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Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: AquaShrimp on March 14, 2007, 04:29:46 PM
http://news.aol.com/topnews/articles/_a/dying-woman-loses-marijuana-appeal/20070314133209990001?ncid=NWS00010000000001

Feds are trying to take away medical marijuana from a terminally ill woman.  I think that this really is a travesty.  The things that are so preposterous about this are (1) The woman hasn't responded positively to normal medications (2) She will be dead soon (3) The medical marijuana is helping to alleviate the pain and (4) Her using drugs is not hurting anyone.

Lets be rational here.  Though I don't use marijuana, I know that its no more potent a drug than alcohol.  This is a case of supposed morality trumping medical science.  

Which would be easier, changing the system from the inside, or from the outside?
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: quintv on March 14, 2007, 04:52:13 PM
There isn't a Jury in california that would convict her, I'd have blown smoke right into the Judge's face and told him to eat me.
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: Xargos on March 14, 2007, 05:01:37 PM
Vote Libertarian!!!
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: kamilyun on March 14, 2007, 05:07:07 PM
Anyone who knows better than me, please step up, but...

Isn't Federal regulation of drugs based on the right of the Federal government to control interstate commerce?

I think is one example of how over-reaching Federal government has become.  If California law allows it, and the women's source is California, then I don't see wtf DC has to do with it.
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: Furious on March 14, 2007, 05:13:02 PM
to many people make money off the DEA and the "war on drugs" for this to ever change.
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: Thrawn on March 14, 2007, 05:37:40 PM
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Originally posted by Xargos
Vote Libertarian!!!



The only thing you posted that I have ever agreed with.
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: Irwink! on March 14, 2007, 05:51:08 PM
The whole "War on Drugs" thing is a joke, particularly when it comes to marijuana. Its possible legalizaion threatens too many of the deep corporate pockets that all but own the U.S. government.
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: quintv on March 14, 2007, 05:51:19 PM
I vote Libertarian in Presidential elections because here in Rhode Island the Democratic nominee getting our electoral votes is about as sure a thing as a Catholic getting elected Pope. :D
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: icemaw on March 14, 2007, 08:59:18 PM
legalize it tax it solve the budget crisis
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: Delirium on March 15, 2007, 02:13:03 AM
I have seen the effect that Canabis has, first hand, on end stage patients with issues that affect their GI system.

However, the 'Marinol' pill is as effective as the more commonly abused street variety, however the onset time is a little longer. If someone has issues that require an immediate relief from symptoms, I would have no problem with the authorities giving someone legal approval to 'smoke' it provided they do that in their own home (ie not while outside the mall).

However, legalizing 'weed' for anyone who can enter a clinic and walk out with a script is a recipie for abuse.
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: Saintaw on March 15, 2007, 04:31:45 AM
Plenty of O'club denizens will tell you that if you smoke a joint, you are supporting Osama & his bearded worshippers.

*shrugs*
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: JB88 on March 15, 2007, 04:35:03 AM
its a plant.

so friggin what?  

prescriptions?  the notion is laughable.  the tax money we pay to punish people for that plant is ridiculous.  

if someone wants to be a pot head what should i care?
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Post by: Ripsnort on March 15, 2007, 08:12:05 AM
My politics are slightly right of center, but I will tell you that we need to legalize weed, unpopulate the prisons to make more room for much harder criminals, and put hundreds of thousands of weed dealers out of business.

I used to smoke, I don't anymore. (I've personally discovered that I like active memory,  rather than short term memory loss)

Eventually the Dems in the US will condemn it like they did tabacco, so why not legalize it?

One caveat...if you get busted smoking while driving, the same DUI laws will apply.
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Post by: lazs2 on March 15, 2007, 08:23:00 AM
The feds only authority on drugs is interstate traffic..  a slim thing to hang the whole "war on drugs" on.

I am for legalizing all drugs..  no tax save sales tax in the city/state it is being sold.

I don't do drugs and don't like to be around people who are on drugs but that is not the point.   It is their life and so long as they are willing to pay the price (including jail for endangering me or loss of income from being fired) then.. vaya con dios..

If they get caught driving on any amount of drugs it should be the same as drunk..  employers should have the right to screen for drugs and be sued by non drug using employees if they don't.

The problem with drug users is that they not only want to do drugs but that they don't want to have any consequences.  

To me... an adult should be able to buy an ounce of pure heroin at the grocery store for what it is worth... about $100.  

lazs
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Post by: Jackal1 on March 15, 2007, 10:55:05 AM
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Originally posted by quintv
There isn't a Jury in california that would convict her, I'd have blown smoke right into the Judge's face and told him to eat me.



......................and been immediately arrested for violating EPA standards.
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Post by: Bronk on March 15, 2007, 11:09:34 AM
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Originally posted by quintv
I vote Libertarian in Presidential elections because here in Rhode Island the Democratic nominee getting our electoral votes is about as sure a thing as a Catholic getting elected Pope. :D

Well when the largest employer in the state, is the state. What would you expect?

Bronk
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Post by: Toad on March 15, 2007, 11:09:47 AM
Funny thing about the "medical marijuana" case that the Supremes upheld for the government using interstate commerce.... it was primarily the liberal judges that took the government's side and upheld the ruling. Only Justices Sandra Day O'Connor, William Rehnquist and Clarence Thomas dissented in the 6-3 ruling.
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Post by: Xargos on March 15, 2007, 02:02:31 PM
The mexican government makes too much money off of the drug trade, the U.S. govermnent will never do anything to harm the mexican government by making drugs legal.
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: Ripsnort on March 15, 2007, 02:36:34 PM
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Originally posted by Xargos
The mexican government makes too much money off of the drug trade, the U.S. govermnent will never do anything to harm the mexican government by making drugs legal.
:noid

My "conspiracy theory" is that there are too many government employees earning a living off of drug busts (DEA, FBI, etc.) therefore it will never be legalized due to the government layoffs that would occur.
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: Bronk on March 15, 2007, 02:44:50 PM
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
:noid

My "conspiracy theory" is that there are too many government employees earning a living off of drug busts (DEA, FBI, etc.) therefore it will never be legalized due to the government layoffs that would occur.

Never mind the property/money seizures that come along with drug busts.
Bronk
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: Ripsnort on March 15, 2007, 02:47:24 PM
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Originally posted by Bronk
Never mind the property/money seizures that come along with drug busts.
Bronk
Exactly.
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: Shuckins on March 15, 2007, 04:32:33 PM
Since much of the urban gang culture is funded by drug money, I wonder what the reaction of the gangs would be to the legalization of drugs.

What would be their response to mom-and-pop businesses springing up to sell legalized drugs, thus cutting into their source of revenue?

Would they take it lieing down?
Title: Please take your boot off my freedom
Post by: JB88 on March 15, 2007, 04:34:37 PM
it would be pretty funny to see the drug dealers paying off the politicians to keep it illegal...oh wait, that probably already happens.