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Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: Ghastly on March 15, 2007, 10:57:13 AM
I'm starting to understand the AH players a little better.  

Smart flyers stack the odds in their favor, and then kill you when the risk to themselves is lowest ...
Smart flyers try to engineer the fight such that the advantages of their aircraft come into play even if it means delaying or avoiding some engagements ...
Smart flyers may not get as many kills per hour, but tend to get higher Kill/Death ratios ...
Smart flyers recognize that planning and patience are significant components to landing a successful fight...
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Duelists charge into the fray regardless of the odds, looking to see how long their aircraft handling and gunnery skills can avert death...
Duelists don't care greatly about deaths if they are having fun in the process ...
Duelists may get more kills per hour of play, but tend to have lower Kill/Death ratios ...
Duelists feel that the only skill is ACM and utilizing anything other than maneuvering and/or energy management to attain a shot in order to win an engagement is the mark of dweeb.

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This has always been true wherever I've flown, at least to some extent and mostly as a result of a certain amount of frustration when someone chooses to play the game differently than what another person considers to be in their favor given their own chosen style of play.  What's new to me with Aces High is the extent to which the sides seem to be polarized (at least on the forums) and the vitriolic disdain that each has for those who subscribe to the other view point.

And therfore, so that we can get this all out in the open once and for all and sort out exactly who does and does not have stars upon thars, I ask ....

Which are you?  Are you a Cherry Picker, or Squirming Weasel?
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: croduh on March 15, 2007, 11:04:34 AM
Hell you pretty much described me as a duelist.
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Post by: quintv on March 15, 2007, 11:05:22 AM
I want to be a disciplined cherry picker.

I want to fly with the intention of landing, I want to have fear of death,,,,,,


But In the end since I don't give a flip about score or stats I end up just diving into the furball :D :D
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Post by: Denholm on March 15, 2007, 11:15:23 AM
Obviouslly a squirming weasel duelist. One other thing i enjoy is making the cherry pickers mad. And when they get mad, I kill them easily.:D
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: SkyRock on March 15, 2007, 11:16:55 AM
Quote
Originally posted by quintv
I want to be a disciplined cherry picker.

I want to fly with the intention of landing, I want to have fear of death,,,,,,


But In the end since I don't give a flip about score or stats I end up just diving into the furball :D :D

Cherry pickers are dweebs and fighters are cool!  Very easy to understand!:aok

Mark
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Post by: FX1 on March 15, 2007, 11:28:31 AM
Both!

Kills per Death + 1 6.45 87
Kills per Sortie 4.04 20
Kills per Hour of Flight 21.71 5
Kills Hit Percentage 12.88 89
Kill Points 19771.51 208

I just kill all the red guys.
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Post by: SlapShot on March 15, 2007, 11:41:36 AM
I'm Spartacus !!!
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Post by: crockett on March 15, 2007, 11:55:58 AM
Why can't you be a smart fighter?

I tend to find myself biting off more than I can chew most of the time.. lol I'll normally attack a group of enemy planes with out a second thought.

Then at times I'll pick my target carefully and go for a safe kill. It's just all up to the situation I find my self in.

Normally if I'm in a group I take the cherry pick stance but not from 5k above the others I just pick my targets carefully.

If I'm alone I'll go full bore right into a pack of enemy planes with out a second thought.

The only guys that really bug me, are the guys that drop in from high alt and then run back up to their little perch. That and guys that just run away in general.

I can deal with HO dweebs, I can deal with LA dweeb and I can deal with spit dweebs. I just can't stand people that run away insted of fighting.
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Post by: Guppy35 on March 15, 2007, 12:36:10 PM
Definately the squirming weasel type here :)

I think I must be scared of virtual heights cause I always end up in the middle of a pile on the deck seeing how long I can survive.
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Post by: Angry Samoan on March 15, 2007, 12:37:22 PM
Although your catagorys being very BIAS.


makes me a squirmy
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Post by: Bronk on March 15, 2007, 12:48:47 PM
I must fall somewhere in between.

I have flown to capped bases with alt and picked as they have tried to climb to me.

I have upped at capped bases and fought till I get shot down.

I will pick when necessary and will turn fight, also when necessary.

I would label myself as.... You're average AH flier.

Bronk
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Post by: 68ZooM on March 15, 2007, 12:56:05 PM
Quote
Originally posted by SlapShot
I'm Spartacus !!!


