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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Toad on March 15, 2007, 07:31:24 PM
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Nearly two-thirds of those online respondents who detected bias in the media (64%) said the media leans left, while slightly more than a quarter of respondents (28%) said they see a conservative bias on their TV sets and in their column inches.
Zogby Poll: Voters Believe Media Bias is Very Real (http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1262)
This issue has been debated here in the OC now and again.
Here's the meaty part:
While 97% of Republicans surveyed said the media are liberal, two-thirds of political independents feel the same, but fewer than one in four independents (23%) said they saw a conservative bias. Democrats, while much more likely to perceive a conservative bias than other groups, were not nearly as sure the media was against them as were the Republicans. While Republicans were unified in their perception of a left-wing media, just two-thirds of Democrats were certain the media skewed right – and 17% said the bias favored the left.
The Zogby Interactive survey of 1,757 likely voters nationwide was conducted Feb. 20-26, 2007, and has a margin of error of +/- 2.4 percentage points
So just about all the Reps think the media skews left, ~66% of the Dems say it skews right BUT 17% of the Dems say it skews left.
I admit I personally think it skews left. I doubt this poll will change any opinions. The surprising part for me was the 17% of Dems being honest. .
:)
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Originally posted by Toad
The surprising part for me was the 17% of Dems being honest. .
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The surprising part should be that 17% of the democrats were smart enough to understand what "bias" meant. :rofl
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Oh, they know that bias means you don't agree with them . ;)
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Originally posted by Toad
The surprising part for me was the 17% of Dems being honest. .
:)
some of them are probably not true democrats. I am a registered Democrat since 1978, I voted Reagan, Bush, Perot, Dole, and Bush. local elections Mostly republicans, couple of independents and couple of democrats. Because I was voting absentee I would call home and talk to my mom and dad to get there opinions on the locals like JP and constables and vote for whatever they wanted, didnt effect me any I didnt live there. I'm just to lazy to go the county and fix my party registration besides I like to think I screw up their numbers...
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It tells me nothing to know whether Democrats or Republicans perceive a media bias. Its no surprise to me that Republicans are unified in their thinking, and that there is a wide range of opinion among Democrats. I think that situation is true no matter what the question.
I'd rather have more information on what the independents percieve.
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Let me help you with that then, with a repeat from the very first post.
While 97% of Republicans surveyed said the media are liberal, two-thirds of political independents feel the same, but fewer than one in four independents (23%) said they saw a conservative bias.
That would be 66% of independents think the media are liberal and less than 25% see a conservative bias.
You must have missed that I guess.
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All one has to do is watch half an hour of CNN then half an hour of Fox and the bias jumps out like a bolt of lightening. In this age one has to think clearly detached from the rhetoric.
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Originally posted by Toad
Let me help you with that then, with a repeat from the very first post.
That would be 66% of independents think the media are liberal and less than 25% see a conservative bias.
You must have missed that I guess.
Come on Toad, it doesn't pass the agenda filter ;)
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Apparently it didn't pass the read for content filter!
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Conservatism preys on the unedcated.
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Originally posted by namvet
Politics preys on the unedcated and takes advantage of the ignorant.
:aok I fixed it for ya
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LOL Airscrew
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How do you quantify "skew"?
Not being a smartarse, but how far in % does a news outlet skew from the "truth"?
I think it would be very interesting if we had #'s from a Clinton era polling or a future Democrat president's term. The flavor of the news could change depending who's in control of Congress and/or the Executive branch.
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Originally posted by Airscrew
:aok I fixed it for ya
:aok
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I remember reading "Breach of Faith" back in about 1974 and it talked about the efforts by Nixon, Agnew and company to preach the notion of the left wing media elite. They were less successful then the crowd today.
And I'll give the rep machine credit for using it well to muffle anything that doesn't fit thier agenda.
It's all part of the game and the Reps are far better infighters then the Dems.
Scream 'Liberal agenda" and anything said is immediately nullified.
The Dem effort in return is to point to FOX news etc as the Rep agenda mouth piece.
It does imply that folks are too dumb to think for themselves however which is too bad.
