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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: eagl on March 15, 2007, 08:46:02 AM
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Just a heads up...
The latest windows updates killed my computer. The following patches reported successful installations, but now the computer locks immediately on bootup before it gets to the windows splash screen.
KB929338
KB929399
KB890830
Root Certificates
Beware... None of the usual tricks (F8 boot modes, etc) work at all. The system freezes up immediately on boot. I checked the hardware using a linux boot cd and the computer itself runs fine.
Anyhow, if I didn't have a recent backup I'd be totally hosed since I can't even boot in safe mode or get at the system restore points. My winXP cd is pre-SP1 so a recovery installation would be very painful. So I'll just use ghost and restore to the last known good backup.
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was it a critical update? The guy I bought my PC from warned me not to install any windows updates unless they were critical. Maybe his advice was accurate........
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Thanks for the heads-up. That Genuine Windows stuff stinks too.
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I haven't had any problems wioth the updates so far including the last one earlier this week.
Have you done a restore yet?
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Originally posted by Yeager
Maybe his advice was accurate........
Very accurate if you are running a "copy" of XP.
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Windows updates don't kill computers. Users do. :D
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I restored from my norton ghost backup. I haven't re-tried the update.
Ripley, please explain. There doesn't seem to be any "user" input into screwing up a windows update, so when a computer works fine before an update and fails to boot after the update, it seems very strange to call that a user induced failure. Do you have any more specific information or recommendation?
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Originally posted by MrRiplEy[H]
Windows updates don't kill computers. Users do. :D
I know you meant this as tongue in cheek, but it is possible to hose up your computer with updates, if the updates manage to get installed out of order. This was very easy to do with the earlier versions of the MS update/installer tool.
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Originally posted by eagl
The latest windows updates killed my computer. The following patches reported successful installations, but now the computer locks immediately on bootup before it gets to the windows splash screen.
KB929338
KB929399
KB890830
Root Certificates
Beware... None of the usual tricks (F8 boot modes, etc) work at all. The system freezes up immediately on boot. I checked the hardware using a linux boot cd and the computer itself runs fine.
Uh-oh. When did this happen? I found my wife's computer with a HD error screen on Friday afternoon. I went to reboot it and can't even get into the bios. It just locks.
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Pulled the case off of my computer and powered it up to see if all the fans were coming on... it turned on just fine. Put the case back on after dusting it off a bit and everything is working fine. That's just swell.
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Very accurate if you are running a "copy" of XP.
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He DID say to install the critical security updates. What do you think of that?
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Even though its written for the professional IT person, official MS course texts instruct one to never install a Windows update without first having tested it in a non-production environment. That's hard to do for the typical home user. Many networks use Windows Software Update Service on a server to dish out only those updates to clients that an administrator has approved first. WSUS is a free MS product that they advise IT people to use to dspense updates. MS states that it is the "best practice" to put WSUS between Windows Updates and downstream clients to prevent just such problems on client systems. If you're going to use Windows Automatic Updates at least configure to download but NOTIFY before install. That way if you select "custom" install you get a chance to look at each update and elect then whether or not to install it.
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Originally posted by Yeager
Very accurate if you are running a "copy" of XP.
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He DID say to install the critical security updates. What do you think of that?
I think your ok according to this article. Unless MS has cracked down more recently. Its a little old.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/26/ms_updates_wga_launch/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/26/ms_updates_wga_launch/) Fakers beware: no more MS updates for you: Published Tuesday 26th July 2005 11:07 GMT
Microsoft is no longer providing updates to non-genuine versions of its Windows XP operating system. From today, the company has switched over to a full launch of its Windows Genuine Advantage Programme as part of its ongoing anti-piracy campaign.
Users will now have to join the WGA authentication program if they want to receive software updates from the Microsoft Download Centre or from Windows Update. However, MS says it will still provide security patches for pirated systems, which will be available via Automatic Updates in Windows.
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I haven't updated in a while..let's see what happens.
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I keep my home computer up to date (I use it for the acid test before doing it at work) and it has had no problems, as have none of the computers at HTC.
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Windows won't update..lol..Says "Enable Auto-Update/Event Log" even though they are enabled.
Weird.:huh
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Originally posted by PuckIt
I think your ok according to this article. Unless MS has cracked down more recently. Its a little old.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/26/ms_updates_wga_launch/ (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/07/26/ms_updates_wga_launch/) Fakers beware: no more MS updates for you: Published Tuesday 26th July 2005 11:07 GMT
Microsoft is no longer providing updates to non-genuine versions of its Windows XP operating system. From today, the company has switched over to a full launch of its Windows Genuine Advantage Programme as part of its ongoing anti-piracy campaign.
Users will now have to join the WGA authentication program if they want to receive software updates from the Microsoft Download Centre or from Windows Update. However, MS says it will still provide security patches for pirated systems, which will be available via Automatic Updates in Windows.