LMAO I'm glad you didnt say Alexander the Great :::::::::: mumbles under breath::::::::::::::: History proved him to be a Stool Pusher::::::::::::::::: lmao


I fall into neither i just die and have fun lmao
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Post by: Flame 2 the boy on March 15, 2007, 12:59:23 PM
Yeah i guess im pretty much a duelist by your standards  :aok
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Post by: Connery on March 15, 2007, 01:06:19 PM
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Originally posted by Bronk
I must fall somewhere in between.

I have flown to capped bases with alt and picked as they have tried to climb to me.

I have upped at capped bases and fought till I get shot down.

I will pick when necessary and will turn fight, also when necessary.

I would label myself as.... You're average AH flier.

Bronk


There's nothing average about you bronk
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Post by: quintv on March 15, 2007, 01:25:22 PM
Quote
Originally posted by 68ZooM
LMAO I'm glad you didnt say Alexander the Great :::::::::: mumbles under breath::::::::::::::: History proved him to be a Stool Pusher::::::::::::::::: lmao




They'd have to push your stool into a garbage bin after he kicked the **** out of you.

 :aok
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Post by: 68ZooM on March 15, 2007, 01:27:11 PM
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Originally posted by quintv
They'd have to push your stool into a garbage bin after he kicked the **** out of you.

 :aok


lol are ya sure its not lick the **** ??
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: quintv on March 15, 2007, 01:27:37 PM
Quote
Originally posted by 68ZooM
lol are ya sure its not lick the **** ??


Yes.
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Post by: MotorOil1 on March 15, 2007, 01:34:49 PM
I'd say I'm the smart but undisciplined tpye.  I'll break off an engagment if I see I'm getting sucked into the furball that you know you won't come out of.  

I like to fly above the crowd and draw up the poor victoms.  Generally I'll wait it out until the time is right to strike.  I find myself getting shot down when I don't have the patience to wait to for that ideal time.
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Post by: 68ZooM on March 15, 2007, 01:36:01 PM
Quote
Originally posted by quintv
Yes.


Well i guess you cant handle humor:rofl :rofl
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Post by: Ack-Ack on March 15, 2007, 01:40:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by 68ZooM
LMAO I'm glad you didnt say Alexander the Great :::::::::: mumbles under breath::::::::::::::: History proved him to be a Stool Pusher::::::::::::::::: lmao
B]


That was very common amongst the Greeks of that period.


ack-ack
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: 68ZooM on March 15, 2007, 01:43:19 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
That was very common amongst the Greeks of that period.


ack-ack


Agreed,The only time Women were involved was to have off-spring to carry on the bloodlines
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Post by: kj714 on March 15, 2007, 01:50:55 PM
I believe I be Squirming Cherry.

Sort of a Jethro from BHH style.
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: BaDkaRmA158Th on March 15, 2007, 01:55:44 PM
If i see a single fighter, i turn into them.
if i see a overwhelming number, i fall back untill i meet up with a few green,then i 180 and head directly into the fry.

My objective is to brake up the pack,and try to divert the attention, if i can i will also point my plane head long to the enemy field and "ping pong ball" at every fighter i can get into gun range,all while keeping my speed and nose pointed generaly at the enemy base.

Some pilots will chase for a bit, then turn away and return to the front lines.
MOST, just nose down and give it full wep tryin' to chase my 38'
in most cases i dislodge a heavy attack,lure them back to there own side, and maby get a few kills, or damage others long before they ever enter the range of front line combat. "thus forceing them to rtb from damage :P"

Im  a raider,and the only time i realy care about fighting is to SUPPORT a wingman, other than that,you can see me makeing suicide attacks on enemy fields all while flying right thru flocks of enemy fighters fully intent on geting to the front lines.

Nothing makes me smile like draging a flock of baddies to there own base and enabeling my men to have more numbers on the front.

Huzzah.
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: Ghosth on March 15, 2007, 02:00:23 PM
Some of both, leaning somewhat to squirming weasel.