We'll tell you where to read, what to watch and where the 'truth' is, as long as it fits our agenda.
The problem is, I don't believe either side gives a damn about most of us. They see it as a game of manipulating opinion for their own ends, not the welfare of the people they are supposed to represent.
Ed Murrow in his 1958 speech in Chicago had it right when he expressed his concerns about marketing, ratings, money dictating the news, not the story itself.
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The problem is, I don't believe either side gives a damn about most of us. They see it as a game of manipulating opinion for their own ends, not the welfare of the people they are supposed to represent.
There is so much truth to that. Sad thing is it applies to both Republicans and Democrats and I wouldn't be surprised a bit if even the Independents are like that.
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Originally posted by namvet
Conservatism preys on the unedcated.
With its long, sharp teeth... and its treachoursly convincing dyslexic aberrations.
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I imagine that if you're inclined to believe that an industry almost entirely owned and controlled by corporate-capitalist interests has a truly left-wing agenda then argumentum ad populum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum) is probably the best you'll ever do in terms of evidence.
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Originally posted by Toad
Let me help you with that then, with a repeat from the very first post.
That would be 66% of independents think the media are liberal and less than 25% see a conservative bias.
You must have missed that I guess.
No, Toad, thanks. I did see that. But I'd be intersted to know more about how independents responded to the poll questions. Usually these polls have more than one question, and often the pollsters go into quite a bit of detail in summarizing the results.
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LOL
How can they present anything but left/liberal view when they have historically voted democrat?
Thank goodness for Fox news as their conservative view point throw a very small counter balance to the entire mess.
Anyone who cannot see the liberal slant in the general media in the both spoken and printed word is very naive.
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Originally posted by oboe
But I'd be intersted to know more about how independents responded to the poll questions.
I think you can sign up/pay at Zogby for access to that information if you are interested in more than a summary.
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Originally posted by namvet
Conservatism preys on the unedcated.
OMG! Conservatives are dining on Liberals!
:)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
The problem is, I don't believe either side gives a damn about most of us. They see it as a game of manipulating opinion for their own ends, not the welfare of the people they are supposed to represent.
Ed Murrow in his 1958 speech in Chicago had it right when he expressed his concerns about marketing, ratings, money dictating the news, not the story itself.
That is the crux of it.
News now is about the Smith chick or that Britney cut her hair. Or cutting to a commercial.
Damn news outlets are going to run E! entertainment out of business. :t
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If you can listen to NPR radio or cnn and not see the liberal bias in an hour... then you are not very bright or dishonest or both.
lazs
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Guppy Ed Murrow was far ahead of his time. I actually liked to watch the News to be informed.......35 to 40 years ago. Now it appears ...well not appears it's highly apparent they now sell the News. Most talking heads today seem to do one of two things, talk down to the viewing public or lean so far to one side they almost slip from the TV screen.
I liked the News much better when "Goodnight Chet.....Goodnight Dave" and goodnight from NBC News were the closing words from NBC News.
Another quote from a famous 50s' and 60s' TV series describes how I like the News. "Just the facts M'am just the facts."
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They must have polled people in kansas and or other flyover country states.
"der homelandt"
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imagine that if you're inclined to believe that an industry almost entirely owned and controlled by corporate-capitalist interests has a truly left-wing agenda then argumentum ad populum is probably the best you'll ever do in terms of evidence.
and what assumptions are you making? are we supposed to believe that they are scientific ones?
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Originally posted by lazs2
If you can listen to NPR radio or cnn and not see the liberal bias in an hour... then you are not very bright or dishonest or both.
lazs
I dont think you need an hour, maybe 10 or 15 minutes, depends how many commericals they run..
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In a quick sentence;
The biggest difference from the News today from what we had historically is now the News has to sell their product to the masses.
Think about it... in the old days, we had few channels and often they all had the same programming (more so when the President was speaking), now I can always throw in a DVD, listen to my I-Pod, or play AH. Heck, if I wanted to I could not listen to ANY news of any kind for the rest of my life (as things are now) and it wouldn't affect me.
Fortunately, I do listen to the news and I have to several different agencies to really have any clue what is going on because each one is pushing an agenda or an opinion.