LOL @ WGA. All WGA does is annoy legit users when it screws up. There are plenty of workarounds/patches for WGA.
Having said that I rarely patch unless it is critical. If I do patch its for a specific fix usually.
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Oooh this is disconcerting stuff. Put all my faith in Big Brother MS to keep my computers safe and current. Don't wanna hear about problems (hands over ears, chanting lalalalalalalalalala).
Occasionally I get a security update that doesn't take for one reason or another. Must have tried one 10 times or so, still doesn't take. But computer still runs fine.
Whew. :O
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You guys are having that problem on XP right? Not Vista?:noid
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MS bugged XP on purpose to get people to buy Vista.
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Apparently the problem here is caused by KB929338, which is said to cause some computers not to reboot. Some other problems also exist; failed to install the update, hibernation doesn't work after installing and can be fixed by uninstalling the update... etc. etc.
Luckily it fails to update my XP, which is the least of the problems.
A Nice reliability update huh? :huh
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MS is starting to drag code from Vista to be placed on XP.
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Originally posted by Skuzzy
MS is starting to drag code from Vista to be placed on XP.
MS is making a mistake, but they are trying to take over the world one PC at a time so its no surprise to me.
They are the Cyberdyne of the PC's
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I heard that MS will stop accepting new license activations for XP 1/2008. :noid
Some larger corporations have planned to start the evaluation process for vista around 10/07 so they'll have 2 months of time to 'evaluate' and then get fed the forcefeed hose down their throats.
I think this will hurt MS.
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Installed that latest patch a few days ago
PC still "seems" to be running ok. however standby/hibernate no longer work correctly.
:furious
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Originally posted by WilldCrd
Installed that latest patch a few days ago
PC still "seems" to be running ok. however standby/hibernate no longer work correctly.
:furious
I'm sure someone managed to rip some premium content from hiberfil.sys at some point so they porked it for the time being by request of RIAA/MPAA. :noid
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He's Right,
If you are running a "copy" of XP and you do any updates you will now get all typs of MS crap saying that your copy of XP is not legal etc...and built in boot dely and you have to read the MS crap evry time you boot.
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My 3 home systems patched fine. Odd.
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Great. My computer just turned off from patching. I hope to god it turns on when I get home. It was barely puttering along as it is.
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My copy of XP is legit, and it doesn't recognize it as such.
I backup an image of my drives on an external HDD that's only connected for the occasion, every two weeks.. and reinstalling XP is quick.
So all the bloated security this and that doesn't matter. I stopped using it.
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Originally posted by Irwink!
Even though its written for the professional IT person, official MS course texts instruct one to never install a Windows update without first having tested it in a non-production environment.
Do they think I should buy another Server 2003 license for "non-production environment"? And do they think server hardware grows upon trees? So they wand me to have 2 exact hardware copies of each server, one "non-production" and another "combat" version?!
For us it's easier to make a complete server backup on Friday night and then play with updates on weekend, at least once in a month.
Originally posted by Irwink!
That's hard to do for the typical home user. Many networks use Windows Software Update Service on a server to dish out only those updates to clients that an administrator has approved first. WSUS is a free MS product that they advise IT people to use to dspense updates. MS states that it is the "best practice" to put WSUS between Windows Updates and downstream clients to prevent just such problems on client systems. If you're going to use Windows Automatic Updates at least configure to download but NOTIFY before install. That way if you select "custom" install you get a chance to look at each update and elect then whether or not to install it.
I have read a lot about that WSUS stuff, mostly questions and no answers, like 150 forum pages of !@#%%^!!!! . Another piece of M$ junk. We got SUSFL instead, at least under Linux you can understand what goes wrong (if it does).
Digging a little deeper into MS servers I think I got more grey hair in my beard. A SharePoint Portal/Project Server combination was written by aliens... If you properly link Proj Server with SP - MS update simply stops working.
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Originally posted by Vulcan
LOL @ WGA. All WGA does is annoy legit users when it screws up. There are plenty of workarounds/patches for WGA.
Having said that I rarely patch unless it is critical. If I do patch its for a specific fix usually.
I wonder how many people worked on WGA stuff in MS, I think - at least 20 people, coders, managers, engineers, each one earning at least $250K a year. The result of their work is neutralised by altering 3 (three) bytes in one .DLL file...
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Well, my computer is fine... Past what is normally wrong with it.
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My XP security update that has not installed after about a dozen attempts is KB919007, a security issue in Reliable Multicast Program that could result in denial of service.
Sounds ominous as most of them do. I'm trying not to sweat it since the upstairs computer won't install it, and apparently it is not a problem on the downstairs computer. Both are XPs.
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Originally posted by Meatwad
MS is making a mistake, but they are trying to take over the world one PC at a time so its no surprise to me.
They are the Cyberdyne of the PC's
Or does MS at some point in the future become Cyberdyne?
All they need a computer that is capable of reason as well as independent thought.