But there is nothing so enjoyable to me as to start out with a disadvantage, and turn the tables on that cherry picker!
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Post by: Bucky73 on March 15, 2007, 02:02:15 PM
I guess it depends on my mood and whether or not i'm watching a hockey game (as i often do) while i play. Sometimes i just want to mix it up and other times i'll grab afk while watching the game and get alot of alt which usually ends up in me doing a pick here and there. I cannot ALWAYS "fly" cautiously as some do in here-treating their (virtual) life as if it were real. I've tried it a few times but it usually results in severe boredom for me. I find that i play MUCH better when i get worked up a bit so once in awhile i'll throw out some smack on 200 to get things going. :D  (I'm quit sure i'm not the only one either)

My biggest problem is that i seem to pick a target and i don't care if he's setting me up for 10 other to pick me off.......I MUST KILL HIM. Major target fixation:D

There is NOTHING more fun in this game then when you find a guy 1v1 similar alt (you don't know who it is) and you tangle with each other for a long time with both of you not able to get an advantage. When i get into a fight like that it's a little disappointing to lose but it's fun as hell either way.:aok

My 2 cents
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Post by: 4XTCH on March 15, 2007, 02:31:04 PM
Oh.... I Think that I am the Duelist/squirming weasel  type. I havent figured out how to be the great CP that some are.
I fly too many different types of aircraft to be "good" in any single one of them exclusively, and I find myself in more situations that make my pits sweat than those that make my brain yawn.

4XTCH: Oh.. theres a spit down there.. I'm rolling in
 
4XTCH: Opps.. more than just just one... I gotta bug out..

LippyCH: ZOMG 4X you've got 5 trailing yea... (Laughing histerically)..watch it, you got an LA7, Yak and a tiffie closing in!

4XTCH: Oh yea...I know.. I see em... dont worry bout me.. I'll be dead soon



4XTCH
Title: Re: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: Oldman731 on March 15, 2007, 03:00:01 PM
Quote
Originally posted by Ghastly
Duelists charge into the fray regardless of the odds, looking to see how long their aircraft handling and gunnery skills can avert death...
Duelists don't care greatly about deaths if they are having fun in the process ...
Duelists may get more kills per hour of play, but tend to have lower Kill/Death ratios ...
Duelists feel that the only skill is ACM and utilizing anything other than maneuvering and/or energy management to attain a shot in order to win an engagement is the mark of dweeb.

Kind of chilling that you have described it so well...

Yup, that's me.  And if I'm getting more kills per hour of play than a smart flyer (or a dumb flyer, for that matter), it's a surprise to everyone.

- oldman
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Post by: mars01 on March 15, 2007, 03:10:26 PM
Good break down,

safety dancer Vs adrenalin junky.

Weasle here.
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Post by: Flatbar on March 15, 2007, 03:38:19 PM
I learned my way of fighting from the old AirWarrior online lectures on SA, E management and equalization and pure ACM.

Whether that puts me in one of these pigeon holes that the OP has created is of no consequence to me.

According to my wife, I'm just 'playing computer'. I'll leave it at that.
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Post by: SuperDud on March 15, 2007, 03:58:35 PM
cherry picker
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Post by: quintv on March 15, 2007, 04:00:16 PM
I'm curious : For those who consider yourself cherry pickers (which I dont think is a bad thing btw, just a different style of play), what are your rides of choice?
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Post by: SuperDud on March 15, 2007, 04:02:53 PM
190, 109, typh, P51. Anything fast.
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Post by: airspro on March 15, 2007, 04:41:01 PM
KI84 , fast and climbs well enough to stay out of harms way most times . The big plus for me is , it's also good enough turn fighter to dogfight in when the mob thins out or you drag one out to the side of the pack .

I like to dogfight but not in a big furballs as I can't keep my SA good enough to live very long .
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Post by: SkyRock on March 15, 2007, 04:58:14 PM
Quote
Originally posted by quintv
I'm curious : For those who consider yourself cherry pickers (which I dont think is a bad thing btw, just a different style of play), what are your rides of choice?
anything that can outrun planes long enough to get back to friendlies and safety!  

This is how I see the "different styles of play."  

Most of the time cherry picking is directly related to who has learned enough not to be scared to fight, or those that are gaming the community for score.  I must also include the legitimate "re enactor type" who is trying to play this game as he would if he were back in WWII and trying to survive every mission with wingies intact.  Generally, it is the previously mentioned.

While duelers its either those that know or those that want to know how to own folks!