(edit: seems as though Hajo and I have the same opinion about the news having to be sold to the masses)
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Originally posted by Gunthr
and what assumptions are you making? are we supposed to believe that they are scientific ones?
No assumptions are required to conclude that just because a lot of people believe something doesn't necessarily make it true.
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Originally posted by moot
With its long, sharp teeth... and its treachoursly convincing dyslexic aberrations.
pwnt :cry
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No assumptions are required to conclude that just because a lot of people believe something doesn't necessarily make it true.
Based on your assertion that the media is almost wholly owned and controled by corporate and capitalist interests, you seem to be making the assumption that the media therefore cannot have a leftist agenda. or at least, those who believe the media does have a leftward bias, will find no evidence to support that belief. Am I correct?
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Originally posted by Gunthr
Based on your assertion that the media is almost wholly owned and controled by corporate and capitalist interests
Not an assertion at all, just an easily verifiable statement of a fact.
You seem to be making the assumption that the media therefore cannot have a leftist agenda, or at least, those who believe the media does have a leftward bias, will find no evidence to support that belief. Am I correct?
It's not for me to prove a negative. It is alleged here that the US media displays or indeed promotes a certain institutional bias. Why would a capitalist owned industry (the media) hold or indeed promote a position that might be considered inimical to it's own best interests? So far the only evidence brought forward (here) to support this idea is an opinion poll - hence my earlier highlighting of the argumentum ad populum fallacy.
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Originally posted by Momus--
No assumptions are required to conclude that just because a lot of people believe something doesn't necessarily make it true.
The perfect example is the man made global warming scare mongering.
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Here's another argumentum ad populum fallacy.
Most people, observing that a bird looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck will believe it probably is a duck even though they have no scientific evidence, just appearances processed through their own sensory organs.
If you polled them, most would say "it's a duck".
:)
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I would agree that a majority of the the media has a liberal bent, I guess that is why it is a good idea to read between the lines.
Thank god for Fox news, they are fair and balanced, no need to question what they say, just accept and repeat.
shamus
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That's a poultry argument if I've ever seen one Toad.
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Originally posted by Momus--
That's a poultry argument if I've ever seen one Toad.
well arent most political discussions fowl anyway?
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Many of those arguing espouse bird-brained logic and ideas.
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Originally posted by Toad
Many of those arguing espouse bird-brained logic and ideas.
well birds of a feather, flock together
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get the iron sights on the liberal media bias, as iraq will soon need a fall guy.
but hey, what the free market will bear eh...
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Originally posted by Torque
get the iron sights on the liberal media bias, as iraq will soon need a fall guy.
that fall 'guy' showed up last Nov.
(http://img.slate.com/media/1/123125/123054/2133621/2141007/060508_Pol_PelosiTN.jpg)
not really a fall guy more like the cause of our defeat if/when they pull the $$ plug
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Del...yes we do agree. I remember News casts (nationally) got ratings on the believabilty of their Reporters and Anchormen. Cronkite, Huntley & Brinkley etc. CBS had a ton of reporters who were Jouarnalists and held in high esteem. So did NBC at that time. Viewing was based on trust, not in what you wanted to hear. They reported the News.....that's all. It was up to the weekend news shows to present views of the News from different perspectives. Also Sunday Newspapers did the same with various points of view by Editors and syndicated columnists from various news agencies.
Now it appears (sadly) that most of the news comes from the internet or from TV. Unfortunately Cable News is slanted. It slants to what seems to be popular. Even the New York Times imho has become jaded in that respect. One of the most trusted sources of news in years past (The New York Times) has chosen to jump on the bandwagon with Cable and Network News. Let's sell this! Let's not report...let's influence! Let's try and get the Public to see things our way! If we get good at it we know we can tell people what they want to hear!
Good night Chet........Good night Dave
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the media has always been wrong/biased/maniuplating public opinion.
Cronkite told the american people that the viet cong won the Tet offensive when the truth was they suffered their biggest defeat of the war.
the news paper publishers Hurst and Pulitzer turned public opinion in favor of a war with spain (spanish american war) so they could sell more papers.