting food. At best you can say it will sustain life but it's not good tasting food. :huh
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Originally posted by Maverick
Taco Bell is not good tasting food. At best you can say it will sustain life but it's not good tasting food. :huh
fer sure, thats why I drown it with tabasco sause when I eat it.
Laser, I'm not questioning Taco Bell as a sponsor, American or otherwise, but come on, a Purple and Pink race car? Black, Red, Orange, Blue, but Purple and Pink? those are the colors in my 10 year old daughter's bedroom
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Originally posted by vorticon
airscrew
did you read your own support qoutes?
and yes, i do realize that vietnam vets agains kerry the swifties.
Vort what are you trying to tell me?
Yes I read the quotes. What Laz, Mini, and Rip and now I are trying to say specifically is that Flatbar was incorrect in saying that the "Swifties" or aka Swift Boat Veterans for Truth were attacking McCain.
The Swifties are not attacking John McCain. Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain are. The Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain are not related to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.
The Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain are related to the Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry. Ran by the same people.
The only apparent relationship between Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry / John McCain and the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth , is that the "Swifties" used material that was gathered by VVAJK and they quite possible shared information.
Am I some how confusing you?
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It's not "Taco Bell" but "Taco Hell"!!!
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Ok, I understand a gripe with colors.
I just thought you were griping about an unknown american enterprise.