 I think back when I mainly cherried for score and I got a real adrenalin rush from seeming to "get away".  Then I got called out on it, started furballing from that day forward, and have come to realise that the rush from actually knowing how to "own" someone is much greater to me, than that which I had as a "get away" type!   Fun is getting caught on the deck with three fellas trying to kill you and coming out with three more scalps for the mantle!:aok


Mark
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Post by: megadud on March 15, 2007, 05:00:40 PM
if my calculations are correct i am the best player ever and i invented the internet. :confused:
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Post by: Bronk on March 15, 2007, 05:04:10 PM
Al??????? That you?

Bronk
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Post by: Blooz on March 15, 2007, 05:09:32 PM
Cherry Picker Deluxe

Trying to fight and not die is more exciting.

Any monkey can drive into a furball, guns a blazing and get a couple kills before he gets wacked.
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Post by: wstpt10 on March 15, 2007, 05:31:28 PM
Duelist.

Furballs are, far and away, the most I have in game. The bigger they are, the better. The best, in my opinion, are the CV v. AF furballs. Those things are freakin' massive.
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Post by: E25280 on March 15, 2007, 05:34:33 PM
No love for the ground-pounding vulch busters.:cry
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Post by: RedTop on March 15, 2007, 05:46:36 PM
No idea and don't give 2 cents where I fall. I play to have fun and fly any given way I choose to whenever I want. I'll change it in mid play time if I choose to as well.
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Post by: pluck on March 15, 2007, 06:05:49 PM
i'm too scared to up a plane, what if someone shoots me?  If you ask me, there are no smart flyers in AH.  If they were smart they would not even bother to risk their virtual life......why do you ask?  because if they were smart, they would realize that flying a perfectly good cartoon plane, into a fake war in a fake land, with a fake country, is all risk and no reward.  Also, the rooks have yet to pay me my fee's for flying for them so actually it is costing me money.  So the smartest flyer in AH is the one who keeps the plane in the hangar, talks smack on 200, then comes to the BBS to tell us how good they are:aok

So i guess the question is, who is smarter?  the guy trying to survive in a fake war, with a virtual aircraft, flying for a fake country?  the who has no intention of suriving in is virtual aircraft, in a fake war they don't believe in, or the face country they have no loyalty to? Or maybe the guy who just logs on to have some fun?

also would vulcher only qualify as a smart flyer, no risk and potential for very good reward?
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Post by: FiLtH on March 15, 2007, 07:21:06 PM
Smart one?  Flying many extra hours a campaign just looking for a pick?
 
  Smart one? Never getting in over your head and the triumph of getting out alive?

  I remember no missions I went out with the intent to simply pick. However I remember a couple missions as far back as AW where I was a "squirming weasel".

  I see it more like this.

(http://FilthsHangar.homestead.com/lion_chase2.jpg)
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Post by: Booz on March 15, 2007, 10:54:06 PM
Quote
Originally posted by quintv
I'm curious : For those who consider yourself cherry pickers (which I dont think is a bad thing btw, just a different style of play), what are your rides of choice?


  P-47D, F4U and I'm looking for the 2 kill passes, of course I get low with the circle jerks too.
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Post by: MOIL on March 15, 2007, 11:26:48 PM
I have the roast duck with mango salsa:aok
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Post by: Tumor on March 15, 2007, 11:36:56 PM
Cherry Weasel!

Tumor
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Post by: Ghastly on March 15, 2007, 11:39:22 PM
Actually, I couldn't think of something else besides "smart flyers" at the time I wrote it - which sounds like praise but was mostly meant to differentiate the flying style.  

In retrospect, I wish I'd written "Survivalist".

And yes, the vulcher is the ultimate cherry picker (except for the darn GV's !)  :p

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Post by: SAS_KID on March 16, 2007, 12:06:30 AM
NAME:SASKID check 6

SASKID:I see him don't worry

NAME: SASKID check 6

SASKID:I see him don't worry...

NAME: SASKID check 6

SASKID: Dude i'm on his 6...

NAME: IM COMING SASKID HOLD ON!

SASKID: Dude its ok 1 more turn and hes within my sights...

NAME: IM COMING I GOT THE SHOT OH YEA GOT HIM YOU OWE ME ONE SASKID!

SASKID:I should slap you...
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Post by: BaldEagl on March 16, 2007, 12:29:18 AM
So does Dualist mean you guys go both ways?

Seriously, I fly almost anything and everything and rarely fly the same plane 2 sorties in a row so my plane selection to some degree determines which I am for that sortie, but, overall, I'd say I start each sortie as a cherry picker and digress to a screaming weasel.

I generally come in with alt and try to maintain it as long as I can, carefully selecting fights, but eventually I'm drawn into the red muck like a moth to a bug zapper except I'm usully the only moth.  I guess in the end the bug zapper is more enticing than the cherry blossoms.
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Post by: PuckIt on March 16, 2007, 12:59:24 AM
I Yam What I Yam!

I'm Srong To DA Finish 'CAUSE I EATS ME SPINICH!


(http://www.localarcade.com/arcade_art/data/thumbnails/2/popeye.jpg)

 ;)
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Post by: VWE on March 16, 2007, 01:05:51 AM
Quote
I'm Spartacus !!!


Well, I'm BATMAN!!!
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Post by: DarkS1ar on March 16, 2007, 02:08:34 AM
I try to be a Cherry Picker but then my squadies keeping flying me into a sea of red cons.
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Post by: Lusche on March 16, 2007, 05:12:36 AM
I set myself a mission, chose the appropriate ride, plan it, try to accomplish it and get home alive.
But sometimes in base defence the appropriate ride is a TnB plane.
So I would say: 80% "smart", "cherrypicker",  "safety flyer" or however you like to call it.

(If picking, my plane of choice are Tempest, P51B, 109D9)
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Post by: Flatbar on March 16, 2007, 10:01:10 AM
Quote
Originally posted by SAS_KID
NAME:SASKID check 6

SASKID:I see him don't worry

NAME: SASKID check 6

SASKID:I see him don't worry...

NAME: SASKID check 6

SASKID: Dude i'm on his 6...

NAME: IM COMING SASKID HOLD ON!

SASKID: Dude its ok 1 more turn and hes within my sights...

NAME: IM COMING I GOT THE SHOT OH YEA GOT HIM YOU OWE ME ONE SASKID!

SASKID:I should slap you...



Got caught playing with your food again I see. :lol
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Post by: rodak on March 16, 2007, 10:05:39 AM
I've been leaning toward the fear of death thing to try and add some realism to the game but if it gets boring I dive into the furball as long as my computer doesn't slow to a slideshow from too many guys being in one spot.  I have also found the game to be real fun with 200 turned off as I got tired of hearing the living dead crying about how I killed em the wrong way....  Don't care what the hell they think anyway............:)
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Post by: rodak on March 16, 2007, 10:08:03 AM
oh... I guess that makes me a cherry pickin squirmin weasel that doesn't listen...............:aok
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Post by: kj714 on March 16, 2007, 11:29:35 AM
Quote
Originally posted by megadud
if my calculations are correct i am the best player ever and i invented the internet. :confused:


Can I get your opinions on Global Warming?
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Post by: DREDIOCK on March 16, 2007, 11:33:15 AM
both, Depending on my mood
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Post by: mtnman on March 16, 2007, 12:58:03 PM
I don't think I really fit into either description, but rather both.  

I fly the corsair because it has been my favorite plane since childhood.  When I first started this game, I sucked in it, and I attributed that to the plane (it obviously couldn't have been my skill).  Now I see that it is likely the best plane in the game.  I still fly it because it is the "coolest" by far.  The German planes are ugly, as are most of the British planes.  The spit is alright I guess, but doesn't hold a candle to the Hog.  I don't want to fly ugly planes.

I always try to win the fights I'm in.  I always try to keep the other guy from shooting me down.  That more or less means that returning to base and landing kills is the logical outcome.  If I die, it means I failed in my basic goal, which is to win.  How many people play this game with a goal of getting beat?  Saying I don't care if I win or lose, at least in my eyes, is a lie or an excuse.  

I try to maximize the best features of my plane, while forcing my opponent to fly in ways he is not utilizing his plane to its fullest.  If he is a better turner, I will probably start out with some speed, since he'll want to turn 'n burn.  For him to complain about my greater speed advantage (whether I use it to extend, BnZ, E-fight, or whatever...) is as idiotic as it would be if I complained because he turns tighter corners than me.  For a low TnB plane to complain about getting zoomed is as dumb as the BnZ plane complaining because the TnB plane turned out of his gun solution.

It takes two to pick.  A picker, and a pickee.  All the pickee needs to do is look back once in a while, and dodge.  Some of my easiest kills are higher cons thinking I will be an easy pick.  Also, some of my most rewarding kills start out with me low and slow verses a high con.  I look at a picker as someone who doesn't know he's in trouble yet.  SA will defeat the picker.  An error in SA may get you killed minutes later.  I've been picked countless times.  It was always my fault.

My sorties start with a 9-12k climb headed towards a fight.  My flight will generally start with some higher alt E-fights, and progress lower and slower, into some on the deck turn fights.  I then extend out and climb again to repeat.  If I see some easy picks, I'll take 'em.  I have a regular job that pays well, but if I see a $20 on the floor I'll still pick it up.  Killing bombers fits into my description of picking.

I prefer fighting at the 6-12k heights.  In my opinion, those fights are more interesting than rollin' around in the dirt.  More variety of speeds, more 3-dimensionality, and more opportunity to fly "smarter" than your opponent.  Everybody who starts playing this game has a concept of the TnB fighting.  Some never progress beyond it.  I see E-fighting as a higher form of fighting, requiring more thought or "smarts".  Using your brain to beat an advantaged "better" plane, or "better" opponent, is really the ultimate win, at least IMO.

MtnMan
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Post by: 68ZooM on March 16, 2007, 01:43:46 PM
Quote
Originally posted by megadud
if my calculations are correct i am the best player ever and i invented the internet. :confused:


Al Gore is that you?:rofl :rofl
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: FiLtH on March 16, 2007, 02:19:30 PM
You have to remember that alot of guys in a furball are all using the energy management,SA, and ACM that other types of players use, all at the same time, but at a faster pace, and more demanding reflex time.  

   I don't like to furball all the time, just for that reason. I often am too tired to put the energy into furballing. Often I up a F4u and go out and try to pick at stuff, but it usually ends up down low anyways. I just don't have the patience to go out every flight and to be careful. I'd say 80% of the time Im furballin, 20% other.
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: BaldEagl on March 16, 2007, 02:56:58 PM
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Originally posted by FiLtH
You have to remember that alot of guys in a furball are all using the energy management,SA, and ACM that other types of players use, all at the same time, but at a faster pace, and more demanding reflex time.  

   I don't like to furball all the time, just for that reason. I often am too tired to put the energy into furballing.


Great point FiLtH.  That's been one of my gripes with the small maps.  Often the only choice to get into a fight is furballing against one country or the other.  After awhile it gets, as one of my squaddies put it, "mind numbingly boring".  I think it's not so much that it's boring but tiring (at least at my age).

Then I become one of those tower guys impacting the ENY while I take a short break to refresh before going back at it.
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: Dead Man Flying on March 16, 2007, 03:36:02 PM
I'm a cherry picker.  Always have been, always will be.

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: Masherbrum on March 16, 2007, 04:40:18 PM
Anytime I mention I'm "good at anything AH related", I'm told that I have ego.
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: shooter1cac on March 16, 2007, 07:57:34 PM
Hmmm...guess I'm a duelist.

Example from last week:
I'm low and slow in a 38G. 5 bad guys coming..I have plenty of time to escape.
So of course I go straight for them..and I hear this on range:

Twinboom: Shooter you see those guys coming.

Me: Yep.

Twinboom: Jesus Shooter...what are you thinking?

Me: *BOOM*

Me: hehe that was fun.
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: pluck on March 16, 2007, 07:59:32 PM
i find it hard to make the case that picking planes is more exciting than furballing.  that is not to say some people would not enjoy that form of gameplay just saying i fail to see how spending a day picking only would be more exciting, or less mind numbing.  maybe more relaxing, i could buy that one, or maybe more time to chat.
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: hubsonfire on March 16, 2007, 08:11:05 PM
I think I'm a bit of both, but I'm much more at ease in a chaotic fight on the deck than I am trying to stay high and fast and out of trouble.
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: Rollins on March 16, 2007, 09:00:03 PM
Guess I'm a Gemini, 'cause I'm either one on any given day.

BTW, 2 pages of replies, a Spartacus, a Batman, and no one got to the "I'm Spiderman mothaf****"  kid?  That screenie still cracks me up, someone bump it if they find it.
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: hubsonfire on March 16, 2007, 09:35:52 PM
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Originally posted by EndofSilence
That screenie still cracks me up, someone bump it if they find it.


HELLZ YEA
IM SPIDERMAN MOTHAF******

(http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/481/fernsehfolgenyq9.png)

 :)
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: B@tfinkV on March 17, 2007, 11:32:44 AM
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Originally posted by SAS_KID
NAME:SASKID check 6

SASKID:I see him don't worry

NAME: SASKID check 6

SASKID:I see him don't worry...

NAME: SASKID check 6

SASKID: Dude i'm on his 6...

NAME: IM COMING SASKID HOLD ON!

SASKID: Dude its ok 1 more turn and hes within my sights...

NAME: IM COMING I GOT THE SHOT OH YEA GOT HIM YOU OWE ME ONE SASKID!

SASKID:I should slap you...


:rofl
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: Rollins on March 17, 2007, 10:20:58 PM
Thxs hub.  Man that never gets old-I thunk i c sum nazis:rofl
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: Saxman on March 17, 2007, 10:40:27 PM
I fly my plane against whatever opposition I run into.
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: kvuo75 on March 18, 2007, 03:08:03 AM
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Originally posted by EndofSilence
Thxs hub.  Man that never gets old-I thunk i c sum nazis:rofl


i particularly like "yuo british studmuffintard"
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: nirvana on March 18, 2007, 03:17:02 AM
The conversation for me is about the same as for 4XTCH.  And he is usually one killing me.
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: x0847Marine on March 18, 2007, 02:35:43 PM
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Originally posted by RedTop
No idea and don't give 2 cents where I fall. I play to have fun and fly any given way I choose to whenever I want. I'll change it in mid play time if I choose to as well.


Word.
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: bj229r on March 18, 2007, 02:53:43 PM
Not sure where I fit in--my goal first and foremost is ALWAYS to live--trading a sure death for 5-10 kills isn't a swap I'd  care to make. Being a jug driver, ya pretty much HAVE to come in with alt, as every LA7, Yak and K4 above me will hunt me down like a dog...now that starts to sound like cherry picker, as I'm prolly above 90% of the fight now....hmm...although, when I DO die, it's usually in a 10 player scrum on the deck:confused:...ok..I'm a semi-skilled hapless dweeb:aok
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: -SR- on March 18, 2007, 05:28:52 PM
I'm a squirming weasel cherry picker.


-SR-:noid
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: DocRoe on March 18, 2007, 06:22:46 PM
im a duelist  " BABY " ( hehe i love  dick vitale and march madness :) )

hell, bring it on i dont care about my score, lol ill go rambo on yo *** lol
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: dtango on March 19, 2007, 12:58:41 PM
To be honest I find the idea of categorizing flying styles both ambiguous and limiting.

Why is it ambiguous?
What "duelist" isn't "trying to engineer the fight such that the advantages of their aircraft come into play"?   What "smart flyer" isn't "utilizing anything other than maneuvering and/or energy management to attain a shot in order to win an engagement"?  

The same goes for comparing supposed angles vs. energy styles of fighting, or the dreaded furballer vs. strategist debate.  These are all generalizations that only really apply to those who belong in the extremes.

IMHO the only real difference between the categories in this thread is the level of risk a player is willing to take, some more than others.

How is it limiting?
The danger of categorizations like these are that folks might actually believe that they are real.  Take the idea of angles vs. energy styles of fighting.  There ain't no such thing (in my best southern drawl).  There are angles tactics and energy tactics, but there isn't an angles style vs. energy style.  The style becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy and before they know it people paint themselves into a corner.  We see it all the time.  That's when people believe that they can't maneuver fight using a Mustang or energy fight using a Spitfire VIII.  They've grouped themselves into a certain style and limited themselves from employing tactics that don’t fit that style.

My $.02

Tango, XO
412th FS Braunco Mustangs
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: 1ijac on March 19, 2007, 04:30:28 PM
I like doing both.  At times, I even HO, vulch, spawn camp and bomb a GV when no one is looking.        

:confused:

They all bring me pleasure.  Unless there are just 2 planes involved, someone is gonna cherry somebody.  I say adapt to the situation and take whatever comes your way.
Title: Which are you? Cherry Picker or Squirming Weasel?
Post by: Xargos on March 19, 2007, 05:22:23 PM
Ever since I joined the Muppets I find myself trying to fly my Konrad like a Niki.  I always end up with five cons above me and three on my six. :(  

But I must say that I'm having much more fun now then I ever did before.:D